IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 28 June 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:16 | <vagrantc> tagged ldm 2.2.11
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| 02:32 | <highvoltage> hi vagrantc!
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| 02:33 | vagrantc: holger sponsored my upload
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| 02:33 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: cool! see you've already got a new bug! :)
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| 02:33 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: I was wondering, shouldn't ldm-themes be installed by default so that people get the Joy theme?
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| 02:33 | vagrantc: oh? I've missed that somehow (oops)
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| 02:34 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: i was thinking about that earlier today
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| 02:34 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: ah, I see it
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| 02:34 | vagrantc: I'll have that fixed tomorrow
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| 02:34 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: i don't want to make it a recommends on ltsp-client- that just seems too strong a relationship ... i guess it could be installed as part of ltsp-build-client
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| 02:35 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: *nod* yes it's nice to have it optional
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| 02:35 | <vagrantc> recommends is optional, but kind of annoying
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| 02:35 | <highvoltage> ah I see what you mean
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| 02:36 | so do you mean ltsp-build-client would install it by default, or that a user would specify it with extra-packages?
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| 02:36 | <vagrantc> currently, a user would have to manually install it ...
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| 02:37 | which makes it practically invisible.
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| 02:38 | it adds 36MB to the install size of the chroot (which would probably compress pretty well witth squashfs)
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| 02:39 | <vagrantc> oh, it's that stupid murrine-themes recommends.
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| 02:40 | yeah, it'd be tiny without murrine-themes
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| 02:40 | the difference between 1MB of extra install and 30MB...
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| 02:41 | highvoltage: so i guess that's holding me back ... if we could rewrite the theme to something with a smaller depends/recommends chain, i'd be more inclined to include it by default.
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| 02:42 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: should I drop the murrine-themes recommends? in ubuntu we usually don't install recommends by default in the chroot
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| 02:43 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: it's gtk2-engines-murrine that recommnds murrine-themes, and the maintainer refuses to consider the request to downgrade it
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| 02:43 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: ok, I remember the packager of murrine themes was a bit reluctant before... but I think we can make a good case (he'll eventually get tired of us)
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| 02:43 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: it's gtk2-engines-murrine that recommnds murrine-themes, and the maintainer refuses to consider the request to downgrade it
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| 02:44 | i think it's completely backwards to have an engine recommend a particular theme
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| 02:44 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: did he give any kind of reason?
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| 02:44 | yes, indeed.
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| 02:45 | if it blocks the Joy theme from being default in Wheezy, can't it be marked an RC bug? :)
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| 02:46 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: see if you can find a reason: http://bugs.debian.org/623783
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| 02:49 | highvoltage: i tried to reopen the issue again, and the response was just irritated
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| 02:51 | highvoltage: ok, so ltsp-build-client could install the theme special-cased with --no-install-recommends
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| 02:51 | or find some other engine
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| 02:51 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: thanks, I'll reply to that bug sometime, do you know if corsac will be at debconf?
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| 02:51 | <vagrantc> it seems stupid to have to work around an inappropriate recommends.
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| 02:52 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: ah yeah indeed
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| 02:52 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: don't know
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| 02:52 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: or we could just have an ldm gtk theme?
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| 02:52 | <vagrantc> given the attitude, i'd rather find another engine
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| 02:52 | <highvoltage> *nod*
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| 02:55 | <vagrantc> ugh... we'd have to manually: apt-get install --no-install-recommends ldm-themes gtk2-engines-murrine
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| 02:56 | or do evil like Provides: murrine-themees
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| 02:56 | from ldm-themes
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| 02:59 | <highvoltage> yeah the --no-install-recommends does look less evil than the provides: hack.
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| 02:59 | but I guess if that becomes a necessary evil then I guess I'd explain it in some BUGS file or something
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| 03:00 | (sorry I'm really just babbling now)
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| 03:00 | <vagrantc> or do apt-get install --no-install-recommends ldm-themes (with Depends: gtk2-engines-murrine instead of a recommends)
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| 03:00 | <highvoltage> ah yes
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| 03:01 | <vagrantc> that but really, meh.
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| 03:01 | oops.
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| 03:01 | the "meh." was genuine, though.
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| 03:01 | <highvoltage> heh
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| 03:04 | * vagrantc mumbles something about gtk3 | |
| 03:21 | * highvoltage mumbles something too but it doesn't make any sense to anyone | |
| 03:43 | <highvoltage> goodnight, #ltsp :)
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| 03:44 | <vagrantc> night
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| 07:48 | <wiki9> alkisg: kalimera
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| 07:48 | <alkisg> Καλημέρα wiki9
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| 07:48 | wiki9: γράψε /j #linux.sch.gr για να πάμε σε ελληνικό κανάλι γιατί εδώ είναι αγγλικό
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| 07:48 | <wiki9> exeis xrono gia mia erotisi ?
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| 07:48 | <alkisg> /j #linux.sch.gr
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| 07:48 | Ναι αμέ... αλλά πάμε στο άλλο κανάλι πρώτα για να μην ενοχλούμε με τα ελληνικά
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| 09:28 | <Hyperbyte> oh noes
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| 09:28 | invasion!!!
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| 09:29 | Of all the people in the world it had to be the Greek...
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| 09:57 | <ball> I may have a go at configuring LTSP later today
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| 09:58 | ...or perhaps tomorrow. I will need to sleep at some point.
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| 09:58 | <Hyperbyte> mhmmm
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| 09:59 | <ball> I'm intrigued as to how xdcmp gets configured
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| 09:59 | I'll probably try it with the Xubuntu Alternate install disc
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| 09:59 | <alkisg> xdmcp is just a lightdm.conf line away
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| 10:00 | But it doesn't offer anything that ltsp doesn't
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| 10:01 | <ball> Wouldn't xdmcp be a component part of ltsp?
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| 10:01 | I didn't know lightdm could do xdcmp
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| 10:02 | <alkisg> xdmcp is insecure, the username/password are unencrypted
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| 10:02 | * ball nods | |
| 10:02 | <alkisg> LDM_DIRECTX=true offers the same speed as XDMCP, with username/pass encrypted over ssh, and with optional sound
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| 10:02 | So there's absolutely no reason to use XDMCP in an LTSP installation
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| 10:02 | * ball writes that down | |
| 10:03 | <alkisg> Although, I think there's a SCREEN_07=xdmcp screen script
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| 10:03 | So if one really needs that (maybe to connect to another, non ltsp server), it's still there
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| 10:52 | * ball will have to read up on these "screen scripts" | |
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| 11:03 | <ball> Oh well, I have to go.
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| 12:25 | <kingjs> Hi. I installed and configured a CentOS 5 server for hin clients. I can't find the LTSP package for CentOS. DHCP, TFTP, NFS and Firewall are configured. Need the LTSP Package for CentOS 5. Please hep.
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| 12:25 | Please Help
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| 12:27 | Hi. Anyone there at #ltsp channel
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| 12:27 | <knipwim> yes, but be patient
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| 12:27 | we're all volunteers
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| 12:27 | <kingjs> ok
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| 12:28 | I didn't see any activity. That's why i asked. I'll wait. Thanks :-)
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| 12:32 | <Hyperbyte> !fedora
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| 12:32 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: fedora: LTSP for Fedora is maintained by the K12Linux project. Currently support only goes as far as Fedora 12. An LTSP version for RedHat EL6 and possibly Fedora 14 is in development. https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/
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| 12:33 | <Hyperbyte> If there is an LTSP for CentOS 5, it's gonna be there.
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| 12:33 | But AFAIK, it's only available for CentOS 6.
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| 12:34 | <kingjs> i can't any packages at k12linux.
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| 12:34 | k12linux suggests to download the entire distribution
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| 12:35 | somoeone told me to download the ltsp iso from ltsp's website and install from it. can i really do that?
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| 12:35 | <Hyperbyte> Actually, it doesn't
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| 12:36 | <Hyperbyte> But understand that there's no "packages" for LTSP (technically there are, but in practice, that's not how LTSP works)
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| 12:36 | LTSP is included with certain distros.
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| 12:36 | Like Ubuntu, Debian, OpenSUSE, Gentoo...
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| 12:36 | <kingjs> Could you please direct me to a documentation page for some details.
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| 12:36 | <Hyperbyte> Fedora and RHEL used to have kickass support for LTSP, but recently it's not been much.
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| 12:38 | The previous maintainer for Fedora/RHEL (Warren Togami) has made an LTSP version compatible with Fedora 14 and CentOS/RHEL 6
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| 12:38 | <kingjs> any command line utilities for ltsp
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| 12:38 | <Hyperbyte> I did - https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/
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| 12:39 | <kingjs> where can i find the RHEL/CentOS 6 compatible LTSP
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| 12:39 | <Hyperbyte> Everything that's there, is everything there is on LTSP for CentOS.
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| 12:40 | LTSP for different distros is managed by different people. The main LTSP branch is tested by the developers mainly on Debian and Ubuntu. The other versions are not made by the LTSP developers. You'll find people in this channel know very little about them.
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| 12:40 | <kingjs> ok
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| 12:40 | should i download and install k12linux on the server?
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| 12:41 | <Hyperbyte> Warren Togami maintains K12Linux. I know they have a mailing list where you can ask questions, and I know there's some info on that site... I see an install guide
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| 12:41 | kingjs, K12Linux is not a distro. Have you even read that site?
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| 12:42 | https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/InstallGuide
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| 12:42 | <kingjs> I'll read the install guide.
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| 12:42 | That's what i'm unable to understand
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| 12:42 | <Hyperbyte> It seems to link to packages here: http://mplug.org/~k12linux/rpm/
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| 12:42 | <kingjs> i'll read more and patiently
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| 12:42 | <Hyperbyte> But those are only el6 packages. I very much doubt they will work on CentOS 5 at all.
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| 12:43 | Can I give you some useful advice?
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| 12:43 | <kingjs> Thanks for pointing me to a useful resource
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| 12:43 | I'll try k12linux on CentOS6
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| 12:43 | <Hyperbyte> Use Ubuntu for LTSP. It's much better supported. I'm actually a long-time RedHat/Fedora user... big fan of what they do...
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| 12:44 | <tol> hi guys, i have running ltsp-server (in development), but i cant connect to the server with a client? auth log says: sshd[2298]: Connection closed by 192.168.1.236 [preauth]! Any ideas?
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| 12:44 | <Hyperbyte> But the LTSP support for RedHat-based distros is at best, minimal.
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| 12:44 | <kingjs> I'll try k12linux on CentOS-6 and will provide updates
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| 12:45 | <Hyperbyte> tol, enable a root xterm in screen_02 in lts.conf (instructions below), and when there type 'ssh <user>@server' See what happens
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| 12:45 | !screen_02
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| 12:45 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
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| 12:45 | <tol> Hyperbyte: ok, i'll try
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| 12:46 | <kingjs> Thanks for the help Hyperbyte. :-D
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| 12:46 | <Hyperbyte> kingjs, I wish you luck. :)
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| 12:46 | <kingjs> Thanks
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| 12:47 | <Hyperbyte> tol, make sure you type 'ssh <user>@server' (only replace <user> with your username, leave the @server bit intact)
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| 12:47 | For example, ssh tol@server See what that does. You might also want to try
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| 12:47 | !update-sshkeys
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| 12:47 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: I do not know about 'update-sshkeys', but I do know about these similar topics: 'ltsp-update-sshkeys'
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| 12:47 | <Hyperbyte> !ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 12:47 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: ltsp-update-sshkeys: If you changed your server IP, you need to run ltsp-update-sshkeys, and if you're using NBD (Ubuntu) you also need ltsp-update-image afterwards
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| 12:54 | <tol> Hyperbyte: via ssh i can connect to the server. But when i boot the thinclient i get the graphical login and an authentication failure
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| 12:58 | <tol> 0,
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| 13:02 | <ychouchane> hello
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| 13:02 | i really want use ltps but it's not easy to configure iot
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| 13:02 | some one can help me please
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| 13:03 | my problem
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| 13:03 | i want use ltps with edubuntu
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| 13:04 | <Hyperbyte> !ask
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| 13:04 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 13:08 | <Hyperbyte> tol, did you try the ltsp-update-sshkeys?
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| 13:11 | <tol> Hyperbyte: yes, but unfortunately i have no time left for today :/ i'll come back tomorrow
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| 13:14 | <Hyperbyte> Sure. :)
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| 14:03 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I tested latest ltsp+ldm, all fine. https://code.launchpad.net/~vagrantc/ltsp/ltsp-debian-packaging is not syncing any more, it needs the new anonscm link, I mirrored it myself in https://code.launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/ltsp/ltsp-debian-packaging to get it through a recipe
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| 14:06 | <vagrantc> oh
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| 14:07 | <vagrantc> glad to hear it's working ok
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| 14:07 | <vagrantc> alkisg: epoptes working for you too?
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| 14:07 | <alkisg> vagrantc: yup
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| 14:50 | <alkisg> vagrantc: bzr mirrors are deprecated in favor of bzr imports, you can delete the old ones and generate new ones from https://code.launchpad.net/ltsp/+new-import
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| 14:51 | <vagrantc> whee.
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| 14:51 | <alkisg> New trends... :D
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| 14:51 | <vagrantc> import sounds like a one-time thing
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| 14:52 | <alkisg> Maybe "mirrors" == 1 branch, "imports"==support multiple branches? Dunno... but I trust the one that told me that in #launchpad
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| 14:52 | He even deleted the ubuntu wiki page about mirrors when I told him that it didn't work anymore
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| 14:52 | But it's not a one-time thing, no
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| 14:54 | https://code.launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/ltsp/ltsp-debian-packaging => The next import is scheduled to run in 4 hours. Last successful import was 1 hour ago.
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| 14:54 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 14:54 | it's not that i don't believe you :)
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| 14:54 | <alkisg> Maybe some Greek selected the word "Import" :P
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it won't let me create it until you delete yours
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| 15:03 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ah it might needs distinct names, let me rename mine...
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| 15:03 | vagrantc: how about now? (the ltsp one)
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| 15:04 | * alkisg renamed the ldm one too | |
| 15:07 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i used bzr.debian.org and it worked fine
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| 15:08 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I don't want mine once you have yours working, so I'll just delete them now
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| 15:08 | <vagrantc> although it hasn't been synced yet
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| 15:08 | <alkisg> Let me just update the recipes so that they're not deleted along with the branch...
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| 15:11 | Deleted the ltsp one, waiting for your new ldm branch for the recipe...
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> oh, i've got to do this for every branch. bah.
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| 18:37 | <jammcq> stgraber: ping
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| 18:38 | <stgraber> jammcq: pong
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| 18:39 | <jammcq> hey, I talked to Dave at the seawall
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| 18:40 | he can handle us on the first weekend of october
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| 18:40 | it would be hard to come earlier because their tourist season is still going
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| 18:40 | they get the "fall colors" at about that time
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| 18:41 | <stgraber> so that'd be 4-8th of October?
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| 18:41 | <jammcq> 4-7
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| 18:41 | some people would show up on the 3rd
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| 18:42 | he's penciled us in for that weekend
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| 18:42 | <stgraber> hmm, right, 4-7, can't read today apparently ;)
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| 18:42 | <jammcq> i'm just trying to get agreement from all the peeps involved
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| 18:43 | <stgraber> I'm fine with that as I really just need to take one day off to attend and I'll still be on this side of the ocean around that time
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| 18:43 | I think ogra_ said it wouldn't work for him, but later would be no better, so not sure we can do much there :(
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| 18:54 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 18:55 | my daughter is getting married sept 29 so I certainly can't do the last weekend in sept. and any earlier would be a problem for the motel
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| 19:52 | <highvoltage> stgraber: when's the UDS again?
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| 19:53 | (ah long after that, nm)
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