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| 07:32 | <semo163> hello there . Cannot find out why thin clients freeze about 2 hours after startup. Ubuntu 14.04 ltsp x64 ltsp5 pnp server and clients
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| 07:33 | nbd server client version is 3.7
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| 07:37 | <alkisg> semo163: are they freezing only inside the user session or also when they're in ldm?
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| 07:37 | <semo163> It doesn't matter if some one is doing something or not. Client just freezes. Only hard reset button helps
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| 07:37 | I use auto login in lts.conf
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| 07:39 | after restart of diskless client in gets nbd root and starts session after autologin
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| 07:39 | user may use firefox as ltsp-localapps firefox or just libreoffice it doesnt matter wat hi uses
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| 07:40 | on server i installed lubuntu environment
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| 07:42 | already tried to change net.ipv4.tcp_keepalive_probes=50 as was suggested
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| 07:42 | <alkisg> Try without logging in
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| 07:42 | <semo163> ok
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| 07:42 | <alkisg> This will minimize the issue to only nbd + networking issues, not to ssh timeouts etc
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| 07:43 | I have clients here with 14.04 that work for days without problems
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| 07:43 | So it's not a general issue that affects all installations ec
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| 07:43 | etc
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| 07:43 | <semo163> You mean disable autologin and just wait for disconnect ?
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| 07:43 | <sebd> semo163: I know a place where the firewall silently disconnects my ssh sessions after a while. Security measure I guess.
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| 07:43 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 07:43 | <semo163> there is no firewall on server
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| 07:43 | <alkisg> semo163: you can also put SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf, to get a shell instead of ldm
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| 07:43 | That will make it easier to see if the client hanged or not, to see kernel panics etc
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| 07:44 | <semo163> ok
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| 07:44 | thank you alkisg
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| 07:44 | <alkisg> np
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| 07:45 | <semo163> as a last resort today after work will try nbd from upstream (3.17 I guess) 16.04 release
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| 07:46 | something tells me that it nbd client issue
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| 07:47 | sebd: iptables are flushed no firewall (ufw or so is installed on server)
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| 07:48 | sebd: not installed I mean
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| 07:49 | <sebd> ok semo163 and nothing active between server and clients ?
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| 07:51 | <semo163> sebd: no they are in small lan... no firewall . switch can not be an issue because ping from ather PC to LTSP server goes well
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| 07:53 | <alkisg> Your dhcp server doesn't have 2 hours lease time and assign the expired IP to another client, does it?
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| 07:53 | The default tcp timeout is 2h 11 minutes, but it shouldn't affect nbd connections with the usual keepalive etc.
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| 07:54 | <semo163> will check dhcp. thanks for such a thouhgt
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| 07:56 | nbd client uses usual (after installation params) /sbin/nbd-client 192.168.1.18 -N /opt/ltsp/amd64 /dev/nbd0 -swap -persist
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| 07:58 | /sbin/nbd-client 192.168.1.18 /dev/nbd9 -N /opt/ltsp/amd64
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| 08:02 | default-lease-time 6000;
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| 08:04 | all clients have different hw (all have about 1Gb of RAM just no HD on em) but behave the same way
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| 08:05 | thera are 4 as yet but I will add more after resolve this
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| 08:20 | <alkisg> (10:58:23 πμ) semo163: /sbin/nbd-client 192.168.1.18 /dev/nbd9 -N /opt/ltsp/amd64 ==> that should only be a temporary mount for 1 second
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| 08:21 | Btw, do you have the greek schools ppa in your sources?
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| 08:21 | !greek-schools-ppa
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| 08:21 | <ltsp> greek-schools-ppa: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa/ supports LTS Ubuntu releases with newer LTSP versions, bug fixes etc
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| 08:55 | <semo163> yes i've got greek schook in ppa ltsp5 was installed with this ppa
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| 08:56 | actually on client i've got ps aux|grep nbd /sbin/nbd-client 192.168.1.18 -N /opt/ltsp/amd64 /dev/nbd0 -swap -persist 2 records and one record /sbin/nbd-client 192.168.1.18 /dev/nbd9 -N /opt/ltsp/amd64
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| 08:57 | at all run time of thin client
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| 08:59 | meanwhile nbdstat on server says this client got only one nbd connection
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| 09:00 | actually nbd is lsof which says nbd-serve 8412 nbd 6u IPv4 1391882 0t0 TCP ltsp.csm.local:nbd->baksheeva.csm.local:39580 (ESTABLISHED)
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| 09:04 | <alkisg> If nbd-client stays around after the connection was closed, it sounds like a bug. That wouldn't be the one affecting you though.
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| 13:48 | <semo163_> alkisg: installed nbd from upstream ubuntu (16.04), so far so good (no freezes as yet). On client there's only one nbd-client process now @sbin/nbd-client 192.168.1.18 -N /opt/ltsp/amd64 /dev/nbd0 -swap -persist -systemd-mark
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| 13:55 | could someone please show out of ps -aux|grep nbd from ubuntu ltsp5 pnp diskless client command
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| 13:55 | and ps aux|grep ssh as well
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| 14:03 | <alkisg> semo163_, so you think that nbd-client from 14.04 is broken?
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| 14:05 | # ps aux|grep nbd
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| 14:05 | root 287 1.4 0.0 2208 56 ? Ss 17:04 0:00 @sbin/nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0 -swap -persist systemd-mark
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| 14:05 | root 291 1.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 17:04 0:00 [nbd0]
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| 14:05 | root 602 0.0 0.0 2208 96 ? Ss 17:04 0:00 nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N swap /dev/nbd1 -swap
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| 14:05 | root 605 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 17:04 0:00 [nbd1]
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| 14:05 | root 2860 0.0 0.0 2208 76 ? S 17:05 0:00 nbd-client 192.168.67.1 /dev/nbd9 -N /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 14:07 | # ps aux|grep ssh
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| 14:07 | root 2962 0.3 3.4 7724 5068 pts/2 Ss+ 17:05 0:00 ssh -Y -t -M -S /var/run/ldm_socket_2816_server -o NumberOfPasswordPrompts=1 -o ConnectTimeout=10 -l ltsp -o Ciphers=arcfour128,aes128-ctr server echo LTSPROCKS; exec /bin/sh -
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| 14:07 | root 3034 0.0 3.1 7724 4632 tty7 S 17:05 0:00 ssh -x -a -oClearAllForwardings=yes -oControlPath=/var/run/ldm_socket_2816_server -2 server -s sftp
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| 14:07 | root 3035 0.0 0.1 31216 216 ? Ssl 17:05 0:00 sshfs -o disable_hardlink,allow_other,nonempty,ControlPath=/var/run/ldm_socket_2816_server server:/home/ltsp /home/ltsp
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| 14:07 | root 3043 0.0 3.2 7724 4700 tty7 S 17:05 0:00 ssh -x -a -oClearAllForwardings=yes -oControlPath=/var/run/ldm_socket_2816_server -2 server -s sftp
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| 14:07 | <semo163_> not sure as yet will see if thin clients stay connected overnight
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| 14:08 | <alkisg> semo163_, did you do the "test if clients hang at ldm" part?
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| 14:08 | Did they hang there?
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| 14:08 | <semo163_> doing it now
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| 14:08 | <alkisg> But with a different nbd-client, so you won't know for sure...
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| 14:09 | <semo163_> I've upgraded nbd so cannot tell you about prev version
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| 14:09 | <alkisg> Right
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| 14:09 | <semo163_> now monitoring console of one of them
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| 14:10 | one I rebooted with SCREEN_02=shell without autologin
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| 14:13 | it still get ltsp welcome login screen ... I left 07 screen as is without logining in it and switched to 02 then tail -fn30 /var/log/syslog
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| 14:14 | not sure if it's right way to isolate LDM or not...
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| 14:16 | <alkisg> LDM or not doesn't matter, it's sshfs or nbd that matters, and since you haven't logged in you're only using nbd
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| 14:17 | Although a weird mix of old nbd-server, new nbd-client etc
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| 14:18 | <semo163_> ok. no mix i've installed new nbd client and server from 16.04 and rebuild image with ltsp-update-image --cleanup /
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| 14:19 | after 2 clients were booted with new version of nbd client. One with autologin second without login
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| 14:20 | in 30 min first results :-)
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| 14:21 | usually they hangs after 2hours aprx.
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| 15:06 | <semo163_> alkisg: freezed client with just nbd session (without LDM)
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| 15:07 | syslog on both parts (server and client) shows nothing unusual (no client disconnect or so...)
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| 15:08 | strange, but with LDM (second client) is still running
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| 15:17 | second one also freezed -(
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| 15:22 | could someone send output from /ets/ssh/ssh_config sshd_config
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| 15:28 | no need it. This is nbd for sure. But how to debug it ?
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| 16:29 | <Mowens_> Hello - reading up on LTSP - looks like you have to PXE your clients to get it's OS-- is there an alternative solution that can easily be used over the WAN?
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| 16:33 | <Hyperbyte> Mowens_, hi.
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| 16:33 | The whole idea behind LTSP is having clients without a harddisk. Clients without a harddisk need to get their software from somewhere.
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| 16:33 | You could install Ubuntu on a USB stick I guess?
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| 16:34 | But what you're doing now, is kind of like going to a butcher and asking for vegetables. ;-)
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| 16:34 | LTSP clients have no OS themselves. They get it from the server, via the network.
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| 16:35 | Or maybe I'm totally misunderstanding the question?
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| 16:36 | <Hyperbyte> Are you just looking for a way to provide remote desktops over the internet?
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| 16:44 | <Mowens_> Ahhh i got ya.
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| 16:45 | Yes, long explanation coming. :)
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| 16:52 | <Hyperbyte> Check out x2go if you just want remote desktops from a central server over the internet
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| 16:56 | <Mowens_> Yes, I am looking for a way to provide remote desktops over the internet. I was looking at this all wrong. I come from an extensive background in Citrix and windows terminal server, and currently exploring the linux alternatives for my employer. The ultimate end goal is to create the ability to provide a desktop to any user's device. (phone, tablet, laptop, desktop, thin client, or other) from anywhere. It looks like X2go has a good
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| 16:56 | yours appears to run much thinner, and I like that. :)
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| 16:58 | I have a x2go POC and I like that, I just wanted to give you guys a good try incase I missed something in the documentation
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| 17:11 | <Hyperbyte> You can combine LTSP and x2go
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| 17:11 | I do that at one of the companies I work for too. LTSP for the local thin clients, x2go for the remote offices.
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| 17:23 | <Mowens_> excellent. ty
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| 17:32 | <bradyj> I have just installed LTSP with Lubuntu 14.04, everything went smooth, however I am unable to login to the thin client.
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| 17:36 | <darkend> hy
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| 17:48 | <Hyperbyte> mhm
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| 17:50 | <darkend> I install and configure the server and later create de image.
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| 17:50 | hy. i have a little problem with a ltsp server in debian wheezy.
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| 17:51 | but the client say that not found de pxe.0 file.
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| 17:54 | <vagrantc> if it's a new install, i wouldn't recommend wheezy
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| 17:55 | though it's probably just a misconfiguration with dhcp
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| 17:56 | darkend: https://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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| 17:57 | <darkend> the ltsp server no have a dhcp server inside.
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| 17:57 | well the dhcp server is an dedicated server
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| 17:58 | <vagrantc> ok, then configure your dhcp server to tell it to boot from the ltsp server.
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| 17:58 | or use proxydhcp
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| 17:58 | <darkend> the cliente can see the dhcp server but can´t see the client image
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| 17:58 | <vagrantc> !proxydhcp | echo darkend
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| 17:58 | <ltsp> darkend proxydhcp: A proxy DHCP server is defined by the PXE specification as a server which sends auxiliary boot information to clients, like the boot filename, tftp server or rootpath, but leaves the task of IP leasing to the normal DHCP server. More info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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| 18:00 | <quinox> we also use a diff. DHCP server that we configured to send a client to the LTSP server, works fine
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| 18:00 | <darkend> in first instance, i install it on ubuntu 14.04 like a --fat-client and work very well.
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| 18:00 | <quinox> /etc/dnsmasq.conf: dhcp-boot=/srv/tftp/ltsp/amd64/pxelinux.0,duivenkracht,10.50.0.8
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| 18:00 | <darkend> now my boss order me tha change to debian and create de image like thin client and don´t work.
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| 18:17 | <vagrantc> darkend: try ltsp-config dnsmasq
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| 18:17 | darkend: but why are you running wheezy?
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| 18:18 | <vagrantc> darkend: current debian stable release jessie is already almost a year old
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| 18:26 | <gravetech> I was hoping someone could help with a question about LDM_XSESSION in the lts.conf?
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| 18:29 | I'm attempting to follow the instructions here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2177959
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| 18:29 | The problem is I am not using xfce and I can't seem to get the client to login with the LDM_XSESSION script in place
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| 18:32 | <darkend> @vagrantc: I use wheezy because is that i have. i´m in Cuba and the access to repos are very difficult
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| 18:43 | <alkisg> gravetech: I think it would be better to ask what you need from scratch, not "help me on this forum post"
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| 18:43 | I don't agree with the way this forum post handles ltsp, there are much better ways to do what he's trying to do
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| 18:47 | <gravetech> @alkisg sounds good let me start over!
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| 18:48 | So I am attempting to setup an LTSP server to assist with some computer-based training that we have starting here at my work. Currently we have three Ubuntu 14.04 boxes with Guest Sessions enabled that wipe out anything they do after they log-out. I am looking for similar functionality from LTSP
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| 18:49 | I'd like it if they could log-in as a guest and then when they log out (or log in the next time) wipe their settings back to a template
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| 18:49 | I am trying to do this with some spare computers that are PXE booting
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| 18:49 | The long-term goal is to run it with RPi3's
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| 18:51 | <vagrantc> darkend: ah, that's difficult. wheezy should be able to do what you're needing
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| 18:52 | gravetech: there are some posts on ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net that do exactly that ...
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| 18:52 | * vagrantc also likes using libpam-mount to mount a tmpfs homedir on login | |
| 18:52 | <vagrantc> especially with fat clients
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| 18:53 | * vagrantc had been meaning to integrate that directly into ltsp for some time now but never got it set up | |
| 18:56 | <darkend> How a can have many users in a --fat-client???
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| 18:56 | other cuestion.
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| 18:57 | <vagrantc> one for each terminal
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| 18:57 | anyways, good luck folks, gotta head out
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| 18:57 | * vagrantc waves | |
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| 18:57 | <darkend> i create two users and only mcan acces with the user with i create the client image.
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| 19:00 | ok i will try again. bye
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| 19:00 | <alkisg> gravetech: ok, i'll give you 3 tutorials
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| 19:00 | !ltsp-pnp
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| 19:00 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 19:01 | <alkisg> This is to get ltsp up and running with the spare boxes
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| 19:01 | !raspberrypi
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| 19:01 | <ltsp> raspberrypi: (#1) Ubuntu/LTSP on Pi 2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/RaspberryPi, or (#2) Debian/LTSP (with raspbian chroot) on Pi: http://cascadia.debian.net/trenza/Documentation/raspberrypi-ltsp-howto/, or (#3) unofficial Ubuntu/LTSP (with raspbian chroot) on Pi: http://pinet.org.uk/
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| 19:01 | <alkisg> #1 is for when you get the rpi3's
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| 19:02 | And for the guest sessions, it's one script, let me locate the url..
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| 19:03 | <gravetech> I think I found your post on the mail archives @alkisg
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| 19:03 | You create a /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/S00-guest-sessions
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| 19:04 | <alkisg> https://sourceforge.net/p/ltsp/mailman/message/27814821/
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| 19:04 | Right
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| 19:05 | gravetech: note though that with the ltsp-pnp tutorial, there's no chroot, so you put it in /usr/share/ldm/rc.d/S00-guest-sessions
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| 19:05 | <gravetech> Ok perfect, just one more question: do I still need to have multiple accounts (one for each client connecting)?
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| 19:05 | Thanks, that would have tripped me up!
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| 19:05 | <alkisg> With this how-to, yes, because their home is on the server and it needs to be on a different path,
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| 19:05 | <gravetech> OK I thought so. Thank you!
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| 19:06 | <alkisg> but it's possible to have only one guest account, e.g. "ltsp", with /home mounted from the server,
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| 19:06 | via nbd, or from the tmpfs in ram
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| 19:06 | You're welcome
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| 19:06 | <gravetech> I'll take a look in to that
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| 19:11 | <semo163> is there any way to execute command from ubuntu ltsp 5 pnp server to the client (let say shutdown -r now what I need)
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| 19:12 | <alkisg> !epoptes | echo semo163:
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| 19:12 | <ltsp> semo163: epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
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| 19:12 | <alkisg> semo163: short tutorial: sudo apt-get install epoptes; sudo ltsp-update-image -c /
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| 19:15 | <semo163> alkisg: thank you, but I'll have to do it next day (I left the place already -( )
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| 19:15 | no way esle but epoptes ?
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| 19:16 | <alkisg> I don't understand the problem
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| 19:16 | You want to install a software but you left and you are looking for another software?
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| 19:16 | How will that help?
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| 19:16 | If you have ssh to the server, you can install whatever you want... if not... no
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| 19:16 | <semo163> no I mean I'm far away from client now
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| 19:17 | <alkisg> Is the client logged in?
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| 19:17 | <semo163> i can login to server
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| 19:17 | but after installation I need to reboot client
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| 19:17 | i can not do it
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| 19:17 | now
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| 19:17 | <alkisg> Is the client logged in?
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| 19:17 | <semo163> yes they are loged in
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| 19:17 | <alkisg> Are they thin clients or fat?
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| 19:17 | <semo163> thin
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| 19:18 | <alkisg> You can do it with epoptes then
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| 19:18 | <semo163> diskless
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| 19:18 | login to ltsp server (lubuntu session runs on server)
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| 19:19 | ok will try to install now
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| 19:19 | <alkisg> install epoptes, `su` to the user accounts, and run /usr/share/epoptes-client/get-display to get access to their displays, and /usr/share/epoptes-client/endsession --reboot to reboot the thin clients
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| 19:20 | <semo163> thank you very much . will try
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| 19:20 | <alkisg> do run ltsp-update-image -c / as well so that you can control them graphically after the first reboot
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| 19:20 | <semo163> ok
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| 19:23 | <alkisg> semo163: note that you said "yes they are thin, diskless". But ltsp fat clients are also diskless.
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| 19:24 | If you're using ltsp-pnp, by default clients with >400 mb ram are fat clients
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| 19:24 | They run the desktop session locally, not on the server
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| 19:24 | In that case you can't use the method I said
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| 19:25 | In that case you'll have to update the image and wait for them to logout, because the new image will make them reboot at ldm
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| 19:26 | <semo163> alkisg: no they run desktop session on server for sure
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| 19:27 | dispite they all have 1Gb of RAM
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| 19:28 | <alkisg> semo163: that's not the default though, so you must have specified that in lts.conf, by LTSP_FATCLIENT=False
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| 19:28 | You can run ps aux and check if you see the user processes on the server
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| 19:28 | All of them running gnome-session etc
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| 19:29 | <semo163> ps says they all run on server now
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| 19:30 | <alkisg> *not gnome-session, lxde-session or whatever its name is
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| 19:30 | If you see one lxde-session for each user, they're thin
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| 19:32 | <semo163> yes
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| 19:33 | I did /usr/share/epoptes-client/get-display DISPLAY=192.168.1.41:7
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| 19:33 | then /usr/share/epoptes-client/endsession --reboot I don't know how to reboot in this environment
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| 19:33 | output from server
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| 19:34 | i guess i have to deleay till morning -(
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| 19:34 | <alkisg> export $(/usr/share/epoptes-client/get-display)
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| 19:34 | /usr/share/epoptes-client/endsession --reboot
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| 19:35 | <semo163> I did and got this "I don't know how to reboot in this environment"
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| 19:35 | this is output from ltsp server
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| 19:35 | <alkisg> Did you run the export command?
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| 19:36 | Is that Lubuntu 14.04?
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| 19:36 | <semo163> yes
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| 19:36 | <alkisg> What's the output of this? echo $DISPLAY
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| 19:36 | <semo163> managed to reboot by prefixing SUDO
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| 19:37 | <alkisg> ...reboot the server?!
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| 19:37 | <semo163> F....k yes it was server.... Lost all clients now for sure
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| 19:37 | <alkisg> You don't want sudo there
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| 19:39 | Yes unfortunately the xorg, ssh, nbd connections are lost, you can't access them after server reboot unless you had panic=xxx in the kernel cmdline
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| 19:39 | <semo163> If i had known then that i know now .... (pearl jam i guess) :-)
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| 19:40 | 5 zombie processes (they are)
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| 19:40 | but stations are pinging
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| 19:41 | <alkisg> The kernel on the clients is running, but he'll never get its "disk" back (nbd)
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| 19:41 | So it cannot longer even find the reboot command
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| 19:42 | <semo163> no processes of them
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| 19:47 | alkisg: All right thank you veeeeery much indeed. Tomorrow will find out further
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| 19:48 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 19:49 | <semo163> how to logout here who knows ?
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| 19:49 | from chat i mean
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| 19:50 | <gravetech> usually a /quit
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| 19:50 | <semo163> thanks
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| 19:52 | <metaf5> So I am able to get a root shell in my "shell" screen script, but my ldm screen script fails to log in. I *cannot* su to user "test" from my shell because of a missing passwd entry. Is this missing passwd entry also the reason that I can't login via LDM?
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| 19:52 | If that's likely, could someone tell me what part of the LTSP process is supposed to sync the passwd file so I can un-break my configuration?
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| 19:53 | <maldridge> LDM checks logins against the server, so you shouldn't have issues there, but its possible that you need to grant that user exemptions to password policies
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| 19:54 | <metaf5> On the server's auth.log I see that the "test" user successfully authenticates with SSH, and then it recieves a client-disconnect.
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| 19:55 | What do you mean grant exemptions?
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| 19:57 | <maldridge> like if your user needed a kerberos tgt to access resources, your script wouldn't be able to grant that
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| 19:58 | if you don't already know you have security constraints being enforced on that user, you probably don't
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| 20:00 | <metaf5> Ah, okay. Yeah, nothing like that.
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| 20:02 | <maldridge> there is an lts.conf directive you can use to set the password, but I do not recall it, I believe it is related to this thouhg (one moment while I try to remember how to invoke the bot)
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| 20:02 | !ltsp SCREEN_02
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| 20:02 | <ltsp> Error: "ltsp" is not a valid command.
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| 20:02 | <maldridge> !SCREEN_02
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| 20:02 | <ltsp> SCREEN_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
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| 20:03 | <maldridge> that one will let you get a root shell within the live system, but you seem to be having more of an issue connecting to the server if I understand you correctly
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| 20:04 | <metaf5> Yes, that works. That's where I'm noticing that I can't su to my "test" user.
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| 20:04 | <maldridge> ah, you probably don't want to su to them locally
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| 20:04 | they wouldn't have the sshfs mounted then
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