IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 8 December 2016 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:11 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: a little surprised to see the switch back to shell... :)
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| 05:12 | i guess 19 lines of shell vs. ~100 lines of python...
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| 05:23 | <sbalneav> yeah
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| 05:23 | Makes a bit more sense, eh? :D
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| 05:24 | Seeing as how all we're going to be doing, usually, is launching programs.... little sense in having python do that.
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| 05:24 | I'm off to bed.
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| 05:24 | Cheers
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| 05:29 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: take care
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| 06:04 | <NeK> Hi
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| 06:05 | <Guest58963> Can I ask about my trouble here?
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| 06:07 | <vagrantc> !ask | echo Guest58963
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| 06:07 | <ltsp> Guest58963 ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 06:22 | * alkisg waves | |
| 06:22 | <alkisg> NeK: you can ask here, yes
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| 06:24 | vagrantc: why is /etc/ltsp/xsession in /etc rather than /usr/* ?
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| 06:25 | <vagrantc> alkisg: mostly, so that it's easier to customize and tweak in place, without breaking policy
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| 06:25 | <vagrantc> alkisg: especially with etckeeper ...
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| 06:25 | <alkisg> If we ever need that, we could provide hooks or overrides, right?
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| 06:26 | It's a script, not a configuration file...
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| 06:26 | <vagrantc> alkisg: long-term, i don't much care .. mostly just put it there during development
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| 06:26 | <alkisg> ok
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| 06:26 | <vagrantc> hooks or overrides would be fine
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| 06:26 | <alkisg> It's also mentioned both in .install and in .links
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| 06:27 | Maybe one of them is redudant...
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| 06:27 | <vagrantc> no, the code hard-codes /usr/share/ltsp-pam, so it's a symlink from there to /etc
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| 06:27 | <alkisg> Ah
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| 06:27 | * alkisg is with Scotty on this one :) | |
| 06:28 | <vagrantc> like i said, i mostly put it there to edit during development
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| 06:29 | alkisg: so now we've got shell code again
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| 06:30 | <alkisg> Yey!
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| 06:31 | It even comes with a .sh extension !
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| 06:32 | sbalneav: I think it would be nice to document the login execution flow
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| 06:32 | I.e. which parts run when, at under which uid
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| 06:34 | vagrantc: is build-essential needed for creating python/shell packages, or is it a left over from back when it had .c code?
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| 06:41 | Hmm, strange, I do have proper access through the socket yet my home dir isn't sshfs
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| 06:42 | Ah, pamsession.sh doesn't get installed, it's not there in the ltsp-pam.install file
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| 06:42 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i think there are some things needed from build-essential to build any debian packages
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| 06:43 | <vagrantc> yeah, i haven't updated the packaging since last night
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| 06:49 | <alkisg> This is the equivalent of XRANDR_MODE_0: Section "Monitor" Identifier "VGA-1" Option "PreferredMode" "1280x720" EndSection
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| 06:54 | The good thing is that it works with vbox too nowadays... so maybe it works mostly everywhere
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| 07:03 | The passwd entry is not removed on logout
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| 07:03 | Logging in for a second time works fine
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| 07:04 | Logging in from the console has the same issue, it immediately logs out again
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| 07:05 | Logging in from the console while we're logged in via lightdm too, works, but logout then unmounts /home/username without pkill'ing the session
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| 07:17 | <vagrantc> yup
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| 07:17 | <alkisg> The shell is much easier for troubleshooting!
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| 07:17 | The problem seems to be that close_session is called immediately after login
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| 07:24 | * vagrantc would've thought python would be much better for error handling | |
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| 07:53 | * vagrantc would really like to try sshauth with sshd :) | |
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| 08:06 | * vagrantc ponders what to do about resolv.conf with network manager installed | |
| 08:06 | <vagrantc> installing resolvconf seems to fix the issue
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| 08:06 | oh, had it specified
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| 08:11 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 08:12 | well, latest test for me: login works, but running processes cause issues with second login on MATE, homedir sticks around
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| 08:12 | login from lightdm works, i suspect same issues with "login" on console
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| 10:53 | <nek_> Is there any body?
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| 11:00 | <raphr> hello all. ltsp pnp xenial. I'd like to knwo why my resolv.conf is always overwrited with 8.8.8.8
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| 11:00 | it seems to ignore dhcp parameters and /etc/resolvconf.d/base
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| 11:01 | overwritten
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| 12:55 | <HRH_H_Crab> hi, im trying to disable screen blanking on my clients.
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| 12:55 | ive added X_BLANKING=0 to lts.conf but it doesn't seem to work
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| 12:56 | im using a kiosk script
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| 12:56 | can anyone assist?
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| 14:47 | <KM> Hello. I have problems with LTSP on ubuntu 14.04 after booting the thin client.
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| 14:47 | <raphr> hi again. I finaly found that forcing DNS_SERVER in lts.conf is working.
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| 14:48 | <KM> the client starts, shows the graphical login screen but then it goes back to initramfs busybox.
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| 14:49 | could it be a problem with ssh options not set or how can i check that ldm is responding?
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| 14:49 | NB. I can login with name an pw, but the ssh session stops. Then it goes to busybox.
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| 14:51 | Any suggestions?
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| 16:06 | <sbalneav> jammcq!
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| 16:06 | <jammcq> sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!
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| 16:07 | <sbalneav> lookee
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| 16:10 | Crap, why can I never find this link
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| 16:11 | ah
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| 16:11 | jammcq: https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/+git/ltsp-pam
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| 16:12 | <jammcq> coolio
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| 16:13 | wish I understood what it's saying
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| 16:15 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 16:16 | We're making progress; is the important part :D
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| 16:19 | <jammcq> I like the sound of that
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| 16:19 | <sbalneav> alkisg, vagrantc: just figured out the exiting shell problem
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| 17:10 | <sbalneav> alkisg, vagrantc: took a stab at cleanup code
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| 17:11 | <sbalneav> alkisg_web: ping
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| 17:11 | <alkisg_web> sbalneav: heya
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| 17:11 | so, what was the issue?!
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| 17:12 | <sbalneav> Extra exit() was causing shells to log out
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| 17:12 | Removed it, now all's working.
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| 17:12 | I've also added some cleanup code.
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| 17:12 | <alkisg_web> Aaah, I wonder though why they weren't exit'ing when a lightdm login was on in vt7...
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| 17:13 | <sbalneav> I'm gonna break up that shell script, create a open_session.d and close_session.d directory
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| 17:13 | we'll break up the script into pieces.
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| 17:13 | That makes it easy for people to customize
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| 17:13 | just drop in a bit as needed.
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| 17:13 | <alkisg_web> It's not an issue; the "master" script can also source other dirs...
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| 17:14 | <sbalneav> right.
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| 17:14 | <alkisg_web> Do you want to keep that in a separate tree of the ltsp code base, or will it only be used within ltsp?
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| 17:15 | <sbalneav> Well, I was under the impression that this stuff was going to "become" ltsp6, so we'd merge it in, I guess?
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| 17:15 | Oh, you mean the python bit.
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| 17:16 | yeah, vagrantc and I were discussing making that the "successor" to libpam-sshauth
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| 17:16 | <alkisg_web> Sounds fine to me; I was just thinking that libpam_sshauth was a separate project, and maybe ssh authentication was something that people would want without ltsp... but not me, I'll only be using it with ltsp, so let's keep it simple :)
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| 17:17 | <sbalneav> That's a packaging issue; once we get things *working*, we can figure out where to stick it.
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| 17:17 | <alkisg_web> So wrt where to keep its source code, it'll be in the same source tree as ltsp6?
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| 17:18 | <sbalneav> I'm thinkin; and the packaging could just break it out into a separate package called "libpam-sshauth"
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| 17:18 | <alkisg_web> Right
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| 17:18 | I was thinking that it might be a good time for some "code brainstorming", i.e. to create an ltsp6 tree with only the bits that we want in it, so that we can netboot clients without any ltsp5 packages
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| 17:19 | Once that stabilizes a bit, then we can purge the "brainstorming" history so that the ltsp6 tree history can start
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| 17:19 | <sbalneav> Well, I'd suggest we just rename "ltsp-pam" to "ltsp6", and stuff it all in there.
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| 17:19 | <alkisg_web> +1
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| 17:20 | <sbalneav> Or, test the changes I just made, and we can just copy over what we have, and ditch the history. i.e. "here is some working code that dropped from heaven"
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| 17:20 | I don't care; that's all just bookeeping. :D
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| 17:20 | <alkisg_web> We'll need some bits from init-ltsp.d, some from ltsp-config... some server-side bits from ltsp-update-image...
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| 17:20 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Update your tree
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| 17:20 | <alkisg_web> sbalneav: at this point, do you care about thin clients? or are you using fat ones?
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| 17:20 | <sbalneav> 1) shell logins now work
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| 17:20 | alkisg_web: I'm onto fat myself.
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| 17:21 | Here's what I'd say:
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| 17:21 | (personally)
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| 17:21 | <alkisg_web> Cool. I was thinking that ltsp6 can only support fat clients and remoteapps, and if someone needs thins, he can have an old-style chroot with ltsp5 in it
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| 17:22 | If we don't need ldm, localapps, localdev, ltspfs, ltsp-build-client... it will simplify the code a whole lot
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| 17:22 | <sbalneav> drop localdevices support entirely. We support thin clients still, but they're JUST graphical terminals in that case. Sound should be not to hard to bodge, but usb stick support, et al, is just getting too hacky.
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| 17:22 | You want local devices, go fat.
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| 17:23 | I'm fine with your idea.
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| 17:23 | * vagrantc has to attend to eating dinner | |
| 17:23 | <sbalneav> Are you guys hanging together? Or in different locations?
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| 17:23 | * alkisg_web is pretty sure he'll get vagrantc to agree as well, otherwise there's no dinner for him :P | |
| 17:23 | <sbalneav> lol
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| 17:24 | <alkisg_web> We're in different rooms... kitchen vs living room... :P
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| 17:24 | <sbalneav> ah, sweet
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| 17:24 | <ogra_> dont say you guys do a mediterranian BTS
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| 17:24 | <sbalneav> Well, update your trees when done stuffing your faces, and test what's in there now
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| 17:24 | <alkisg_web> ogra_: you're more than welcome to join us!
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| 17:25 | <sbalneav> text login now works, and cleanup *should* happen
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| 17:25 | brb, coffee
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| 17:25 | <alkisg_web> ty sbalneav for all :)
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| 17:25 | <ogra_> heh ... sadly still busy til EOW
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| 17:26 | <sbalneav> End Of World?
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| 17:26 | <ogra_> hahaha
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| 17:26 | <alkisg_web> :D
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| 17:26 | <sbalneav> Shit, that's a long contract you got with Canonical
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| 17:27 | * alkisg_web hopes canonical doesn't plan to EOL the world any time soon... | |
| 17:27 | <ogra_> nah, its all snappy :P
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| 17:41 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: if i was really lucky, i could get alkisg with a paper airplane
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| 17:41 | sbalneav: line of sight
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| 17:42 | ogra_: i should've picked you up on my way through germany
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| 17:44 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: mind if I rename ssh.py to pam-sshauth.py?
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| 17:44 | to more closely mirror an eventual replacement for libpam-sshauth?
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| 17:45 | I'll fix up references, naturally
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| 17:45 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: could we drop the .py part?
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| 17:45 | <sbalneav> Sure
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| 17:45 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: and the .sh part?
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| 17:45 | <sbalneav> Sure
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| 17:45 | * vagrantc cheers! | |
| 17:45 | <sbalneav> two shakes
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| 17:46 | <vagrantc> that way if we switch language, it might not require packaging changes
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| 17:46 | i was also thinking of moving the various components into subdirs so we can do things like share/* /usr/share/ltsp-pam/ and such
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| 17:47 | but maybe we should just move the init-ltsp.d hook out and call it good
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| 17:47 | <sbalneav> k, lemme fix those two things first.
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| 17:49 | <vagrantc> as you wish :)
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| 17:50 | <sbalneav> should pamsession.sh -> pamsession or: pam-ltspsession
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| 17:50 | I'm thinkin' the latter
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| 17:50 | <vagrantc> if it's installed in ltsp-pam, i don't think it needs to specify
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| 17:50 | e.g. pamsession is fine
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| 17:50 | <sbalneav> how about pam-session, to match pam-sshauth?
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| 17:51 | consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds :D
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| 17:51 | <vagrantc> although i guess we're edging out of proof of concept and towards actual implementation... so these little bits start mattering :)
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| 17:51 | <sbalneav> pam-session
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| 17:51 | <vagrantc> works for me
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| 17:52 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 17:53 | pushed
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| 17:58 | <sbalneav> whoa, hold on, everything just broke
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| 17:58 | wut
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| 17:59 | <gehidore> I love when local works but the pushed commit of local doesn't
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| 18:00 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: about to head out for a few, might get some testing in tomorrer mornin
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| 18:00 | <sbalneav> kk
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| 18:01 | crap. name *has* to have .py, or pam_python won't execute it.
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| 18:01 | that's silly
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| 18:02 | <vagrantc> wow. that is silly.
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| 18:02 | oh well.
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| 18:02 | <sbalneav> *shrugs*
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| 18:02 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 18:02 | <sbalneav> Cheers
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