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Channel log from 24 April 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:15 | <mole1962> Good afternoon; anyone know of any bugs stopping local devices working - LTSP 5, Gentoo, unionfs?? Getting an error in NBD_SWAP=true, otherwise things seem fine, Pulseaudio working, using LDM and KDE 3.5
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| 01:16 | Putting a USB stick in gives this is the logs:Successful su for root by root
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| 01:16 | Apr 24 06:37:48 msi su[7894]: + ??? root:root
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| 01:19 | <dipeshmehta> hello all, I have been successfully using LTSP 5 on Ubuntu 8.04......... if I want to install Ubuntu 9.04 Jaunty into ltsp's chrooted environment without disturbing the server os i.e. 8.04, how can I do the same? or is it possible at all?
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| 01:31 | <mole1962> or could anyone point me to some docs - relevant to Gentoo or the basic processes...?
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| 01:33 | <cyberorg> mole1962, look for kde-desktop-icons
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| 01:34 | put it in /etc/ltspfs/mounter.d/kde-desktop-icons on the server, that script is somewhere in the docs
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| 01:37 | dipeshmehta, if not possible easily, you can always create chroot image on 9.04, copy it over to your server, copy also the boot images
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| 01:38 | <mole1962> cyborg, I don't have an /etc/ltspfs dir - or a mounter.d dir either...? sys-fs/ltspfs is installed on the server and in the chroot
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| 01:39 | <dipeshmehta1> cyberorg:can you please explain on how to create chroot image on 9.04?
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| 01:39 | <cyberorg> dipeshmehta1, i don't use ubuntu, but i would guess it is exactly same way you created on 8.04
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| 01:40 | mole1962, you got latest ltspfs installed on the server?
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| 01:40 | just create that folder and put kde-desktop-icon script there, find out what happens :)
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| 01:41 | <mole1962> reported as version 9999 - but only installed a day or two ago - using Gentoo ltsp overlay
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| 01:41 | Ok will do
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| 01:42 | <alkisg> Morning all. dipeshmehta1, you can't/don't want to install a Jaunty chroot into a Hardy server, there might be incompatibilities between ltsp-client and ltsp-server versions.
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| 01:43 | <dipeshmehta1> cyberorg:thanks, but in 8.04 at the time of initial setup I just gave command "ltsp-build-client" at the server, and rest care was taken by the system...
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| 01:43 | <cyberorg> dipeshmehta1, what alkisg said :)
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| 01:44 | alkisg, aren't backports available on stgraber's repo?
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| 01:44 | <alkisg> For Intrepid yes, but not for Hardy
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| 01:44 | <cyberorg> k
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| 01:44 | <alkisg> ...but even if he could, why would he do it? Unless he uses localapps...
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| 01:46 | <dipeshmehta1> ok, thanks cyberorg / alkisg
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| 01:46 | I understood the matter now...
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| 01:49 | alkisg, then also i am eager to know - how to create chroot image on any version
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| 01:49 | <mole1962> cyberorg, I don't have the kde-desktop-items script (kde-desktop-items.bz2 was a doc file). Have re-emerged ltspfs which installs lbmount, ltspfsd, ltspsd, cdpinger. Must be missing something major? Or is it just not there on the Gentoo ebuild yet?
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| 01:49 | <cyberorg> mole1962, ltspfsd, cdpinger should not be installed on the server
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| 01:50 | <alkisg> dipeshmehta1: do you use or want to use localapps?
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| 01:51 | <ltsppbot> "cyberorg" pasted "mole1962: put this in /etc/ltspfs/mounter.d/kde-desktop-icons && chmod +x /etc/ltspfs/mounter.d/kde-desktop-icons" (54 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/310
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| 01:51 | <alkisg> I.e. is there some specific application that your clients need that exists in Jaunty but not in Hardy?
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| 01:51 | Because otherwise a different chroot version doesn't make any sense...
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| 01:51 | <mole1962> cyberorg, Ok will uninstall from server - and leave it installed in the chroot env...
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| 01:52 | <cyberorg> mole1962, ltspfs and lbmount is required on the server
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| 01:52 | lbmount needs to be suid
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| 01:52 | <dipeshmehta1> alkisg, nothing amongst these, I just want test run.....
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| 01:53 | <alkisg> dipeshmehta1: a jaunty chroot running on the hardy server would only show hardy apps, ok?
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| 01:53 | ==> ltsp-build-client --dist jaunty
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| 01:54 | <alkisg> (I guess - never done it)
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| 01:54 | <dipeshmehta1> thanks alkisg
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| 01:55 | this is my test server... so if anything goes wrong... I would be happy to find the solution and at the extreme, I don't mind if I needed to format/re-install....
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| 01:56 | <alkisg> dipeshmehta1: but there's nothing to gain from this test...
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| 01:57 | <alkisg> Even if it works, what good will it do for you? You won't have any new apps, just an unstable system
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| 01:57 | <dipeshmehta1> alkisg: hmmmm, I understand...
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| 01:59 | <dipeshmehta1> alkisg: one more thing, may I have another distro in chroot environment on ubuntu server? alongwith residing ubuntu 8.04 chroot also, so that selected clients will get ubuntu and some others would get fedora or anyother distro which may be needed....
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| 02:00 | <alkisg> dipeshmehta1: again: whatever distro you may put in the chroot,
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| 02:00 | your clients will only see hardy at the end
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| 02:00 | Because the chroot doesn't contain any applications/themes etc
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| 02:01 | It only contains a boot image. After that, all applications along with the user interface run from the server, so your users will always see the hardy you have on your server (NOT in the chroot).
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| 02:02 | <dipeshmehta1> oh... I was in thought that chroot is the complete os image.....
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| 02:02 | <alkisg> If you wanted your users to see fedora etc. you'd need virtualization, i.e. to do a second server installation in xen/vbox/vmware etc
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| 02:02 | <mole1962> cyberorg, have installed script, rebooted the client, setuid /usr/bin/lbmount (it wasn't) but still nothing on the desktop or in /media
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| 02:03 | <X-TaZ> Someone here made work ltsp-cluster ? I watching for help, there are not lots of help on the net
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| 02:04 | <dipeshmehta1> alkisg, thanks a lot for such a clear and specific answers.....
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| 02:04 | <alkisg> dipeshmehta1: you're welcome :)
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| 02:06 | <X-TaZ> No one ?
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| 02:16 | <Nubae> dipeshmehta1: u can use fatclient for that scenario
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| 02:17 | I use that to server xfce in a normally intrepid environment
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| 02:21 | <cyberorg> X-TaZ, simple cluster instructions are in upstream docs as in topic, this is what we have http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Cluster
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| 02:23 | <X-TaZ> Ty cyberorg but it's not what I'm looking for
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| 02:24 | <dipeshmehta1> Nubae, I would read and study about fatclient, then revert to you if needed...
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| 02:24 | <X-TaZ> I want to use a better load balancing system, and i believe stgraber 's ltsp-cluster is the best :) I'm just looking for some help with it
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| 02:25 | <cyberorg> X-TaZ, how many servers?
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| 02:25 | <Nubae> dipeshmehta1: sure no prob... http://www.nubae.com/ltsp-linux-terminal-server-project-netbooted-fat-client-for-ubuntu-hardy-and-intrepid
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| 02:26 | <X-TaZ> 10, and probably more
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| 02:26 | its to serve a parc of 600 computers
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| 02:26 | <cyberorg> X-TaZ, ok, then you definitely need stgraber for that :)
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| 02:26 | <X-TaZ> :)
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| 02:26 | I'll be waiting for him
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| 02:27 | ( plus I think he speak french, cause his surname sounds frenchy, it 'll be easier
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| 02:29 | <dipeshmehta1> Nubae, at prima view the doc, it seems nice.... I would study in detail this afternoon...
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| 02:30 | <X-TaZ> Does alkisg have a life ?
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| 04:56 | <chrisjrob> on one ltsp server (debian etch) i installed italc so that both client and server components were running on the server, it works okay, except that the remote control performance is unusably slow,
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| 04:57 | so on my latest ltsp server (debian lenny) i installed italc so that the client component was installed in the chroot.
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| 04:57 | <chrisjrob> i am still having problems with a port in use error at login, but
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| 04:57 | it does seem to be working.
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| 04:57 | however, again the remote control seems to be unusably slow.
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| 04:58 | my question is, does anyone have italc working with good performance, and if so, which route did you take?
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| 04:59 | actually, i'm not convinced that the remote control is even working on this latest install, but it could be just unusably slow!
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| 05:21 | <alkisg> chrisjrob: what do you mean "unusuable performance"? It should be like a normal vnc session, i.e. slow but bareable
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| 05:23 | Try with a normal vnc in your local network to see how fast it's supposed to be, to have something to compare with...
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| 05:25 | <chrisjrob> thanks alkisg, but on my etch install it can take a minute or so to click on a button.
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| 05:26 | on my lenny install, i can't get anything to work, so it does seem to be view only at present.
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| 05:27 | <alkisg> I've tried it on a lenny-server / intrepid-client combination (non ltsp), it worked fine. It also works fine in my intrepid ltsp lab
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| 05:27 | Does vnc work OK in your network?
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| 05:28 | <chrisjrob> yes, i've never had any issues, but i don't have it installed on my ltsp servers
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| 05:28 | but i do use it on the few windows pcs remaining
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| 05:30 | <alkisg> If you use gnome, then you already have vino installed; you could test its performance within a minute...
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| 05:30 | <chrisjrob> sorry kde!
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| 05:30 | <alkisg> Doesn't that also have an embedded remote desktop facility?
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| 05:30 | <chrisjrob> alkisg: yes it does. good point.
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| 05:31 | the issue with it under ltsp is trying to work out the display to use.
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| 05:31 | <alkisg> I can't imagine why italc would work but slowly, while vnc (or vino or k*) working ok...
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| 05:31 | Yes, but since you're able to control the clients, it looks like it gets the correct port...
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| 05:32 | <chrisjrob> alkisg: i am currently working on my lenny server, which is currently view-only - no remote control at all.
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| 05:32 | <alkisg> What's the client's CPU?
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| 05:33 | <chrisjrob> its a new mini-itx machine - can't recall the cpu
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| 05:34 | <alkisg> Ah ok if it's new it should be able to cope with the traffic encryption that italc uses. Well, if vnc works, and the italc port settings are ok, it should work with about the same performance; I don't know what could be the problem, so check if vnc works.
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| 05:35 | <chrisjrob> alkisg: i struggled to find any information on how to install italc in the chroot, so i have probably taken a wrong turn.
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| 05:35 | <alkisg> Maybe your client's RAM is too low for italc to run locally? The clients specs would also help here
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| 05:35 | <chrisjrob> it has a 1g ram
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| 05:37 | alkisg: can you remember how you installed it? could i impose on you to have a quick look at my install notes: http://www.bootpolish.net/pageloader.pl?page=home_ltsp_installitalconltsp5 to see if I have missed a step?
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| 05:39 | <alkisg> ...I think I called createkeypair with --role=teacher...
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| 05:39 | <chrisjrob> that's the default anyway.
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| 05:41 | <alkisg> looks fine to me - well, if you're able to control the students' screen I don't think there's an error with your setup
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| 05:42 | <chrisjrob> i can't control the students screen - not on my lenny install
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| 05:42 | i can view only
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| 05:42 | <alkisg> How did you add the clients to the .xml settings file?
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| 05:43 | <chrisjrob> i just right clicked - add classroom "ltsp" - right clicked again - add computer
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| 05:43 | i'm using fixed ip to keep it simple
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| 05:44 | <alkisg> Hmmm try changing your ica line to this: ica -noshm -isdport 5800 -ivsport 5900
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| 05:45 | <chrisjrob> i don't know whether this is a clue, but whenever i try adding "-noshm" on the client,
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| 05:45 | it just says taht noone is logged in
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| 05:46 | (after the client is rebooted obviously)
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| 05:46 | i am trying it now.
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| 05:47 | <alkisg> chrisjrob: no need for reboots
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| 05:47 | Just kill the old ica and start a new one...
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| 05:48 | <chrisjrob> ISD-server could not be started because port 5800 is already in use
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| 05:49 | <alkisg> By what?
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| 05:49 | Is the old ica still running?
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| 05:49 | (e.g. netstat -tulp | grep 5800)
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| 05:49 | <chrisjrob> no, i rebooted the client
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| 05:50 | <alkisg> (locally on the client of course, not on an konsole running on the server...)
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| 05:50 | <chrisjrob> nothing on 5800, ica on 5900
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| 05:51 | and yes, i am doing this on the client ctrl-alt-f1 etc
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| 05:51 | <alkisg> Try again, locally, killall ica and then ica -noshm -isdport 5800 -ivsport 5900
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| 05:52 | <chrisjrob> do i need to prefix your command with DISPLAY=:7 ?
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| 05:52 | <alkisg> Uh, I'm not sure, why don't you run a local xterm inside your session to be on the safe side?
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| 05:52 | You may invoke one with LDM_DEBUG_TERMINAL=true in lts.conf
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| 05:53 | <chrisjrob> Oh, i did not know that!
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| 05:54 | i used the DISPLAY=:7 prefix, and it worked exactly the same, in the user session a popup appeared
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| 05:54 | stating port 5800 is already in use
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| 05:54 | and i checked after the killall with a ps -ef | grep ica - and they had all been killed
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| 05:55 | the ica command seems to spawn a child process
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| 05:55 | and my guess is that somehow the child is trying to use the same port
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| 05:55 | then falling back on port 0
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| 05:56 | <alkisg> So now you have two ica processes? One parent, one child?
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| 05:56 | ps -ef | grep ica shows two of them?
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| 05:57 | <chrisjrob> yes.
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| 05:57 | * chrisjrob is rebooting with LDM_DEBUG_TERMINAL=true | |
| 05:58 | <chrisjrob> where is that xterm supposed to appear?
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| 05:59 | <alkisg> After logging in
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| 05:59 | It should popup inside the session
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| 06:00 | <chrisjrob> sadly it hasn't.
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| 06:01 | on the client the parent ica process is exactly as you stipulated
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| 06:01 | <alkisg> and the client? any command line parameters shown with ps -ef|grep ica?
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| 06:01 | *sorry, the child process?
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| 06:02 | <chrisjrob> the child is: -rx11vs -noshm -nosel -nosetclipboard -rfbport 5900 -rx11vs -isdport 0 -role other
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| 06:03 | <alkisg> isdport should be 5800... so now the parent process listens to 5800?
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| 06:04 | <chrisjrob> my suspicion is that the -isdport has fallen to 0, because the parent is using 5800.
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| 06:05 | are you using the italc-client from the debian lenny repos - as i am coming to the conclusion that it has a bug
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| 06:05 | <alkisg> Nope, only the italc-server was using the debian repos
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| 06:06 | What does netstat show? ica listening on 5800? Or maybe another process?
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| 06:06 | <chrisjrob> nothing on 5800 - i think that the parent process is supposed to release the port, but isn't releasing it quick enough
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| 06:06 | it then does release it, but too late for the child to pick it up
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| 06:08 | <alkisg> Well, try with another port
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| 06:08 | E.g. 11000
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| 06:08 | <chrisjrob> i have, the error just moves to the newly specified port
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| 06:09 | <X-TaZ> Does stgraber come often here ? I have some questions about his ltsp-cluster to ask him
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| 06:10 | <chrisjrob> alkisg: the chroot has italc-client 1:1.0.9~rc3-1, i think i need to upgrade this somehow
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| 06:10 | <alkisg> chrisjrob: ""Create a new key pair for authentication between master and client. Until specified with -role the key-pair will be created for role "other".
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| 06:11 | So --role=teacher isn't the default...
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| 06:12 | <chrisjrob> okay, i'll give it a go, although the only keys existing in /etc/italc/keys are "teacher"
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| 06:17 | <chrisjrob> alkisg: sadly, no different. i "rm -r" the old keys on the server and in the chroot
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| 06:18 | <alkisg> chrisjrob: can't think of anything... you may be right on a bad executable
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| 06:20 | <chrisjrob> alkisg: thanks for all your help - appreciated.
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| 06:20 | any chance that you could tell me what very of italc-client you are running?
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| 06:21 | s/very/version/
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| 06:21 | <alkisg> 1:1.0.9.1-0ubuntu9
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| 06:21 | chrisjrob: so if that's the problem, then you could use a jaunty live cd to verify it
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| 06:23 | <chrisjrob> i think it'll be quicker to upgrade the version in chroot.
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| 06:23 | but i'll keep that in mind, thanks.
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| 06:23 | <alkisg> Sure, if it doesn't have any weird ubuntu* dependencies... good luck :)
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| 06:24 | chrisjrob: I think this ppa has the same version as jaunty: https://launchpad.net/~edubuntu-italc-devel/+archive/ppa
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| 06:25 | <chrisjrob> alkisg: i am wondering about avahi
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| 06:25 | doesn't ubuntu use it, and lenny doesn't, and it does something with the ports
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| 06:26 | i am guessing from zero knowledge, as you can tell!
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| 06:27 | <alkisg> chrisjrob: no, avahi only announches the service, it shouldn't have any effect
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| 06:27 | Even in ubuntu, ica doens't know anything about avahi; it's a script, ica-launcher that calls avahi
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| 06:29 | <chrisjrob> the ubuntu package insists on installing avahi-utils
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| 06:30 | does that need anything on the server to talk to?
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| 06:47 | <alkisg> chrisjrob: there's another script, italc-launcher, which asks avahi about the available clients => it autodetects and autofills the clients in the .xml file
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| 06:47 | <alkisg> Other than the autodetection thing, it shouldn't make any difference on the actual usage.
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| 06:55 | <chrisjrob> alkisg: i installed it, and modified my script to use ica-launcher,
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| 06:56 | the installer created keys which i copied to the server, but the server would not accept them.
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| 06:56 | so i removed them all, regenerated on the server and copied them to the chroot
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| 06:56 | the client booted cleanly, without port in use errors, but it did not work
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| 06:57 | on the client a ps -ef revealed that the parent ica process was running, but the child process was "defunct".
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| 06:58 | i think i'll install italc-client from debian sid instead.
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| 07:02 | yeah - it works!
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| 07:29 | <chrisjrob> yes, it works and there are no errors, but too slow to be of any use.
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| 07:30 | tried upgrading italc-master italc-client and libitalc to sid versions, but no different.
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| 10:02 | <chrisjrob> alkisg mentioned an lts.conf directive to open a ldm debug xterm on the client, but I now cannot find it in any of the documentation, would someone be able to remind me what it is?
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| 10:03 | <alkisg> LDM_DEBUG_TERMINAL
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| 10:03 | <chrisjrob> thanks alkisg.
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| 10:03 | <alkisg> I don't know what ltsp version it got in, but it should be in Lenny...
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| 10:03 | chrisjrob: there's also the classic SCREEN_02=shell SCREEN_07=ldm
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| 10:04 | <chrisjrob> i realised that i had taken a sideways copy of my /opt/ltsp/i386 directory, and was editing the copy instead of the original!
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| 10:06 | <chrisjrob> btw alkisg, i managed to get italc working, but it really was dreadfully slow. i have moved over to x11vnc instead and it is perfect.
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| 10:06 | <alkisg> I can't imagine why it would be so slow. Was it also the watching part, or only the remote control part?
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| 10:07 | <chrisjrob> the watching was okay, just the remote control. it could take a minute or two just to update the mouse movement
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| 10:09 | no that LDM_DEBUG_TERMINAL doesn't seem to work in lenny. oh well, the alternatives are fine.
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| 10:35 | <richard_parker_v> ogra: are you around?
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| 10:40 | <droalt> what browser do you guys recommend to use with ltsp
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| 10:43 | <cliebow> ive used firefox and seamonkey..i dont think it much matters..as long as it is not internet explorer 9~)
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| 10:54 | <droalt> internet explorer....yuc
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| 10:54 | yuck
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| 11:05 | <Drakonen> atm im running ff3, but tomorrow is a real test with 2 clients, we'll see then how well it works
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| 11:31 | <droalt_> woooo got off work early today, wooo!
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| 11:31 | l8r guys
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| 11:31 | <cliebow> wooo!
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| 11:53 | <richard_parker_v> does anyone know if a distribution upgrade from intrepid to jaunty works without issue on an ltsp server? Anyone in a production environment tried it yet?
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| 12:13 | <Ahmuck-Sr> hi. i need to re-build ubuntu ltsp client after last evenings upgrade. point me to directions?
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| 12:27 | <richard_parker_v> Ahmuck-Sr: you probably don't need to rebuild. sudo ltsp-update-image should cover it.
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| 13:33 | <jc2it> ls
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| 13:33 | oops
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| 13:33 | I have a VIAChrome9 HC3 Integrated Graphics in an HP t5545 thin client. I am trying to get it to pxe boot from Ubuntu 8.04 LTS + LTSP, but I think I have a video driver problem. What driver do I use for the VIAChrome9 HC3 Integrated Graphics chipset?
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| 13:40 | [default]
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| 13:40 | XSERVER = openchrome
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| 13:40 | X_VIDEO_RAM = 16438
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| 13:40 | LDM_DIRECTX=True
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| 13:40 | # HP t5545 TC
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| 13:40 | [00:22:64:28:ad:68]
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| 13:40 | # XSERVER = openchrome
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| 13:41 | # X_VIDEO_RAM = 65752
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| 13:41 | SCREEN_07=ldm
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| 13:41 | SCREEN_02=shell
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| 13:41 | # SCREEN_03=wy60
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| 13:41 | # TELNET_HOST = 192.168.2.2
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| 13:41 | this is the lts.conf that I have been playing with
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| 13:42 | Ubuntu boots, shows the progress bar and then starts BLINKING the screen on and off.
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| 13:44 | <vagrantc> ogra: cheers on the release!
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| 13:47 | <Lumiere> jc2it: please use a pastebot... like ltsppbot maybe
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| 13:49 | <jc2it> oops I forgot about that, where do i find it?
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| 13:50 | <CAN-o-SPAM> !pastebot
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| 13:50 | <ltspbot`> CAN-o-SPAM: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 14:09 | <yanqui> jc2it: It's been a while since I touched anything with a chrome, but iirc I had problems with openchrome on 8.04
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| 14:10 | try changing your driver to vesa and see what it does
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| 15:57 | <ltsppbot> "jc2it" pasted "lts.conf changes. works kinda..." (15 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/311
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| 17:22 | <bittergeek> I'm running LTSP5 on Ubuntu 9.05. It's working but I'd like to know how I can set things up so that user sessions persist after a thin client is power cycled.
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| 18:33 | <slashdotfx> bittergeek: maybe you can try NX with ltsp, try googling for "ltsp freenx"
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| 18:34 | my turn, anyone can help me with usb stick not showing up (mounted) in server?
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| 18:34 | :)
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| 18:35 | on the thinclient, it detected ok, but not showing up in the server
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| 18:36 | on the thinclient, I found that if I try "ssh -S /var/run/ldm_socket_blablabla", the ssh connection go stuck
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| 18:37 | this process "/bin/sh /lib/udev/ltspfs_entry add sda1" is still running on the client
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| 18:38 | if I do "ssh user@server id" it runs ok
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| 18:41 | <ltsppbot> "slashdotfx" pasted "ssh via ldm socket got stuck" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/312
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| 19:50 | <slashdotfx> if I plug the usb stick before the thinclient booting up, it showed up in the server
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| 19:51 | but if I plug it after the thinclient booting up, it's not showing up
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| 21:24 | <slashdotfx> :) I see that weekend is in the air
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