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Channel log from 16 May 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:58 | <josephking> Hello people
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| 00:59 | I have some issues with speed on Ubuntu 8.04 using LTSP5, any suggestions on how to improve performance?
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| 01:02 | <sep> josephking, you should first troubleshoot to find the problem, then its easy to suggest improvements.
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| 01:02 | josephking, check your servers cpu usage, memory usage and hd and network
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| 01:03 | also knowing more details about the problem then just "speed" can help indicate the issue
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| 01:03 | <josephking> Hi sep
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| 01:03 | Okay here is the setup
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| 01:04 | I have two sites, one running 90 eBox 2300 thinclients off three servers. The servers are P4 #GHz machines with 3.2 G of RAM each
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| 01:05 | The site ran perfectly under Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS with LTSP 4.2
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| 01:06 | <vagrantc> the ebox 2300 has got some unusual problems that make it unreasonably slow.
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| 01:07 | <josephking> Now if I use just 5 thinclients, the performance is horrible, screens take a while to refresh, I know that the eBox 2300 is a baby in terms of resources, how can I get the performance that my client was used to but still have the features of LTSP5?
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| 01:07 | <vagrantc> josephking: set LDM_DIRECTX=True in lts.conf
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| 01:08 | still won't improve boot speed, but should get similar speed for your sessions
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| 01:08 | <josephking> I have set LDM_DIRECTX=True in lts.conf and it makes very little improvement
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| 01:09 | <vagrantc> /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf ?
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| 01:09 | <josephking> Yes, /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 01:10 | I even tried to use "startx" instead of "ldm" to see if it would make a difference
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| 01:10 | It was no different
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| 01:10 | <vagrantc> unfortunately, the ebox2300 has something that causes it to perform particularly slow ... if you use a machine of even lower system resources, they tend to go considerably faster.
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| 01:11 | josephking: did switching to startx actually work?
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| 01:11 | <sep> vagrantc, startx = no ssh ?
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| 01:11 | <josephking> I also have some HP Thinclients and eBox 3800s at the second site
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| 01:11 | <vagrantc> i mean, did it switch to using xdmcp ?
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| 01:12 | sep: basically, the same as ltsp 4.x did ... using X's XDMCP protocol
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| 01:12 | <josephking> They work faster, but still not as good as LTSP 4.2
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| 01:12 | startx did not work properly
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| 01:12 | <vagrantc> yes, ltsp 4.2 was very, very fast. none of the LTSP 5 implementations come close to it for speed.
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| 01:12 | <sep> was about to suggest a different ssh cipher but i guess that would be pointless if xdmcp didnt help
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| 01:13 | <josephking> I eventually ran "X :1 -query <serverip>" and got a GDM screen
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| 01:14 | However sound still worked and the speed was the same
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| 01:14 | <vagrantc> josephking: that's basically what startx/xdmcp script does
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| 01:14 | sound still worked?
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| 01:14 | that's surprising...
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| 01:14 | <josephking> I thought that running startx would use xdmcp and remove the ssh overhead
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| 01:15 | <vagrantc> yes, that's what it does.
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| 01:15 | but none of the localdevices or sound get configured
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| 01:15 | <vagrantc> LDM_DIRECTX also removes the ssh overhead for everything but login.
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| 01:16 | <josephking> That's what confused me. Sound worked, and performance was the same, even though I was logging in via GDM.
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| 01:17 | <vagrantc> no idea what's going on there.
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| 01:17 | ah well... time to sleep.
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| 01:17 | josephking: good luck.
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| 01:17 | <josephking> Thanks vagrantc, much appreciated!
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| 01:21 | <josephking> So is it an accepted fact that LTSP 5 is not as fast as LTSP 4.2 ? If so, why should we use 5?
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| 01:22 | Does anyone here have a setup that works on 5 as well as it worked on 4.2 ?
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| 01:25 | <sep> josephking, easier implementation, and features.
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| 01:25 | but you can youself decide you want to run 4.3 instead... nobody force you to run 5
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| 01:26 | <johnny> ther'es the altlinux verion of ltsp5
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| 01:26 | that is supposed to be near as fast
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| 01:26 | there is no english docs for it i think tho
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| 01:27 | i use ltsp5, because i like the features it is evolving
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| 01:27 | and going to evolve :)
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| 01:29 | <josephking> I also like LTSP5, but the performance makes it difficult to make users understand that it is an improvement
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| 01:29 | I am stuck!
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| 01:29 | <Pascal_1> Bonjour
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| 01:29 | <johnny> you could try the alt linux version
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| 01:29 | <josephking> Do I choose features over performance?
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| 01:29 | <johnny> depends on when you can upgrade :)
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| 01:30 | i think gvy provides a chroot tarball
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| 01:30 | josephking, you could also try xfce or something other than gnome
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| 01:30 | <josephking> I am happy to try altlinx
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| 01:31 | I can't change from gnome because the users are not the most computer savy and small changes confuse them.
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| 01:31 | <johnny> you should prolly try to trace your specific issue before continuing
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| 01:34 | <josephking> johnny, how many thinclients are u running at your site? Are they reasonable responsive?
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| 01:35 | <johnny> uhmm.. mine is one of the smaller deployments :)
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| 01:35 | 4
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| 01:35 | on a dual core amd64
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| 01:36 | 2GB ram
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| 01:36 | that we also use for handling point of sale
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| 01:38 | <josephking> I am using a server with dual quad core xeon cpus , sas drives and 8G of RAM
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| 01:38 | There is no way that I have a problem with server resources
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| 01:39 | There must be some way that I can get the client machines to run better
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| 01:44 | <josephking> Thanks johnny for your help, if I do resolve this, I will be sure to share the solution with all of you.
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| 01:59 | <johnny> ogra, !
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| 01:59 | <ogra> he
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| 01:59 | y
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| 01:59 | <johnny> i might end up meeting you after all..
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| 02:01 | <ogra> yay
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| 02:01 | <johnny> one of my web development colleagues wants to bring me down to austin
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| 02:02 | so.. he would pay my roundtrip fare..
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| 02:02 | i'll just take the money.. and continue to portland :)
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| 02:02 | <ogra> heh, cool !
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| 02:02 | <johnny> via train
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| 02:02 | i've never been on the left coast before
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| 02:02 | it'll only cost me $300ish
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| 02:03 | for travel
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| 02:03 | to go almost all the way around the entire country
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| 02:07 | <ogra> .oO( left coast ? was that a political statement ? )
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| 02:36 | <johnny> no
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| 02:36 | or maybe
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| 02:36 | it could be :)
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| 02:36 | west happens to be left on maps .. :)
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| 02:59 | <cm065> hi there
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| 03:00 | I have my own nsc x11 driver which I'm trying to get into lbe (4.2). What's the best way of doing that? Can I rebuild that driver alone, after a ./build_all? Or can I just build that driver?
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| 03:26 | <ChrisM> I have my own nsc x11 driver which I'm trying to get into lbe (4.2). What's the best way of doing that? Can I rebuild that driver alone, after a ./build_all? Or can I just build that driver?
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| 03:27 | <Q-FUNK> ChrisM: into what?
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| 03:27 | <Q-FUNK> ChrisM: what is the hardware you're running this on?
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| 03:28 | <ChrisM> called x-board (from kontron) and i got a custom driver for that board
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| 03:28 | i'm trying to compile this driver for ltsp 4.2 using the build environment (lbe)
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| 03:29 | <Q-FUNK> ah
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| 03:29 | I think everyone here has moved on and uses LTSP 5 on a recent distro.
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| 03:30 | all those recent distros use the modular X, which allows recompiling separate drivers without having to rebuild the whole X.
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| 03:30 | <ChrisM> which is of course a good thing, but I'm stuck to all the old stuff :/
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| 03:31 | <Q-FUNK> http://emea.kontron.com/products/computeronmodules/xboard/xboard++gp8.html
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| 03:31 | this board?
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| 03:31 | stuck? no way to upgrade the server to something more recent?
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| 03:32 | <ChrisM> this one: http://emea.kontron.com/products/computeronmodules/xboard/xboard+861.html
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| 03:32 | nope, unfortunately that would require a lot of development effort the company is not willing to pay for ^^
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| 03:33 | <Q-FUNK> odd, seeing how the server side is the easiest to upgrade.
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| 03:33 | ChrisM: ok. sc1200. is that standard equipement at your company?
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| 03:34 | <ChrisM> yep, the machines which boot with ltsp all have this x-board
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| 03:35 | unfortunately the driver supplied with ltsp4.2 has some graphical artefacts, which I hope I can get rid of with the custom supplied driver
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| 03:38 | <Q-FUNK> ChrisM: URL to the driver? we're in the process of merging back NSC support into the geode driver
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| 03:39 | if they fixed a few bugs, we'd gladly merge that
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| 03:40 | <ChrisM> should be http://emea.kontron.com/_etc/scripts/download/getdownload.php?downloadId=MzQ2Nw==
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| 03:40 | but if you click the link above, and then downloads you should find it too
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| 03:40 | descr: Accelerated XFree86 4.x.x driver, providing rotation support, panel support and TV out support.
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| 03:40 | <Q-FUNK> ok
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| 03:40 | downloaded
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| 03:42 | <ChrisM> they also have a kernel framebuffer driver for the sc1200
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| 03:43 | <Q-FUNK> the framebuffer is already in the kernel, but in case they have added a few things, I'd download this too
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| 03:43 | url?
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| 03:43 | <ChrisM> http://emea.kontron.com/_etc/scripts/download/getdownload.php?downloadId=MzQ2OA==
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| 03:43 | <Q-FUNK> as a result of OLPC and Artec efforts, a lot of cleanup and merging of third-party patches has been taking place, lately.
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| 03:44 | using kernel 2.6.25 and recent X drivers from the modular tree, we've got nearly spotless support of the whole Geode line.
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| 03:45 | <ChrisM> sounds great
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| 03:45 | oh they also got an audio driver for the geode: http://emea.kontron.com/_etc/scripts/download/getdownload.php?downloadId=MzQ4Nw==
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| 03:45 | maybe that's of help too
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| 03:46 | <Q-FUNK> indeed
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| 03:47 | ChrisM: if they will let you at least backport X and the kernel, you could easily get a clean support on the old LTSP
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| 03:52 | <ChrisM> I'll try to get the custom driver to compile in the unchanged lbe first, before I go that route.
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| 03:55 | is there a way with the old lbe to just build xorg without cleaning it first?
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| 03:59 | <Q-FUNK> that, I wouldn't know. I started with LTSP 5, myself.
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| 04:02 | <ChrisM> lucky you, heh
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| 04:03 | <Q-FUNK> or rather, transitioned straight from home-made Etherboot recipes to LTSP 5
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| 04:10 | <ChrisM> oh we've been using ltsp since version 3
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| 04:11 | <Q-FUNK> and what would be the problem in transitioning to the easily updatable LTSP 5?
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| 04:11 | other than refusing to foot the bill for what they see as developement (which it isn't, unless you use an entirely custom distro)
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| 04:12 | <ChrisM> the fact that we have our own system built on top of suse 9.1 :/
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| 04:12 | <Q-FUNK> hm, ok. and Suse never paid much attention to LTSP. gotcha.
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| 04:13 | <ChrisM> also, we needed kind of a kiosk system with auto login and no way for the user to do any damage
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| 04:14 | <Q-FUNK> currently, I'd say that the best LTSP support, in order, would be in: ubuntu, debian, fedora (rh). mandriva, gentoo and suse simply never jumped onboard.
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| 04:14 | the ubuntu implementation offers a kiosk mode
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| 04:15 | nantes_geek is currently trying to port LTSP 5 to mandriva, with mixed success and warren almost got his team to complete the port to fedora.
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| 04:15 | <ChrisM> i'd switch any minute, but the system is/was already to expansive for the numbers it sells :/
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| 04:15 | <ChrisM> expensive*
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| 04:15 | <Q-FUNK> you mean that your company is selling this as a complete package?!
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| 04:16 | <ChrisM> not really, just the functionality, so to speak
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| 04:16 | <Q-FUNK> some custom application it runs?
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| 04:17 | <ChrisM> nope, mainly sufring with firefox
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| 04:17 | <Q-FUNK> wouldn't it be simpler to package this as a deb or rpm and add it on top of a standard distro that is up to date?
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| 04:18 | <ChrisM> i guess.. the few tcl scripts we have, to show stuff no the client side, could be ported easily...
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| 04:18 | <Q-FUNK> I mean, if the goal is to etherboot a bunch of kiosks from a server, ubuntu does that quite well already.
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| 04:18 | with centralized management tools, too
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| 04:18 | <ChrisM> but since this product is doomed anyway.. the x-board is eol already and the whole thing just doesn't pay off
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| 04:19 | well there's a billing system behind it that has to be included...
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| 04:19 | <Q-FUNK> ChrisM: the deprecated distro and hardware is doomed, but not the concept.
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| 04:19 | <ChrisM> agreed
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| 04:19 | <Q-FUNK> that's another advantage of using LTSP5: you benefit from updated drivers to support tons of different hardware.
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| 04:20 | <ChrisM> ltsp5 is using the distros drivers, right?
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| 04:20 | <Q-FUNK> the only thing you'd need to do is package the billing application into deb or rpm.
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| 04:20 | yes
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| 04:20 | <ChrisM> sweet
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| 04:20 | <Q-FUNK> LTSP5 leverages installation tools from each distro to build a chroot and generate PXE images.
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| 04:21 | then whatever the server side runs is just standard distro.
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| 04:21 | <ChrisM> much better system
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| 04:21 | <Q-FUNK> for hardware, your company could always upgrade to one of these, http://www.artecgroup.com/thincan/models.html
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| 04:22 | still Geode based and, in the case of the DBE60, directly compatible with your existing SC1200 based hardware
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| 04:23 | <ChrisM> but our hardware is more x-board based than anything... we
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| 04:23 | we'd need a compatible replacement for that^^
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| 04:25 | <Q-FUNK> what is your company called? I'm curious to see what you offer.
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| 04:30 | <ChrisM> http://www.schrack-seconet.com/de/artikel/en/Produkte/NurseCall/Kommunikationssystem/detail001510.jsp?msf=10%2C10%2C05
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| 04:30 | that's the thing
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| 04:31 | <ChrisM> your thin cans look sweet, we could maybe use them external and just bringt the video into our terminal
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| 04:32 | but that stuff just doesn't sell to hospitals.. too expensive :/
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| 04:32 | or so it seems
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| 04:34 | say, what's the time jim is usually on here?
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| 04:35 | <johnny> he's not usually speaking much in the channel.. so it's hard to tell
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| 04:35 | you just missed him a few hours ago tho
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| 04:35 | <zeltron> Hi
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| 04:36 | Can someone help me for ldap athentification on ltsp5 with ubuntu 8.04 ?
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| 04:36 | ldap users can log on graphic session on the server (so pam is ok)
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| 04:36 | <ChrisM> johnny: oh too bad.. gotta dive into those makefiles myself then, i guess
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| 04:36 | <zeltron> but not on the client
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| 04:37 | I think it's a problem with ssh connection (used by ldm), but I don't know what to do
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| 04:37 | more precise : ldap ssh authentification
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| 04:38 | Found nothing on google
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| 04:39 | and I'm not a great pam's specialist ;-)
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| 04:57 | <ChrisM> uuh lbe has a very destructive clean command :P
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| 05:14 | <Q-FUNK> ChrisM: we could easily box our motherboard into a custom case with a built-in TFT just like that.
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| 05:36 | <putty_thing> /join #freeradius
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| 05:37 | opps
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| 05:57 | <tarzeau> does any of you use xmove?
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| 05:59 | * ogra wouldnt recommend it in production | |
| 05:59 | <ogra> i played a bit with it ages ago
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| 06:00 | its only a proof of concept thingie written for a thesis
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| 06:01 | there are some saner (even though not proper) ways to do it with xvfb in combo with vnc so you can "park" your session in the framebuffer if you disconnect vnc
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| 06:02 | <tarzeau> ogra: would it be possible to disconnect the x session on ltsp terminals and continue it on another?
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| 06:02 | ogra: like they do with the sun rays?
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| 06:02 | <ogra> right
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| 06:02 | but there is currently not a single sane approach to that in X
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| 06:03 | i was discussing exactly that with davidZ last night over a beer
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| 06:03 | :)
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| 06:03 | <tarzeau> hehe interesting
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| 06:03 | <ogra> lets see if we can come up with ideas during the conference
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| 06:03 | <cyberorg> hi ogra
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| 06:04 | * ogra goes to lunch before they grabed everything | |
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| 06:19 | <ChrisM> hm.. now my driver's missing a symbol: XAACopyROP... does that ring a bell with anyone?
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| 06:48 | <ChrisM> do i have to add libxaa or xaa to my XF86config file to enable it for an accelerated driver?
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| 06:49 | <Q-FUNK> hmm...
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| 06:49 | it's been so long since we did anything with this
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| 06:50 | <ChrisM> the driver compiled fine, but now it's complaining about a symbol from libxaa.. but it's in there
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| 06:52 | <ChrisM> but that symbol is only used by my new module.. others use stuff from xaa too but not the same :/
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| 06:52 | weird
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| 06:56 | .
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| 07:03 | <ChrisM> okay nm shows the symbol in the lib
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| 07:04 | did a grep before^^
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| 07:04 | clueless now..
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| 07:15 | <sep> is it possible to use ltsp as both thinclient and diskeless from the same chroot ? (and on the same network) eg using a boot argument or something ?
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| 07:19 | <ChrisM> can you elaborate on the question sep?
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| 07:20 | <sep> ChrisM, i usualy run ltsp5 as diskless workstations on one network and thincleint on another network, and the net connection specify if it's a workstation or a thinclient. now i'd like to run them on the same network and wonder how to do it
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| 07:20 | from the same chroot
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| 07:23 | <Blinny> Good morning! Made the switch to LTSP5 and Ubuntu 8.04 from FC6 last night - One of my users is booting into 640x350, even though X_MODE_0 is set to 1024x768 for him. Once he logs in, I can manually change resolution using System->Preferences->Screen Resolution. How can I get his ldm to be at the same resolution as his desktop?
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| 07:36 | <sep> Blinny, tried setting sync and refresh ?
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| 07:38 | <Blinny> sep: No, not yet - I don't know the ranges.
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| 07:39 | <Blinny> I thought maybe it was some weird gnome setting being saved b/c if I set it manually he can log in just fine (as long as he can figure out where to put the username/password at 640x350)
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| 07:42 | <sep> ohhhh its just a different runlevel
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| 07:42 | sexy !
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| 07:46 | <Blinny> Pardon?
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| 07:46 | <sep> Blinny, just found the answer to my own question
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| 07:46 | allwatys help to ask on irc. i think google monitors me, and hide the relevant hits until i have asked on irc
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| 08:45 | <comete> hi
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| 08:45 | i use edubuntu 8.04
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| 08:45 | and i've made an update today
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| 08:46 | but now i can't login on a thin client
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| 08:46 | it is "verifying password" endless
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| 08:47 | <shawnp0wers> cyberorg: thanks for the link on your blog, I'd love to see LTSP get some Digg front page attention
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| 08:47 | <comete> do you encounter similar problem with last updates ?
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| 08:47 | <shawnp0wers> comete: I had that same problem
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| 08:47 | exact same problem
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| 08:48 | <shawnp0wers> I'm not sure what step I did fixed it... but I'll get a link to the things I tried
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| 08:48 | <cyberorg> Shawn_Powers, you are welcome, great overview btw :)
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| 08:48 | <comete> shawnp0wers, oh thanks
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| 08:49 | shawnp0wers, could you give it to me please ?
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| 08:49 | <shawnp0wers> it was a 2 step "do this first, then this" but I'm googling for the steps
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| 08:49 | sorry, I tried lots of stuff
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| 08:49 | and I didn't write down what worked. ;)
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| 08:50 | <cyberorg> Shawn_Powers, the post shows up on planetsuse.org and http://planet-india.randomink.org/
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| 08:50 | hi jammcq
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| 08:50 | <shawnp0wers> (awesome cyberorg -- hopefully the audience are full of diggers. ;)
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| 08:51 | <jammcq> hey cyberorg
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| 08:51 | <shawnp0wers> People smarter than me: There was a 2 step process I did, it took a while, and then my thin clients could log in, anyone have a guess what "standard" steps I did
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| 08:51 | I'm googling, but darned if I can remember
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| 08:52 | <cyberorg> jammcq, digg this :) http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/ltsp-5-making-thin-clients-phat
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| 08:52 | <comete> i've got another problem with nautilus which don't use umask value
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| 08:52 | <shawnp0wers> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/231003
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| 08:52 | Try that comete
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| 08:52 | <comete> shawnp0wers, thanks a lot
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| 08:56 | shawnp0wers, it returns : WARNING: /opt/ltsp/swap/etc/ssh not found. skipping..
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| 08:59 | <Blinny> comete: You need to ltsp-update-sshkeys; ltsp-update-image
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| 08:59 | <comete> how can i know if a thin client uses its local swap instead of nbd_swap ?
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| 09:00 | Blinny, i try
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| 09:03 | ouraaahhhh it works ! thanks a lot
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| 09:03 | * shawnp0wers does a happy dance | |
| 09:03 | <Blinny> No worries mate. Has to do w/ the libssl update upstream.
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| 09:03 | <shawnp0wers> hey, you don't know, I might be a good dancer
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| 09:03 | ;)
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| 09:06 | <comete> does anybody know how to avoid multiple local devices icons to appear on the desktop of each thin client ?
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| 09:06 | i have lots of floppies icons
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| 09:06 | <ogra> comete, make sure you have hardy-updates enabled
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| 09:06 | <comete> ogra, i have it
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| 09:06 | <ogra> the fixed glib package is there
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| 09:07 | <comete> i made the update this morning but it's still here
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| 09:07 | <ogra> hmm, or it probably wasnt moved from hardy-proposed yet, not sure the 7 day test quarantaine is over yet
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| 09:07 | (packages have to sit there for 7 days and need two positive approvals before they can enter -updates)
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| 09:08 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/210379
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| 09:10 | <comete> ogra, ok i will wait
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| 09:10 | no one for my problem with nautilus and umask ?
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| 09:10 | i've tried pam_umask, /etc/profile, /etc/login.defs but it only works in a terminal
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| 09:11 | <ogra> you coud use hardy-proposed, but that has the danger in it that you might catch broken untested packages as well
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| 09:11 | <comete> ogra, i know i prefer to wait :)
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| 10:18 | <Blinny> Processes aren't being killed when a user restarts the XServer using ctrl+alt+backspace, and then logs back in - the re-login gets lots of errors, even after a terminal reboot
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| 10:18 | Ubuntu 8.04
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| 11:11 | <gerardfarras> Hi to all. I'm here because I need some help. Since I updated my LTSP server with new OpenSSL package, users can't valide through thin-clients.
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| 11:11 | Anybody can/want to help me? Any idea?
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| 11:11 | Thanks :-)
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| 11:19 | <Gadi> gerardfarras: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 11:19 | then, reboot the terminal
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| 11:19 | <gerardfarras> Yes! I'm searched in the archives... Sorry...
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| 11:31 | <gbolte> !seen ogra
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| 11:31 | <ltspbot> gbolte: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 2 hours, 20 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <ogra> you coud use hardy-proposed, but that has the danger in it that you might catch broken untested packages as well
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| 11:31 | <gbolte> damn 2 hours too late
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| 11:39 | <dberkholz> Q-FUNK: "never jumped onboard" is a bit harsh, both gentoo and suse are working on implementations
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| 11:40 | * gbolte is battling with kiwi-ltsp right now | |
| 11:40 | <gbolte> hehe
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| 11:41 | trying to figure out why the hell they didnt include python into the terminal clients even though we need it to run jetpipe for local printers
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| 11:42 | <warren> hmm, jetpipe can't do serial printers?
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| 11:43 | <gbolte> I am trying to make it work on a usb printer but it will not work because python is not installed
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| 11:43 | lol
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| 11:44 | <warren> what distro?
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| 11:44 | <gbolte> opensuse
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| 11:44 | :)
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| 11:58 | <cyberorg> gbolte, ah, i removed everything python after ldm switched to c
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| 11:58 | <gbolte> cyberorg, we need it
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| 11:58 | :)
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| 11:59 | jetpipe dosent work with out it
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| 11:59 | :P
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| 11:59 | <cyberorg> gbolte, make another bug report please :)
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| 11:59 | <gbolte> hehe
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| 11:59 | alright
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| 11:59 | :)
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| 12:00 | cyberorg, did you see the news about the mounts yesterday
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| 12:00 | <cyberorg> what news?
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| 12:01 | <gbolte> well we got it so that devices only show on the desktop of the user that owns it
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| 12:02 | localdev
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| 12:02 | <cyberorg> gbolte, btw, about the ldm after wrong passwd, hit ctrl+alt+backspace, it should get you ldm again
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| 12:02 | gbolte, how?
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| 12:02 | <gbolte> cyberorg, yeah I tried that but it just crashes ldm
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| 12:02 | lol
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| 12:03 | cyberorg, well my co-worker fixed lbmount
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| 12:03 | :P
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| 12:03 | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=526320#c23
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| 12:03 | apperently it wasnt broken for others but it fixes the issue for us
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| 12:05 | anyway when we tried to do just the gio patch and the permission with opensuse 11 devices would not show for anyone because the folders were owned by root
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| 12:06 | so he patched it to make the folders that were created be owned by the user who mounted it
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| 12:06 | then everything worked perfect
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| 12:07 | <cyberorg> gbolte, make a bug with lbmount patch too, i'll add it to next update till it makes it upstream
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| 12:08 | i'd be doing new release in couple of days
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| 12:08 | <gbolte> cyberorg, alright dose it go in the devzilla thing again
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| 12:09 | <cyberorg> gbolte, yes, that is how i'd be able to track it :)
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| 12:09 | <gbolte> k
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| 12:12 | jetpipe is submitted
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| 12:12 | <cyberorg> gbolte, thanks
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| 12:23 | <gbolte> btw cyberorg jakobs "patch" isn't really in patch format so you will have to manually edit the lines in lbmount most likely
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| 12:24 | but its just a handful of lines so it should be not a huge deal
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| 12:24 | <cyberorg> gbolte, hmm, any way to get diff -u oldfile newfile > newpatch.diff
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| 12:24 | ok
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| 12:25 | <gbolte> cyberorg, hmm I suppose I could try that
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| 12:25 | :)
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| 12:26 | <gbolte> jakob is making a diff file now
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| 12:30 | <Blinny> Ubuntu 8.04 - My users' local devices are showing up on one user's desktop - How can I prevent this?
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| 12:32 | Hrm. Unchecking 'volumes_visible' in gconf-editor->apps->nautilus seems to fix the problem.
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| 12:56 | <gbolte> cyberorg, I created the report for the local storage and included the patch in diff format
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| 12:58 | http://devzilla.novell.com/kiwi-ltsp/show_bug.cgi?id=10
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| 12:58 | <cyberorg> gbolte, thanks again, will apply in next release:)
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| 12:58 | <gbolte> cool
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| 12:58 | :D
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| 13:00 | <gbolte> cyberorg, also is there any way that we could get the ltspfs rpm package to set the correct permissions on the /usr/bin/lbmount on install
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| 13:00 | so that users do not have to manually chmod +s it to make things work
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| 13:00 | <cyberorg> gbolte, yes, i disabled it due to this bug
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| 13:00 | <gbolte> ooooh
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| 13:00 | ok
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| 13:01 | cool
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| 13:02 | with any luck we will get some more people to test this patched version out
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| 13:02 | <cyberorg> gbolte, it requires patching other gnome stuff too?
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| 13:03 | <gbolte> glib2
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| 13:03 | yes
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| 13:03 | gio
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| 13:03 | <cyberorg> :( that would go to hpj and take time
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| 13:03 | <gbolte> yeah I was worried about that
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| 13:04 | <cyberorg> gbolte, i don't see the diff
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| 13:04 | <gbolte> http://devzilla.novell.com/kiwi-ltsp/attachment.cgi?id=3&action=view
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| 13:05 | <cyberorg> ah, ok, was looking for it in notification mail i got from devzilla
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| 13:05 | <gbolte> :)
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| 13:09 | <gbolte> lol @ http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=526320#c28
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| 13:09 | if it did work for us why would we bother making the patch
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| 13:09 | :P
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| 13:11 | <cyberorg> gbolte, don't laugh at warren, he gets emotional easily with anything coming from openSUSE users ;)
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| 13:11 | <gbolte> :P
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| 13:11 | its ok
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| 13:12 | we are just special
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| 13:12 | our distro has its own little quarks
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| 13:12 | <cyberorg> gbolte, we can't beat debian's openssl though
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| 13:12 | <gbolte> :D
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| 13:13 | <johnny> hey...
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| 13:13 | <cyberorg> hi johnny :)
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| 13:13 | * gbolte makes note not to offend warren | |
| 13:13 | <gbolte> ;)
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| 13:13 | brb
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| 13:13 | <cyberorg> how is it going for you, hear you are real close?
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| 13:14 | <johnny> not that i'm a debian user on my own machines..
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| 13:16 | <cyberorg> johnny, right, you are on the most sublime distro - gentoo :)
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| 13:18 | <dberkholz> cyberorg: hey, it would be really nice to post summaries of your irc meetings. logs aren't fun to read
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| 13:18 | <gbolte> haha
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| 13:18 | <cyberorg> dberkholz, summary in blog posts
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| 13:19 | <gbolte> cyberorg, in my other life (away from work) I use ubuntu
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| 13:20 | johnny, so you are heading up ltsp5 on gentoo?
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| 13:20 | <johnny> cyberorg, my ltsp installs is ubuntu, cuz that is what was there when i got involved in this company
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| 13:20 | <cyberorg> gbolte, well i love all Linux distros, i started with kanotix which is debian based, then used fedora for some time, and now i use suse, and promote sabayon(gentoo) live CDs when people want to try compiz fusion
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| 13:20 | <johnny> gbolte, i don't know about heading up :)
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| 13:20 | <dberkholz> gbolte: we've got a deal, he does the work and i take the credit. =P
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| 13:20 | <johnny> gbolte, but i got it booting from ltsp-build-client now, only manual stop is fixing up the initramfs
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| 13:20 | <gbolte> hahaha
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| 13:20 | nice
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| 13:21 | <dberkholz> i'm more of a proxy committer and reviewer, actually
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| 13:21 | <johnny> the default doesn't include enough network drivers
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| 13:21 | <gbolte> cool I am glad to hear that gentoo is making headway
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| 13:21 | <johnny> dberkholz, after my site is up , i'll be back working on the initramfs overlay
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| 13:21 | <dberkholz> cool
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| 13:21 | <johnny> then we should be able to install from scratch and it'll work
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| 13:22 | minus nbd initially.. but that's ok for now
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| 13:22 | <gbolte> I will be happy once I get printing to work
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| 13:22 | <johnny> i should run another smoketest now that i added CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK
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| 13:23 | =""
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| 13:23 | <gbolte> cyberorg, do you know if it is possible to build 10.3 images on 11
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| 13:23 | <johnny> dberkholz, i'm also pretty sure that we don't need the rcs whitelist at all
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| 13:23 | <cyberorg> warren, is lp_server python based? if isn't i'd drop jetpipe and go for it instead
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| 13:23 | <johnny> it boots from scratch
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| 13:23 | <dberkholz> johnny: yeah, we can leave it out and experiment with time differences in booting
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| 13:23 | <gbolte> cyberorg, they dumped lp_server in favor of jetpipe
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| 13:23 | <cyberorg> gbolte, it is possible to build any version on all versions of suse
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| 13:23 | <johnny> should i leave the file and comment it? or delete the file
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| 13:24 | <dberkholz> johnny: just delete it
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| 13:24 | <gbolte> cyberorg, https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/ltsp/feisty-ltsp-jetpipe
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| 13:25 | er ogra did
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| 13:25 | <johnny> altho if it is common/ i'm going to have to keep it there.. lemme check
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| 13:25 | just empty
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| 13:26 | ok.. i can delete it
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| 13:26 | <cyberorg> gbolte, we have jetpipe installed, will fix the python bits, i wanted to get rid of python
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| 13:26 | <gbolte> ah
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| 13:26 | not a fan eh
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| 13:27 | oh wait you are still trying to get the image size smaller
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| 13:27 | <johnny> that'll be our next thing ...
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| 13:27 | get the image size smaller..
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| 13:27 | <gbolte> the nbd image is sorta big
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| 13:28 | <cyberorg> gbolte, yes, i want to make it about 60 - 70M, but dont think it will go below our current 100M
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| 13:28 | <gbolte> hmm yeah
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| 13:28 | mine is quite large
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| 13:28 | lol
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| 13:28 | <cyberorg> gbolte, ubuntu is 150 i think, it doesnt really matter
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| 13:28 | <gbolte> mine is 324MB
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| 13:28 | <cyberorg> what have you got in there, kitchen sink?
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| 13:29 | <johnny> cyberorg, where have you been anyways :)
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| 13:29 | <gbolte> nvidia drivers
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| 13:29 | <johnny> gbolte has been wanting to talk to you for awhile :)
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| 13:29 | <gbolte> lol
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| 13:29 | well I think I have got most of what I wanted to talk about out
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| 13:29 | :D
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| 13:29 | <johnny> yeah, looks like it
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| 13:29 | <cyberorg> johnny, he pings at odd hours :P
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| 13:29 | <johnny> sure, but you haven't beeen very talkative in general
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| 13:29 | <gbolte> cyberorg, its 11:29AM here
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| 13:30 | <cyberorg> it is almost midnight here
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| 13:30 | <johnny> whoa
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| 13:30 | <cyberorg> just 1200
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| 13:30 | <johnny> almost 12 hours :)
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| 13:31 | <gbolte> cyberorg, you are in germany right?
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| 13:31 | <cyberorg> gbolte, india :)
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| 13:32 | <gbolte> oh
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| 13:32 | I was off a bit
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| 13:33 | <johnny> dberkholz, i might make it out to portland
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| 13:33 | <likuidkewl> Does anyone know how to mount local devices such that they do not show up under the places->removable media section of all the ltsp users?
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| 13:33 | <gbolte> cyberorg, do you know a guy named zonker
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| 13:33 | <dberkholz> johnny: cool!
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| 13:33 | <cyberorg> gbolte, who doesnt?
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| 13:34 | <gbolte> :D
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| 13:34 | <johnny> dberkholz, it's like around $600 to go from here to austin to portland to here
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| 13:34 | <dberkholz> what's in austin?
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| 13:34 | <gbolte> he was at Linuxfest northwest here in Washington state
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| 13:34 | <dberkholz> i didn't make it up to that. too much else going on..
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| 13:34 | <johnny> one of my colleagues for web devel
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| 13:34 | he wants to me to come down and help him setup monotone vcs, and make things easier for him :)
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| 13:34 | gonna pay for it too
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| 13:35 | so.. my total travel costs are proly gonna be $300ish
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| 13:35 | which is much more affordable
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| 13:35 | thus the detour
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| 13:35 | i just hope he gets better
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| 13:35 | he is very ill atm
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| 13:35 | i'm very concerned
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| 13:36 | <gbolte> johnny, so you live in portland?
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| 13:36 | or you are going to portland
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| 13:36 | <johnny> trying to go
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| 13:37 | <gbolte> ah
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| 13:37 | <johnny> i live in baltimore
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| 13:37 | <gbolte> I see
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| 13:37 | <likuidkewl> I am thinking it has something to do with the automount feature in ltspfs but I don't see much information on it anywhere
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| 13:37 | <johnny> likuidkewl, a fix for that should be ready to be included in hardy
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| 13:37 | <cyberorg> dberkholz, the summary http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/2008/05/16/this-week/
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| 13:37 | <johnny> altho it's still not working for me
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| 13:38 | <gbolte> johnny, pdx is within driving distance of me if I wanted to drive 3hrs
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| 13:38 | <likuidkewl> Johnny: Thanks for the info. Do happen to know the bug #(s)?
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| 13:39 | <johnny> likuidkewl, not off the top of my head
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| 13:39 | <likuidkewl> ok - off to search
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| 13:39 | <johnny> gbolte, do you know the driving time for me? :)
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| 13:39 | it's something like 5 days :)
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| 13:39 | <gbolte> :P
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| 13:52 | <likuidkewl> Johnny, thanks for the "heads up" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltspfs/+bug/210379
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| 14:12 | <gbolte> damn just as cyborg leaves I need to ask another question
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| 14:12 | lol
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| 14:12 | er
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| 14:12 | cyberorg
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| 14:12 | * gbolte will call him cyborg from now on | |
| 14:12 | <gbolte> ;)
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| 14:14 | <exodos> if someone is intrested: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4928900 looks like a definite fix for flash+pulseaudio issues
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| 14:15 | <gbolte> ???
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| 14:15 | I just installed the libflashsupport package and it works
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| 14:15 | :)
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| 14:16 | <exodos> gbolte: good for you
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| 14:16 | i had problems since gutsy
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| 14:16 | <gbolte> ah
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| 14:16 | I see
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| 14:20 | <exodos> and now it looks like flash10 beta can directly use pcm.pulse from libasound2-plugins, making libflashsupport unnecessary (in fact it is still crashing firefox on affected systems)
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| 14:21 | <johnny> yay..
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| 14:21 | i meant to ask about that
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| 19:16 | <achandrashekar> hello..ive been looking at a loadbalanced ltsp approach for a few days now. With about 100 p3 nodes with 383 mb a piece and two athlon xps... im looking for clean setu
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| 19:16 | but..
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| 19:16 | i dont wanna use the typical failover dhcp method
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| 19:16 | i want to do some work with clustering the nodes.. and there is VERY little info
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| 19:17 | anyone have any info on this?>
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| 19:17 | i contacted mille-xterm peeps..with no answer..which seems to be one of the few places with a solution.
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| 19:17 | anyone??
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| 19:23 | <kikin> hola buenas tardes dias o noche segun sea el caso
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| 19:23 | alguien puede ayudarme con un problema de un cliente
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| 19:23 | utilizo edubuntu 6.0
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| 19:25 | aparecen los siguientes errores en mi cliente
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| 19:25 | nfsmount failed: bad file descriptor
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| 19:27 | Please Help
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| 19:36 | <Ryan52> kikin: habla usted Inglés?
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| 19:36 | kikin: Do you speak english?
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| 19:38 | kikin: what does /var/log/messages say on the server? any nfs errors?
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| 19:38 | kikin: lo que hace / var / log / messages decir en el servidor? cualquier NFS errores?
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| 19:40 | <kikin> no hablo mucho ingles
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| 19:41 | I don Speak english
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| 19:42 | I speak inglish Litle
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| 19:42 | <Ryan52> kikin: No sé español pero sé cómo utilizar traductor Google :D
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| 19:43 | <kikin> ok
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| 19:43 | <Ryan52> kikin: Entonces, ¿qué hace /var/log/messages decir?
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| 19:44 | <kikin> Ryan52: Acabo de instalar edubuntu 6.0
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| 19:44 | con ltsp
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| 19:44 | mi problema es
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| 19:44 | que cuando arranco un cliente, primero aparece edubunto cargando
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| 19:45 | pero luego se sale de la pantalla y me manda el a la consola
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| 19:46 | colocandome estos errores moumtin 192.168.1.25 on /root failed: invalid argument
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| 19:47 | mounting: /sys on /root/sys failed: no such file or directory
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| 19:47 | y al final de todo esto
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| 19:47 | <Ryan52> kikin: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/fstab
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| 19:48 | ¿Se puede pegar ese archivo?
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| 19:48 | <kikin> /bib/sh: can't access tty; control turned off
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| 19:48 | <Ryan52> kikin: en el servidor?
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| 19:49 | <kikin> me quieres decir que el archivo opt/ltsp/i386/etc/fstab
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| 19:50 | que difil es hablar diferentes idiomas jejeje
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| 19:50 | <Ryan52> que difil es hablar diferentes idiomas jejeje
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| 19:50 | esto es demasiado difícil de entender. lo siento no puedo ayudarle
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| 19:50 | <kikin> ryan52: ahorita estoy en ubuntu por que mi servidor no tiene acceso a internet por que solo tiene una Nic
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| 19:50 | Ryan52
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| 19:51 | y si tu me escribes en ibngles y yo trato de entenderte
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| 19:51 | if you writen in inglish and I can Understan
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| 19:51 | <Ryan52> okay. so what does /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/fstab have in it (on the server)?
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| 19:56 | <kikin> my client gives me this error: nfsmount failed: bad file description.
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| 19:57 | he route you gave me for it?
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| 19:58 | fstab
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| 19:58 | <Ryan52> pastebin these files from your server: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/fstab and /var/log/messages and /etc/exports
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| 20:01 | <slashdotfx> anyone know where can I get patched ldm to enable autologin, I'm using feisty xubuntu
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| 20:01 | <kikin> The problem is that I am not in the server I'm in another machine, that my server does not have access to Internet
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| 20:01 | <slashdotfx> I've just update the ltsp chroot this morning, and notice the autologin doesn't work anymore
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| 20:02 | had to manually supply user+passwd on the graphical login
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| 20:02 | <Ryan52> kikin: the only way to fix it (or even debug) is on the server
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| 20:02 | kikin: but on the client look at /proc/cmdline or /etc/fstab
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| 20:03 | slashdotfx: the newest one does. (I think)
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| 20:03 | slashdotfx: what do you have set in /etc/lts.conf and what does /var/log/ldm.log on the client say?
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| 20:04 | <slashdotfx> Ryan52: I'm setting LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD for each client, it works before I "apt upgrade" this morning
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| 20:05 | <kikin> if, but since I do not have another machine
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| 20:05 | I like that problem Arrangements
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| 20:05 | <slashdotfx> Ryan52: seems there is no /var/log/ldm.log in my chroot
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| 20:06 | <kikin> Tell me as I Arrangements note and apply it
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| 20:06 | <Ryan52> slashdotfx: set LDM_AUTOLOGIN=true (or something like that, check the documentation)
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| 20:07 | slashdotfx: the documentation should be in /usr/share/doc/ldm/
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| 20:07 | kikin: If one client works and another doesnt it could be bad hardware...if thats what your talking about.
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| 20:08 | <slashdotfx> Ryan52: ok, I'll take a look, thank you
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| 20:08 | <kikin> does not work any of my clients
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| 20:09 | <Ryan52> kikin: then you gotta look at the server's configuration files.
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| 20:12 | <kikin> the truth is that the file dhcp what is set to leave the example I do not know if you have to attach other line
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| 20:12 | <slashdotfx> Ryan52: I've add LDM_AUTOLOGIN, it doesn't work, and from /usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/, no such directive exist
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| 20:15 | <Ryan52> slashdotfx: Im not sure how it currently is. I havent worked on ltsp for a while. Let me check...
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| 20:16 | LDM_AUTOLOGIN=TRUE is what I have and it worked (as of a few months ago)
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| 20:17 | <slashdotfx> yes, I've read ltsp mailing list archive, it works
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| 20:28 | <kikin> Brother we have if I connect and then I manads a manualito easy for these terminals instlar thanks cuidate
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| 20:30 | <johnny> it was broken in fstiy
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| 20:30 | fesity
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| 20:30 | feisty*
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| 20:31 | you should upgrade
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| 20:32 | <johnny> you're less likely to find help with any of the older stuff here
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| 20:32 | that's what support contracts are for i guess..
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| 20:33 | <slashdotfx> johnny: I think feisty is still supported, at least for the next couple of months
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| 20:34 | <johnny> yes.. supported by canoncial
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| 20:35 | not so much by the users you might get help from
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| 20:35 | <slashdotfx> ic, i get your point
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| 21:04 | <slashdotfx> I've integrate Gideon Romm ldm autologin patch against the original updated ldm package, and now it works again
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| 21:07 | <vagrantc> the newer versions of ldm require LDM_AUTOLOGIN=true to be set.
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| 21:10 | <slashdotfx> yes, before the patch, I've done that, and doesn't work, also with LDM_SERVER too
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| 21:11 | <vagrantc> well, version 2.0.3+ in debian work like a charm.
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| 21:26 | <slashdotfx> I've just found out, new ldm code was rewritten in C, in my feisty its still in python
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| 21:33 | <Ryan52> slashdotfx: thats really old then!
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| 21:34 | <slashdotfx> yes, but it works (TM) :)
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