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Channel log from 25 August 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:56 | <Pascal_1> Bonjour
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| 03:35 | <alkisg> Hello, is it possible for ltsp clients to use the swap *file* from a local linux installation, instead of a swap partition?
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| 03:37 | <johnny> yes.. USE_LOCAL_SWAP or something
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| 03:37 | err
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| 03:37 | wait
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| 03:37 | sorry.. perhaps not, but seems not to hard
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| 03:37 | thought i saw you wanted local vs remote.. not file vs partition
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| 03:38 | <alkisg> johnny hi, yeah, it probably means patching some init scripts
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| 03:38 | <johnny> yeah.. but not too difficutl
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| 03:38 | <alkisg> So you think it can be done? I'm not looking for *how* it is done now, just the possibility, to format the clients in one partition instead of two... (small disks)
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| 03:38 | <johnny> just edit your distro's config files.. i think there is even some relatively common stuff
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| 03:39 | <alkisg> johnny, ubuntu 8.04.1
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| 03:39 | <johnny> yeah.. it shouldn't be that hard.. just see how USE_LOCAL_SWAP does
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| 03:40 | then you'd talk to the folks here in a few hours and ask them what syntax should be for lts.conf
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| 03:40 | <alkisg> how is the swap file usually named? /swapfile?
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| 03:40 | <johnny> uhmm? swap files are a rarity.. i don't think there is any general name
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| 03:40 | generic*
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| 03:41 | you'd prolly just pass the path
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| 03:41 | <alkisg> hm... ok, I was looking to named it in a standard way. I thought with kernel 2.6 swap files are as fast as swap partitions, so more people would use them... anyway! :)
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| 03:41 | <johnny> old habits die hard i gues
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| 03:42 | <alkisg> heh... yeah! I think that about mailing lists vs forums! ;)
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| 03:42 | <lejo> not having to swap is even better ;-)
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| 03:43 | <alkisg> Well, with ltsp, local apps and 128 RAM I don't think I can avoid it!!!
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| 03:43 | <johnny> forums kinda suck tho
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| 03:43 | you could use nbd swap too ...
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| 03:43 | <alkisg> It's the people (in the forums), not the layout that makes the content...
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| 03:43 | <johnny> sure.. but i hate having to go to their site
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| 03:43 | with email.. i have it all in one place
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| 03:44 | now.. if somebody made forum software on top of nntp...
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| 03:44 | or imap
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| 03:44 | <alkisg> nbd is automatically used, but I think that local swap (even with ancient hard drives) would be faster... I have just a humble 100mbps network...
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| 03:44 | <johnny> then you could subscribe to it
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| 03:44 | and then folks coudl use the web interface if they wanted.. and i can bookmark and keep certain posts for my own searching.. and reply directly from within an interface i am familiar with
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| 03:45 | <alkisg> To be honest, I'd prefer a wikipedia-style forum (not bbcode), with email integration (send/receive), not only rss...
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| 03:45 | <johnny> email on it's own is kinda lame tho.. since you can't easily get the archive of older stuff
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| 03:45 | if you used imap.. you get all that for free
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| 03:45 | <alkisg> And the hierarchy of forums beats mail clients... Also access lists (security/hidden boards), banning etc... the "new stuff"
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| 03:46 | <johnny> sure.. but you can do that with imap
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| 03:46 | <alkisg> Imap is good, but imap clients suck! :)
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| 03:46 | ...and servers!
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| 03:46 | <johnny> i'm pretty happy with dovecot so far
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| 03:46 | <alkisg> e.g. gmail / evolution / thunderbird
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| 03:46 | <johnny> evo is ok enough
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| 03:46 | a bit slow
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| 03:46 | <alkisg> claws / mutt / dovecot is good, but not for the average joe...
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| 03:46 | <johnny> average joe doesn't need a server :)
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| 03:47 | average joe can use the web interface
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| 03:47 | altho they are missing all the lovely bits of keeping the sites they like all together in one place
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| 03:47 | currently i'm using evo + evolution-rss for rss feeds
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| 03:47 | <alkisg> I tried to install dovecot to transfer my mails from outlook to evolution: uploading 20000 mails never finished, so I used thunderbird for the migration... :(
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| 03:47 | <johnny> why would you do that? can't you just import directly?
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| 03:47 | <alkisg> (outlook fault, not dovecot)
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| 03:48 | <johnny> without setting up any server
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| 03:48 | <alkisg> Headers lost, charset mismatches etc
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| 03:48 | <johnny> thunderbird did do a good job with my outlook conversion tho
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| 03:48 | but i didn't have a large or insane mailbox at teh time
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| 03:48 | <alkisg> Thunderbird uses windows MAPI to get the mails, and it's the best route I've seen so far, but it corrupts some headers
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| 03:48 | <johnny> that was when i was still using windows
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| 03:48 | aha..
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| 03:49 | so i got lucky
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| 03:49 | shortly after .. i migrated to linux
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| 03:49 | <alkisg> Well, you're in us, I'm in greece, charset support sucks! :P
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| 03:49 | <johnny> :(
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| 03:49 | <alkisg> I've migrated since 5 months now, I don't think I'll ever go back
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| 03:50 | I don't miss anything, just having some problems exchanging silly .doc format...
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| 03:51 | <johnny> been quite some years for me now..
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| 03:51 | wow..
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| 03:51 | 6 years now
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| 03:52 | where does the time go..
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| 03:52 | <alkisg> Heh... how time goes by...
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| 03:52 | I'm just sorry for the 15+ years I invested learning windows api programming!
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| 03:52 | <johnny> ouch
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| 03:52 | <alkisg> I could know all gnu/linux inside/out by now...
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| 03:53 | <johnny> well you missed alot of nastiness
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| 03:53 | things have evolved really quickly on the last few years
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| 03:53 | before that.. not so good
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| 03:53 | <alkisg> I've seen debian 4 gears ago, and ubuntu this year, I was amazed by the changes (not dut to ubuntu of course, the whole thing)
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| 03:53 | /dut/due
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| 03:54 | And greek support is fine... Not long ago we would have to spend a week to get greek character set everywhere
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| 03:54 | ...the joy of utf8!
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| 03:55 | <johnny> well good :)
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| 03:55 | <alkisg> What I really miss is a "how to contribute" for newbies, but *not* for a specific distro
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| 03:56 | <alkisg> E.g. I want to insert greek characters (with fontforge) in tahoma for wine and I'm using ubuntu, I really don't know where I should ask for this to go upstream... :)
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| 03:58 | Anyway johnny thanks for your help! Bye...
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| 03:59 | <djacidjac> hi, newbie here. trying to get ltsp working with one server and one client. the server has only one NIC and I'm not connected to the internet. I have a router handy if i need it. I have looked for hours but I do not know how to configure the server NIC. Any suggestions?
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| 03:59 | <alkisg> Which distro?
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| 03:59 | <djacidjac> ubuntu 8
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| 04:00 | <Ryan52> djacidjac: 8 what?
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| 04:00 | <alkisg> ok, you want to be able to see internet?
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| 04:00 | <johnny> the problems are so different , it's hard to make a generic how to contribute how to, that is anything more than basic common sense
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| 04:00 | <Ryan52> nevermind, I doubt anybody is using intrepid yet.
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| 04:02 | <alkisg> djacidjac, I got to go, so very quickly to get you started: put static ip 192.168.0.1, sudo dhcp-reconfigure dhcp3-server => listen on eth0, reset (to restart dhcp) and you should be good to go.
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| 04:02 | <djacidjac> ok, thx
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| 04:06 | <alkisg> ogra hi, just a yes/no answer (not a how to), is it possible for ltsp clients to use a local swap *file* (not partition)?
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| 04:09 | anyway, got to go, bye everyone.
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| 04:17 | <djacidjac> alkisg, if you havn't left yet, to set my static ip; what should broadcast and gateway be set to? sorry to ask, but i need to.
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| 04:29 | <djacidjac> can anyone point me to a comprehensive resource on how to successfully set my NIC to a satic IP?
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| 04:35 | <johnny> djacidjac, sure.. ubuntu has nice docs i imagine
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| 04:35 | there's probably even a GUI
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| 04:35 | i just edited the file /etc/network/interfaces, but you would probably want to read about that file before editing it directly.. the GUI tools are just too slow for me
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| 04:35 | <djacidjac> well i've been looking and i can't seem to get any nic network settings to work.
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| 04:37 | <johnny> did you try lookingfor a gui under the administration menu for network settings/
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| 04:37 | <djacidjac> i have a few basic questions actually. maybe you could shed some light on for me; do i need to use a router if i only want one client? -could i plug each computers nic into the other directly?
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| 04:37 | <johnny> sure.. but you won't get any internet
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| 04:37 | <djacidjac> would a gui auto-fill the info i don't know such as "broadcast" and "gateway"
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| 04:38 | <johnny> you can leave them default in 99% of cases
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| 04:38 | <djacidjac> I don't want any internet. i'm just trying to get this to work as simply as possible first.
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| 04:38 | <johnny> and you might need a crossover cable..
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| 04:38 | depends on if your network cards can sense them or not.. many newer ones can, but i don't know about yours
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| 04:39 | <djacidjac> I can file-share with a standard cable. does that indicate that i don't need a crossover cable for ltsp?
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| 04:39 | <johnny> probably
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| 04:43 | <djacidjac> i'm about to look for a gui, gotta fix my /network first.
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| 04:47 | any idea what "gateway" affects if i have no router and no internet connection?
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| 04:49 | <johnny> not much
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| 06:49 | <djacidjac> can anyone recomend an inexpensive bootable NIC?
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| 08:23 | <_UsUrPeR_> morning al
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| 08:23 | err all
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| 08:24 | <_UsUrPeR_> quick question: how do I shut off logging in Fedora? specifically, There's a lot of lines in the messages log.
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| 08:25 | they look like this: xinetd[2377]: EXIT: ldminfod status=0 pid=5160 duration0(sec)
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| 08:26 | They occur about every second per client.
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| 08:43 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:43 | <etyack> sbalneav: morning
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| 08:44 | <sbalneav> Hey etyack
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| 08:47 | <mhterres> morning sbalneav
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| 08:51 | <sbalneav> hey mhterres!
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| 09:14 | <bitplex> is there something like LTSP but uses the OS installed on the machine incstead of fetching it from the server?
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| 09:18 | <sbalneav> bitplex: Umm, wouldn't that be just like booting off the local disk? :)
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| 09:19 | Heading off to a meeting offsite. Back at the keyboard in a few hours.
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| 09:22 | <bitplex> yeh, but i want the user to see his or hers desktop upon login to any computer on the network.
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| 09:23 | <_UsUrPeR_> bitplex: I think that was a primary advantage of MS Active Directory
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| 09:25 | <bitplex> so active directory is my only option?
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| 09:25 | <etyack> bitplex: you could run puppy linux or some other small linux disto then use vnc or nx to connect to a Linux server.
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| 09:26 | are you looking for session persistence?
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| 09:28 | <bitplex> i think so
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| 09:28 | <etyack> nx/freenx offers session persistence
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| 09:28 | <bitplex> do you need a windows machine to get active directory?
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| 09:28 | <cyberorg> bitplex, http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/USB_Quickstart and http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/CD_Quickstart
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| 09:28 | <etyack> you don't need active directory
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| 09:29 | why not use ltsp?
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| 09:30 | <cyberorg> bitplex, you can also use nis, or setup ldap authentication that gives "roaming profile"
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| 09:31 | <bitplex> because wont that load the os from the server? I just want the user to login into a computer and have access to their files from any machine. Each with ubuntu installed.
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| 09:32 | <cyberorg> bitplex, use nis or ldap auth
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| 09:40 | <jammcq> g'morning homies
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| 09:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> morning jammcq
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| 09:49 | <jammcq> hey _UsUrPeR_
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| 09:51 | <etyack> jammcq: hey hey
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| 09:52 | any suggestions to reduce ldminfod logging in fedora? it is verbose and generating huge logfiles.
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| 10:28 | <_UsUrPeR_> to echo erickt: any suggestions to reduce ldminfod logging in fedora? it is verbose and generating huge logfiles.
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| 10:29 | <cyberorg> _UsUrPeR_, hi were you able to solve the login issue?
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| 10:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> cyberorg: sort of. I changed monitors and it worked fine.
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| 10:31 | <cyberorg> strange
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| 10:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> cyberorg: I guess there's a setting some place for resolutions?
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| 10:31 | <cyberorg> _UsUrPeR_, ah, DE's resolution settings
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| 10:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> brb
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| 11:02 | <etyack> :q
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| 11:22 | <alkisg> stgraber hi, could you help me a little with an authentication problem? italc 1.0.9 with ubuntu 8.04.1 / ltsp...
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| 11:23 | <alkisg> I generated the keys (twice to be sure) but I get a message from ica that a client tried to authenticate but... so I can't use demo mode
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| 11:24 | It look like it can't authenticate in 127.0.0.1, should I change ica-launcher to use 192.168.0.1?
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| 11:25 | /ica-launcher/italc-launcher/
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| 11:28 | stgraber, and when running ica from command line, I get (when I try demo mode): [warning] demoServer::updaterThread::run(): could not connect to local IVS! [critical] isdConnection::authAgainstServer(): unknown sec-type for authentication: 2
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| 11:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> hey, can anyone suggest to me the best way to get a client with dual-head capabilities to work properly with a DVI output instead of the vga output in Fedora? I have gotten it to work in ubuntu with the command #X_OPTION_01 = "\"ForcePanel\" \"True\""
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| 11:33 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: fedora LTSP doesn't support the X_* options from lts.conf except X_CONF which you can use to specify an alternate xorg.conf
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| 11:33 | I suppose I should work on that roblem...
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| 11:34 | _UsUrPeR_: X_CONF can work like this: you drop an xorg.conf in your chroot in some other location like /etc/X11/awesome-xorg.conf and X_CONF=/etc/X11/awesome-xorg.conf
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| 11:35 | sigh, I guess I have to work on adding support for those options.
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| 11:35 | it is difficult because I can't use the configure-x.sh
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| 11:35 | <_UsUrPeR_> :P
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| 11:36 | warren: Would dual-monitor functionality be something that would be taken into account at the same time?
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| 11:36 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: is that something that can be done with X_* options in lts.conf?
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| 11:37 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: etyack claims that it's possible, but we have not gotten to testing it out yet.
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| 11:38 | <warren> does that work in ubuntu LTSP now?
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| 11:38 | <etyack> _UsUrPeR_: let's be accurate here
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| 11:38 | <_UsUrPeR_> etyack: woah there :)
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| 11:38 | <etyack> my method is to create a custom xorg.conf
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| 11:38 | <warren> I managed to avoid configure-x.sh for keyboard layout
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| 11:38 | but it seems I wont be able to avoid it for options like this
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| 11:39 | etyack: you use X_CONF to point at that custom xorg.conf?
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| 11:39 | <etyack> i do not believe there is a method to handle dual monitors w/o creating a custom xorg.conf in ubuntu
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| 11:39 | warren: yes
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| 11:39 | <warren> ok
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| 11:39 | <etyack> i have not tested this yet, but it is the path I plan to go down
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| 12:05 | <etyack> warren: how often is ldminfod
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| 12:05 | warren: polled
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| 12:05 | <warren> etyack: rarely
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| 12:05 | etyack: only once as ldm runs
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| 12:06 | <etyack> warren: ok
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| 12:06 | <warren> etyack: why?
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| 12:07 | <etyack> warren: it is generating a lot of syslog messages on one clients servers, the one with the problematic sis chipset. probably because ldm is attempting to start so many times.
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| 12:08 | warren: i modified the logging in ldminfod xinetd to stop for now
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| 12:08 | <warren> etyack: interesting, yeah ldm should be giving up if it fails rapidly.
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| 12:08 | <etyack> warren: they were complaining about the size of their messages.
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| 12:08 | <warren> etyack: thanks for the report, I'll have to add a counter and fail
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| 12:08 | etyack: could you paste one of those syslog messages?
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| 12:11 | <etyack> warren: pastebot?
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| 12:11 | <warren> yes
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| 12:13 | <etyack> brb - going to get some lunch
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| 12:15 | <Pascal_1> hello
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| 12:16 | <Pascal_1> i've got a question not really in relation with ltsp : is it possible after booting pxe to load an install iso (windows mac linux...) ?
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| 12:17 | <etyack> warren: http://pastebin.com/m32901a7c
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| 12:18 | <warren> etyack: yeah, I'll have to add rate limiting to the ldm client side
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| 12:20 | <vagrantc> probably wouldn't be terribly hard to implemenmt some conditional sleeping in the ldm screen script to detect when ldm is restarting really fast ...
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| 12:21 | <warren> vagrantc: what do you mean?
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| 12:23 | <vagrantc> warren: before ldm starts ... do $(date +%s) and then after ldm stops running, add a "if $(date +%s) is only FOO seconds later ; then sleep 10 ; fi"
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| 12:23 | <warren> I often see ldm crash once before it works
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| 12:23 | <vagrantc> warren: to catch when ldm keeps respawning too much
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| 12:23 | <warren> i'm not sure why
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| 12:23 | <vagrantc> weird.
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| 12:24 | <warren> vagrantc: if it crashes 5 times in a row within a short amount of time we should't respawn at all
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| 12:24 | <vagrantc> oh, i figured out how to get rsyslog handling remote syslogging ... i think the first time i tried it wasn't working client-side.
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| 12:24 | <warren> vagrantc: display an error message instead
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| 12:24 | <vagrantc> warren: well, sure.
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| 12:24 | in rsyslog.conf: #$ModLoad imudp
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| 12:24 | #$UDPServerRun 514
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| 12:25 | it seems to be absurdly slow in catching logs, though.
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| 12:26 | <vagrantc> like it only displays one line at a time, so a client booting up sending all it's kernel messages can take a while to really kick in... haven't tried with lots of clients or using rsyslog's other remote syslogging methods
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| 12:30 | <vagrantc> warren: oh, a minor comment: some of your commit logs have been prefixed with "Fedora:" when it seems like they modify things that could potentially have impact on other distros. not a big deal, but something to keep an eye out for.
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| 12:31 | <warren> vagrantc: like what?
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| 12:31 | <vagrantc> warren: 905 in ldm-trunk
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| 12:31 | <warren> vagrantc: some of your commits were lacking Debian when they were Debian specific
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| 12:31 | <vagrantc> warren: sure.
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| 12:32 | it happens
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| 12:32 | but i thought the whole reason to specify distro-specific stuff was to figure out what we could safely ignore...
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| 12:33 | i attempted to prefix it with "minor comment" and "not a big deal" for a reason, though.
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| 12:33 | <warren> vagrantc: oh, in the case of 905 that was John's mistake.
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| 12:33 | <vagrantc> ah, fair enough, labeled as such.
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| 12:33 | <warren> I did notice that one
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| 12:34 | <vagrantc> warren: if you really want me to specify others, i could, but that would feel like nit-picking ...
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| 12:37 | <ogra> cyberorg, proposing ltsp 4.x to users on the mailinglist is pretty risky, you should at leat point out that there were no security upstaed since ober a year
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| 12:37 | *updates
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| 12:37 | *over
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| 12:37 | *sigh*
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| 12:38 | * ogra thinks he typed to much on onscreen keyboards today | |
| 12:38 | <warren> over a year? hasn't it been several years?
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| 12:38 | <ogra> well, i'm at least sure for the last year
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| 12:38 | :)
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| 12:38 | might even be two
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| 12:38 | i know jammcq did at least a kernel update once
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| 12:39 | but X is indeed totally out of discussion, that wasnt updated at all
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| 12:39 | * Q-FUNK wonders if LTSP can be summarized as one guy named: oliver "vagrant" togami? | |
| 12:39 | <vagrantc> pretty sure nothing since 2006
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| 12:39 | <ogra> right
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| 12:39 | Q-FUNK, lol
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| 12:40 | Q-FUNK, well,most credit for the code changes over the last 8 months or so rather goes to vagrant and warren
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| 12:40 | <Q-FUNK> in both cases, for porting the code to non-buntu distros?
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| 12:40 | <vagrantc> well, i did that withing weeks of having anything from ubuntu
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| 12:40 | <ogra> i only gave good or bad input on their code
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| 12:40 | <vagrantc> and the first ltsp muekow distro was actually debian-based (skolelinux) rather than ubuntu
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| 12:41 | <ogra> not true
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| 12:41 | <vagrantc> by like 2 weeks or something
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| 12:41 | <ogra> nah, breezy was first
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| 12:41 | really
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| 12:41 | <Q-FUNK> it has to be said that a thincan works very well on skolelinux, despite their old codebase
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| 12:41 | <vagrantc> ogra: i'm pretty certain skolelinux's sarge-base release came out before breezy.
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| 12:41 | <ogra> it likely works well on edgy or older as well :)
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| 12:41 | vagrantc, with ltsp5 ?
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| 12:42 | <vagrantc> ogra: with muekow
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| 12:42 | <ogra> hmm
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| 12:42 | <Q-FUNK> muekow???
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| 12:42 | <vagrantc> ogra: we didn't yet have the confidence to call it ltsp5
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| 12:42 | <ogra> but with the self hacked petter muecow :)
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| 12:42 | <vagrantc> ogra: it was backported from unstable ...
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| 12:42 | * ogra yippies ... finally my ubuntu-mobile desktop works | |
| 12:43 | <ogra> oh
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| 12:43 | i thought it was the hacked up variant he had documented on the ltsp wiki
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| 12:43 | <vagrantc> i jumped on debian-ifying the ltsp stuff within days of mdz releasing any code to any of the lists i was on.
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| 12:45 | * ogra goes back to hack on his hal-touchscreen-config backend | |
| 12:46 | <ogra> vagrantc, did you tast xorg with hal input on ltsp already ?
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| 12:46 | *test
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| 12:46 | its quite awesome ...
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| 12:46 | <vagrantc> ogra: don't have any idea how to do so
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| 12:47 | <ogra> but we'll need a lot of hal-set-property hacking soon for setting input properties if we want to do it properly
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| 12:47 | <vagrantc> i just generally do whatever debian does, and report bugs when things don't work for LTSP
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| 12:47 | <ogra> i thought it was n sid already
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| 12:47 | * ogra thought ubuntu puled much of it from there | |
| 12:48 | <vagrantc> xorg 7.3 in unstable ...
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| 12:48 | 7.4~1 in experimental
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| 12:49 | <ogra> ah
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| 12:49 | you should build from experimental :)
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| 12:49 | its cool
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| 12:49 | only needs /etc/default/console-setup nowadays for all keyboard stuff
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| 12:49 | <Q-FUNK> | xserver 1.5 once there's a Mesa 7.1 |
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| 12:50 | <ogra> i'm just implementing the same for touchscreens :)
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| 12:50 | <warren> Q-FUNK: does Mesa have an upstream controlled by different people?
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| 12:50 | <ogra> warren, i think its only one guy
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| 12:50 | <Q-FUNK> I think so, yeah
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| 12:50 | <ogra> but sourceforge might tell
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| 13:53 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Hey, ever find out who's spearheading the freegeek here in Winnipeg? I'd like to help him out.
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| 13:55 | <Blinny> Morning. Is LDM_REMOTECMD still supported in LTSP5/Ubuntu 8.04 ?
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| 14:00 | <warren> what does that do?
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| 14:00 | <sbalneav> Blinny: hold on, I think it changed names....
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| 14:00 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: oh, i ended up rushing off to figure that out and then got sidetracked...
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| 14:01 | sbalneav: i'll get to that now, though
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| 14:01 | <Q-FUNK> !s
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| 14:01 | <ltspbot> Q-FUNK: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 14:01 | <Blinny> It executes a specific command after login
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| 14:01 | (ala http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/customizing-thin-client.html)
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| 14:02 | I'm trying to remount a user's home directory via NFS on login
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| 14:02 | <ogra> i think thats clled LDM_SESSION no for whatever reason
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| 14:02 | *now
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| 14:02 | <Blinny> ogra: Link for docs?
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| 14:02 | <sbalneav> Yeah, I beleive ogra's right
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| 14:03 | <ogra> Blinny, lts-parameters.txt.gz in your docs
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| 14:03 | <Blinny> Dig.
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| 14:03 | <ogra> installed in the clinet
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| 14:03 | <sbalneav> yeah, it's still the old REMOTECMD in the docs.
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| 14:03 | <ogra> Gadi reworked and updated it in the current code branch, that might be more up to date
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| 14:03 | <sbalneav> ogra: when you get a second, and me to the doco team.
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| 14:03 | s/and/add/
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| 14:04 | <Blinny> heh not there
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| 14:04 | <ogra> sbalneav, the ltsp-upstream team is a member ;9
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| 14:04 | you should be able to just commit to the doc branch
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| 14:04 | <Blinny> E486: Pattern not found: LDM_SESS
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| 14:04 | <ogra> as i said, thats outdated, look at the codebranch
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| 14:05 | * ogra needs to go back to get work done | |
| 14:05 | <Blinny> Ok.
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| 14:05 | <sbalneav> ah, ok
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| 14:05 | <Blinny> Thanks.
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| 14:05 | <sbalneav> perfect. I'll mod that in the branch now.
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| 14:05 | <ogra> sbalneav, it should be correct in the branch unless Gadi messed it up when updating (which i dont think he did)
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| 14:06 | or btil didnt pull from the code branch
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| 14:06 | <vagrantc> maybe we should use REMOTECMD instead ...
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| 14:06 | the whole session handling is still a bit of a mess...
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| 14:06 | <sbalneav> In ltsp-docs-trunk it's still the old one. The Docbook docs
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| 14:06 | <ogra> hmm
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| 14:07 | check against ltsp-trunk please
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| 14:07 | <sbalneav> Well do
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| 14:07 | <ogra> i know gadi updated that one
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| 14:07 | <sbalneav> Will do
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| 14:07 | My typing's off today.
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| 14:07 | <ogra> welcome hot hte culb
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| 14:07 | :P
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| 14:08 | <sbalneav> lol
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| 14:23 | <Blinny> So my plan is to drop a script in LTSP_ROOT/usr/lib/ldm/rc.d and have it run a 'mount -tnfs remote:/home/${USER} /home/${USER}' on the server through the LDM_SOCKET. I'm guessing that the timing of this is pretty delicate. Am I on the right track?
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| 14:28 | <vagrantc> Blinny: each user will need to have permission to mount their own home directory
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| 14:28 | <ogra> it wont work
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| 14:28 | <etyack> what about using pammount?
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| 14:28 | <warren> and that will conflict with the sshfs mount that is default now
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| 14:28 | <ogra> right, thats the right way
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| 14:28 | the rc.d scripts are executed between the two ssh calls
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| 14:28 | <vagrantc> i thought there were issues with pammount and ssh
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| 14:29 | <ogra> the first one lready needs a homedir
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| 14:30 | * ogra goes back afk to do work ... | |
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| 14:38 | <leirch> hey guys, I'm pretty new to the ltsp scene and am trying to setup a suse11 kiwi ltsp server up
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| 14:39 | I have the server running, two nics, eth0 to internet, eth1 with static of 10.0.0.254
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| 14:39 | <cliebow> leir
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| 14:39 | leirch:johnny and some other kiwi types are around here somewhere..
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| 14:40 | <leirch> hope somebody is alive to help
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| 14:40 | i have the client booting via a pxes bootable cd, finds the ltsp server, boots the image and during startup it fails with the following error
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| 14:40 | starting console mouse support DONE
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| 14:40 | Master Resource Control: runlevel 3 has been reached
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| 14:40 | Failed services in runlevel 3: ltsp-client.init
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| 14:41 | ../etc/init.d/ltsp-client.init: line 96: /var/lib/dhcpd/dhcpd-eth0.info: No such file or directory
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| 14:42 | <vagrantc> leirch: japerry and cyberorg are the kiwi ltsp folks, as far as i know.
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| 14:43 | <Blinny> Ok i'll try pam_mount
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| 14:44 | <cliebow> vagrantc:thanks...senior moment
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| 14:44 | <vagrantc> Blinny: last i looked, pam_mount doesn't work with ssh.
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| 14:45 | <leirch> thanks, i'll try to get ahold of them.
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| 14:45 | <vagrantc> though admittedly, that was a long time ago.
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| 14:46 | <Blinny> vagrantc: Yah I'm reading up on a bug describing that
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| 14:47 | This is a bummer.
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| 14:54 | <johnny> cliebow, i'm not a kiwi type
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| 14:55 | <cliebow> oops ;-]
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| 14:57 | <johnny> cliebow, i'm a person who currently has an ltsp deployment with ubuntu, but is developing the ltsp plugin for gentoo
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| 14:58 | <johnny> since gentoo is an OS i understand much better
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| 14:58 | <cliebow> i know you were in the thick of it there somewhere..
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| 15:23 | <warren> mccann: ping
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| 15:24 | <pleed> Does anyone of you know if the ltsp 5 client kernel is patched with anything important for nfsmounts?
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| 15:25 | <warren> mccann: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=444552 Could you please fix this problem for F-9 within the next week or so? It would be really good to have this fixed for the ISO release of Fedora Live LTSP Server.
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| 15:28 | <mccann> warren: I can't promise that, sorry
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| 15:30 | <warren> mccann: sigh. ok.
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| 15:31 | <mccann> but I'd appreciate if you could take a look
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| 15:31 | <warren> this might take me 20x the time that you might be able to fix it
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| 15:31 | mccann: and I'm working on issues like "make it possible to push fedora updates again"
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| 15:42 | <vagrantc> pleed: depends on your distro, but i do not know of any distros that have done so.
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| 15:42 | pleed: the idea of ltsp5 is just to use the standard distro kernel, so there should be nothing ltsp-specific about it.
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| 15:42 | * vagrantc wonders where ltspfs_umount and ltspfs_mount are actually called from | |
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| 15:43 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: you have any idea?? ^^
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| 15:45 | <vagrantc> i can't find it called in the code anywhere ...
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| 15:45 | ltspfsmounter has some variables named that, but that's all server-side.
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| 15:45 | * vagrantc tries an evil experiment | |
| 15:46 | <sbalneav> pleed: Not as far as I know.
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| 15:47 | <vagrantc> i would think ltspfs_mount and ltspfs_umount would be called directly from ltspfsd ... but i can't find it.
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| 15:49 | <sbalneav> They should be... hold on.
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| 15:50 | argh, don't have an ltspfs tree here.
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| 15:52 | <vagrantc> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltspfs/ltspfs-trunk/files
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| 15:54 | <mistik1> Is it just me or has anyone else had the new sorceforge pages crash firefox?
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| 15:55 | It not just crashes firefox on me but brings down Xorg and everything
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| 15:58 | <Vplu1> I have a problem with ubuntu8,04 and ltsp. I have completed l' installation and created 10 customers but when they make the login, on the desktop of the thin-client comes shown the icone of 10 floppy and 10 of the cdrom, as I can make in order to correct this problem?
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| 16:00 | <sbalneav> Vplu1: have you created 10 separate userid's? And, have you added them to the fuse group?
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| 16:00 | <jammcq> Vplu1: I'm thinking that problem was fixed in 8.04.1
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| 16:00 | <warren> sbalneav: fuse group is needed on 8.04? we don't have a fuse group anymore here.
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| 16:00 | sbalneav: Due to gvfs, fuse group no longer needed.
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| 16:00 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: ah, found it. it's in ltspfs-trunk/src/common.c
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| 16:01 | <sbalneav> ah, yeah.
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| 16:01 | <Vplu1> ho creato 10 users assegnandoli al gruppo "users"
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| 16:01 | ops..! I have created 10 users assigning them to the group " users"
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| 16:01 | <warren> hmm
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| 16:01 | Vplu1 is actually describing the problem where local devices appear on the desktops of other users.
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| 16:02 | which would be a big in gvfs
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| 16:02 | bug in gvfs
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| 16:02 | <jammcq> yeah, I think that was fixed in 8.04.1
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| 16:02 | <warren> I heard someone complain about this in fedora , but I haven't been able to reproduce it
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| 16:02 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq
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| 16:02 | <warren> jammcq: fixed in what package?
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| 16:02 | <sbalneav> ah, gvfs bug.
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| 16:02 | <jammcq> searching lp now
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| 16:02 | <mistik1> hey sbalneav, jammcq
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| 16:02 | <jammcq> hey mistik1
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| 16:03 | <Vplu1> herefore, making l' upgrade of ubuntu, the problem could be resolved?
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| 16:04 | <jammcq> https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-vfs/+bug/50554
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| 16:04 | <warren> jammcq: I think that's the really old version
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| 16:04 | <jammcq> looks like a bug in gvfs that's been fixed
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| 16:04 | <warren> jammcq: 8.04 uses gvfs instead of gnome-vfs
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| 16:04 | <jammcq> ah
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| 16:05 | <warren> jammcq: look at the date on this
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| 16:05 | jammcq: prior to 8.04 and fedora 9 a fix for gvfs was applied
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| 16:05 | jammcq: however I heard complaints from some users that it wasn't fixed
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| 16:05 | <gbolte> jammcq, we had to fix that issue in suse too
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| 16:05 | <warren> although I haven't been able to reproduce hte problem
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| 16:05 | <jammcq> ah, I saw 2006-08-22 and my brain thought 2008-08-22
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| 16:05 | <gbolte> :P
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| 16:07 | <johnny> i'm still getting the multiple floppies
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| 16:07 | all over the place
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| 16:07 | <gbolte> you have to patch gnome
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| 16:07 | <johnny> i'm thinking about creating a virtual machine for my ltsp server
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| 16:07 | <warren> it actually isn't gvfs but some other gnome package
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| 16:07 | trying to find it
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| 16:07 | <johnny> that way i can hard limit cpu usage
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| 16:09 | <gbolte> jammcq, http://devzilla.novell.com/kiwi-ltsp/show_bug.cgi?id=10
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| 16:09 | er warren
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| 16:09 | whom ever may be concerned
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| 16:12 | thats how we fixed the problem
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| 16:13 | <sbalneav> Ooooh, bad patch.
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| 16:13 | yikes.
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| 16:13 | <warren> gbolte: unclear if we fixed it in a different way
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| 16:13 | sbalneav: ?
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| 16:13 | <gbolte> ah
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| 16:13 | <sbalneav> It chowns the media directory in media to the user.
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| 16:14 | Now the user owns the directory.
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| 16:14 | <gbolte> sbalneav, the user owns their own directory within media
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| 16:14 | <sbalneav> and can fill it up with whatever s/he likes
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| 16:14 | <warren> sbalneav: the bad patch was where?
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| 16:15 | <sbalneav> Right, but they shouldn't. The dir should be root owned, then when the mount occurs, it takes on the ownership of the user.
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| 16:15 | Otherwise, you've got a directory in / that a user can write to.
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| 16:15 | <warren> sbalneav: I thought I dealt with this the correct way
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| 16:15 | * warren checking | |
| 16:16 | <sbalneav> The reason why I'm pointing this out is: this is the way I handled it the first version of lbmount, chowning the home dir.
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| 16:16 | and I got my wrist slapped by mpitt :)
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| 16:16 | It was apparently felt to be a HUGE security hole.
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| 16:17 | <warren> sbalneav: wait, I'm trying to understand what you're saying
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| 16:17 | sbalneav: what patch specifically?
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| 16:17 | <sbalneav> the lbmount patch that gbolte supplied.
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| 16:17 | pointed to, etc.
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| 16:17 | <gbolte> sbalneav, I dont see how ours is bad...it creates the dir in media mounts the device to that folder then upon unmount deletes the folder
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| 16:17 | <sbalneav> in the bug report.
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| 16:17 | gbolte: ok, here's how it was explained to me.
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| 16:18 | 1) security concious admin has /tmp as a separate mount point. Therefore, no user should be able to write in /
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| 16:18 | 2) User plugs in stick
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| 16:19 | 3) user MANUALLY umounts the /media/user dir
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| 16:19 | 4) user madly scriblles in /media/user (in /) thus filling it up
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| 16:19 | That was how it was described to me.
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| 16:20 | <gbolte> sbalneav, what stops the user from filling /tmp
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| 16:20 | <sbalneav> Nothing, but see point 1, /tmp's a separate partition.
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| 16:20 | <gbolte> lol once tmp is full nobody can mount
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| 16:20 | so
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| 16:20 | * sbalneav shrugs. | |
| 16:21 | <warren> sbalneav: which patch?
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| 16:21 | <ogra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltspfs/+bug/210379
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| 16:21 | <sbalneav> I'm simply passing on what I was told was a bad way to do things.
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| 16:21 | <warren> I don't even know what you are talking about.
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| 16:21 | <gbolte> sbalneav, I see
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| 16:21 | <ogra> if you brike the ubuntu defaults with your ldap setup the bug will be still persistent
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| 16:21 | <sbalneav> http://devzilla.novell.com/kiwi-ltsp/show_bug.cgi?id=10
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| 16:21 | <ogra> fo all other users it was fixed in 8.04.1
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| 16:21 | <gbolte> so we should create a separate part for /media and all is well
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| 16:21 | <ogra> sbalneav, the patch is ok
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| 16:21 | <sbalneav> warren: look at the patch in there
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| 16:22 | <ogra> thats the one warren developed upstream
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| 16:22 | but it relies on proper group setup
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| 16:22 | <warren> sbalneav: wait huh, I didn't write this patch.
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| 16:22 | did this patch go upstream?
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| 16:22 | <gbolte> no
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| 16:22 | it did not
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| 16:22 | well as far as I kno
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| 16:22 | er know
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| 16:22 | <ogra> warren wrote http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=526320#c14
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| 16:23 | the novell patch adds cruft
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| 16:23 | <sbalneav> ogra: but I was doing this sort of thing in the original lbmount, and Martin slapped our wrists, remember ogra?
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| 16:23 | <ogra> which might or might not be a secuity issue
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| 16:23 | <warren> who is martin?
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| 16:23 | <ogra> sbalneav, no that was different
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| 16:23 | warren, former security lead in ubuntu
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| 16:24 | sbalneav, i discussed the patch with him
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| 16:24 | its fine as a workaround, but not the actual fix
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| 16:24 | <warren> Am I correct in suse's patch at http://devzilla.novell.com/kiwi-ltsp/show_bug.cgi?id=10 didn't go anywhere? not upstream, not ubuntu?
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| 16:24 | <ogra> he wanted to work on a proper fix that also works for non ltsp setups
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| 16:24 | <sbalneav> ogra: ah, ok.
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| 16:24 | <ogra> since our workaround doesnt
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| 16:24 | <ogra> warren, right
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| 16:24 | <japerry> heh
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| 16:24 | did I miss anything? ;-)
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| 16:25 | <sbalneav> ok, heading home for the day, be on tonight.
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| 16:25 | afk
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| 16:25 | <ogra> warren, but i'm happy with what we have
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| 16:25 | <japerry> what should happen is that lbmount puts the devices in .gvfs
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| 16:25 | <ogra> warren, and rely on pitti fixing it properly at some point
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| 16:25 | no
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| 16:25 | <japerry> why are user devices being put in /media?
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| 16:25 | <ogra> then you cant use the devices in i.e. openbox
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| 16:26 | ltsp isnt gnome standalone
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| 16:26 | nor KDE
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| 16:26 | <warren> ogra: you are not using http://devzilla.novell.com/kiwi-ltsp/show_bug.cgi?id=10 right?
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| 16:26 | <ogra> xfce doesnt use gvfs
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| 16:26 | nor does blackbox, icewm, openbox
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| 16:26 | <japerry> .gvfs is just a folder. it could be ~/.ltspmounts for all I care
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| 16:26 | <ogra> warren, i use what upstream fixed
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| 16:27 | warren, 1:1 the patch we all worked on as a team
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| 16:27 | which is considered the right fix by my security team and works on all WMs
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| 16:28 | <warren> ogra: why are 8.04 users and fedora users complaining of seeing devices of other users on their desktop?
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| 16:28 | <gbolte> lol and gentoo evidently
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| 16:28 | <johnny> my issue is not on gentoo
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| 16:28 | it's on ubuntu
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| 16:28 | <gbolte> oh
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| 16:28 | ok
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| 16:28 | <johnny> gbolte, i deploy ltsp on ubuntu atm
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| 16:28 | <ogra> warren, if users broke the group setup it wont work
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| 16:28 | <gbolte> johnny, I see
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| 16:28 | <warren> ogra: "it" being what?
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| 16:28 | <johnny> i just happen to use gentoo for my own stuff, and wnated to help
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| 16:29 | <ogra> the hiding
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| 16:29 | <gbolte> fair enough johnny
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| 16:29 | <johnny> my users are all in a terminals group, plus all the normal groups
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| 16:29 | <ogra> johnny, see my last coment on the ubuntu bug
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| 16:29 | <vagrantc> warren: do they have a setup where all users are in the same group?
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| 16:29 | <johnny> ogra, link me?
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| 16:29 | <ogra> i did above :p
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| 16:30 | <warren> vagrantc: oh, i see
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| 16:30 | <ogra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltspfs/+bug/210379
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| 16:30 | see my last comment there
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| 16:30 | it breaks for admins who dont use the debian/ubuntu default group schemeing
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| 16:30 | they may be all in the same group, thats fine
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| 16:31 | but need to have the default group (which is ogra for the ogra user here for example)
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| 16:31 | ldap admins often miss to set that up
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| 16:31 | <johnny> hmm.. no ldap here..
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| 16:31 | <ogra> tht breaks it again
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| 16:31 | <johnny> but ok
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| 16:31 | i'll take a lok
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| 16:31 | <ogra> johnny, well, are you up to date ?
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| 16:31 | <johnny> yes
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| 16:31 | <ogra> with the glib package from hardy-updates ?
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| 16:32 | <johnny> in the chroot?
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| 16:32 | <ogra> or installed from an 8.04.1 cd
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| 16:32 | no
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| 16:32 | <johnny> then yes
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| 16:32 | <ogra> its all server side
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| 16:32 | <gbolte> ogra, so in order for it to work properly users need to be in their own group?
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| 16:32 | <johnny> i just used the gui to create the users
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| 16:32 | <ogra> right, hich is a default requirement on ubuntu and debian
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| 16:33 | <gbolte> what about if you are using eDirectory
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| 16:33 | <ogra> and which is a clear thing if you read the patch warren did
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| 16:33 | <japerry> or AD
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| 16:33 | <warren> I barely remember doing it
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| 16:33 | <johnny> i have to run to work.. where my ltsp install is
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| 16:33 | maybe you'll still be here :)
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| 16:33 | <ogra> warren,
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| 16:33 | - if (mkdir(dir, 0755)) {
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| 16:33 | + if (mkdir(dir, 0750)) {
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| 16:34 | i wont, have to do work as well, feature freeze on thursday ...
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| 16:34 | * ogra is actually not here ... | |
| 16:34 | <vagrantc> warren: ltspfs-trunk 54
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| 16:35 | <warren> I know I did it
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| 16:35 | but I don't remember it
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| 16:35 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 16:35 | <johnny> i wonder if there will be a backport of ssh 5.1 and sshfs 2.1 for ubuntu
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| 16:35 | that way i can install ltsp and test local apps more easily..
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| 16:36 | <warren> oh
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| 16:36 | 0700 doesn't work because the non-root user still has to access inside.
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| 16:36 | 0770 is undesirable because we don't want the non-root user to be able to write arbitrary things in there.
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| 16:36 | (/media/$username is owned by root and managed by lbmount, while mounts inside that are owned by the user.)
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| 16:36 | 0750 is thus desirable by process of elimination.
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| 16:36 | <vagrantc> debian lenny has openssh-5.1 and sshfs-fuse 2.0 has an RC bug allegedly fixed in 2.1 ... which means lenny will either get sshfs 2.1 or no sshfs at all, likely.
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| 16:38 | <ogra> warren, 700 cant work because lbmount is suid root
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| 16:38 | oh, right, i missed the brackets
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| 16:38 | :;)
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