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Channel log from 6 September 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 09:42 | <ftherese> finally finished the initial setup of my ltsp servers... thanks for all your help guys you saved me a lot of time
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| 16:49 | <Ryan52> vagrantc: why do the Vcs-Browser fields use launchpad instead of the loggerhead on alioth?
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| 16:49 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: because they were put in before loggerhead was in alioth
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| 16:50 | <Ryan52> ah :)
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| 18:41 | <petre> so, I've been away from ltsp for a bit and forgotten everything I knew. To add a package, can I just chroot to /opt/ltsp/i386 and then use yum or rpm to install the package for the client (this is on fedora)?
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| 18:44 | <stgraber> hi petre
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| 18:44 | yes, it should work, in some cases you may need to mount bind /dev /proc and /sys too but it's not always required
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| 18:45 | <petre> hey stgraber, how are you?
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| 18:45 | <stgraber> very good and you ?
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| 18:50 | <petre> doing well, but busy at work these days so not much time for ltsp :-(
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| 18:51 | the good news is the work is fun: building a customized livecd respin of Centos.
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| 18:52 | I see people are gearing up for LTSP By the Sea again.
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| 18:53 | Sadly, I don't think I can make it this year, no vacation time or money.
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| 18:57 | hmm, no vi in the chroot
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| 19:41 | <nubae> wow loggerhead is a cool little known app
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| 19:41 | how awsome to publish your bzr branch via the web so easily
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| 19:44 | <adrien> hello, can someone help me with some connection issue?
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| 19:47 | i'm trying to have some windows workstations to connect to the internet through LTSP server at my school, but with no luck. I tried everything I could find in the doc but nothing seems to work
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| 19:49 | they get an ip address from the LTSP dhcp server fine, we can share files using samba, but the connection to the internet is not working (while it's works perfect for the thin clients connecting to the server)
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| 19:50 | is there something special to do or is it just impossible?
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| 19:55 | can someone read me?
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| 19:56 | <Guest72697> you need to setup nat
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| 19:57 | the thin clients don't need nat since they are actually using the servers connection
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| 19:57 | <johnny> but usually this isnt' a good time for this channel adrien
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| 19:57 | most people aren't here
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| 19:57 | in fact.. i'm usualy not even at this time
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| 19:58 | you just got luck
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| 19:58 | <adrien> ok thanks, this is my first time I was'nt sure people could read me
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| 19:58 | <johnny> yes.. just most people are only here on weekdays
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| 19:58 | during "business hours" of europe and usa
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| 19:58 | <adrien> I tried to set up nat with an iptable rule, but I'm not sure I'm doing the right thing
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| 19:59 | <johnny> well your distro might include a tool that makes it easier
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| 19:59 | than trying to do it manually
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| 19:59 | <adrien> I tried this through webmin
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| 19:59 | <johnny> probably not the best tool either
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| 20:00 | <adrien> what do you recommend?
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| 20:00 | <johnny> i'd suggest joining your distro chatroom
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| 20:00 | and asking them the easiest way to setup nat
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| 20:00 | for that distro
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| 20:00 | some include specific graphical interfaces
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| 20:00 | <adrien> ok, but it is possible then. this is just a nat problem
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| 20:01 | <johnny> yes.. definitely possible
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| 20:02 | <adrien> can you just tell me then which interface needs configuration? I've got eth0 connected to the internet and eth1 to the thin clients and windows workstations
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| 20:06 | <johnny> eth1 needs to forward to eth0
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| 20:07 | <adrien> allright. I'm going to look for some information on the net on how to do that. Thanks for your help!
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| 20:08 | <stgraber> nubae: well, it's the branch viewer developed for and used by launchpad, so not that little known :)
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| 20:09 | <nubae> well little known in the way its used... I guess the code itself is extremely known
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| 20:09 | I just didnt know it would be so easy to do that
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| 20:09 | <johnny> adrien, there are simpler tools to make it easy tho.. you should try those first..
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| 20:09 | <nubae> unless everyone is using loggerhead and I'm just not with it yet
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| 20:10 | johnny... have u seen my python app?
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| 20:10 | <adrien> thanks johnny, I'll look this way
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| 20:10 | <johnny> nubae, have i told you you are awesome?
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| 20:10 | no.. i hven't seen it
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| 20:10 | <nubae> :-(
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| 20:11 | <johnny> just wanted to tell you you that you are awesome
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| 20:11 | <nubae> why the sarcasm, u're usually never sarcastic with me
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| 20:11 | :-)
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| 20:11 | <johnny> lol
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| 20:11 | i wasn't being
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| 20:11 | wanna see a picture i took last summer that i was showing off today? :)
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| 20:11 | http://localmomentum.net/~johnny/img_2023-3.jpg
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| 20:12 | <nubae> bzr branch lp:~vcs-imports/pyclic/trunk
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| 20:12 | its autobazaared from the sugarlabs git repo
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| 20:12 | how cool is that
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| 20:12 | ummm... u're train?
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| 20:12 | <johnny> yes
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| 20:13 | <nubae> u totally threw me... I dont know what to think now... its clearly a picture u took.... and then I'm thinking, why would he take a picture of a train...
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| 20:14 | unless u're were riding it or something
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| 20:14 | <johnny> why wouldn't i take a picture of a train?
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| 20:14 | <nubae> we're u driving the train? did they let u do that?
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| 20:14 | <johnny> that was a train near a train i was on
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| 20:15 | so.. why would i use bzr ?
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| 20:15 | when i could just use git?
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| 20:15 | <nubae> dunno, because some people dont like git
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| 20:15 | like ogra
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| 20:15 | <johnny> i still don't know why i would ever use bzr over hg
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| 20:15 | <nubae> he refuses to use it
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| 20:15 | <johnny> bzr seems poorly designed
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| 20:15 | <nubae> so just in case, I have both
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| 20:15 | <johnny> you can also pull git from hg too
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| 20:15 | <nubae> I run my git through bazaar for those that want it
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| 20:16 | <johnny> well.. don't show the bzr link by default :)
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| 20:16 | <nubae> I agree, I prefer git too
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| 20:16 | I dont know why ogra hates it so
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| 20:16 | <johnny> hg is good too..
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| 20:16 | hg > bzr as far as i can tell
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| 20:16 | <nubae> what is hg?
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| 20:16 | <johnny> mercuriral
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| 20:16 | mercurial*
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| 20:16 | gajim and mozilla projects use it.. among others
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| 20:16 | <nubae> oh, I've heard of that, but never used it
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| 20:17 | git is good enough for me, and bazaar I'm forced to use sometimes
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| 20:17 | but if I have a choice I create a git project
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| 20:17 | just so much friendlier
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| 20:18 | <nubae> though to really understand git... I mean like really get it... that I dont wanna do... someone once tried to teach me at work... I had to spend half a day learning intricacies of git
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| 20:18 | god... never again
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| 20:19 | <johnny> you think git is friendlier?
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| 20:19 | <nubae> anyway, my app... just run python pyclic.py, tell me what u think
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| 20:19 | <johnny> even i don't agree
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| 20:19 | don't i need other bits ?
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| 20:19 | <nubae> well, I'm just more used to it
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| 20:19 | I'd imagine u have pygtk and pycairo installed
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| 20:19 | <johnny> truly
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| 20:19 | <nubae> pango too?
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| 20:20 | <johnny> yeah.. everything already in a standard gnomeish distro
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| 20:20 | <nubae> then u need nuaght.... though I did just do a commit without testing it...
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| 20:20 | heh wait wait
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| 20:20 | dont pull yet
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| 20:21 | <johnny> it is asking me for a luanchpad login
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| 20:21 | <nubae> have to fix something I went and commented EVERYTHING today on the bus ride home...
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| 20:21 | huh?
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| 20:21 | <johnny> but i haven't changed nothin.. and can still commit to ltsp
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| 20:21 | <nubae> why would it do that?
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| 20:22 | <johnny> i got the revs
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| 20:22 | i'm just suprised i can commit to ltsp
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| 20:22 | * vagrantc held out long enough on trying git that it seems to actually finally be useable | |
| 20:23 | <johnny> so.. lemme know when you finish it nubae
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| 20:25 | <nubae> screwed up my indents
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| 20:25 | <johnny> vagrantc, see that pic i mentioned earlier?
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| 20:25 | i'm proud of it..
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| 20:26 | <nubae> ok pushed
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| 20:27 | <vagrantc> johnny: wow. that looks like a classic amtrak postcard
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| 20:27 | <nubae> johnny: also did something else I'm really proud of... I used the moodle DB module in a really really cool way, take a look: http://www.linux-for-education.org/mod/data/view.php?id=2747
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| 20:27 | <vagrantc> johnny: only no mountains
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| 20:27 | <johnny> vagrantc, yeah.. it was outside of forth worth
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| 20:27 | no mountains there :)
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| 20:27 | fort worth*
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| 20:28 | * vagrantc needs to learn how to open glass doors before walking through | |
| 20:28 | <vagrantc> anyways... see y'all later
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| 20:28 | <nubae> vagrantc: I'm gonna make a python to data module for moodle...
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| 20:28 | oh, hes gone :-(
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| 20:29 | well, I'll tell u then johnny
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| 20:29 | its called pydamoo
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| 20:29 | <johnny> no revvs..
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| 20:29 | <nubae> isnt that just the cutest names?
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| 20:29 | name
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| 20:29 | <johnny> still
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| 20:29 | <nubae> oh, u pulling through bazaar or git?
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| 20:29 | just git clone from sugarlabs.. hang on
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| 20:30 | git clone git://git.sugarlabs.org/pyclic/mainline.git
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| 20:30 | of course... takes time for the VMS to take the changed git repos and process them into bazaar trunks
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| 20:30 | <johnny> oh
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| 20:30 | ok .. that would be smarter
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| 20:31 | <nubae> yeah, so its not immediate immediate
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| 20:31 | it all reminds me of Obs...
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| 20:31 | these automated services where u have to wait for the VMs to do batch processing
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| 20:31 | we're really moving backwards in time
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| 20:32 | batch processing is totally back in vogue
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| 20:32 | <johnny> i have no idea what is happening with that thing
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| 20:32 | it says open an image
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| 20:32 | but none of my images show up :)
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| 20:32 | <nubae> oh wait a png image
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| 20:32 | does it not say png image?
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| 20:33 | shit... I have to fix the instructions... they are a little off of course
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| 20:33 | I spent most of my time commenting code
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| 20:34 | oh my god, I just found another total awsome use for my program...
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| 20:35 | u know how u have to show steps on how to use shit sometimes... like first click here, then click there, then write in that box, then this one... for complex web apps
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| 20:35 | this could totally be used for that...
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| 20:35 | I just need to adapt it to spit out a generated image with labels
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| 20:35 | instead of what it currently does
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| 20:36 | screenshot labeler, heh
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| 20:37 | anyway, thats the admin interface for the real thing which is a collaborative quiz
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| 20:37 | that works with xmpp
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| 20:37 | thats why I generated XML docs out of everything, image included, for easy transport
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| 20:38 | the idea is, questions pass from student to student, if u get it wrong, loose 25 points, get it right win 25 points, and for -15 points u can ask for a hint
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| 20:39 | scores are stored, and the end idea is there will be lots and lots of quizzes created by teachers who want a quick way of getting their students doing something
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| 20:40 | at work I have a demo of a solarsystem quiz, containing all the planets...
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| 20:40 | but really there is something for every subject... us creatures are very visual, so these kinda quizzes make sense
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| 20:41 | am I now talking to myself or are u still around?
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| 20:41 | <johnny> sorta still here
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| 23:18 | <Shinhung> hello
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| 23:18 | <tylerfixer> howdy
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| 23:18 | <Shinhung> can I get help here?
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| 23:18 | <tylerfixer> most likely, it depends on your question.
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| 23:19 | <Shinhung> is it possible to set up an individual web server per client, each with its own 'localhost'?
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| 23:20 | <tylerfixer> so, you want to run a web server on each thin client, and be able to have the client browse to "http://localhost" and have it be something different for each?
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| 23:20 | <Shinhung> yes
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| 23:20 | I've been getting the strangest questions from my clients, that's one of those.
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| 23:21 | <tylerfixer> i'm not sure if you could do it as "localhost", since the "localhost" you'd be seeing would be of the server...
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| 23:21 | maybe you could use a script that'd find the IP of the current client and open a browser to the correct location
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| 23:22 | or even run a web server on the thin client server that auto-redirects to the ip address of the client somehow
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| 23:22 | (not sure how to do that off the top of my head, though)
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| 23:22 | <Shinhung> mm
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| 23:23 | <tylerfixer> yeah, that is a pretty strange question
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| 23:24 | you might be able to find the ip address of the connected client through checking the xsession files... a quick bash script to find an ip in the session state files and redirect would do just fine, i think... but a more elegant solution would be better of course :)
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| 23:25 | I do have a question of my own to pose to the smarter people than I, however.
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| 23:25 | <Shinhung> what might that be?
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| 23:25 | <Guest98031> hm...
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| 23:25 | <tylerfixer> I have a hp t5520 thin client, and for some reason the cpu usage is always pegged at 100% on the xorg process
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| 23:26 | BUT, when I'm at the LDM login screen, the cpu usage is below 1%
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| 23:26 | I have tried the vesa driver, the via driver, and the openchrome driver
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| 23:26 | they all bring the cpu usage to 100% as soon as i login
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| 23:26 | and I do have LDM_DIRECTX set to true
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| 23:26 | any ideas?
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| 23:26 | <Shinhung> and stays so even after a while?
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| 23:26 | <tylerfixer> yep
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| 23:26 | it's pegged
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| 23:26 | <Guest98031> does your chroot distro version match your host distro tylerfixer ?
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| 23:26 | <tylerfixer> nope
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| 23:27 | <johnny> make it so
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| 23:27 | it always should
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| 23:27 | 100% of the time
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| 23:27 | <tylerfixer> haha really?
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| 23:27 | <johnny> yes
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| 23:27 | <tylerfixer> that's so simple
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| 23:27 | i didn't even think of that
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| 23:27 | <johnny> you mentioned that
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| 23:27 | right before you left last time
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| 23:27 | <tylerfixer> I had downgraded the chroot for some older hardware, but i forgot to re-upgrade it for the new stuff
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| 23:27 | <johnny> last time i was here anyways
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| 23:27 | <tylerfixer> wow, you have good memory
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| 23:27 | <johnny> start it from scratch, don't upgrade
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| 23:27 | <tylerfixer> yeah, i had made a copy of the old chroot
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| 23:27 | i'll just rename it back :)
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| 23:28 | <johnny> ok
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| 23:28 | Shinhung, why bother running a webserver for each?
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| 23:28 | just one one.. and use public_html directories in each ~
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| 23:28 | <Shinhung> I wouldn't
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| 23:28 | <johnny> then they can just browse to localhost/~user
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| 23:28 | <tylerfixer> since i'm not in front of the thin clients right now (I will be tomorrow, however) are there any other ideas if that doesn't work out quite right?
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| 23:28 | <johnny> tylerfixer, not really.. i'm tapped out for now
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| 23:28 | <tylerfixer> okay
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| 23:28 | <johnny> anything else will require you to be there
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| 23:29 | in any case
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| 23:29 | <tylerfixer> okay
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| 23:29 | thanks again
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| 23:29 | <johnny> as this is kinda a poke and prod thing now
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| 23:29 | <tylerfixer> yeah, i can't believe I didn't think of that
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| 23:29 | <johnny> well.. you made me realize that we need a script that comes with ltsp
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| 23:29 | to capture host distro version, chroot version, and some relevant programs plus specs
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| 23:30 | so stuff like this will be easier to come by..
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| 23:30 | <tylerfixer> i think i could write something like that for you if you'd like
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| 23:30 | <johnny> instead of asking all the quetions every time
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| 23:30 | well, i'm going to talk to fellow developers about it
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| 23:30 | <Shinhung> I don't understand the part about chroot distro version matching host distro's
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| 23:30 | <johnny> some distros actually have tools
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| 23:30 | Shinhung, it's just fact
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| 23:30 | don't question it :)
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| 23:30 | <tylerfixer> yeah, for ubuntu you can just cat the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/issue to find the version of the chroot
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| 23:30 | <johnny> too many possible mismatches
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| 23:31 | tylerfixer, but for host distro. there are things like smolt on fedora..
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| 23:31 | and something on ubuntu.. i forget which
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| 23:31 | <tylerfixer> i just wonder if xorg is that picky about version to version compatibility on the network
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| 23:31 | <johnny> yes
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| 23:31 | seems likely
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| 23:31 | at least the way we run it
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| 23:31 | but it might not be X at all
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| 23:31 | it could be something else causing it
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| 23:32 | <tylerfixer> well, it makes sense I figure
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| 23:32 | <johnny> anyways.. it is the easiest way to match things
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| 23:32 | <tylerfixer> yeah, it's a good suggestion to start off tomorrow
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| 23:32 | <johnny> less variables. the better..
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| 23:32 | <tylerfixer> true
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| 23:32 | <johnny> matching pulse, ssh etc..
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| 23:33 | <tylerfixer> I'm just wondering what was causing the horrendous CPU usage on my geode-based thin clients
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| 23:33 | it was almost the same way with them
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| 23:33 | xorg at 100% cpu all the time
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| 23:33 | <johnny> well..there are some folks here who know about geode issues
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| 23:33 | i'm not one of em
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| 23:33 | <tylerfixer> yeah the more i worked with the geode the less i liked it
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| 23:33 | i had to re-write parts of the bios to rid myself of winCE
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| 23:34 | <Shinhung> I plan to order a couple of geode thin clients.. now you're making me think twice
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| 23:34 | <tylerfixer> what speed are they?
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| 23:34 | <johnny> Shinhung, well.. come back and ask the experts
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| 23:34 | <tylerfixer> mine were 300mhz "TCE-100" no-names
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| 23:34 | from ebay
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| 23:34 | that came with a 8mb DOC and 16mb ram
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| 23:34 | <johnny> my clients are just recycled desktops
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| 23:35 | but i wouldn't buy anything with less than 512mb ram
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| 23:35 | and > 500mhz
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| 23:35 | <tylerfixer> i agree
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| 23:35 | <Shinhung> lx800?
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| 23:35 | <tylerfixer> i found that out the hard way
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| 23:35 | <johnny> so i could run voip apps and such things
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| 23:35 | and FLASH
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| 23:35 | the devil
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| 23:35 | <tylerfixer> haha
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| 23:35 | <johnny> flash == evil
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| 23:35 | only solution is to run it locally if you want really great performance
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| 23:35 | <tylerfixer> my server seems to handle flash just fine, and so do the clients, but it's typing games that kill them (these aren't the geode clients)
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| 23:36 | <johnny> ah
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| 23:36 | well.. my server was kinda overloaded.. sorta
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| 23:36 | <Shinhung> oh yeah I haven't managed to get mic work on the clients. what's the common issue?
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| 23:36 | <johnny> i don't know anything about mics
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| 23:36 | those should just work
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| 23:36 | it's video/cpu usage that i'm talking about
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| 23:36 | make sure they work outside of flash first
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| 23:37 | <tylerfixer> oh hey, that made me think of another question I have... (which may be related to my mismatch of chroot and host OS) is that the volume applet in ubuntu doesn't seem to work, it allows me to click "mute/unmute" and change the volume, but nothing changes
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| 23:39 | <johnny> probably not.. but perhaps..
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| 23:39 | pulse audio isn't known for it's compatibility
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| 23:40 | between versions
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| 23:40 | <johnny> in most cases it doesn't matter.. and few user remote pulse anyways
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| 23:40 | <tylerfixer> okay, so that might be fixed when i make the chroots equal?
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| 23:40 | <johnny> as it is easier to stream the actual data (mp3 file) and not raw sound
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| 23:40 | <tylerfixer> that's true
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| 23:41 | <johnny> most people use zeroconf or mpd or whatever for remote music
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| 23:41 | on the lan i mean ..
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| 23:41 | <tylerfixer> honestly, it's not a dealbreaker at all, since i suppose i can just turn off sound if i want to mute it (clients have internal speakers)
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| 23:41 | <johnny> well.. see what you get when you try
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| 23:41 | and come back
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| 23:41 | <tylerfixer> okay
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| 23:41 | <johnny> once again.. i have no experience here on that
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| 23:41 | because i don't even have speakers at my clients
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| 23:41 | <tylerfixer> yeah i'm probably doing something not standard
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| 23:41 | <johnny> so.. the sound might work. it might not.. i have no idea :)
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| 23:42 | nah.. i'm doing internet cafe stuff
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| 23:42 | with only a couple computers.. sound would make people stick around too lon
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| 23:42 | <tylerfixer> fun fun :) what kind of clients do you use?
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| 23:42 | <johnny> recycled desktops
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| 23:42 | donated computers
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| 23:42 | <tylerfixer> very cool, what kind of server do you use for all this?
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| 23:42 | <johnny> most are around 2GHz... but they are all low on ram.. thus ltsp
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| 23:43 | my server is dual core 2ghz.. but 2ghz ram
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| 23:43 | err 2GB ram
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| 23:43 | that's good enough for my 4 pcs..
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| 23:43 | <tylerfixer> nice
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| 23:43 | <johnny> we don't have room for any more
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| 23:43 | otherwise we would probably have more..
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| 23:44 | it's at a collectively owned and operated bookstore coffeehouse
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| 23:44 | of which i am currently a member
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| 23:44 | we run ubuntu there.. altho i run fedora at home.. and started the ltsp port for gentoo..
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| 23:44 | <tylerfixer> wow that's awesome
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| 23:45 | you've definately got a lot of people using your work
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| 23:45 | <johnny> we just started a freeschool.. perhaps some day i'll put computers there
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| 23:45 | <tylerfixer> once again, linux is awesome :)
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| 23:45 | <johnny> atm.. the structure is too loose to leave computers around..
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| 23:45 | people just come to pick up keys.. and bring em back.. whoever is teaching
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| 23:45 | so.. nothing expensive is stickin around
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| 23:45 | <tylerfixer> time for some IP cameras?
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| 23:45 | <johnny> we try to avoid such things
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| 23:46 | <tylerfixer> okay, i suppose that brings up things like privacy issues and the like
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| 23:46 | <johnny> we've had thefts from the store.. but only thing CLOSE to that.. is one of those round mirrors in the corner..
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| 23:46 | close to cameras i mean..
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| 23:47 | <tylerfixer> i suppose even a fake camera might have some deterrance value
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| 23:49 | <Ahmuck> johnny: a free school ?
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| 23:49 | <tylerfixer> well, i'm off to see if i can remote-start my server... maybe try to get a fresh copy of the chroot by the morning :) (evil 512kbps dsl lines...)
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| 23:49 | <Ahmuck> tell me more, tell me more
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| 23:49 | <tylerfixer> thanks for the help!
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| 23:50 | <johnny> http://freeschool.redemmas.org
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| 23:50 | <Ahmuck> and a link to the collective coffee shop ?
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| 23:53 | <johnny> http://www.redemmas.org
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| 23:53 | and our events venue too http://2640.redemmas.org
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| 23:56 | Ahmuck, also this is important http://redemmas.org/bookfair/2008/
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| 23:56 | oops..
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| 23:56 | why do we have it under 2008 lol
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| 23:56 | better ask the admin..
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| 23:57 | we do a book festival in conjunction with the city of baltimore
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| 23:57 | we used to host our own
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| 23:57 | but this is turning out to be abetter
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