IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 26 October 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:36 | <elias_a> Good morning, world!
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| 02:37 | <Appiah_> morning
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| 05:21 | <zeltron> Hi all
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| 05:21 | Network problem with ltsp-ubuntu
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| 05:21 | I set up the server for test with a temporary IP Adress
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| 05:22 | Now it works, I want to put it in production, and I changed the IP adress
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| 05:22 | The client boot is ok, but when I try to log on it (ldap based auth), it doesn't work
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| 05:23 | Is there a file somewhere in the chroot where the IP address of the server is written ?
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| 05:27 | P.S. : local login with the same account is ok
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| 05:30 | <Appiah> what does /var/log/auth say on the servers about the login
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| 05:32 | <zeltron> I've brought my server back to the configuration that works, to try to diagnosticate the problem
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| 05:33 | So I need 2 minutes to go back to state that doesn't work
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| 05:59 | <zeltron> Appiah: Sorry, a little bit longer than I thought !
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| 05:59 | /var/log/auth on the server doesn't say anything about the login
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| 06:00 | <Appiah> check the clients /etc/ldap.conf then
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| 06:00 | and /etc/nsswitch.conf
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| 06:00 | is ldap defined?
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| 06:01 | <zeltron> ldap.conf contains only commented lines
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| 06:02 | nsswitch .conf contains nothing about ldap (passwd, grou and shadow are configured with compat)
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| 06:02 | But it worked fine before I changed the IP address from the server !
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| 06:03 | It's the server that check for login, not the client ?
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| 06:05 | * alkisg_work hasn't seen all the chat, but reminds about ltsp-update-sshkeys and ltsp-update-image that is needed after changing the server ip | |
| 06:06 | <zeltron> alkisg : Of course... I think that's it ! I try this
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| 06:14 | alkisg : It's OK ! Not used to those ltsp-update-...
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| 06:14 | Thanks a lot
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| 06:15 | <alkisg_work> np :)
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| 06:41 | <Alocado> hello
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| 06:42 | i've a problem while my ltsp clients are booting
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| 06:43 | the clients send dhcp discover/selects for their ip after kernel boot... tfp works, nbd too (i think)
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| 06:43 | *tftp
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| 06:46 | any idea?
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| 06:52 | <Appiah> :)
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| 06:52 | <Appiah> whats the problem then Alocado ?
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| 07:09 | <Alocado> Appiah, i get the message "Running /scripts/init-premount" and after that there are only dhcp requests...
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| 07:10 | "Sending select for xx.xx.xx.xx"
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| 07:10 | but no answer but i don't know why... when i try to reboot the dhcp gives the same ip again
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| 07:10 | <Appiah> is this on all clients?
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| 07:12 | <Alocado> yes
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| 07:12 | <Appiah> all the same hardware?
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| 07:12 | <Alocado> no
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| 07:13 | dhcp before tftp boot works... after running /scripts/init-premount" it doesn't work
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| 07:13 | <Appiah> had a running envoirment before or trying to setup now?
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| 07:13 | <Alocado> new setup... the dhcp server is a cisco switch/router (very big thing) and the ltsp server is a vm
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| 07:17 | but... why 2 dhcp requests!?
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| 07:25 | <Alocado> aaahh IPAPPEND 3 solves the problem
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| 07:26 | <Appiah> :)
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| 07:26 | <_UsUrPeR_> does someone know how to clear /away on xchat?
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| 07:27 | <Appiah> is it not like in irssi? first you type /away <something> then just type /away without something after to clear
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| 07:27 | if you did /away without typing anything after, you're not away
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| 07:27 | (irssi-style)
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| 07:29 | <cyberorg> _UsUrPeR_, Alt+a
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| 07:30 | <Alocado> Appiah, /back
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| 07:30 | oh... _UsUrPeR_ ... /back
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| 07:31 | <Appiah> ah
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| 07:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> thx :)
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| 07:35 | <Alocado> the irc protocol would accept away without any parameters but xchat has its own usuage with away/back
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| 07:38 | <cliebow> x
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| 07:39 | <Appiah> hmm , is there any tool to directly deny access to a application for a group of users (School use)
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| 07:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> well I am back :)
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| 07:44 | appiah: chown/permissions is about he only real way to disallow use
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| 07:44 | I have done a lot of work with sabayon, and it's almost there
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| 07:44 | but not completely student-proof
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| 07:46 | <Appiah> I have yet to use sabayon since its crashes all the time , and just last week learned that there are non-crashing PPA packages
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| 07:46 | but have yet to try them. But isent that just for profile making?
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| 07:46 | <_UsUrPeR_> Appiah: check with sbalneav about that. He has his own PPA, and in 9.04 it does it's job, if not a little quirky.
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| 07:47 | <Appiah> I'm talking about dissallowing 1user or 1 group in a few clicks and the application shouldnt launch
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| 07:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> ahh.
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| 07:47 | <Appiah> and then 5min later allow
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| 07:47 | example
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| 07:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> Appiah: oh. That makes things tougher.
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| 07:49 | <Appiah> :)
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| 08:01 | <Alocado> k... client is booted... but: where are the local consoles?
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| 08:02 | ctrl+alt+f1 suspends the monitor in standby mode... :/
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| 08:03 | <_UsUrPeR_> alocado: add the following lines to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 08:03 | [DEFAULT]
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| 08:03 | screen_02 = shell
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| 08:03 | screen_07 = ldm
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| 08:03 | in that order
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| 08:07 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Gadi: Congrats!
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| 08:07 | <Gadi> hehe, thanks!
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| 08:25 | <cliebow> Gadi:We MISSed you
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| 08:26 | <Gadi> I missed being ther
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| 08:26 | *there
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| 08:27 | * Gadi hopes someone took notes :P | |
| 08:28 | <cliebow> prob not..cliebow took pipe clamp..to open lobster though
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| 08:29 | <Gadi> cool
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| 08:29 | * Gadi guesses thats not the usual tool of choice ;) | |
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| 08:52 | * ogra only had some scotch in Gadis name | |
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| 08:57 | <dtrask> !Gadi++
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| 09:02 | <ogra> Gadi, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/get_it_done.flv
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| 09:05 | <Gadi> aww... you guys
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| 09:05 | <dtrask-no-karma> !karma
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| 09:05 | <ltspbot> dtrask-no-karma: Highest karma: "jammcq" (8192), "beer" (86), and "whiskey" (36). Lowest karma: "dtrask" (-37), "chrisinajar" (-20), and "chrisinajar--jar" (-1).
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| 09:05 | <Gadi> I had some scotch in Gadi's name, too
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| 09:05 | <ogra> heh
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| 09:05 | <dtrask-no-karma> Gadi, me too!
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| 09:06 | <Gadi> nice video
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| 09:06 | I feel like Ive seen it a million times, tho :P
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| 09:06 | <dtrask-no-karma> Gadi, where's the video?
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| 09:06 | <Gadi> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/get_it_done.flv
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| 09:07 | <dtrask-no-karma> LOL...I remember them filming that
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| 09:15 | <Blinny> I like that dance.
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| 09:17 | <Gadi> so, aside from the booz, what else got finished?
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| 09:17 | <ogra> ltsp should be down to two or three open bugs in LP
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| 09:18 | stephane got mad and closed them all :)
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| 09:18 | <Gadi> and here I thought we only had 2 or 3 open bugs
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| 09:18 | :)
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| 09:18 | <ogra> it was something like 75 or so
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| 09:19 | <Gadi> couldnt be bugs - maybe "suggestions"
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| 09:19 | "requests to work properly"
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| 09:20 | <cliebow> dtrask-no-karma got an email addy for scott?
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| 09:21 | dtrask-no-karma, any pics of bts up?
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| 09:35 | <sbalneavbb> morning all, from my blackberry
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| 09:35 | <Gadi> la la la
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| 09:36 | <sbalneavbb> ltspbot: seen ogra
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| 09:36 | <ltspbot> sbalneavbb: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 17 minutes and 21 seconds ago: <ogra> it was something like 75 or so
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| 09:36 | <ogra> moo
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| 09:36 | <sbalneavbb> good flight?
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| 09:36 | hey gadi
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| 09:36 | <ogra> well, so so
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| 09:36 | was one of the rather bumpy ones ...
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| 09:37 | i thionk we rode the storm we had the day before in maine
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| 09:37 | hey only did about half the service they had announced because the flight attendants needed to be seated to often
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| 09:37 | <sbalneavbb> ahhh. Well glad to see you made it safe and sound
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| 09:38 | <ogra> i did, exhausted though
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| 09:38 | i'm only back home since a few hours
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| 09:38 | are you still on the road ?
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| 09:39 | <sbalneavbb> I won't make it home 'till tomorrow night. Then, I start hacking on D-Bus :)
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| 09:40 | <ogra> heh
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| 09:40 | <sbalneavbb> yeah, last leg of the drive
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| 09:40 | <Gadi> guess you need d-blackberry to hack on d-bus
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| 09:40 | <sbalneavbb> sorry, slow typing on a BB
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| 09:40 | bwahahaha
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| 09:40 | <ogra> i'd love to discuss the design with Keybuk in case he sees any drawbacks
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| 09:41 | but everyone is to busy with release atm ... i doubt i can grab his ear before fri.
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| 09:41 | <sbalneavbb> Talking to keybuck was early on in my list of priorities
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| 09:41 | <ogra> right, he wont have time atm
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| 09:41 | release is thu.
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| 09:42 | and he is going through the remaining boot issues with the new bootprocess
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| 09:42 | <sbalneavbb> I'll do this one like I did ltspfs. I'm going to design the whole thiing on the wiki before I write any code
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| 09:43 | <ogra> good idea
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| 09:43 | <sbalneavbb> we need to get this right the first time
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| 09:43 | <ogra> yep
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| 09:44 | <sbalneavbb> ok, we're on the highway, and it's getting bumpy to type. I'll be on later today from jim's palce
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| 09:44 | seeya
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| 09:44 | <Blinny> I wish I had a palace.
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| 09:53 | <stgraber> morning
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| 09:53 | hey mgariepy is on IRC !!!
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| 09:56 | <mgariepy> yeah, my laptop was on suspend so..
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| 09:56 | :P
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| 10:24 | <adrien> Hello, I need help connecting to the internet through firefox localapp. It used to work but I had to rebuild a new image and now I can't get it to work. I followed the same step as the previous time and I can't see what is missing. Can someone help me debug this?
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| 10:27 | <zeltron> adrien : ubuntu ?
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| 10:27 | <adrien> yes
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| 10:27 | 9.04
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| 10:27 | 64 bits
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| 10:28 | <zeltron> /etc/resolv.conf in chroot is read-only
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| 10:28 | <adrien> it has 644 permission
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| 10:28 | should that be different?
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| 10:28 | <zeltron> you have to write a little script that makes a chown on this file at client boot
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| 10:29 | <adrien> I think I did following the wiki ThinClientHowtoNat
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| 10:29 | it's in lst.conf right?
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| 10:29 | <zeltron> in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 10:30 | add the line :
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| 10:30 | <adrien> or do I need to have a script for chown also? (right now it's only doing a chmod 644)
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| 10:30 | <zeltron> RCFILE_01=/etc/init.d/chmod-resolv.sh
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| 10:30 | <adrien> ok, this one I have
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| 10:30 | <zeltron> and of course, create the script chmod-resolv.sh in /etc/init.d
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| 10:31 | <adrien> in the server or in the chroot?
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| 10:31 | <zeltron> It must contain : chmod 644 /etc/resolv.conf
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| 10:31 | in the chroot
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| 10:31 | <zeltron> /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/
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| 10:32 | of course, you must ltsp-update-image after that !
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| 10:33 | <adrien> ok. It was already in the chroot and there is the right line in it
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| 10:33 | so how to be sure it is being read?
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| 10:34 | <zeltron> (Don't forget chmod +x /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/chmod-resolv.sh before update)
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| 10:34 | <adrien> right!
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| 10:35 | <zeltron> You can put another line like : echo "coucou" > /tmp/test
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| 10:35 | in your script if you want to be sure it's red
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| 10:36 | <adrien> that's what I must have been missing. I going to give it a try and restart a client
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| 10:36 | good idea
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| 10:36 | <zeltron> Ok... good luck
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| 10:36 | <adrien> thanks a lot!
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| 10:44 | <alkisg> zeltron: that bug was *only* in the beta release, it was fixed for the final release
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| 10:44 | You just need to specify DNS_SERVER and SEARCH_DOMAIN in lts.conf
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| 10:44 | No need for any scripts whatsoever...
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| 10:45 | ah, sorry, adrien ^^^
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| 10:47 | <adrien> zeltron: it works! such a little thing to think of but without you I would never have thought about it! You made my day
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| 10:48 | alkisg: it seems the script was needed indeed, because I had the SEARCH_DOMAIN and DNS_SERVER in lts.conf but it wouldn't connect. Or was it because the RCFILE was still there?
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| 10:49 | <alkisg> adrien: it's supposed to work with no scripts. I haven't heard of anyone having a problem after the beta...
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| 10:50 | <adrien> Maybe I'm running an older version? But I'd think ltsp in 9.04 is pretty up to date
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| 10:52 | however the fact is that making the script executable made the connection available again, so it might be used somewhere
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| 10:54 | <Gadi> cyberorg: ping
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| 10:55 | <cyberorg> Gadi, hiya :)
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| 10:55 | <Gadi> hey! quick question
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| 10:55 | does Suse run /etc/X11/Xsession in ldm
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| 10:55 | <alkisg> adrien: you can see your version with sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | grep ^ii
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| 10:55 | <cyberorg> yes /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession
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| 10:56 | <Gadi> cyberorg: ah, ok
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| 10:56 | <ogra> heh, xdm
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| 10:56 | <Gadi> and is that consistent across Suse/Novell, etc
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| 10:56 | <alkisg> adrien: jaunty was shipped with 5.1.65-0ubuntu2
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| 10:56 | <cyberorg> yes all suse versions
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| 10:56 | <ogra> thats so dead :)
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| 10:56 | <Gadi> cool
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| 10:56 | thx
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| 10:57 | * ogra guesses suse keeps that path for hysterical raisins only ... | |
| 10:57 | <ogra> i cant imagine a distro shipping xdm nowadays
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| 10:57 | <Gadi> mmm... raisins
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| 10:57 | bbiab
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| 10:58 | * cyberorg pimps openSUSE-Edu 11.2 hybrid live iso(dd to usb or burn to dvd), it has LTSP running out of the box | |
| 10:58 | <cyberorg> Gadi, you may want to get that in case you want to do some quick checking
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| 10:59 | <alkisg> cyberorg: is that hybrid thing a openSUSE specific trick? Or other distros also will do it?
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| 10:59 | <cyberorg> alkisg, mandriva does it too
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| 10:59 | <alkisg> Nice. I hope we'll see it in Ubuntu sometime...
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| 11:00 | <adrien> alkisg: this is the version I have. So I can't explain why I still need the script.
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| 11:00 | <cyberorg> yeah, it is new syslinux thing
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| 11:00 | <ogra> unlikely that ever enters ubuntu
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| 11:00 | <alkisg> Ouch. syslinux in Ubuntu is really out of date...
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| 11:00 | <ogra> on purpose
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| 11:00 | <cyberorg> ogra, "hysterical" sounds quite funny :D
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| 11:01 | <alkisg> ogra, my newer PCs can't even boot with the syslinux provided with karmic :(
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| 11:01 | I had to get the debian one
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| 11:01 | <ogra> did you file a bug ?
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| 11:01 | <alkisg> Sure, there was one already
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| 11:01 | * ogra wonders why the age of the HW would have any impact here | |
| 11:02 | <alkisg> And cjwatson said he accepts patches, but has no time to do it right now...
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| 11:02 | <ogra> right
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| 11:02 | <alkisg> I guess it's a controller thing, or a bios thing... I don't really know, but chain32 hanged my pcs
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| 11:02 | <ogra> and he wont switch to the new syslinux
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| 11:02 | that would mean to rewrite half the world
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| 11:03 | <alkisg> I wonder why does it need to be so much patched for Ubuntu...
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| 11:03 | <ogra> it doesnt
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| 11:04 | but there are a ton of other things that make use of it, they would need rewrites
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| 11:04 | which is why i said "that would mean to rewrite half the world"
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| 11:04 | <alkisg> Ah, I see... so the problem isn't really syslinux, but the other things that use it
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| 11:04 | <ogra> yes
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| 11:10 | <alkisg> Is there any way to let my users change their own real names? (== the comment field in /etc/passwd)
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| 11:11 | <ogra> i dont think thats exposed anywhere in the UI
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| 11:12 | <zeltron> alkisg : My ltsp server is jaunty, and I needed this script for resolv.conf too
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| 11:13 | <alkisg> ogra: It's in users-admin, but needs sudo access.. :(
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| 11:13 | <ogra> yeah
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| 11:13 | <alkisg> zeltron: my ltsp server is jaunty, and I don't need this script :)
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| 11:13 | <ogra> because it edits a root woned file
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| 11:13 | *owned
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| 11:13 | <alkisg> ogra: yeah, but chfn allows it
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| 11:13 | If you properly modify login.defs
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| 11:13 | But it doens't support utf8 chars
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| 11:13 | :(
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| 11:14 | usermod doesn't, though... so I wonder if anyone make a suid root utility for that case
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| 11:14 | *usermod doesn't support modifying the commend field, but does support utf8 chars
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| 11:14 | <zeltron> alkisg : Ah... that's a mistery !
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| 11:15 | <alkisg> zeltron: if you restore everything to its original settings, and just set DNS_SERVER and SEARCH_DOMAIN in lts.conf, doesn't it work for you?>
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| 11:15 | *I mean to delete any RC_SCRIPTS you put there...
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| 11:15 | <ogra> alkisg, well, patch gnome-about-me to user chfn then ;)
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| 11:16 | <zeltron> alkisg : I've got only one RC_SCRIPT there, and DNS_SERVER and SEARCH_DOMAIN are in lts.conf
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| 11:16 | <ogra> *use
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| 11:16 | <alkisg> ogra, gnome-about-me doesn't expose the comment field at all :(
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| 11:16 | <ogra> right
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| 11:16 | fix it ;)
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| 11:16 | <alkisg> Heh. I bet I'll get shouted at for policy reasons
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| 11:16 | <ogra> it exposes the real name
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| 11:17 | <ogra> add a "change" button next to it
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| 11:17 | <johnny> /me awaits the karmic koala
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| 11:17 | ready to upgrade my intrepid box at the store
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| 11:17 | <ogra> that calls a dialog which in turn uses chfn in the backend
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| 11:17 | <johnny> altho i hve to hold back wxwidgets and sqlaclhemy :(
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| 11:18 | <alkisg> Where do you use wxwidgets?
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| 11:18 | <johnny> our POS program
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| 11:18 | infoshopkeeper
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| 11:18 | <alkisg> ogra, chfn won't work, I'll have to also patch that to make it utf8 aware :D
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| 11:18 | <johnny> isn't theree some more standard way to do this kinda thing?
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| 11:18 | <ogra> great !
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| 11:18 | <johnny> would be nice to have a profile
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| 11:18 | <ogra> so you fix to things in opne go !
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| 11:18 | <alkisg> Bah... I'll just make a pygtk wrapper for personal use :D
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| 11:19 | <ogra> pfft
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| 11:19 | <johnny> would be better to use something like vcard or elsewise
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| 11:19 | <alkisg> It's the beurocracy I'm afraid of, not the code... ;)
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| 11:19 | <ogra> bah
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| 11:19 | <johnny> as right after that. you'll want to store something else
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| 11:19 | <ogra> coward
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| 11:19 | * alkisg bows head and accepts that he can't beat 40 years of unix heritage... | |
| 11:20 | <ogra> heh
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| 11:21 | <alkisg> So... are you BTSers going to finally decide to create an ltsp.conf?
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| 11:21 | <ogra> ??
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| 11:21 | <alkisg> for all the $BASE, NBDPORT etc variables...
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| 11:21 | <johnny> we already have that
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| 11:21 | <ogra> ugh
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| 11:21 | i hope not
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| 11:21 | <johnny> $BASE .. but not NBDPORT
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| 11:21 | for the specific commands
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| 11:22 | <alkisg> johnny: nah... most things are provided only as command line parameters
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| 11:22 | <johnny> if you look at the code it sources various files
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| 11:22 | ltsp-build-client, ltsp-update-kernel, ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 11:22 | <ogra> why would you want that in a conf file ?
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| 11:22 | <johnny> they all source the equivalent configfile
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| 11:22 | <ogra> it never changes once you created your chroot/image
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| 11:22 | <johnny> ogra, something like gobo linux does
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| 11:22 | where they rewrite all the paths to something more like osx
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| 11:22 | <ogra> it will just add an extra point to mess up the system
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| 11:23 | <alkisg> ogra, e.g. there's a bug filed for nbdport and the lack of a way to properly set it
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| 11:23 | <ogra> then gobo should use the right paths as defaults in their port of ltsp
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| 11:24 | alkisg, you can set it in pxelinux.conf
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| 11:24 | s/conf/cfg/
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| 11:24 | <alkisg> which gets overwritten after update-kernels :)
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| 11:24 | <ogra> right, thats a bug we should fix
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| 11:24 | instead of inventing new config files as hackish workarounds ;)
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| 11:25 | <alkisg> All the "fashionable" packages have a .conf file... why not ltsp? :P :D
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| 11:25 | <ogra> youre such a fashion junkie :P
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| 11:26 | really, lets rather make the code DTRT
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| 11:26 | <alkisg> DTRT?
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| 11:26 | <ogra> do the right thing :)
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| 11:27 | <alkisg> There are places in the code where hackish autodetection is used, and which would benefit from a .conf file
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| 11:27 | <ogra> the config where NBDPORT is set is pxelinux.cfg ... we already have a config file
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| 11:27 | in stead of fixing the hackish autodetection ?!?
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| 11:27 | <alkisg> Yes. I.e. provide a reasonable default, and if the admin want something different, he could just modify the .conf file
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| 11:28 | <ogra> we set a reasonable default
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| 11:28 | <alkisg> Sometimes autodetection is much worse than that
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| 11:28 | <ogra> the prob is that admin changes get overwritten with that default
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| 11:28 | <alkisg> OK gimme 5' to find specific code examples..
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| 11:28 | <ogra> so lets *fix* the code, not add more hacks
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| 11:29 | and yes, i'm aware thats true for many places
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| 11:29 | no need to search for them :)
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| 11:29 | <alkisg> OK
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| 11:29 | <ogra> make sure to file bugs for each of them if you come across one
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| 11:30 | so we can fix stuff in the right places
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| 11:30 | <alkisg> Let's take nbdport as an example. Either pxelinux.cfg should *not* be automatically generated, or it should provide for a way to set nbdport, right?
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| 11:30 | <ogra> it should simply check if the admin changed it
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| 11:30 | <alkisg> I don't think that's a good way to do it
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| 11:30 | <ogra> and respect the chnages the admin added by parsing it
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| 11:30 | <alkisg> If the admin put 1234 lines in there, and 123 of them have an nbdport for some other reason?
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| 11:30 | <brendan0powers> sbalneav: Hey, openauth is taken(surpise!)
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| 11:31 | sbalneav: so I'l have to come up with something else
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| 11:31 | <alkisg> I'd prefer a conf file for that case
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| 11:31 | * ogra doesnt | |
| 11:31 | <alkisg> :)
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| 11:31 | <ogra> we have way to many conf options where we could have done bvetter with better auto-behavior
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| 11:31 | the lts.conf documentation makes me cry ...
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| 11:31 | <brendan0powers> sbalneav: perhaps open authentication server(openas), or warren suggests authentazilla:)
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| 11:32 | <alkisg> Sure, autodetection is a good thing. I just don't think it should be used for *everything*
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| 11:32 | Heh, the lts.conf is another story ;)
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| 11:32 | <ogra> it grew exactly to what i always tried to avoid
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| 11:33 | and i'm very sad that i dont have the time to add better solutions to many of the things :(
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| 11:33 | <johnny> ogra, perhaps you should add a TODO for that
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| 11:34 | even if you can't implement it yourself
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| 11:34 | <ogra> that means i need time to do a close code audit
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| 11:34 | and i dont even have the time for that
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| 11:34 | <johnny> just add as you notice something
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| 11:34 | <ogra> and given that i know whats ahead for me in lucid i will even have less time for ltsp
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| 11:34 | :/
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| 11:35 | * alkisg is happy to have ogra around even if he doesn't have time for ltsp coding anymore :) | |
| 11:35 | <johnny> yes ogra
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| 11:35 | ogra.. do you have a proper jid? if so.. can i have it?
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| 11:35 | in pm if you want
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| 11:35 | <ogra> jid ?
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| 11:35 | <johnny> your xmpp account?
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| 11:35 | <alkisg> Just In time Debugging :P
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| 11:36 | <ogra> ogra@jabber.org i think
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| 11:36 | though i havent used that for years
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| 11:36 | <johnny> well that is pointless then..
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| 11:36 | <ogra> right
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| 11:36 | <IHS_Volunteer> So, I'm running an LTSP server, and trying out some of the pentium MMX's. The ones with ATI cards all work, but using an S3 Virge doesn't start X. a pentium 3 using the S3 Virge card successfully started X.
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| 11:37 | <johnny> pentium mmx sounds a bit uhmm.. underpowered..
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| 11:37 | <alkisg> IHS_Volunteer: so if you put XSERVER=vesa in lts.conf, they start?
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| 11:37 | <IHS_Volunteer> alkisg, I haven't tried that. I'll see.
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| 11:38 | <alkisg> (virge has 2 driver variants, I think, and isn't always properly autodetected...)
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| 11:41 | <IHS_Volunteer> also: A Pentium mmx is good enough to stream a youtube video to at about 20-25FPS, limited more by the network than the CPU it seems...same as all the other things I'm using as thin clients.
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| 11:43 | Pentium MMX with ATI Rage II, Pentium II with ATI Rage II, Athlon 64 3500+'s with ATI R300 based chips in an Xpress200 chipset.
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| 11:43 | <IHS_Volunteer> also, it seems to have worked with the Vesa option
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| 11:44 | seems a bit buggy.. sheering, and what not.
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| 11:46 | <alkisg> Vesa is much slower
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| 11:46 | <johnny> are you using LDM_DIRECTX=Y in your lts.conf ?
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| 11:46 | <alkisg> What's the pci id for that card?
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| 11:46 | <johnny> which distro/distro version are you running IHS_Volunteer ?
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| 11:47 | <IHS_Volunteer> Yeah, I'm using directx. and I'm using ubuntu 9.04 32bit on both the server and as the clients.
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| 11:47 | Also, I have no idea what the pci id is on it.
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| 11:48 | <alkisg> IHS_Volunteer: put SHELL_02=shell and SHELL_07=ldm in lts.conf
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| 11:48 | Then switch to vt2, and run lspci -nn|grep VGA
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| 11:48 | <ogra> s/SHELL/SCREEN/
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| 11:48 | (unless that changed recently)
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| 11:48 | <alkisg> right ^^^, SCREEN_02
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| 11:49 | ...and SCREEN_07
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| 11:50 | <IHS_Volunteer> Obviously going to have to buy a bunch of videocards, I'm thinking ATI Rage X's because they are readily available and cheap. I was testing what we have that we could use.
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| 11:51 | Rage XL's*
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| 11:53 | <alkisg> @(#&$*(@# users-admin properly supports the org.freedesktop.systemtoolsbackend.self.set policy kit setting, with which the users could change their own real names. ***But*** it refuses to start if the user isn't in the admin group! :(
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| 11:54 | <IHS_Volunteer> Now uh, as my knowledge extends to what I've had to do before.. what's the PCI id number going to look like?
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| 11:56 | <alkisg> alkisg@alkis:~$ lspci -nn|grep VGA
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| 11:56 | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600M GT [10de:0407] (rev a1)
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| 11:56 | My pci id is 10de:0407...
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| 11:57 | <IHS_Volunteer> K,
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| 11:58 | 5333:8a01
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| 11:58 | There's an S3 trio onboard that's listed as well.
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| 11:59 | <alkisg> two cards?
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| 11:59 | <IHS_Volunteer> There's an onboard S3 trio, that I was giving up on, and an S3 Virge PCI video card.
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| 12:00 | <alkisg> Hmmm maybe the driver gets mixed up with 2 similar cards... doesn't the onboard one work if you take out the virge one?
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| 12:01 | <IHS_Volunteer> Nope.
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| 12:01 | It tries to start x, falls back to screen 1, tries again, and repeat.
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| 12:03 | <alkisg> What's the id of the onboard?
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| 12:05 | <IHS_Volunteer> 5333:8901
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| 12:05 | <alkisg> The ids are OK, the onboard is in s3.ids and the pci on in s3virge.ids...
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| 12:07 | So if they don't start, you should look for problems mentioned in xorg.0.log etc
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| 12:10 | <IHS_Volunteer> Well, I just realized I don't know where that is
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| 12:11 | <alkisg> In vt2 on the client, in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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| 12:18 | <IHS_Volunteer> doesn't exist. but a Xorg.7.log existed. I used cat on it, it was huge. I I don't know if I have anything more suited to view it installed besides nano.
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| 12:19 | <johnny> grep WW or grep EE on it
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| 12:19 | first EE i guess
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| 12:19 | <IHS_Volunteer> Ah, fatal error, can not run in framebuffer mode, please specify bus ids...
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| 12:20 | for all framebuffer devices
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| 12:20 | wait, that's at the end of it
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| 12:21 | grep ee mentions no monitor specified for it
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| 12:22 | <alkisg> You need to *remove* XSERVER=vesa and *then* see the logs...
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| 12:22 | <johnny> EE not ee :)
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| 12:22 | big diff
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| 12:23 | <IHS_Volunteer> johnny, ah, I'm using a busted keyboard, I'm forgetting things while making loud noises failing to get buttons to push
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| 12:23 | Also, I think I did disable XSERVER=vesa
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| 12:24 | I did disable vesa
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| 12:25 | <alkisg> IHS_Volunteer: you can run scp Xorg.7.log some_user@server: ==> and then look at it from the server, or upload it to pastebot...
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| 12:26 | <johnny> perhaps ltsp should skip with that wgetpaste or somethin..
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| 12:28 | <IHS_Volunteer> installing pastebinit. that might make life easier.
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| 12:29 | <alkisg> Are you sure you have internet access from the terminals?
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| 12:29 | <IHS_Volunteer> I just found that I don't.
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| 12:30 | and I forgot how to use scp.. I suppose only using twice in the past year might be part of it.
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| 12:31 | <Appiah> scp localfile user@remotserver:/path/to/file
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| 12:31 | <IHS_Volunteer> thanks
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| 12:35 | <IHS_Volunteer> !pastebot
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| 12:35 | <ltspbot> IHS_Volunteer: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 12:36 | <alkisg> johnny: you once told Ryan about a dbus exploring app, could you tell me which one that was?
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| 12:36 | <ltsppbot> "IHS_Volunteer" pasted "xorg logfile" (223 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/595
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| 12:36 | <johnny> d-feet
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| 12:36 | that's one of em anyways
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| 12:36 | <alkisg> ty
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| 12:38 | <Gadi> IHS_Volunteer: try adding: MODULE_01 = "sisfb" to lts.conf
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| 12:42 | <kusznir> Hi again: i'm still having issues getting dual-head to work on my DevonIT TC5's (Intel 945 graphics, dual-DVI). I've tried the stuff Gadi sent me last week on this channel, but so far none of it has appeared to have an effect.
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| 12:43 | At this point, I'm not sure how to proceed or troublshoot this further...The built-in OS (DeTOSS, a micro-linux distro) does to Xcinerama on both displays, so I know its possible...
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| 12:45 | <IHS_Volunteer> Gadi, it doesn't seem like that helped any.
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| 12:46 | <alkisg> IHS_Volunteer: are you using a vga=xx kernel command line parameter?
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| 12:46 | (in pxelinux.cfg/default...)
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| 12:47 | <IHS_Volunteer> alkisg, I'm using defaults, excluding auto-logins.
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| 12:47 | <alkisg> ok
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| 12:49 | <IHS_Volunteer> The problem with specifying things specifically to machines is the idea that those machines will be replaced, and the next person to manage whatever LTSP server I setup will mostly be using the GUI, and not know how to even begin editing the config file to remove its specific settings.
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| 12:50 | <Gadi> kusznir: are you logged into one of those machines at the moment?
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| 12:50 | <kusznir> Logged into the term server at the moment.
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| 12:50 | <Gadi> can you be logged in from one of the thin clients that you want dualhead on?
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| 12:51 | <kusznir> Ok. Is it easy to turn on ssh? (the thin client is in the next room over)
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| 12:51 | <Gadi> no, I mean actually log into one of those thin clients, so we can work on it while ur logged in at it
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| 12:52 | as opposed to changing stuff and running back and forth blindly
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| 12:53 | <kusznir> Ok...I'll get my laptop out and log into irc from there.
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| 12:53 | <IHS_Volunteer> these P1's need soundcards too, I think. their sound is playing from the server, while every other machine has pulse-audio working on them and the sound plays from them. so a 15 dollar videocard and a 6 dollar soundcard is pretty cheap for a thin-client. :/
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| 12:55 | <IHS_Volunteer> And my time for the day is up, later.
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| 12:58 | <kusznir_> Gadi: Ok, I'm on my laptop in front of the thin client.
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| 12:59 | <alkisg> Yeah!!! After some loooong goooogling, I found it: "userinfo: A graphical equivilient to chfn." ;)
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| 13:00 | <Gadi> kusznir_: ok, let's do this: pop open a terminal window
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| 13:00 | then run: ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 13:01 | which should give you an xterm on the thin client
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| 13:01 | <kusznir_> Gadi: Ok, done.
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| 13:01 | <Gadi> from within the xterm, type: xrandr -q
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| 13:01 | or just xrandr
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| 13:01 | and pastebot the results
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| 13:01 | <kusznir_> Top resoluton is 1280x1024, and is *'erd.
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| 13:02 | <Gadi> I want to see all of the outputs
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| 13:02 | <kusznir_> (I have two 1280x1024 panels attached to this client)
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| 13:02 | Ok.
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| 13:02 | !pastebin
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| 13:02 | <ltspbot> kusznir_: "pastebin" is try !pastebot
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| 13:02 | <kusznir_> !pastebot
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| 13:02 | <ltspbot> kusznir_: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 13:03 | <ltsppbot> "kusznir_" pasted "xrandr output" (12 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/596
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| 13:03 | <Gadi> Ok, so you have three known outputs:
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| 13:03 | VGA, TMDS-1, and TV
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| 13:04 | <Gadi> do you have a VGA-to-DVI dongle on the VGA output?
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| 13:04 | <kusznir_> except in this case, there are only two TDMS outputs.
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| 13:04 | There is no VGA output...there are two DVI ports
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| 13:04 | <Gadi> ah, ok, but the driver is not aware of that
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| 13:04 | <kusznir_> There is most definitely no TV output...
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| 13:05 | Yea, that seems to be the problem...how to tell the driver what it really has :)
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| 13:05 | <Gadi> it could be that your thin client hardware actually uses DVI attached to a VGA channel
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| 13:05 | let's try this:
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| 13:05 | from the xterm window, do:
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| 13:06 | xrandr --output VGA --left-of TMDS-1 --auto
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| 13:06 | <kusznir_> Gadi: no change
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| 13:07 | <Gadi> ok
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| 13:07 | so, in that case, Devon may drive both DVIs with a single channel
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| 13:07 | lets see what we can do...
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| 13:08 | run (in the regular terminal) man intel
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| 13:08 | which will give you intel driver options
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| 13:10 | <Gadi> ah, ok
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| 13:10 | <ltsppbot> "kusznir_" pasted "ltsp-generated xorg.conf" (18 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/597
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| 13:10 | <Gadi> so if you read the man file, it says that the second DVI port SVDO2 is not supported by xrandr in the driver
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| 13:11 | <Gadi> that means, you need to add it statically in the xorg.conf file
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| 13:12 | <Gadi> which, in your case, is probably easiest if you copy the one that is working off of the embedded OS
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| 13:12 | place it in a file in the chroot,
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| 13:12 | and use: X_CONF = /path/to/file
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| 13:12 | in lts.conf
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| 13:12 | for that terminal
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| 13:12 | (or those groups of terminals)
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| 13:29 | <kusznir_> Question: I have one old PC that I'm using as a thin client that has an nvidia card in it..How do I get the nvidia binary driver installed inside the chroot (assuming its needed over the nv driver)
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| 13:31 | <Lns> kusznir: I would assume simply chrooting to the client chroot and running the nvidia install binary?
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| 13:31 | then specifying it in lts.conf..? I might be wrong though
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| 13:32 | <alkisg> kusznir_: that isn't a good idea unless (a) all your clients have nvidia or (b) you have a different chroot for this client
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| 13:32 | That's because the nvidia drivers replace the opengl libraries with their own versions
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| 13:33 | <kusznir_> alkisg: good point....I didn't think about that.
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| 13:33 | <alkisg> If you really need it, just install neuvaou...
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| 13:33 | <kusznir_> I should start with seeing what driver its running, and go from there.
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| 13:33 | <alkisg> nv should be running, but it doesn't support xv
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| 13:35 | <kusznir_> Is there an easy way to deturmine what X interface (xv, etc) an application is using without digging into the source code/etc?
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| 13:38 | <kusznir_> Gadi: Update: I've managed to get the custom X conf file to active both outputs, but presently its mirroring the displays; I'm working on trying to get it as "extended desktop" style.
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| 13:44 | <_dvorak__> hi all, managed to get a working LTSP server-client setup with ldm in SCREEN_x and rdesktop (for windows) in SCREEN_y
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| 13:46 | however, SCREEN_y keeps flickering (connecting/disconnecting perhaps)
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| 13:46 | any ideas?
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| 13:47 | <kusznir_> It appears that my application uses X11 rendering, according to someone over on ##gnome.
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| 14:03 | <monteslu> oin #tux4kids
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| 14:03 | err /j :)
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| 14:20 | <adrien> Hello. I have a question concerning the local devices option and group policy. I work in a school and I have different people with either teacher or student as their primary group, but when someone from, let's say, the teacher group plug a usb device, it will show on every other client connected with a user in that group. Is there a way to make it so only the user who plugs the device can see it without changing everybody's primary group?
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| 14:23 | <johnny> nope
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| 14:23 | the users should be in their own primary group
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| 14:23 | <Gadi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LocaldevCommonGroupWorkaround
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| 14:23 | <johnny> Gadi, a workaround?
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| 14:24 | weak
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| 14:24 | <Gadi> everything's got a workaround ;)
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| 14:25 | <adrien> And is it recommended to have so many group names then?
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| 14:25 | <Gadi> adrien: I'm in your camp
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| 14:25 | the above is really a bug
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| 14:26 | sbalneav was gonna have a look at it over the weekend
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| 14:26 | when he lands, I'll poke him about it
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| 14:27 | <adrien> Gadi: thanks a lot! I've had a look at your link and it will do just fine. But true it shouldn't be needed in the first place.
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| 14:29 | <vagrantc> Gadi: glad the ltspfs mounter.d hooks proved to be useful! :)
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| 14:35 | <tstafford> so i'm trying to get an rdesktop session to allow access to local usb devices... and i found a bunch of mailing list messages saying this can be done by installing ltspfs in the chroot and redirecting /media/root to the client
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| 14:35 | but i'm not able to make that work
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| 14:36 | maybe someone can help me find what i might be doing wrong, i'm running ubuntu 9.04
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| 14:39 | <vagrantc> Gadi'sthe localdev rdesktop wizard
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| 14:39 | <Gadi> !RDP-localdev
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| 14:39 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "RDP-localdev" is when I want to use local devices in an LTSP rdesktop session. See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/RdesktopLocaldev
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| 14:40 | <vagrantc> see
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| 14:40 | <tstafford> fast too :)
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| 14:59 | <vagrantc> wow. ltspfs hasn't seen a single update since mid july.
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| 14:59 | that's feeling rather stable.
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| 15:00 | <tstafford> Gadi: I'm getting \\tsclient\drives, but it's empty. I can access the device from an LDM session though. Also, I don't see /media/root on the thin client
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| 15:00 | <vagrantc> though i probably mucked a few things up in the last round of commits.
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| 15:01 | <Gadi> tstafford: are you sure ltspfs is installed in the chroot?
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| 15:01 | when you are on the thin client, do: dpkg -l ltspfs
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| 15:01 | or: ls /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> or from the server: dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l ltspfs
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| 15:01 | <Gadi> ah, but on ubuntu, that may not be equivalent, vagrantc
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> true enough.
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| 15:02 | <vagrantc> if they're not in sync though, that's probably because someone was making changes that they were expecting to go live...
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| 15:02 | <tstafford> yes all of those show that it's installed, and i have ltspfsmounter
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| 15:03 | i don't know how to copy and paste from xterm though
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| 15:03 | <Gadi> ok, on the client, unplug the USB and plug it in
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| 15:03 | then, do ls -a /tmp/
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| 15:03 | and see if it creates a /tmp/.root-ltspfs
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| 15:03 | or some such
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| 15:04 | <tstafford> i have .None-ltspfs
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| 15:04 | <Gadi> aha!
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| 15:04 | you need a newer ltspfs
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> it's *that* bug. :)
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| 15:04 | <Gadi> what version is there?
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| 15:05 | sounds like you're using one that vagrantc mucked with ;)
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> no
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| 15:05 | <tstafford> ii ltspfs 0.5.10-0ubuntu1 Fuse based remote filesystem for LTSP thin clients
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| 15:05 | * Gadi thinks he doth protest too much | |
| 15:05 | <Gadi> :)
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| 15:05 | tstafford: lets see if we can geet you at least on to -12
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| 15:05 | 0.5.12
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| 15:05 | or 0.5.13
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| 15:06 | <tstafford> can i just grab a package from karmic or something like that?
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| 15:06 | <Gadi> you should grab the ltspfs and ltspfsd packages
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| 15:06 | <Gadi> or update the sources.list in the chroot
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| 15:06 | <tstafford> ok
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| 15:06 | <Gadi> to include jaunty updates
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| 15:06 | <Gadi> (probably safer)
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| 15:06 | <tstafford> ah
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| 15:07 | <Gadi> that should get you at least 0.5.12
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| 15:07 | <tstafford> ok great
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| 15:07 | thanks :)
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| 15:07 | <Gadi> remember to upgrade ltspfsd and ltspfs
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| 15:07 | since they kinda go together
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| 15:08 | <vagrantc> i wonder if we shouldn't set up an == versioned dependency.
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| 15:08 | <tstafford> ok... i should probably do the same on the server environment too right? for ltspfs
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| 15:08 | <Gadi> probably, if it isnt already
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| 15:08 | but less important
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| 15:14 | <Guest89556> Hello. My first time in this chat. I have installed ltsp on hardy. Client boots and i can login but i have no windowmanager. I tried to chroot into /opt/ltsp/i386/ and install kubuntu-desktop. Is this the correct way?
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| 15:15 | <tstafford> it doesn't look like it's in jaunty-updates btw http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=ltspfs
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| 15:16 | <Gadi> Guest89556: not at all
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| 15:16 | the chroot is a minimal OS to get things up and running
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| 15:17 | when you log in through ldm, you are logging into the server
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| 15:17 | so it is important that the server have a window manager, desktop, etc
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| 15:17 | <Guest89556> ok i need to install the windowmanger on the server themself?
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| 15:17 | <Gadi> right - it is a terminal server
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| 15:18 | only the display is pushed back to the thin client
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| 15:18 | any app you want to use, you should install on the server
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| 15:18 | <Guest89556> hmmm, this is not what i want. I think i need a vm for the server
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| 15:19 | <Gadi> what is it you want?
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| 15:21 | <Guest89556> i want the terminal server in a new system. So I think i will put it on an vm
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| 15:31 | <Lns> Guest89556: did you install ubuntu server or desktop ISO?
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| 15:46 | <Guest89556> server iso
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| 15:46 | without desktop
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| 16:03 | <mcarter> hello
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| 16:04 | I am using ubuntu 9.10 beta, and I chose "ltsp server" from the alternate mode, and I'm now able to boot a thin client. But I think the process stops halfway through... it mounts 'floppy0' on the desktop, but in gnome-terminal / is still the same / as the server, and there's no /oldroot. Is this correct?
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| 16:05 | <Lns> Guest89556: so that's your problem
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| 16:11 | <Lns> Guest89556: From the shell, type "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
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| 16:11 | that will pull all of your needed desktop environment packages down and install them on the server
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| 16:14 | <Guest89556> I know how to install the desktop. But I don't want it. I thought that the client got whole system from chroot. But now it all make sence.
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| 16:15 | <johnny> mcarter, that's correct..
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| 16:16 | i don't know about the process stopping halfway through, but what you said is how it works
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| 16:16 | <mcarter> johnny, I thought the filesystem would mount /opt/ltsp/i386 as / on the thin client
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| 16:16 | <johnny> it does.. sorta
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| 16:17 | but you only see that on the console
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| 16:17 | as in i fyou logged into the virtual console at ctrl+alt+f1-6
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| 16:17 | <mcarter> oh, gotcha
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| 16:17 | <johnny> otherwise yo'ure logged into the server
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| 16:17 | see
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| 16:17 | !docs
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| 16:17 | <ltspbot> johnny: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 16:17 | <johnny> pretty sure it explains all that
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| 16:18 | <mcarter> Well, the thin client doesn't seem to be picking up changes from my ltsp.conf
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| 16:18 | <johnny> lts.conf ?
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| 16:19 | there is no ltsp.conf
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| 16:19 | <mcarter> right, typo, sorry
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| 16:19 | <johnny> typo in your file?
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| 16:19 | or typo in the room
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| 16:19 | <mcarter> in the room
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| 16:19 | <johnny> what do you have in there?
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| 16:19 | <mcarter> though I just realized, its not automatic on this ubuntu deployment
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| 16:20 | <johnny> automatic?
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| 16:20 | what's not automatic
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| 16:20 | <mcarter> I have to go rebuild the image
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| 16:20 | <johnny> which version is that?
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| 16:20 | you put the file in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 16:20 | <mcarter> I'm using the ubuntu 9.10 beta
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| 16:20 | <johnny> so you don't have to rebuild the image
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| 16:20 | <mcarter> oh, perfect. thanks
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| 16:21 | <vagrantc> doesn't it say that right at the top of /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf ?
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| 16:21 | <johnny> i was just gonna say that..
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| 16:21 | <Lns> Guest89556: you don't want your ltsp clients to get the gui?
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| 16:21 | man...that sounds dirty =p
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| 16:21 | <mcarter> vagrantc, johnny: I used a script from a friend that overwrote that file... sorry, and thanks
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| 16:22 | * Lns checks to see if gadi is around | |
| 16:23 | <Guest89556> sure, the client need an gui. Currently i read how to install an headless virtualbox on my server. The VirtualBox will host the ltsp server
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| 16:23 | thanks a lot for the info. Now i can go on........
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| 16:23 | <Lns> Guest89556: ok i think i gotcha now
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| 16:23 | Guest89556: so you want an LTSP "boot" server basically, then a separate application server for your clients?
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| 16:24 | <Guest89556> currect
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| 16:24 | <Lns> aaaaaaaahhh, ok
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| 16:24 | <Guest89556> is there an other way to create an application server?
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| 16:25 | <mgariepy> Guest89556, did you took a look at ltsp-cluster ?
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| 16:25 | <Lns> Guest89556: you really don't need anything besides a vanilla install of ubuntu-desktop
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| 16:25 | <vagrantc> install ldm-server or ldminfod if available.
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| 16:26 | <Lns> Guest89556: you point your lts.conf SERVER= to the ip of your app server and then the clients will go to that for their GUI
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| 16:26 | <Guest89556> i need ubuntu-desktop and any programm the clients would like to start. Isn't it?
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| 16:27 | <Lns> Guest89556: yes, on your application server
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| 16:28 | <Guest89556> today i would like the clients to run debian sid, tomorror maybe ubuntu jaunty or hardy. I like it to switch.
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| 16:29 | <Lns> Guest89556: cool, so that's a good way to go..brb, gonna get some lunch
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| 16:32 | <Guest89556> wait, i could create a chroot and start x in the chroot.
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| 16:34 | <Guest89556> so i need to turn around the ssh request into the chroot jail. I must sleep about it. Good Night........
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| 16:36 | * vagrantc wonders if people will stop over-thinking how to do things and just do them. | |
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| 18:47 | <scottmaccal> hi all
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| 18:50 | * scottmaccal phew | |
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| 19:01 | <petre> So, has anyone who was at LTSP By The Sea posted pictures yet?
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| 19:09 | <mcarter> I specified a custom xorg.conf file in my lts.conf, and now when the client boots it has the proper resolution on the login screen. After I login, I have a black screen (with the proper resolution) and a mouse cursor, but thats it. It seems like an x session is active, but nothing else. Any ideas what the cause might be?
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| 20:23 | <dtrask> sbalneav: are you guys back yet?
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| 21:56 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 21:56 | !karma
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| 21:56 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Highest karma: "jammcq" (8192), "beer" (86), and "whiskey" (36). Lowest karma: "dtrask" (-37), "chrisinajar" (-20), and "chrisinajar--jar" (-1). You (sbalneav) are ranked 4 out of 17.
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| 22:04 | <Ryan52> !karma Ryan52
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| 22:04 | <ltspbot> Ryan52: Ryan52 has neutral karma.
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| 22:05 | <Ryan52> :(
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| 22:09 | <sbalneav> !Ryan++
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| 22:09 | !karma Ryan52
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| 22:09 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Ryan52 has neutral karma.
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| 22:10 | <sbalneav> Whoops
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| 22:10 | !Ryan52++
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| 22:10 | !karma Ryan52
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| 22:10 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Karma for "Ryan52" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
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| 22:10 | <Ryan52> :)
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| 22:10 | <sbalneav> There.
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| 22:10 | <Ryan52> thanks
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| 22:10 | <sbalneav> Lets ditch the stupid karmas now :)
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| 22:24 | <sbalneav> !karma
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| 22:24 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Highest karma: "jammcq" (8192), "dtrask" (7), and "sbalneav" (5). Lowest karma: "Ahmuck" (1), "moxie" (1), and "brendan" (1). You (sbalneav) are ranked 3 out of 11.
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| 22:27 | <alkisg> !sbalneav++
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| 22:27 | :)
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| 22:54 | <sbalneav> So, looks like my group apply patches will be included upstream for Sabayon.
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| 23:26 | <sbalneav> Hmmm, think I got caught in the netsplit
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| 23:27 | ltspbot: status
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| 23:27 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: I am connected to freenode as ltspbot.
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| 23:32 | <cyberorg> !sbalneav++
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| 23:33 | just because you are around when i woke up :)
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| 23:33 | <sbalneav> heh, gimme karma when I deserve it :)
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| 23:33 | heading to bed, I think.
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| 23:33 | <sbalneav> night all
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| 23:34 | <cyberorg> well you deserve it too, 'night
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