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Channel log from 14 March 2019 (all times are UTC)

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13:26	<\|\|cw> following http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation/Ubuntu is I want to manually handle the dhcp settings on my existing dhcp server, not using anything on the ltsp host, do i just not run ltsp-config dnsmasq?
13:26	and also disable dnsmasq, of course
13:37	just once I want to click the "i'm not a robot" box and have it fail.
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14:00	<alkisg> \|\|cw: in general, using proxydhcp is recommended; if you're sure you don't want proxydhcp, you just run ltsp-config dnsmasq --no-proxy-dhcp
14:00	For example, in the next ltsp version, we'll start using ipxe, and have some "if client=xx send this boot filename, else the other" parts
14:00	So using proxydhcp you'd avoid the need to replicate all that login in your main dhcp server
14:01	(different files for ipxe, non ipxe, uefi, non-uefi, raspberries etc)
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15:14	<\|\|cw> at the moment I have multiple ltsp servers with incompatible configs, and also normal PXE boot for diag utils. I'd liek to simplify that, but baby steps...
15:18	my main concern is what chaos will happen by suddenly introducing a proxydhcp
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19:21	<\|\|cw> !install
19:21	<ltsp> install: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation/Ubuntu for Ubuntu, or http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation for other distributions
19:22	<\|\|cw> ppa:ts.sch.gr seems dead/missing?
19:22	should there be ~ in there?
19:25	or, is this command not using my a apt-proxy....
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19:35	<\|\|cw> grr, goal is to not give this system direct internet and nly allow apt via proxy
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19:35	<\|\|cw> via apt-cacher-ng, specifically
19:40	<mwalters> are you talking about the build image command?
19:40	with chroot?
19:44	<\|\|cw> no, just adding the PPA
19:44	<mwalters> ic
19:44	<\|\|cw> it 100% a proxy/internet issue, the add ppa and keyserv tools don't use the apt proxy config
19:44	<mwalters> ah ok
19:47	<\|\|cw> lol ubuntu's keyserver is down too?
19:47	this work for you? https://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?op=get&options=mr&exact=on&search=0x4F3A3E9FC07F4E831D87AC2D3C72607B03AFA832
19:47	add-apt-repository says 'Error reading https://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?op=get&options=mr&exact=on&search=0x4F3A3E9FC07F4E831D87AC2D3C72607B03AFA832: Service Unavailable'
19:47	<mwalters> sure looks broken
19:48	it's dead, jim
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20:13	<\|\|cw> vagrantc: do you have a test system you can try adding the PPA on? i think something is broken, not sure if it's just me and my draconian security tho
20:15	<vagrantc> i haven't ever used the PPAs ... i either use my own builds or upload to debian
20:16	and i don't have much of a test system other than some libvirtd/virt-manager virtual machines
20:20	<\|\|cw> add-apt-repository says 'Error reading https://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?op=get&options=mr&exact=on&search=0x4F3A3E9FC07F4E831D87AC2D3C72607B03AFA832: Service Unavailable'
20:20	which that url does seem to be broken. seems odd for ubuntu's keyserv to be down tho
20:23	<alkisg> \|\|cw: http://blog.emilburzo.com/2015/10/work-around-for-when-keyserverubuntucom.html
20:25	* \|\|cw head-desks
20:25	<\|\|cw> 'Error reading https://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?op=get&options=mr&exact=on&search=0x4F3A3E9FC07F4E831D87AC2D3C72607B03AFA832: Service Unavailable'
20:26	so, yeah, that didn't work
20:27	<vagrantc> just get the same key from some other keyserver network
20:30	<alkisg> \|\|cw: the link I gave you says to specify "-k pool.sks-keyservers.net"; it works for me here
20:30	keyserver.ubuntu doesn't; but the pool does
20:32	Hrm scratch that; it works with another ppa, but not with ts.sch.gr
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20:47	<\|\|cw> and the error still says https://keyserver.ubuntu.com
20:56	<alkisg> apt-key adv --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 03AFA832
20:57	Or just wait until they fix the server :D
20:58	<vagrantc> don't use short ids
20:58	use the full fingerprint if at all possible
20:58	<\|\|cw> and how's that done.
20:58	<vagrantc> there are already entire copies of the strong set with shortid collisions in the wild and on keyservers
20:59	<\|\|cw> in my search I also found that apt-key is in process of being deprecated
20:59	still works for now tho
20:59	but this key stuff is all complicated by the fact I want it to work through apt-cacher
21:00	and apt-key doesn't seem to
21:00	<alkisg> 4F3A 3E9F C07F 4E83 1D87 AC2D 3C72 607B 03AF A832
21:00	\|\|cw: apt cacher for plain web access?
21:01	<\|\|cw> well, for apt-related things.
21:01	<alkisg> Isn't that for deb caching? How are keys related to that?
21:01	I'm not sure that keys go through the cacher
21:01	Use http_proxy for plain web access for console programs
21:01	<\|\|cw> doenst need cached, just proxied
21:02	<alkisg> http_proxy then, not apt
21:02	<\|\|cw> yeah, the proxy env vars work for add-apt-repository, but not apt-key
21:04	woo server's back
21:15	well, that was more learning than I wanted to do today
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22:41	<mwalters> I hope you learned your lesson
22:52	<quinox> breaking stuff is the best way to learn
22:52	especially if it's a remotely located computer without a nice hardware control module :D
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