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Channel log from 28 October 2009 (all times are UTC)
| 00:01 | <johnny22> my users never see the desktop anyways
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| 00:01 | they just click firefox
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| 00:01 | and use the menu for openoffice
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| 00:01 | so.. no big deal
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| 00:02 | ok.. i'm heading home hopefully
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| 00:02 | bbiab
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| 01:39 | <nicku> how can use etherboot with ltsp-5
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| 01:39 | I have ubuntu 9.10 with ltsp5 and efw etherboot clients.
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| 01:51 | <alkisg> nicku: what do you mean? you just make a disk with it...
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| 01:51 | !rom-o-matic
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| 01:51 | <ltspbot> alkisg: Error: "rom-o-matic" is not a valid command.
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| 01:51 | <johnny> gentlemn
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| 01:51 | <alkisg> To create a gpxe image, you just visit http://rom-o-matic.net/
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| 01:52 | Hello johnny
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| 01:53 | <johnny> i spent the evening updating to jaunty.. so i can be ready to upgrade to karmic
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| 01:53 | lol
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| 01:53 | <alkisg> Hehe!!!
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| 01:53 | <johnny> and ran into the input/output error right away
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| 01:53 | in ltsp
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| 01:53 | err on nbd
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| 01:53 | <alkisg> That shouldn't cause you any problems, though, did it?
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| 01:53 | <johnny> so i had to upgrade to stgraber ppa.. and then had to build it twice
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| 01:53 | yes.. no dns resolution
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| 01:54 | cuz of a typo
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| 01:54 | <alkisg> Really?!!! I thought that was solved before Jaunty was out...
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| 01:54 | <johnny> uhmm..
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| 01:54 | not for me..
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| 01:54 | so i ended up building the chroot 4 times
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| 01:54 | it took awhile
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| 01:54 | <alkisg> Why didn't you just update the chroot?
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| 01:55 | (I mean, for the dns thing...)
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| 01:56 | <johnny> update it how?
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| 01:57 | chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 01:57 | <alkisg> ? sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get dist-upgrade ?
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| 01:57 | <johnny> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
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| 01:57 | did i have to do dist-upgrade
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| 01:57 | anyways.. ppa gave me also xlib fix anyways
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| 01:57 | so it was useful
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| 01:57 | <alkisg> I mean, after you put stgraber's ppa there, and instead of re-building it
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| 01:57 | <johnny> also i found a bug for stgraber :)
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| 01:57 | which i just committed
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| 01:57 | i guess i could have
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| 01:58 | that would have saved me one rebuild..
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| 01:58 | <alkisg> What bug?
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| 01:58 | <johnny> he had a typo
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| 01:58 | ldm-ubuntu-theme.. when the package is ldm-ubuntu-themes
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| 01:58 | <alkisg> Ahhh that's why I was seeing a lot of theme-related warnings... :)
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| 01:59 | <johnny> i just committed it, i hope he isn't upset
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| 02:00 | <alkisg> ii ldm-ubuntu-theme 2:2.0.41~ppa1~jaunty1 Ubuntu theme for the LTSP Display Manager
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| 02:00 | ii ldm-ubuntu-themes 2:2.0.41~ppa1~jaunty1 Themes for the LTSP Display Manager (transit
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| 02:00 | <johnny> hmm..
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| 02:00 | <alkisg> johnny: so I guess he'll be upset :P :D
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| 02:00 | <johnny> it wasn't working
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| 02:00 | it wouldn't even build until i did that
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| 02:01 | <alkisg> Is that on a "depends" line?
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| 02:01 | <johnny> it's on 030-artwork
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| 02:01 | in the ubuntu ltsp-build-client plugin set for ubuntu
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| 02:02 | it's possible that ldm-ubuntu-themes pulls in ldm-ubuntu-theme
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| 02:02 | i don't know
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| 02:02 | either way.. it's not available at that time
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| 02:03 | <alkisg> Hmmm what does that tell you now? apt-cache policy ldm-ubuntu-theme
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| 02:03 | Oh, I get it. In the chroot, you didn't have stgraber's sources
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| 02:03 | *ppa in your sources
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| 02:04 | So the code in launchpad works fine for Karmic, but not in a mixed "stgraber ppa/no stgraber ppa" environment
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| 02:05 | ..which would only happen in jaunty and only if you put stgraber's ppa in your sources before calling ltsp-build-client..
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| 02:05 | ...without specifying --copy-sources-list
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| 02:06 | <johnny> oh.. lemme revert that now..
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| 02:08 | <alkisg> johnny: better make it a conditional
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| 02:09 | Because there *are* people that put stgraber's ppa (or some other updated ltsp version) in their sources, and then call ltsp-build-client...
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| 02:11 | (potentially, all people that put stgraber's ppa in their sources, if they have big problems with the chroot and need to rebuild it, they'll hit this "bug"...)
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| 02:14 | <johnny> yes..
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| 02:15 | hmm.. how to make it conditional..
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| 02:15 | but i don't think stgraber wants it to have something specific to his ppa in here
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| 02:15 | in trunk i mean
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| 02:16 | hmm.. what's the best way to revert this commit for now
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| 02:16 | * alkisg looks at which packages are available for jaunty, and which ones in karmic... ldm-edubuntu-theme ldm-kubuntu-theme ldm-ubuntu-theme ldm-ubuntu-themes ldm-xubuntu-theme.. | |
| 02:16 | <johnny> stgraber, lemme know when you're about
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| 02:18 | <alkisg> The last diff (after jaunty): http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/1275#server/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/030-artwork
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| 02:22 | Ah so that file, at jaunty release, didn't even mention ldm-ubuntu-themes at all
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| 02:22 | <nicku> alkisg: I made a gpxe image and tried to boot the nbi.img. It loads it fine but and says done and then nothing
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| 02:22 | it halts there
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| 02:22 | <alkisg> nicku: if you made a gpxe image, you don't need to load nbd.img, but pxelinux.0 instead of it.
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| 02:23 | <nicku> alkisg: ah. ok
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| 02:23 | <alkisg> *nbi.img
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| 02:47 | <nicku> alkisg: thanks, it works
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| 02:48 | <alkisg> You're welcome. With pxelinux.0 it's also easier to pass kernel parameters to the clients, if you ever need them (from pxelinux.cfg/default)...
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| 06:04 | <nicku> alkisg: i have also a problem with firefox + flash and active directory users
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| 06:04 | <alkisg> nicku: well, ask it here in the channel, and see if someone (including me) can help you...
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| 06:04 | <nicku> for some reason when i use local user flash videos run fine but with ad user they stutter like mad
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| 06:06 | <nicku> i see that npviewer is running on ltsp server when using ad user and with local user it runs on the client. why is that
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| 06:06 | <alkisg> How are the ad users authenticated?
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| 06:07 | <nicku> through winbind+samba
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| 06:08 | <alkisg> Is that with ldm, or do you using some other screen script?
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| 06:08 | <nicku> ldm
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| 06:08 | <alkisg> (e.g. xdmcp or something)
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| 06:10 | I can't help with that. I don't even know when npviewer is needed - I've never seen it in my i386 installations...
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| 06:11 | <nicku> it is some plugin used with flash+firefox
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| 06:11 | <alkisg> I do have firefox+flash, but I don't see npviewer anywhere...
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| 06:11 | <nicku> i don't see it either with local user but with ad user i do
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| 06:12 | <alkisg> I mean, I don't even see it in my standalone ubuntu installation (no LTSP involved)
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| 06:12 | <nicku> alkisg: have u used ltsp cluster
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| 06:12 | <alkisg> Nope
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| 06:13 | <nicku> alkisg: do you know is there any reboot problems with ltsp5 on normal installations
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| 06:13 | i cant reboot my clients in ltsp cluster installation
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| 06:13 | <alkisg> Ah, I've heard of some recent complains about that...
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| 06:13 | <nicku> gives a lot of squashfs errors
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| 06:13 | <alkisg> ...I think there was even a patch about it
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| 06:14 | But I can't say for sure, I haven't even seen ltsp-cluster...
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| 06:14 | <nicku> i have had one for about two weeks. Everything else works great except the reboot
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| 06:15 | would love to know if there is any solution to that
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| 06:15 | <alkisg> See the recent bugs or commits in launchpad, maybe there's a solution there.
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| 06:54 | <nicku> should the localapps work with active directory users. Or is it bound to some user group or something
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| 07:26 | <cliebow> ogra:do you remember the steps to get wireless running in mac,,i have installed b43-fwcutter
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| 07:27 | <guaka> hi, how can I set up different ltsp images for different machines/users? I want to upgrade to ubuntu 9.10, but the last upgrade that happened without testing and lots of stuff broke down, so now I want to start using it myself first
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| 07:29 | <cliebow> rebooting...
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| 07:42 | <squarepeg> ogra:do yoy remember how to get bcm4300 in apple wireless running..i installed b43-fwcutter and see a wlan interface..
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| 07:43 | <ogra> then network manager should just care for it
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| 07:44 | <nicku> should the localapps work with active directory users. Or is it bound to some user group or something
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| 07:44 | <squarepeg> hmmm.. dont see wlan0 in wireless connections..id id add a lint in interfaces for wlan0 auto
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| 07:44 | <ogra> eek
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| 07:45 | dont touch any config files :)
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| 07:45 | <squarepeg> k
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| 07:45 | <ogra> if NM sees an entry for wlan0 in interfaces it wont manage it
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| 07:46 | technically you should just be able to click through the HW manager that does everything for you, reboot and see the interface in NM
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| 07:46 | <squarepeg> ok.. doesnt see it either way..
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| 07:46 | <ogra> what does HW manager say ?
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| 07:47 | <squarepeg> i simply did an install of b43-fwcutterany cli command beyond that
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| 07:47 | <ogra> System->Adminbistration->Hardware Drivers i think
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| 07:48 | <squarepeg> trying that..of course with one interface eth0 gets a dhcp address so dhcp right now
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| 07:48 | <ogra> i havent used b43-fwcutter since a long time (since we have the gui tool its only one click vs fumbling on the cmdline)
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| 07:49 | <squarepeg> it does see broadcom driver available and ifconfig shows wlan0
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| 07:49 | rebooting..
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| 07:49 | <ogra> whats the driver status ?
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| 07:49 | (should show a green chackmark or so)
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| 07:49 | <squarepeg> yes it does..reboot underway
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| 07:50 | <ogra> or a green dot
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| 07:50 | <squarepeg> coming up..
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| 07:51 | <IHS_Volunteer> with 4GB of RAM, a core 2 duo @ 1.8ghz, and 32bit clients... (up to 23-24 of them) should I go 64bit for the server?
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| 07:53 | * alkisg didn't, with similar servers... | |
| 07:53 | <IHS_Volunteer> 32bit simplifies my life a little, so 32bit it is then.
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| 07:54 | <alkisg> IHS_Volunteer: if you need to see that extra GB, install the linux-server kernel
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| 07:54 | <squarepeg> so yes fir sure a green dot..network manager does not see it.. for the hell of it i added a wireless connection but so far no ip
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| 07:54 | <alkisg> IHS_Volunteer: It's still 32 bit, but it uses PAE to see all the RAM
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| 07:57 | <squarepeg> with a manual address i get a ping so i guess i am close
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| 08:11 | <jammcq> bom dia meu amigos
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| 08:29 | <squarepeg> jammcq!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:31 | <jammcq> squarepeg: hey chuck
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| 08:33 | <squarepeg> Hiya..i got karmic running on a mac to build an img for scott maccallum (sp?)
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| 08:41 | <squarepeg> ooooh...rockin!
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| 08:41 | scottmaccal, rockin!
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| 09:01 | <nicku> why does localapps on work with local user
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| 09:07 | <nicku> why does localapps only work with local user
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| 09:18 | <Gadi> vmlintu: ping
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| 09:18 | <vmlintu> Gadi: yep
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| 09:18 | <Gadi> saw your post about shutdown/reboot
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| 09:18 | it seems we still call "poweroff -p"
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| 09:19 | it should probably be "poweroff -fp"
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| 09:19 | in gtkgreet/greeter.c
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| 09:19 | same with "reboot -p"
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| 09:19 | <adrien> Hello! Again I come to beg for some help. I'm trying to set up a USB printer connected to a thin client but I had no luck with all the doc I could find on the net. I cannot see the printer from the server. Also if I log into a thin client as an admin user I can see the printer in browser (localhost:631) but not in the administration GUI, but if I log with the server login and password it doesn't show at all. What can I be doing wrong? (I'm on
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| 09:19 | Ubuntu 9.04)
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| 09:19 | <Gadi> should be "reboot -fp"
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| 09:20 | <ogra> when was that changed ?
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| 09:20 | <Gadi> dunno - we talked about his bug many times
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| 09:20 | but, I dont think anyone fixed it
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| 09:20 | <ogra> ldm did call -f from day one, someone has changed that
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| 09:20 | <Gadi> you say that everytime we talk about it
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| 09:20 | :)
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| 09:20 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:20 | i want $someone to change it back :P
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| 09:21 | <Gadi> I am happy to change it back right now, as long as I know the "f" wasnt dropped for some other reason
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| 09:21 | * Gadi would be happier if it called an external shell script, personally | |
| 09:22 | <Gadi> like: /usr/share/ldm/poweroff
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| 09:22 | <ogra> why spawn an extra shell ?
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| 09:22 | <Gadi> so, if there is a reason for someone to call a different command, they can just change the shell script
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| 09:22 | * ogra would be happy if we could just use shutdown | |
| 09:22 | <vmlintu> Gadi: let me check that
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| 09:22 | <ogra> but that needs some massive changes in nbd i think
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| 09:22 | <Gadi> instead of recompiling
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| 09:23 | my guess is that some other distro may have had issues with the "-f"
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| 09:23 | <ogra> as a quick fix adding -f would really be helpful
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| 09:23 | <Gadi> and removed it
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| 09:23 | so, I want to be sure we don't trip over each other
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| 09:24 | <ogra> check the bzr changes
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| 09:24 | <vmlintu> I've been thinking of just using:
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| 09:24 | <ogra> i cant imagine it was dropped without comment
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| 09:24 | <vmlintu> echo -n "b" > /proc/sysrq-trigger
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| 09:24 | or
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| 09:24 | echo -n "o" > /proc/sysrq-trigger
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| 09:24 | <ogra> reboot -fp or poweroff -fp do pretty much the same
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| 09:24 | <Gadi> lookf like rev 942
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| 09:25 | <ogra> but you dont need to echo stuff into /proc
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| 09:25 | <Gadi> ldm: Don't force reboot and poweroff (in case we have some init scripts that n
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| 09:25 | eed to be run)
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| 09:25 | that was made by stgraber
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| 09:25 | <ogra> let me guess ... warren ?
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| 09:25 | ah
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| 09:26 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:26 | <Gadi> so, I guess we need to beat up ubuntu!
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| 09:26 | :P
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| 09:26 | !s
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| 09:26 | <squarepeg> Gadi ltspfs 5.13.1 is latest no?
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| 09:26 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:26 | <Gadi> squarepeg: I believe so
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| 09:26 | <squarepeg> and 5.1.90 for tsp-server-standalone..
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| 09:27 | <nicku> Gadi: where should i put that -f to make the reboot work
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| 09:27 | <Gadi> nicku: you would need to grab the ldm source package
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| 09:27 | <squarepeg> Scottie!!! (sp?)
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| 09:27 | <Gadi> then add it to gtkgreet/greeter.c
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| 09:27 | <nicku> not good
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| 09:27 | <Gadi> and rebuild the package
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| 09:28 | first see if it works for vmlintu
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| 09:28 | <ogra> Gadi, go with the script ... that way stephane could still call single initscripts
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| 09:28 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 09:28 | <ogra> (though that shouldnt be needed at all anymore in upstart times)
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| 09:28 | <Gadi> scripts are nice
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| 09:29 | <ogra> actually ltsp-client should properly be switched to an upstart script too
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| 09:29 | <Gadi> how will it work then?
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| 09:29 | <ogra> event driven
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| 09:29 | <Gadi> I know how upstart works
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| 09:29 | I mean how would you poweroff?
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| 09:29 | <ogra> you just call halt
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| 09:29 | upstrat will care for the rest
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| 09:30 | *upstart
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| 09:30 | <Gadi> ah - and the upstart will react to the halt event
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| 09:30 | <ogra> upstart = init
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| 09:30 | <Gadi> right
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| 09:30 | <ogra> it will just try to reach the halt state
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| 09:30 | <Gadi> if the upstart files are properly coded
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| 09:30 | <ogra> (or reboot)
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| 09:31 | the upstart files are conditionally depending on events ... so for example a mounted squashfs can never lose the underlying device
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| 09:31 | <Gadi> well, I wont touch the code at all, until someone tells me that it fixes things
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| 09:31 | <squarepeg> sudo ltsp-build-client....couldnt find dists/karmic/main/binary-powerpc/Packages
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| 09:31 | <ogra> it has to be unmounted first
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| 09:31 | <nicku> Gadi: do you know it there is some "real" fix coming to the reboot issue
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| 09:31 | <Gadi> nicku: it wont come unless somebody tests
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| 09:31 | :)
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| 09:32 | <ogra> squarepeg, i belibe powerpc moved to ports.ubuntu.com at some point, you need to use that as mirror
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| 09:32 | <nicku> i am more than happi to test that but i don't have time to rebuild packages.
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| 09:32 | happy
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| 09:32 | <ogra> nicku, it was working fine until stephane dropped the -f option from the commands
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| 09:33 | <ogra> it will work like before if someone re-adds it
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| 09:33 | <Gadi> takes less time to rebuild the package than to test
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| 09:33 | <vmlintu> reboot -fp fixes the problem when I call it through ssh
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| 09:33 | <Gadi> :)
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| 09:33 | <nicku> gadi, ogra are you familiar with active directory users and localapps
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| 09:33 | <vmlintu> I'll compile ldm next
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| 09:33 | <Gadi> nicku: yes
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| 09:33 | <nicku> i can't use localapps on ad users
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| 09:33 | <Gadi> should work
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| 09:33 | * ogra hasnt touched any MS products in 6-8 years | |
| 09:33 | <Gadi> what version are you on?
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| 09:33 | <nicku> 9.10 ubuntu ltsp5
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| 09:34 | it is a ltsp-cluster
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| 09:34 | <Gadi> should work
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| 09:34 | can you get a shell on screen_02?
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| 09:34 | and switch over
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| 09:35 | <nicku> ??
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| 09:35 | <Gadi> then, you can see if after you log into ldm on the first screen, if /home/$USER is mounted on the client
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| 09:35 | that should be one indicator
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| 09:36 | the only issue that could possibly make AD users not work is the code that generates the local /etc/group
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| 09:36 | because of the spaces in the AD group names
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| 09:36 | but, we resolved that a while ago
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| 09:36 | unless recent changes reverted things
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| 09:37 | <nicku> should ad users be in spesific group to be able to use localapps
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| 09:37 | <Gadi> nope
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| 09:37 | it should just work
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| 09:38 | <nicku> unfortunately i'n not at work and can't do any testing.
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| 09:38 | <Gadi> we specifically tried to make sure of it
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| 09:38 | ok
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| 09:38 | when you can test, pop back in
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| 09:38 | <squarepeg> ogra:thank you
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| 09:38 | <nicku> I just discovered today that i can't run firefox as a localapp with ad user
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| 09:38 | Gadi: yes, I can check that tomorrow.
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| 09:39 | <adrien> Hello! Again I come to beg for some help. I'm trying to set up a USB printer connected to a thin client but I had no luck with all the doc I could find on the net. I cannot see the printer from the server. Also if I log into a thin client as an admin user I can see the printer in browser (localhost:631) but not in the administration GUI, but if I log with the server login and password it doesn't show at all. What can I be doing wrong? (I'm on
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| 09:39 | Ubuntu 9.04) (sorry to bother)
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| 09:40 | <vmlintu> Gadi: changing to reboot -fp in ldm sources fixed the problem
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| 09:41 | <Gadi> cool
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| 09:41 | when stgraber gets here, let's just talk to him about it
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| 09:41 | <nicku> please fix that soon.
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| 09:41 | <Gadi> since he was the last to touch it
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| 09:41 | <vmlintu> gtkgreet/greeter.c was the place
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| 09:41 | <Gadi> vmlintu: are you on karmic?
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| 09:42 | <vmlintu> yes, my test systems are on karmic now
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| 09:42 | <vmlintu> production still in hardy
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| 09:42 | <Gadi> feel free to share your new ldm package with nicku
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| 09:42 | :)
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| 09:42 | while we sort things out
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| 09:43 | <vmlintu> sure, I'll recompile it with different version and put it out
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| 09:43 | <nicku> 64bit thx :)
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| 09:43 | <Gadi> ldm is in the chroot
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| 09:43 | <vmlintu> nicku: are your clients running amd64?
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| 09:43 | <Gadi> do you have a 64-bit chroot?
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| 09:44 | <Gadi> adrien: printers attached to thin clients are presented to the network as JetDirect printers
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| 09:44 | <nicku> vmlintu: No i have a 32bit chroot. 32bit is just fine :)
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| 09:44 | <Gadi> adrien: you need to reserve an IP address for that thin client in dhcpd.conf so it does not change
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| 09:45 | <ogra> or just pick one not in the range
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| 09:45 | <Gadi> adrien: and then set up a new printer on the server as a JetDirect printer with the thin client IP
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| 09:45 | <nosedrum> hi
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| 09:46 | <cliebow> deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ karmic multiverse
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| 09:46 | deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu karmic multiverse
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| 09:46 | <squarepeg> ogra:that seem right?
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| 09:46 | <adrien> thank you Gadi for helping. I've done that already, but when I set up the printer on the server and try to print a test page it says something like "Printer busy, will try again in XX seconds"
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| 09:46 | <squarepeg> or need i add univers
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| 09:46 | <ogra> cliebow, deb-src only if you want to build packages from source
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| 09:46 | <Gadi> adrien: some printermodels cannot be redirected
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| 09:46 | what model is it?
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| 09:47 | <ogra> cliebow, and i suspect you want more than multiverse :)
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| 09:47 | <adrien> Gadi : HP laserjet 1320
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| 09:47 | <squarepeg> ogra:both were enabled..
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| 09:47 | <adrien> Gadi : is there a list somewhere I can check?
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| 09:47 | <nosedrum> Hello all, i am a system manager who deploy about 80 LTSP servers in production
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| 09:47 | it's working well but a problem subsist and make me crazy
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| 09:48 | <cliebow> deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ karmic universe
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| 09:48 | also there
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| 09:48 | <ogra> you should have main and restricted as well
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| 09:48 | <cliebow> okeydokey
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| 09:49 | <nosedrum> some clients (around 10 by days) "freeze" the gnome environement (no mouse, no keyboard) after few minutes of inactivity
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| 09:49 | <Gadi> adrien: HP had a list on their website - I need to find it
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| 09:49 | adrien: they are the "host-based" printers
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| 09:49 | usually cheap printers where the drivers must be on a direct-connected host
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| 09:50 | <nosedrum> i have desactived "gnome-screensaver" "gnome-power-manager" and i have put some attributes in my kernel load in pxelinux.0/defult
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| 09:50 | nothing fix the problem
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| 09:50 | <adrien> Gadi : so if it's a host-based printer it will not work, right?
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| 09:50 | <Gadi> right
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| 09:50 | there arent many
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| 09:50 | but they are certain series
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| 09:51 | <cliebow> ROCKIN!
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| 09:51 | <nosedrum> Anybody have experience why this issue ???
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| 09:51 | <cliebow> crappola
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| 09:51 | <adrien> Gadi : ok I'll have a look at this.
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| 09:51 | <nicku> vmlintu: can you give me a link or something in priv when you get the package
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| 09:51 | <ogra> look at openprinting.org
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| 09:52 | they should have info if the printer is supported by cups
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| 09:52 | <cliebow> must be another repository i am issing
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| 09:52 | /issing/missing
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| 09:52 | <ogra> cliebow, pastebin the complete log
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| 09:52 | <cliebow> k
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| 09:52 | <vmlintu> nicku: I'm trying to figure out where to put it..
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| 09:52 | <Gadi> adrien: http://www.laserquipt.com/support/idx/26/083/article/Host-Based-Drivers.html
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| 09:53 | found that real quick
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| 09:53 | its not a question of CUPS support
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| 09:53 | as jetpipe does not use CUPS
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| 09:53 | it is a question of not being able to be "JetDirected"
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| 09:53 | <vmlintu> nosedrum: what distro are your systems running?
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| 09:53 | <ogra> Gadi, ??
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| 09:54 | Gadi, with jetpipe the printer only needs to create a printer device
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| 09:54 | <cliebow> ogra /var/log/apt?
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| 09:54 | <Gadi> right, and I am telling you that the drivers for "host-based" printers do not work if the printer is not physically connected to the host
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| 09:54 | <ogra> cliebow, no, from your terminal
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| 09:55 | Gadi, yes, but hp has drivers and apps you can install locally
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| 09:55 | <adrien> Gadi : ok, so my printer is not in the list so it should work. Is the printer supposed to show up in the list of printer that are recognized automatically or you have to set up a JetDirect printer manually?
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| 09:55 | <Gadi> usually manually
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| 09:56 | <jammcq> sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:56 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq
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| 09:56 | <Gadi> ogra: sure, if he wants to install printer drivers in the chroot - but that is out of the scope of LTSP's normal printing system
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| 09:56 | <adrien> so that is what I did and it says socket://192.168.1.11:9100 as a URI
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| 09:56 | <ogra> adrien, assumed your jetpipe setup in lts.conf is correct you should be able to manually set up a jetdirect printer
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| 09:57 | <Gadi> adrien: that looks good
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| 09:57 | adrien: and what do youhave in lts.conf?
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| 09:57 | <ltsppbot> "squarepeg" pasted "cliebow@ubuntu:/opt/ltsp$ sudo" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/598
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| 09:57 | <nosedrum> vmlintu: Ubuntu 9.04
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| 09:57 | <ogra> cliebow, you need to use --mirror
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| 09:58 | <adrien> ogra : that was the question I was asking myself. How to be sure I have the correct address in lts.conf (ie /dev/usblp0)
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| 09:58 | <cliebow> k
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| 09:58 | <Gadi> adrien: you can always run; ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 09:58 | and in the xterm, do: ls /dev/usblp0
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| 09:58 | just to make sure it is there
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| 09:58 | <vmlintu> nosedrum: do all the clients freeze or just some?
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| 09:58 | <ogra> and in there run dmesg to see with which device the printer registered
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| 09:59 | or do what gadi said
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| 09:59 | :)
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| 09:59 | <adrien> Gadi : PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usblp0 under a section with the thin client MAC address
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| 09:59 | <vmlintu> nosedrum: in my experience bad nic drivers can cause that
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| 09:59 | <Gadi> yup
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| 09:59 | <ogra> that should suffice
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| 09:59 | <adrien> Gadi : command to run from the thin client?
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| 09:59 | <Appiah> Tried the sabayon PPA
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| 09:59 | still crashes X_x
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| 09:59 | <Gadi> ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 09:59 | brings up an xterm on the thin client itself
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| 10:00 | <vmlintu> nosedrum: r8169 being one of the bad ones
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| 10:00 | <Gadi> in which you can poke around the thin client environment
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| 10:00 | <nosedrum> vmlintu: I have around 250 clients with 2 model of pxe pc (hp / nec )
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| 10:00 | vmlintu: freeze appear on each
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| 10:00 | <cliebow> ROCKIN! so far
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| 10:01 | <vmlintu> nosedrum: which network driver module are they using?
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| 10:01 | <nosedrum> vmlintu: The issue is stricly the same
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| 10:01 | vmlintu: when a client freeze is because the / is 100% full
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| 10:01 | vmlintu: because of /var/log/kern.log spammed by the same log
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| 10:01 | <adrien> ok, I'm trying that. Can the printer be listed as something completely different than /dev/usblX ?
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| 10:02 | <nosedrum> vmlintu: wanna see that log ?
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| 10:02 | vmlintu: about 3 lines spammed
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| 10:02 | <vmlintu> nosedrum: server or client /
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| 10:02 | ?
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| 10:02 | <nosedrum> client
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| 10:02 | <vmlintu> what's in there?
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| 10:03 | <nosedrum> Oct 5 18:02:51 p2_a03 kernel: without lock held, held 0 owner ded23900 ded23900
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| 10:03 | Oct 5 18:02:51 p2_a03 kernel: [ 7801.264797] [drm:r128_cce_reset] *ERROR* r128_cce_reset called without lock held, held 0 owner ded23900 ded23900
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| 10:03 | Oct 5 18:02:51 p2_a03 kernel: [ 7801.264818] [drm:r128_cce_start] *ERROR* r128_cce_start called without lock held, held 0 owner ded23900 ded23900
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| 10:03 | Oct 5 18:02:51 p2_a03 kernel: [ 7801.264839] [drm:r128_cce_idle] *ERROR* r128_cce_idle called without lock held, held 0 owner ded23900 ded23900
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| 10:03 | Oct 5 18:02:51 p2_a03 kernel: [ 7801.264871] [drm:r128_cce_stop] *ERROR* r128_cce_stop called without lock held, held 0 owner ded23900 ded23900
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| 10:03 | Oct 5 18:02:51 p2_a03 kernel: [ 7801.264898] [drm:r128_cce_reset] *ERROR* r128_cce_reset called without lock held, held 0 owner ded23900 ded23900
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| 10:03 | Oct 5 18:02:51 p2_a03 kernel: [ 7801.264920] [drm:r128_cce_start] *ERROR* r128_cce_start called without lock held, held 0 owner ded2 without lock held, held 0 owner ded23900 ded23900
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| 10:03 | <Appiah> pastebin
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| 10:03 | <nosedrum> Theses lines are spammed
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| 10:03 | sorry
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| 10:03 | <Appiah> :)
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| 10:04 | <sbalneav> nosedrum: That looks like a video driver issue.
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| 10:04 | <nosedrum> yeah i have search about
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| 10:04 | <ogra> definately video driver
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| 10:04 | <nosedrum> the NEC client model is equiped with a ATI AGP video card
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| 10:04 | <Gadi> adrien: try: /dev/usb/lp0
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| 10:05 | does that exist?
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| 10:05 | <ogra> shouldnt
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| 10:05 | <adrien> Gadi : yes I tried this to
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| 10:05 | <ogra> not on ubuntu at least
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| 10:05 | <adrien> Gadi : I meant I tried this in lts.conf. I'm waiting for the thin client to reboot to give a tri to a ls
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| 10:06 | <vmlintu> I don't have much experience about ati cards
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| 10:07 | <nosedrum> what video driver can i try ???
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| 10:07 | <nicku> where does ltsp-cluster save the lts.conf
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| 10:07 | <Appiah> when a user has problem logging into their profile and it's ldap , would the error be logged on the thin clients /var/log/auth or the ldap server or the ltsp server?
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| 10:08 | <vmlintu> nicku: I have to go now for today. I'll put the patched ldm available tomorrow and send a link to ltsp-discuss
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| 10:08 | <sbalneav> nosedrum: Well, only other one will be the vesa driver, but that will kill your performace. This isn't an LTSP bug, it's a r128 ATI driver bug. I'd post your logs against a bug for the video driver.
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| 10:09 | <Gadi> Appiah: look in the user's ~/.xsession-errors or in the application server's logs
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| 10:11 | <adrien> Gadi : ls /dev/us* returns only results like /dev/usbdev1.1_ep00 but I'm not sure I'm doing this right. I did the command from the thin client station in a terminal. I don't really understantd how ltsp-localapps xterm works
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| 10:11 | <Appiah> Gadi: ah thx
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| 10:12 | <Gadi> when you run ltsp-localapps xterm, it should open another terminal window
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| 10:12 | that terminal window that it opens, is actually running on the client
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| 10:12 | <ogra> adrien, you log in normally at your client ... open a gnome-terminal and issue the command gadi gave
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| 10:12 | <Gadi> so everything in that terminal is your client environment
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| 10:12 | <adrien> ok
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| 10:13 | <ogra> can you run lsusb in that terminal ?
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| 10:13 | it should show your printer if the usb port knows about it
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| 10:14 | <nosedrum> You told me about r128 ATI drivers but I have the same issue with this type of graphic card:
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| 10:14 | [ 12.622938] Linux agpgart interface v0.103
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| 10:14 | [ 12.635025] shpchp: Standard Hot Plug PCI Controller Driver version: 0.4
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| 10:14 | [ 12.654484] agpgart-intel 0000:00:00.0: Intel 845G Chipset
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| 10:14 | [ 12.658966] agpgart-intel 0000:00:00.0: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0xe0000000
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| 10:14 | [ 12.672860] Intel 82802 RNG detected
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| 10:14 | <Appiah> :D
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| 10:14 | <nosedrum> ...
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| 10:14 | <sbalneav> nosedrum: Don't paste in the channel please
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| 10:14 | <nosedrum> so sorry
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| 10:14 | <sbalneav> Use the pastebot
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| 10:14 | !pastebot
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| 10:14 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 10:15 | <nosedrum> pastebot => put it in my mind (not a irc's addict sorry)
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| 10:15 | <ltsppbot> "nosedrum" pasted "HP client graphic card" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/599
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| 10:15 | <adrien> ok, so /dev/usblp0 is listed and lsusb shows that the printer is connected to bus 002 as device 002
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| 10:16 | <ogra> ps ax
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| 10:16 | ps ax|grep jetpipe
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| 10:16 | try that command (the second one)
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| 10:16 | <scottmaccal> !pastebot
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| 10:16 | <ltspbot> scottmaccal: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 10:16 | <adrien> ogra : ok
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| 10:16 | <scottmaccal> cool
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| 10:16 | <nosedrum> !pastebot
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| 10:16 | <ltspbot> nosedrum: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 10:16 | <squarepeg> crap
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| 10:17 | <sbalneav> nosedrum: ok, so probably a bug with that driver as well
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| 10:18 | <sbalneav> nosedrum: We just use X, so if X hangs, it's usually an issue with X or a driver.
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| 10:18 | <nosedrum> So I have to change the driver on server or in img a update it with ltsp-update-image ?
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| 10:18 | <adrien> ogra : the command returns "5483 pts/1 S+ 0:00 grep jetpipe"
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| 10:18 | <ltsppbot> "squarepeg" pasted "I: Base system installed succe" (83 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/600
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| 10:18 | <ogra> adrien, then jetpipe doesnt run
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| 10:18 | <sbalneav> You'd update the chroot, and use ltsp-update-image to ipdate it yes.
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| 10:18 | <nosedrum> ok
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| 10:19 | <ogra> adrien, only that line ?
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| 10:19 | <adrien> ogra: well that's good news somehow. Yes, only this line
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| 10:19 | <Gadi> adrien: try: getltscfg -a|grep PRINTER
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| 10:19 | <nosedrum> but i don"t understand why I don"t have a xorg.conf file
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| 10:19 | <squarepeg> scottmaccal, how are you makinf out?
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| 10:20 | <sbalneav> nosedrum: because X doesn't need one anymore.
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| 10:20 | * scottmaccal 'wishes he could get a break from his real life so he could contribute more to FOSS projects' | |
| 10:20 | <nosedrum> So how can i change the video driver to use ??
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| 10:20 | <squarepeg> ogra:still there is a repo issue....
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| 10:21 | <ogra> nosedrum, lts.conf
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| 10:21 | !docs
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| 10:21 | <ltspbot> ogra: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 10:21 | <nosedrum> I'll gonna test
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| 10:21 | <ogra> squarepeg, whats the command you run now ?
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| 10:21 | <nosedrum> I feedback the result here
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| 10:22 | <adrien> Gadi : result is PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE=U and two lines "export" followed by the same option names
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| 10:23 | * scottmaccal 'successfully saw to the elimination of 4 windows boxes at work. now happily running Ubuntu' | |
| 10:23 | <cliebow> sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror http://ports.ubuntu.com
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| 10:25 | <scottmaccal> That is the best I can contribute at the moment, but it is progress. :-)
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| 10:26 | <scottmaccal> cliebow: how have you made out with the Mac LTSP?
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| 10:26 | <nosedrum> ok so if I put in my lts.conf => CONFIGURE_X = True and X_CONF /etc/X11/toto.conf => my clients read my toto.conf to configure X ? right ?
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| 10:27 | <cliebow> ogra is helping me with a repo issue..but the machine rocks
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| 10:27 | <ogra> sorry, very busy testing arm images ...
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| 10:27 | <scottmaccal> cliebow: so you got one to boot?
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| 10:27 | <ogra> sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports
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| 10:27 | try that one
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| 10:27 | <sbalneav> nosedrum: Yes, and the tot.conf file will need to be in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/toto.conf
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| 10:27 | <cliebow> ogra..great..i will leave you for the time being...
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| 10:28 | <nosedrum> ok i have nudetstand
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| 10:28 | <nosedrum> understand
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| 10:28 | <ogra> cliebow, ask away, just dont expect quick answers :)
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| 10:28 | <nosedrum> and i need to update image before
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| 10:28 | ok ok
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| 10:28 | <cliebow> you rock man!!
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| 10:28 | <scottmaccal> clibow: iMac?
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| 10:29 | <cliebow> this is a g4..all i have to work with atm..still trying to get ltsp-build-client to run all the way thru
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| 10:30 | <scottmaccal> cliebow: Ubuntu PPC on the server?
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| 10:30 | <adrien> Gadi or ogra : so how can I make sure jetpipe is working?
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| 10:32 | <cliebow> scottmaccal, karmic installed flawlessly on g4..havnt got an nbd image yet so noterminals yet
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| 10:34 | ROCKIN! so faR
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| 10:34 | <scottmaccal> What is the status with Ubuntu and PPC. I thought that port was dropped. It still apparently but I am a little confused.
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| 10:34 | It still lives?
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| 10:34 | <ogra> its "community supported" :)
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| 10:35 | <scottmaccal> ahh, awesome.
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| 10:35 | <cliebow> there is a karmic powerpc cd image which worked flawlessly for me
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| 10:35 | <ogra> so there are two/three people caring for the worst breakage
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| 10:35 | but you will often find a lot additional breakage
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| 10:35 | <cliebow> it is tremmendous progress since intrepid
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| 10:35 | <ogra> which doesnt occur in the supported ubuntu arches
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| 10:36 | <scottmaccal> ogra: I see. Thank you for sharing this info.
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| 10:37 | <squarepeg> scottmaccal, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily/current/
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| 10:37 | <scottmaccal> wow!
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| 10:37 | you read my mind
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| 10:37 | that was freaky
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| 10:37 | <cliebow> heehee
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| 10:37 | <scottmaccal> he I was just about to type that
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| 10:37 | <nosedrum> Somebody have a classic and simple xorg.conf file with vesa driver used ???
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| 10:37 | <ogra> there is also an installable live image .... but i doubt many people tested that
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| 10:38 | <scottmaccal> OK. I'm going to get a table in here and get to work then.
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| 10:38 | <cliebow> real work? or fun work?
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| 10:38 | <scottmaccal> :-)
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| 10:39 | <cliebow> jot down ogra's last
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| 10:39 | <scottmaccal> fun work because it is real work
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| 10:39 | we have a lot of iMacs no longer in use and I am trying to get LTSP going here
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| 10:40 | <squarepeg> crappola..the thing just ran out of juice midstream..i have to go do some real work now
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| 10:42 | <squarepeg> scottmaccal, i dont know as i have ever gotten an imac to netboot..so it might be a little work to do so..
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| 10:46 | <scottmaccal> thank for the warning
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| 10:47 | \me 'was justed asked by one of the people now running Ubuntu if it is Windows 7'
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| 10:48 | * scottmaccal 'told them it was even better :-)' | |
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| 13:03 | <Ahmuck> k, sooo. i have a machine with 2G ram, and 2G proc, lot faster than my 800mhz-1G machines with 512Mb ram, and there is a noticable difference. I don't think I could recommend anybody try ltsp on anything less. I've been working for an hour and have forgotten I was working on a thin terminal
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| 13:05 | <Wollie> Hi all!
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| 13:05 | I got some problems with ltsp that I can't get solved.
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| 13:06 | I'm working in a small company. They have 1 server and 3 thin clients. The server is based on Ubuntu.
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| 13:06 | The guys who set this thing up are gone and not able to help me anymore, so I need to figure out what to do
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| 13:07 | <Appiah> whats the problem then? :)
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| 13:07 | <Wollie> the problem is that all thin clients regularly lock up. The only way of getting them to work is to reboot the thin client
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| 13:07 | I've tried to kill all processes of a user with problems, but without success
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| 13:08 | the load of the server is not high, there is sufficient memory, and it only happens at irregular intervals
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| 13:08 | <sbalneav> How much ram is in the thin clients? And what kind of thin clients are they?
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| 13:08 | <Wollie> not with certain programs or actions. It just happened when one of our employees was using firefox. Earlier today it happened with another employee who was using Writer (openoffice)
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| 13:10 | the thin clients are HP Compaq t5000's with 128MB of memory
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| 13:12 | <sbalneav> In Firefox and OpenOffice.org, are they doing stuff with images?
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| 13:12 | 128 megs is good for a lot of thing, but if there's heavy image manipulation, they may be running out of ram.
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| 13:12 | if so, then enabling NBD swap may be the answer.
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| 13:13 | <Wollie> is there any way I can check on those thin clients how much ram they have available? I never configured (or connected) to anyone of them.
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| 13:14 | I'll look into NBD swap. Everything that helps will be great, because they are ready to throw the things out of the window ;)
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| 13:16 | * Gadi thinks that throwing them out the window should certainly make them crash | |
| 13:16 | <sbalneav> Well, the simplest would be to enable a shell with SCREEN_02 = shell, and then check the ram with free
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| 13:20 | <sbalneav> Hmm, we've cleaned up some of the docs, I should cut a new pdf for the site.
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| 13:21 | Gadi: BTW, lts-parameters.txt is now dead. We've all agreed to update the lts.conf.xml file in the ltsp-docs-trunk package.
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| 13:22 | You should be able to commit to that branch, as committers includes the ltsp-upstream group.
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| 13:22 | <Gadi> is that a hint ;)
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| 13:25 | <johnny> there should be a !command for that then
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| 13:26 | <sbalneav> Gadi: I suggested that anyone failing to update lts.conf.xml would be flogged with a wet noodle.
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| 13:26 | vagrantc wondered if something harder would be more appropriate.
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| 13:26 | <brendan0powers> sbalneav: hey, did you get my mailing list invite?
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| 13:26 | <sbalneav> So, it seems it's not *ME* you have to worry about :)
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| 13:26 | brendan0powers: No!
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| 13:26 | <brendan0powers> oh
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| 13:27 | <sbalneav> Where where where where
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| 13:27 | gimme gimme gimme gimme
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| 13:27 | <brendan0powers> just s sec
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| 13:27 | *a sec
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| 13:27 | <sbalneav> :)
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| 13:28 | <brendan0powers> the project name is currently OpenAS(Open Authentication Sever)
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| 13:28 | but I don't really like it
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| 13:28 | openass....
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| 13:29 | <CAN-o-SPAM> wheres this project?
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| 13:29 | <brendan0powers> the mailing list is at http://groups.google.com/group/openas
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| 13:29 | <sbalneav> Well, at least you didn't call it Open Samba LDAP Uniform Triaging System.
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| 13:29 | <brendan0powers> there's no wiki yet
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| 13:30 | warren wanted to call it Authenazilla:)
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| 13:30 | *Authentazilla
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| 13:30 | <CAN-o-SPAM> whats the two sentence benefit to using what this project should be?
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| 13:31 | sbalneav, saw your video. Going to need you to stop by and snap your fingers for me sometime too
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| 13:31 | <brendan0powers> its going to be an authentication server that supports window, linux, mac
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| 13:31 | <sbalneav> CAN-o-SPAM: "Finally standardizing ldap so that all linux systems can have a standard ldap schema they can implement for authentication"
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| 13:31 | <brendan0powers> and have decent admin UI
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| 13:31 | <sbalneav> yeah
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| 13:31 | what brendan said.
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| 13:31 | <CAN-o-SPAM> i figured admin UI had something to do w/ it ;)
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| 13:32 | call it UberAuth
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| 13:33 | <brendan0powers> we wanted openauth
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| 13:33 | <sbalneav> brendan0powers: ok, joineded
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| 13:33 | <brendan0powers> but AOL is using it:)
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| 13:33 | awesome
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| 13:33 | I need to get the wiki up
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| 13:33 | and put my ideas on it
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| 13:33 | then we can try to get some other pople on the list, and start the discussion
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| 13:33 | <scottmaccal> how about pre-samba4 ;)
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| 13:34 | <brendan0powers> no
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| 13:34 | its not just samba4
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| 13:34 | although thats probably the trickiest part
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| 13:36 | <brendan0powers> sbalneav: so, I had an idea for making it real simple to configure linux clients to the server
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| 13:37 | we have a small binary, that each distro patches to configure pam,ndss, etc
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| 13:37 | you run it, give it the IP of the authntication server, or it finds it with zeroconf
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| 13:37 | and then all the important info is looked up and configured(ldap server, base DN, kerberos info, etc..)
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| 13:42 | <sbalneav> Well, it sounds good. I'm not sure, packaging policy wise for debian/redhat, etc. if you're allowed to have a program that touches config files other than it's own, but we can burn that bridge when we come to it :)
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| 13:43 | <vagrantc> you're definitely not allowed to edit configuration files of other packages for debian, but you can use any sort of plugin infrastructure, such as /etc/foo.d directories
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| 13:44 | <vagrantc> or use update-foo to configure it.
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| 13:44 | if it provides that interface
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| 13:47 | <scottmaccal> I vote for be4 as the name for the project as a pun on Star Trek and because it is before samba4
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| 13:48 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: right.
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| 13:49 | I think one of the problems with libpam_ldap is that it DOESN'T provide an "update-ldap.cfg" or equivalent program.
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| 13:50 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: so, it might be handy (and necessary) to add one to pam-ldap, in order for something like this to work. How would you recommend something like this get implemented?
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| 13:51 | I'm willing to take a look at it, as, if OpenAS doesn't pan out (for whatever reason), I'll need to solve this for Edubuntu one way or the other.
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| 13:51 | <johnny> this is something that canonical should be solving isn't it??/
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| 13:52 | you could of course.. just repackage fedora directory services .. :)
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| 13:52 | lol
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| 13:56 | <sbalneav> johnny: as far as I've seen when I've looked at it, Fedora Directory Services is so tightly coupled to how fedora "does things" that it's no small task to do, and may not even be possible. That was my impression when I looked at it.
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| 13:56 | johnny: and no, it's not "something that canonical" should be solving.
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| 13:56 | <johnny> really? you think their clients would be begging for something
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| 13:57 | in what way is is tightly coupled to fedora..
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| 13:57 | not that i really care even
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| 13:57 | ignore the question
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| 13:57 | i just want your life to be easier :)
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| 13:57 | <sbalneav> it's a problem with the debian package. Debian has a package (libpam-ldap) which requires changes to files in /etc to use effectively, and they don't provide the required helper app.
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| 13:58 | <johnny> ah
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| 13:58 | hopefully pam ldap peeps can help?
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| 13:58 | <sbalneav> No, since the "no touching /etc files" thing is a debian packaging rule.
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| 14:10 | <brendan0powers> sbalneav: so no package can touch any other packages config files?
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| 14:10 | even if it doesn't do it in the package scripts?
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| 14:11 | <sbalneav> brendan0powers: Well, they CAN, *IF* there's a tool to allow them to do it in a "normalized" way.
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| 14:11 | i.e. an "update-ldap.conf" script
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| 14:11 | <brendan0powers> so, for example, we had a binary that the user would run after the package was installed
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| 14:11 | hmm
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| 14:12 | <sbalneav> so what we need to do is write a "update-ldap.conf" script, and get that included into pam-ldap (not that hard).
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| 14:12 | then YOUR binary calls "update-ldap.conf" to make the mods.
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| 14:13 | but your binary touching the files directory is a no-no
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| 14:13 | At least, that's my understanding.
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| 14:13 | <brendan0powers> hmm
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| 14:13 | that seems really limiting
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| 14:13 | It kinda makes sense though
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| 14:14 | <sbalneav> No, not really. It just means we need to have one additional step: write the "update" script. :)
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| 14:14 | <brendan0powers> yea
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| 14:14 | although ldap.conf has a lot of options
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| 14:14 | although writing the script wouldn't be that hard
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| 14:14 | <sbalneav> The idea's supposed to be, installing a package should never bugger about with conf files without notifying the user.
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| 14:15 | I think it can be as simple as:
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| 14:15 | script is provided with an "ldap.conf" file
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| 14:15 | script backs up the original ldap.conf file
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| 14:15 | script replaces file with new conf file.
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| 14:16 | So it may not be a super hard thing to do :)
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| 14:16 | but I'd want to talk to vagrant to be sure, and he just died. :)
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| 14:16 | so when he pops his head back in... we'll nail him :)
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| 14:18 | <brendan0powers> sbalneav: yea, sounds awfully hard
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| 14:18 | not sure if its worth it:)
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| 14:20 | <sbalneav> I know!
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| 14:20 | I'll be months writing it!
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| 14:21 | The HARD part will be getting the debian maintainer of pam-ldap to accept it. But we have vagrantc and his dulcet tones to help smooth things over, so I'm not too worried.
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| 14:21 | Besides, it would help OTHER projects, like skolelinux, debian-edu, etc. So, I'm sure it won't be a problem.
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| 14:42 | <squarepeg> anyone have pics posted of bts?
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| 14:43 | <sbalneav> Not yet. I think I have a picasa account somewhere. I'll look at some posts tonight.
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| 14:44 | <squarepeg> cool!..my typing has been awesome today huh..
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| 14:45 | <sbalneav> Yeah, the new nick's really suiting you!
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| 14:45 | You gonna keep this? Or is this a temporary fling?
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| 14:47 | <Egyptian[Home]> sbalneav: sounds like you are rewriting rpm
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| 14:48 | <squarepeg> ohh just screwing around with karmic..felt like a time for upwardly mobile
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| 14:48 | <sbalneav> squarepeg: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=44.438392,-68.362985&spn=0.002827,0.004823&t=h&z=18
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| 14:48 | That's your new place, right?
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| 14:49 | Egyptian[Home]: No. I'm talking about apt, not rpm
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| 14:49 | I don't know what's RPM's packaging policy regarding wether one package can touch another packages files.
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| 14:50 | <Egyptian[Home]> when u upgrade an rpm and it finds an existing conf file .. the new file from the rpm is called conf.rpmnew
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| 14:50 | <squarepeg> smiths brook road doesnt seem right..ill look
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| 14:50 | <Egyptian[Home]> similarly when u erase the conf file and its different from the rpm's version its left behind as conf.rpmsave
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| 14:51 | <squarepeg> it is right though
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| 14:52 | ogra is prob asleep huh..
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| 14:53 | <sbalneav> Egyptian[Home]: debian policy requires that no package touch another packages files UNLESS the other package provides a helper app to allow that to happen in a controlled manner.
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| 14:54 | libpam-ldap just doesn't have the helper app. We just need to write it.
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| 14:54 | <Egyptian[Home]> sbalneav: ok .. i dont know debian nor apt .. so i will just
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| 15:20 | <tstafford> The next-server setting in dhcpd.conf points to the host running tftp and the SERVER setting lts.conf point to the application server... is that correct?
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| 15:23 | <squarepeg> c y'all
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| 15:24 | <squarepeg> sbalneav:http://artiomix.googlepages.com/ubuntu.png
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| 15:24 | <alkisg> tstafford: yup
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| 15:25 | <squarepeg> cute baby anyway
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| 15:25 | <tstafford> thanks
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| 15:25 | <squarepeg> later...
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| 15:27 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 15:29 | <chrisinajar> i have the PC version
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| 15:29 | oops...
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| 15:29 | up enter FAIL
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| 15:29 | * chrisinajar switches konsole tabs to where I'm testing a binary :P | |
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| 15:36 | <sbalneav> brendan0powers: OK, had a talk with pere in #debian-edu.
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| 15:36 | turns out the libpam-ldap package accepts pre-seeding of values, i.e., you can give it your own ldap.conf file.
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| 15:36 | So that may be a winner.
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| 15:38 | As well, there's a libpam-ldapd package, which is newer, and may have more goodies/preseeding/what have you.
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| 15:39 | I'll look into that tonight.
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| 15:50 | <brendan0powers> k
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| 15:50 | sbalneav: sounds good, Its not really an immediate concern, as we have to get the whole server part working first....
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| 16:47 | <nubae> Gadi, nt sure whats with da sbsbs, ill get down on dat tomorrow
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| 21:00 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 21:01 | <dro> good evening
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