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Channel log from 17 October 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:39 | <yopla> Hello, I'd like to modifiy ltsp 4.1 ppc initrd file. I can't find a way to mount it. gzip -dc says "premature end of file"....
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| 03:54 | <ari_stress> afternoon
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| 04:07 | <micha__> hello. is it possibel to supsend and resume a session with LTSP5?
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| 04:24 | <ogra> micha__, nope
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| 04:25 | (one could implement something like hibernate to swapfile though)
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| 04:29 | <apollo13> hi, what's the easiest way to connect from a running windows (xp) to a ltsp server (I would like to plac a icon on the users desktop, which he can click, and then a window with the new session would pop up like rdesktop).
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| 04:31 | <ari_stress> you just answered your own question
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| 04:33 | <apollo13> lol? can mstsc connect to an ltsp server?
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| 04:34 | <ari_stress> you can use tightvnc, realvnc
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| 04:34 | <apollo13> then I would need an vncserver, I just need a windows tool, which can execute a xdmcp chooser...
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| 04:35 | something like mstsc for ltsp...
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| 04:36 | <ari_stress> setting up a vncserver is very simple
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| 04:36 | <rcy> you dont need a chooser on the windows side if you are using vnc
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| 04:37 | but that is the other option, to install an xserver in windows
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| 04:37 | <apollo13> If I set up a vncserver then all the user would see the same screen and not their environment?
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| 04:37 | <ari_stress> apollo13: no, they will have their own env. we can set it in the vncserver
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| 04:38 | <apollo13> ari_stress: hmm, can you provide a link with an example?
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| 04:39 | <ari_stress> wait a sec
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| 04:39 | <apollo13> thx
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| 04:39 | <ari_stress> what distro do you use?
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| 04:39 | <apollo13> debian
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| 04:40 | <ari_stress> ok
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| 04:40 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=122402
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| 04:42 | <apollo13> thx, btw if I don't use vnc, xming would be a good choice, or?
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| 04:43 | <ari_stress> i don't know xming
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| 04:44 | <apollo13> okay thx
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| 08:09 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:39 | <highvoltage> morning sbalneav
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| 08:39 | sbalneav: what is the version of LTSP in gutsy? 5.1?
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| 08:39 | <ogra> 5.0.39
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| 08:53 | <bails> greetings from the UK, a small question
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| 08:54 | <bails> I have installed ltsp5 on debian unstable, everything is working fine with local devs, pulseaudio except my lts.conf settings do not seem to be parsed, is it still /opr/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf or has it been moved somewhere else?
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| 08:55 | ^ /opt
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| 08:55 | <ogra> in debian its stll there
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| 08:55 | <sbalneav> bails: Are you setting values by hostname, ip address, or mac address?
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| 08:56 | <bails> hmm i have set X to 640x480 and 8 bit colour depth but X still shows 1024x768 @ 16bit
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| 08:56 | sbalneav, I have a [Default] and [mac] sections
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| 08:58 | <sbalneav> bails: Can you paste your lts.conf to the pastebot?
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| 08:58 | !pastebot
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| 08:58 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 08:59 | <bails> !pastebot [Default]
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| 08:59 | SERVER = 192.168.0.1
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| 08:59 | XSERVER = i810
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| 08:59 | X_MODE_0 = 640x480
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| 08:59 | X_COLOR_DEPTH = 8
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| 08:59 | <ltspbot> bails: Error: "pastebot" is not a valid command.
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| 08:59 | <bails> LOCALDEV = True
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| 08:59 | SOUND = True
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| 08:59 | SOUND_DAEMON = pulse
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| 09:00 | NBD_SWAP = True
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| 09:00 | <sbalneav> no not here
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| 09:00 | <bails> SYSLOG_HOST = server
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| 09:00 | XKBLAYOUT = gb
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| 09:00 | X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2"
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| 09:00 | X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux"
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| 09:00 | <sbalneav> stop
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| 09:00 | <bails> X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400
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| 09:00 | X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 5
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| 09:00 | X_ZAxisMapping = "4 5"
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| 09:00 | [00:02:a5:56:2b:0d]
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| 09:00 | XSERVER = i810
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| 09:00 | X_MODE_0 = 640x480
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| 09:00 | X_COLOR_DEPTH = 8
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| 09:00 | LOCALDEV = True
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| 09:00 | <ogra> ARGH
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| 09:00 | <bails> SOUND = True
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| 09:00 | SOUND_DAEMON = pulse
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| 09:00 | NBD_SWAP = True
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| 09:00 | <ogra> !pastebot
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| 09:00 | <bails> SYSLOG_HOST = server
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| 09:00 | <ltspbot> ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 09:00 | <bails> XKBLAYOUT = gb
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| 09:00 | #SCREEN_07 = startx
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| 09:00 | oops
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| 09:00 | I was actually trying to follow your instructions
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| 09:00 | so its not !pastebot then ?
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| 09:00 | <sbalneav> Read what the text says
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| 09:01 | <bails> ah ok so sorry
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| 09:01 | <ltsppbot> "bails" pasted "lts.conf" (29 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/333
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| 09:03 | <ogra> LOCALDEV, SOUND_DAEMON and SOUND are just the deaults ... you can drop them
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| 09:03 | <bails> k
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| 09:03 | <ogra> SYSLOG_HOST is useless (default to the bootserver)
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| 09:03 | <bails> K done
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| 09:04 | <ogra> thats only duplicating the defaults though and wont do any harm
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| 09:04 | (apart from making it less readable)
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| 09:05 | i can actually not see anything thats wrong ...
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| 09:05 | is your SERVER different from the bootserver ?
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| 09:05 | <bails> nope its 192.168.0.1
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| 09:05 | <ogra> else drop that as well, (not needed, defaults to bootserver)
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| 09:06 | <bails> K
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| 09:06 | <ogra> did you try to use the intel driver instead of the i810 one ?
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| 09:07 | <bails> is there a page/wiki entry for ALL of the available stanzas for lts.conf in ltsp5 ?
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| 09:07 | which driver might taht be?
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| 09:08 | <ogra> intel
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| 09:08 | just replace i810 in your file
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| 09:08 | <bails> K i'kll give it a go
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| 09:09 | <ogra> i810 usually needs 915resolution installed to change resoutions
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| 09:09 | its unlikely debian installs that in the thin client root
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| 09:09 | (we dont in ubuntu, and i'm not aware vagrant changed it when he imported the code)
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| 09:09 | the intel driver should switch resolutions just fine
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| 09:11 | <bails> still no luck
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| 09:12 | <ogra> any error messages during boot ?
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| 09:18 | <bails> none atall and it still doesnt go 640x480
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| 09:19 | but if i leave "XSERVER_0 = " i iget parse error online 4
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| 09:19 | <bails> so it is at least parsing lts.conf
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| 09:20 | <ogra> it works in ubuntu, so i'm not sure whats wrong there
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| 09:20 | <bails> read X_MODE_0 ^
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| 09:21 | hmm hey-ho i'll carry on trying things out
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| 09:22 | <ogra> can you set size with vesa as Xserver ?
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| 09:25 | <bails> haha well in the console X DRIVER still appears as "intel"
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| 09:26 | so i guess no is the answer
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| 09:26 | is there anyway of dumping the XConfig to a file?
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| 09:27 | <bails> and i assume it is /etc/X11/xorg.conf on the client?
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| 09:34 | it is ^ if i log in then ctl+alt+F2 change driver to "vesa" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf then log out it picks it up
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| 09:34 | but not on boot
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| 09:35 | <ogra> the modes in that file end at 640x480 ?
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| 09:36 | <bails> they do
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| 09:37 | <ogra> and neither with intel nor i810 it works even if you manually put them in the Driver section there ?
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| 09:37 | <bails> is the XF86CONFIG_FILE still honoured?
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| 09:37 | <ogra> its X_CONF now by default, but that old variable will still work, yes
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| 09:37 | <bails> OK I'll try to do it like that then
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| 09:38 | <ogra> you said unstable ....
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| 09:38 | which version of ltsp-server ?
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| 09:38 | i think it was added in ubuntu arund 5.0.30 or so
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| 09:38 | <bails> the one from: deb http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian etch-ltsp-backports main
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| 09:38 | <ogra> thats not unstable
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| 09:39 | that are backports ... the packages in unstable are likely quite different
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| 09:39 | <bails> ah sorry the server is sid/lenny
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| 09:39 | <ogra> then you should use sids or lennys packages
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| 09:39 | not the backports for etch
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| 09:40 | <bails> well i hate to say it but i couldnt find them
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| 09:41 | although looking at http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian i can now
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| 09:42 | <ogra> hmm, i would have expected them in the sid repo
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| 09:42 | but i dont know when and what debian pulls from ubuntu so it might be not in sid ...
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| 09:46 | <bails> also X_CONF = doesnt appear to work :(
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| 09:46 | <ogra> well, the edgy packages are pretty old (even the backported ones)
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| 09:46 | use XF86CONFIG
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| 09:47 | err
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| 09:47 | XF86CONFIG_FILE
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| 09:47 | <bails> ok CF*^CONFIG_FILE semms to work properly thanks
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| 09:48 | <ogra> err
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| 09:48 | s/edgy/etch/ :)
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| 09:48 | to closely named
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| 09:48 | <bails> ^ XF86CONFIG_FILE
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| 09:49 | next problem i need to add a local script
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| 09:49 | <ogra> to run on boot ?
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| 09:49 | <bails> can i still do a RC_FILE =
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| 09:49 | <ogra> use rc.local or the RC_FILE variable in lts.conf
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| 09:49 | <bails> yeh on boot to alsactl restore
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| 09:50 | <ogra> aww, doesnt debian set that to 80% by default as ubuntu does ?
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| 09:50 | <bails> sure does but it mutes my headphones, this is for a voip suite
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| 09:51 | <ogra> (note that with the alsa sound all gstreamer controls should just work)
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| 09:51 | even though ...
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| 09:51 | i'm not sure the debian packages use the alsa emulation
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| 09:52 | (but oyu had pulse in the lts.conf so it should)
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| 11:39 | <gonzaloaf_work> hi, I'm using ltsp 4.2 and I boot all my clients using PXE and turn on them using WOL, the problem is that I have bought new PCs with a different mainboard, and now they dont turn on when I send the magic packet, I have read that is a kernel issue, what kernel do I have to modify in order to solve that? the ltsp kernel?
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| 12:17 | <Guaraldo> !s
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| 12:17 | <ltspbot> Guaraldo: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 12:22 | <Guaraldo> !pastebot
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| 12:22 | <ltspbot> Guaraldo: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 13:03 | <lns> are there any Ubuntu specific docs out there to move to PulseAudio? All I can find is that Novell documentation.
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| 13:03 | (in ltsp)
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| 13:04 | <ogra> lns, no, there arent
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| 13:04 | feel free to ask though :)
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| 13:04 | <lns> ogra, feel free to ask?
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| 13:05 | <ogra> about the implementation
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| 13:05 | <lns> ok...well i dunno how well i'll do since i'm not on-site, but i've had a pretty big issue with feisty/ltsp5 and moving to pulseaudio using this (seemingly pretty good) doc: http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Feisty/HOWTO:_PulseAudio
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| 13:06 | my server is running feisty/amd64 and i have i386 clients
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| 13:06 | <ogra> pulse is the default in feisty
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| 13:06 | <lns> at one site, it's worked fine - except, of course, for flash sound
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| 13:06 | ogra, hmm.
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| 13:06 | <ogra> there is absolutely nothing you need to do
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| 13:06 | its even enabled by default :)
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| 13:06 | <lns> even if you upgraded from dapper?
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| 13:07 | <ogra> if you follow the suggestion to rebuild the clint env, yes
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| 13:07 | *client
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| 13:07 | <lns> i'm sure i've done that since upgrading to feisty... hmm!
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| 13:08 | <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes
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| 13:08 | hmm, we should make that general ... not edubuntu specific
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| 13:08 | <lns> well ok, i guess i just (still) can't get flash sound to work then. I've tried a bunch of things, including the revolutionlinux package, but it still seems to be not passing through to the clients.
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| 13:09 | ogra, that would be nice...after a while of installing/supporting ltsp, its still hard to find central documentation =)
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| 13:09 | <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ#head-9eab8b3fa984d1b72c777b67a5bb557646e5946b
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| 13:09 | lns, since gutsy your best bet is to install the edubuntu-docs package. that brings excellent ltsp docs :)
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| 13:10 | its not in feisty though (we're working on getting a recent html versin up before the gutsy release though)
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| 13:10 | <lns> ogra, awesome =) I look forward to tomorrow! ;)
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| 13:11 | <ogra> check the link above for flash sound
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| 13:11 | <lns> ogra, will the libflashsupport_1.0~2219-1_i386.deb work on amd64 with i386 libraries on it?
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| 13:11 | <ogra> flash has a bug that makes networked sound break
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| 13:11 | no
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| 13:11 | <lns> see that's my hangup
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| 13:11 | <ogra> but there is a source package for it as well i think
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| 13:12 | <lns> i remember trying to compile it and it gave some cryptic error...let me try and recreate it
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| 13:12 | thank you for the insight btw.. =) I'm sure you guys are flooded for tomorrow!
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| 13:12 | <ogra> slightly ...
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| 13:13 | <lns> you know i think it'd be cool for canonical to hire support ppl to man chans like this ;)
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| 13:13 | <ogra> the last two weeks were hard ... the later it gets the better it gets :)
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| 13:13 | <lns> oh cool
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| 13:13 | what's up vagrantc
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| 13:13 | <vagrantc> hi
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| 13:13 | <ogra> hey vagrantc
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| 13:16 | <paul0> hi there
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| 13:16 | i'm setting up my first ltsp system
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| 13:17 | <paul0> i was trying out some things, and i've noticed that isn't possible to run videos, that's normal?
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| 13:18 | <lns> paul0, what videos?
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| 13:18 | and what app?
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| 13:18 | <paul0> totem
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| 13:18 | i've tried to run an divx video
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| 13:19 | i tried with vlc too, but didn't work
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| 13:19 | <lns> paul0, did you install the right codecs?
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| 13:20 | <paul0> yup
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| 13:20 | i could see the video in the ltsp server
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| 13:20 | but i couldn't see in the client
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| 13:22 | lns, is it possible to see videos in ltsp clients?
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| 13:22 | <lns> ogra, i can't really decypher all this stuff..sorry about the chars too, this is what i try to do when "make"ing the libflashsupport code: http://pastebin.ca/740083
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| 13:23 | paul0, weird...
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| 13:23 | that's beyond my "expertise" (which is none at all) ;)
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| 13:23 | if it works on the server but not the client at all...it should be pulling from the same stuff i would think (minus sound maybe)
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| 13:24 | <paul0> sound works fine
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| 13:24 | i was listening to di.fm radio in one ltsp client, very nice
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| 13:25 | even without video, ltsp is awsome =)
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| 13:25 | i mean, without playing divx videos
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| 13:43 | <lns> ogra (or anyone who's gone through this already), is there anything you can suggest to get libflashsupport source to compile correctly on AMD64? I guess I'm missing some header files, but I'm not sure what to do. http://pastebin.ca/740083
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| 13:44 | if I can get this going, I have 3 computer labs that would thank me over and over again...
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| 13:51 | <lns> i'm beginning to think that i'm just dumb and need to install some dev packages... :)
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| 14:04 | argh
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| 14:43 | <lns> ok, now that I've installed linux-headers, build-essential, libssl-dev, libpulse-dev and libesd0-dev, I get the following errors when trying to compile libflashsupport.c (amd64 arch):
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| 14:43 | flashsupport.c:502: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size
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| 14:43 | and again on line 514 and 544
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| 14:44 | any ideas?
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| 14:48 | <Guaraldo> lns: warnings normaly are just warnings... not errors...
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| 14:48 | <lns> Guaraldo, right - but in the makefile it treats warnings as errors
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| 14:48 | and it craps out...
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| 14:49 | i'm not entirely comfortable changing that, unless i get confirmation from someone who knows this specific error (and its context) is a moot point
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| 15:16 | <lns> Does anyone have any suggestions on how to keep track of customizations/modifications to the LTSP chroot if they need to re-build it?
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> package them ?
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| 15:20 | <lns> vagrantc, i don't follow
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| 15:23 | <vagrantc> lns: make a package, and install it in your LTSP chroot ?
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| 15:24 | <lns> vagrantc, hmm..interesting idea!
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| 16:12 | <warren> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=336721 XDMCP segfaults gdmgreeter (libkeymouselistener)
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| 16:13 | Apparently this has been an issue in upstream GNOME for a while now. Did any of the other distros find a solution?
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| 16:17 | <joebaker> warren: I know that there can be problems with GDM when you turn on "Accessibility" modes (In the 7.04 version of Ubuntu iirc.
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| 16:18 | <warren> joebaker, this is a different bug from that
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| 17:22 | <Elive_user> I'm new tothe irc but longtime ltsp user with a problem. Anyone here?
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| 17:24 | I have a fresh 4.2 install which only allows the first client to logon.
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| 17:26 | exit
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| 17:36 | <jammcq> hey all
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| 17:40 | <libmandan> I have a fresh 4.2 install with this problem. Only one client can run firefox at a time. Any help?
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| 17:40 | <jammcq> are you using unique user ids ?
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| 17:40 | <libmandan> Yes. they are net1, net2, etc
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| 17:40 | <jammcq> with unique home dirs ?
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| 17:41 | <libmandan> Yes.
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| 17:41 | <jammcq> what happens when the 2nd user tries to run ff ?
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| 17:41 | <libmandan> Nothing. The screen remains blank.
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| 17:41 | <jammcq> odd
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| 17:42 | how much ram in the server?
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| 17:42 | <libmandan> 2Gigs
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| 17:42 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 17:42 | what distro?
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| 17:42 | <libmandan> Debian etch. I have 9 servers running 4.1 with no problems.
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| 17:43 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 17:43 | <libmandan> Feel like I've missed something painfully obvious.
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| 17:43 | <jammcq> so if net1 logs out, then can net2 run ff with no probs?
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| 17:44 | <libmandan> Yes
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| 17:49 | <libmandan> One app I've noticed when doing ps -Unetx is dbus-launch and dbus-daemon. These don't appear on my 4.1 servers
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| 17:49 | <jammcq> what happens if you try to launch firefox from an xterm window?
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| 17:51 | <libmandan> I'm offsite now but I can connet and giv it a try...momento
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| 17:53 | Iget this error: The program 'firefox-bin' received an X Window System error.
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| 17:53 | This probably reflects a bug in the program.
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| 17:54 | Also, firefox here is really iceweasel.
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| 17:57 | If I use "firefox --sync" ff will launch.
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| 18:11 | Going to sleep on it and look at things in th emorning. Thanks for taking the time.
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| 18:11 | exit
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| 18:28 | <lns> alright guys here's an interesting one
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| 18:28 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ResolveRamIssues - I created this page after implementing the fix described in it
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| 18:29 | I have two different kinds of thin clients at my labs - NeoWare e100's and older Compaq iPaq workstations.
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| 18:29 | the iPaqs will not, with the modified /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/screen.d/ldm script, launch LDM.
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| 18:30 | The error is: "Fatal server error: xf86MapVidMem: Could not mmap framebuffer (random mem addresses) (Cannot allocate memory)
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| 18:30 | The neoware clients, however, boot up fine.
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| 18:32 | Any ideas?
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| 18:53 | <lns> hey, is NBD_SWAP a valid lts.conf entry? if so, is it the same/different as USE_NBD_SWAP ?
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| 18:54 | I can't find plain old NBD_SWAP in the docs at all
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