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Channel log from 28 September 2009 (all times are UTC)
| 00:01 | <map7> I've already tried ' X_DEVICE_OPTION_01='"SWCursor" "1"'' in my lts.conf and that didn't change anything
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| 00:05 | <dberkholz> did you actually shut down the client for ~5-10 seconds before rebooting?
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| 00:05 | sometimes these things can persist across warm reboots
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| 00:05 | <map7> each time I've made sure I'm doing a cold boot on the client
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| 00:06 | <dberkholz> hmm. if you're using an older radeon driver, SWcursor might actually default off instead of on. have you tried 0 instead of 1?
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| 00:07 | <map7> Yes I have, there was no difference
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| 00:08 | <dberkholz> next thing i'd do is look for a newer version of the driver to try
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| 00:08 | <map7> I'm not sure if that syntax is correct it could be ignoring that line in the config file
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| 00:09 | <dberkholz> take a look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf on the client when it's booted
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| 00:09 | should be easy to tell what's there and what's not
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| 00:09 | i need to go to bed, it's past midnight here. good luck with your problem
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| 00:09 | <map7> thanks
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| 00:43 | <johnny> /me wonders where dberkholz is that it is past midnight
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| 00:43 | must not be his normal stomping grounds
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| 05:24 | <leOn> hello
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| 05:26 | in version 5 of ltsp, from what i know, xdmcp was abbandoned in favour of an ssh tunnel, and seems like remote device mounting, such as pen drives is no longer supported .. could someone confirm this for me?
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| 05:29 | <ogra> localdevice access works fine with ltsp5
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| 05:29 | thats what the tunnel is used for :)
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| 05:30 | (among all other extra features)
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| 06:07 | <leOn> ogra: could you point me to the docs detailing that part?
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| 06:07 | <ogra> !docs
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| 06:07 | <ltspbot> ogra: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 06:08 | <ogra> the tunnel is the core communication channel for everything
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| 06:08 | <leOn> ogra: i've been looking that the html version of that document, but found nothing regarding the remote mounting of local volumes ...
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| 06:09 | <ogra> well, ltspfs uses the tunnel for issuing the mount commands on the server once a local device is detected
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| 06:11 | i.e: you plug in a device, udev notices it, notifies ltspfsd through an udev script, that calls ltspfs on the server side to start a network mount with the ltspfs protocol ... if the mount is successfull, a dir owned by the user is creasted in /media/$USER/<devicename>
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| 06:12 | <ogra> the communication for all this happens through the ssh tunnel
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| 06:22 | <leOn> hmm.. think the problem might have to do with group membership (fuse)
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| 06:23 | <ogra> yes, ltspfs uses a fuse based FS
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| 06:29 | <leOn> awsome
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| 06:29 | http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg33167.html
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| 06:29 | this solved my problem
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| 06:30 | =)
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| 06:30 | very neat trick .. should be in the wiki IMO
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| 08:52 | <sbalneav> leOn: So, go ahead and put it there :)
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| 09:54 | <jammcq> Gooood morning everyone
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| 09:54 | sbalneav: ping
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| 09:54 | <cliebow> !j
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| 09:54 | <ltspbot> cliebow: "j" is jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:55 | <jammcq> cliebow: hey, it's getting close to lahbstah time
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| 09:55 | <cliebow> you bet!
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| 09:55 | * jammcq was in Boston last week and had a wonderful lobster meal | |
| 09:55 | <cliebow> looks like a good turnout
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| 09:55 | cool!
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| 10:03 | <CAN-o-SPAM> hey jammcq!
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| 10:04 | <sbalneav> jammcq: Pongity
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| 10:05 | <cliebow> heh
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| 10:05 | <jammcq> sbalneav: hey
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| 10:06 | sbalneav: weren't we talking about having a hackfest in europe sometime?
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| 10:06 | * cliebow cliebow listens loningly | |
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| 10:13 | <sbalneav> jammcq: Sure!
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| 10:14 | How about we hit up our buddy ogra to scope out a cheap venue for us somewhere in Deutchland
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| 10:14 | <jammcq> that might work
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| 10:15 | * ogra can do that | |
| 10:15 | <jammcq> but for now, let's keep it open to other areas too
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| 10:15 | <sbalneav> Well, sure.
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| 10:15 | <jammcq> ogra: what's the big city near you?
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| 10:15 | <sbalneav> I'm just throwing idears out ther.
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| 10:15 | <ogra> hannover or frankfurt are equally near
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| 10:15 | i live in the middle between them
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| 10:15 | <jammcq> frankfurt is really easy to get to, because of the big airport
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| 10:16 | or flughaft
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| 10:16 | <dro> you guys having a meeting about ltsp?
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| 10:16 | <cliebow> dro:yup!
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| 10:16 | <ogra> kassel (where i live) would be cheap and surely easy to find smth. but its an additional 1.5h trainride from the airport
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| 10:16 | <jammcq> dro: just discussing possibility of having a LTSP hackfest somewhere in europe
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| 10:16 | <sbalneav> Or, maybe alkisg might like to host us somewhere in in .gr
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| 10:16 | <jammcq> trainrides are perfectly OK in my mind
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| 10:16 | <dro> cliebow: hwo far in the future?
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| 10:16 | * alkisg reads up... | |
| 10:17 | <jammcq> dro: i'm thinking next summer or so
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| 10:17 | <sbalneav> See mount olympus
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| 10:17 | <ogra> jammcq, depends when you arrive :)
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| 10:17 | <cliebow> dro:this is jut in the hash stage..
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| 10:17 | <dro> I live in the US, wonder if my boss would send me out
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| 10:17 | <ogra> jammcq, trains only go until 11pm in germany
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| 10:17 | <alkisg> Sure!!!! I'd be glad to! :)
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| 10:17 | <cliebow> dro:how about Maine?
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| 10:17 | <jammcq> dro: you could come to our hackfest in Maine in 3 weeks
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| 10:17 | <alkisg> Summer is better, nice beatches over here... ;)
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| 10:17 | <dro> jammcq: thats an idea! whats the date
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| 10:17 | <ogra> jammcq, if your plane arrives late you're screwed and have to pay an extra hoteö
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| 10:17 | *hotel
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| 10:18 | <sbalneav> We could twist Asmo's arm to come.
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| 10:18 | <cliebow> dro oct 22-25
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| 10:18 | <jammcq> ogra: everytime I've flown to frankfurt, I arrived early in the morning
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| 10:18 | <dro> cliebow: cool i'll see whta I can do
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| 10:18 | city in maine?
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| 10:18 | <ogra> sbalneav, we could open a donation pot ;)
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| 10:18 | <cliebow> look on wiki.ltsp.org for deatails of bts
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| 10:19 | <ogra> jammcq, well, from the US, yes :)
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| 10:19 | <cliebow> dro:well not exactly a city..more a hamlet..Tremont
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| 10:19 | <jammcq> dro: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ByTheSea2009
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| 10:19 | ogra: in all likelyhood, somewhere in Germany would probably be the easiest
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| 10:20 | <ogra> its pretty central
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| 10:20 | <jammcq> it's easy to get there, easy to get around, has good beer
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| 10:20 | <CAN-o-SPAM> jammcq: are you driving again?
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| 10:20 | <jammcq> what more could we ask for
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| 10:20 | CAN-o-SPAM: yes
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| 10:20 | <ogra> romania would be 5% of the pricing though :)
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| 10:20 | <jammcq> well... driving to Maine. Not driving to Germany
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| 10:20 | oh?
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| 10:20 | <CAN-o-SPAM> heh
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| 10:20 | <ogra> or hungary
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| 10:20 | <jammcq> I could do romania
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| 10:20 | <ogra> or something else in the east
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| 10:20 | <jammcq> yes, I'm hungary
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| 10:20 | lunch is coming soon
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| 10:20 | <ogra> haha
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| 10:20 | <CAN-o-SPAM> jammcq: i think RCC is going in my place
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| 10:20 | <jammcq> how about finland?
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| 10:21 | CAN-o-SPAM: super. are you going to LA ?
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| 10:21 | <ogra> big distances ... i have no experoience with .fi
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| 10:21 | <CAN-o-SPAM> jammcq: thats the plan
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| 10:21 | <cliebow> norway?
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| 10:21 | <alkisg> Hungary for Turkey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAMA9P-4qCk
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| 10:21 | <cliebow> ehere is ragnar?probably houston
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| 10:22 | <CAN-o-SPAM> jammcq: you have any interested in Admin privs on LinkedIn LTSP group? Or twitter uname/pass?
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| 10:22 | <jammcq> cliebow: ragnar won't be joining us this year :( He's got a college reunion to attend
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| 10:22 | CAN-o-SPAM: prolly not necessary
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| 10:23 | <CAN-o-SPAM> k
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| 10:23 | <cliebow> ok..too bad..
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| 10:24 | <ogra> jammcq, pfft, he could do that at the next reunion in 20 years as well :P
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| 10:24 | lame excuse imho
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| 10:25 | <jammcq> well... just a misplaced sense of priorities
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| 10:25 | <ogra> i have an ubuntu release to babysit and am still coming :P
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| 10:40 | <alkisg> Can anyone test a new ica-launcher script?
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| 10:40 | <Ahmuck_Sr> what's an ica-launcher
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| 10:40 | <alkisg> It's for italc
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| 10:41 | <Ahmuck_Sr> btw, knowing it's not the network, what else could be slowing things down. didn't you say you were getting x fps on a low end pc?
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| 10:41 | <alkisg> Ahmuck_Sr: I'm in the middle of hacking ica-launcher, can we talk about this later?
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| 10:41 | <jammcq> hey alkisg: if we had a LTSP hackfest in Germany, would you be able to join us?
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| 10:42 | <Ahmuck_Sr> alkisg i'm in no rush
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| 10:42 | <alkisg> jammcq: I'd try really hard - but I got 3 little kids, so I can't promise anything :(
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| 10:42 | <Ahmuck_Sr> ltsp hackfest, as in coders?
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| 10:42 | <jammcq> alkisg: we're talking next summer, possibly.
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| 10:42 | Ahmuck_Sr: anybody
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| 10:43 | <alkisg> Unless some major problem occurs, I'm there! :)
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| 10:43 | <jammcq> we'll talk more later, to see what works for people
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| 10:44 | <alkisg> Sure... keep in mind that Greece has beautiful seas and islands ;)
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| 10:44 | <jammcq> oooh, Asmo is offering something in Finland to get us there
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| 10:45 | KDE's Akademy will be in Finland around late June or early July
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| 10:45 | * alkisg needs to find some cool photos of greek islands with cheeks etc to raise the stakes... :P | |
| 10:46 | <jammcq> cheeks? or chicks ?
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| 10:46 | <ogra> lol
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| 10:46 | akademy
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| 10:47 | * ogra isnt really eager about being bashed to death | |
| 10:47 | <alkisg> Ooops
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| 10:47 | <Ahmuck_Sr> nobody makes hardware in ivory anymore
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| 10:57 | <alkisg> stgraber or anyone else: to get a list of the ports in use in a computer, I do: netstat -nap 2>/dev/null | sed -n 's/unix[^0-9]*[0-9]*[^0-9]*\([0-9]*\).*/\1/p;s/tcp[^:]*:\([0-9]*\).*/\1/p;s/udp[^:]*:\([0-9]*\).*/\1/p' | sort -n
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| 10:57 | But vino doesn't show in those ports... how could I detect if it's running? With nc?
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| 11:12 | <dro> *Dances* Looks like there is a good chance I'll be at ByTheSea2009
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| 11:12 | <jammcq> dro: awesome. Just add your info to the wiki page
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| 11:12 | dro: where are you coming from?
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| 11:14 | <dro> Oklahoma
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| 11:14 | I will when my boss confirms it
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| 11:14 | <jammcq> wow, cool
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| 11:15 | dro: there may be a boat ride on thursday afternoon, for the people who can be there by noon or so.
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| 11:16 | <dro> not sure when I would arrive, probably be friday in the morning though
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| 11:16 | <jammcq> k
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| 11:16 | I gotta run out for a bit. I'll be back
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| 11:39 | <maxagaz> hi
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| 11:39 | hi alkisg
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| 11:39 | <alkisg> Hi
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| 11:39 | Did you have any progress?
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| 11:40 | * Lns waves to #ltsp ppl | |
| 11:42 | <Lns> I'm hoping to get anyone interested in getting some momentum behind this Open Office / LTSP bug to visit http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=97906 and comment... There seems to be no movement by the OOo team and I think we need to get more voices/votes in for them to take it more seriously.
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| 11:43 | If you can, test it out on your clients (especially if they have =< 128MB) and you'll most likely see them crash after changing slides 5-7 times.
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| 11:48 | <Guest1151> it's not voices that are needed Lns
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| 11:48 | <johnny> it's somebody to do it ..
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| 11:48 | <Lns> johnny: the more people that tell them they're being affected, the more likely someone will be to hop on it and spend time fixing it.
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| 11:49 | Right now it's just one person (me). They're going to pay more attention to bugs that affect many more people.
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| 11:52 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Lns: it's out to the twitter world.
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| 11:52 | <Lns> thanks CAN-o-SPAM ! =)
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| 12:00 | <johnny> Lns, perhaps send a note to ltsp-discuss for people to vote on it, also to the linkedin group
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| 12:01 | <Lns> johnny: good idea :)
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| 12:39 | <maxagaz> alkisg, sorry, i just saw you message
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| 12:40 | <ph27> is gnome-watchdog the best way to clean up orphaned processes when someone just pulls the plug on an ltsp client?
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| 12:41 | <shawnp0wers> Is there an lts.conf example file anywhere downloadable, with many of the useful options listed either commented out or with the default values?
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| 12:41 | I'm setting up some Ubuntu LTSP machines
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| 12:41 | <johnny> shawnp0wers, sorta
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| 12:42 | look for lts-parameters.txt.gz
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| 12:42 | <shawnp0wers> ok - I hand't unzipped that yet, but thanks
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| 12:42 | <maxagaz> no, still the same error message after removing /opt/ltsp/i386 and reinstalling the thinclient with: ltsp-build-client ; ltsp-update-sshkeys ; ltsp-update-image
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| 12:42 | <johnny> you never need to run sshkeys after install unless you changed the ip since
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| 12:42 | so the last 2 steps were pointless
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| 12:42 | <maxagaz> i still can't log with my user/passwd
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| 12:43 | <johnny> and your users are on the server?
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| 12:43 | try ssh from a different computer
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| 12:43 | <maxagaz> alkisg
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| 12:43 | <johnny> don't try to log into the same user you already have logged in either
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| 12:43 | via gui
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| 12:44 | <maxagaz> johnny, yes, the users are on the server
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| 12:45 | <shawnp0wers> johnny: eiw, just explanations, not an actual default file. Ok, I'll go make one. :)
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| 12:45 | <johnny> then make sure ssh works was one of those users
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| 12:45 | shawnp0wers, most people don't need any of the options
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| 12:45 | it would just confuse people
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| 12:45 | <shawnp0wers> well, until they DO need the options
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| 12:45 | ;)
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| 12:45 | <johnny> altho fedora does do one iirc
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| 12:45 | check in the ltsp bzr repo for what fedora has
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| 12:45 | <johnny> altho it might be in their rpm
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| 12:46 | <alkisg> shawnp0wers: if you make a good lts.conf example, do submit it to ltsp-developer for the devs to consider putting it upstream :)
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| 12:46 | <maxagaz> johnny, alkisg it works... :D
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| 12:46 | <alkisg> maxagaz: I really don't know why it isn't working for you. ^H^H^H^H^H^ really?
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| 12:46 | What was wrong?
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| 12:47 | <maxagaz> alkisg, johnny, it was because my keyboard on the server is azerty, and this of the thinclient is qwerty !!
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| 12:47 | <alkisg> I was *just* thinking about keyboard layouts... :(
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| 12:47 | <maxagaz> alkisg, johnny, i figured it out when trying to log with another user as johnny suggested
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| 12:47 | <johnny> alkisg, we already have on in fedora
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| 12:48 | <alkisg> But why did it work with ssh? The layout didn't take effect?
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| 12:48 | johnny: could you please put it to pastebot?
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| 12:48 | <johnny> i don't know where it is
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| 12:48 | i just know warren provides one
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| 12:48 | <alkisg> OK
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| 12:49 | johnny: in Ubuntu, there is one there: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client-core/examples/lts.conf
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| 12:49 | ...but it's not as good as e.g. the example dnsmasq.conf from the dnsmasq package...
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| 12:50 | <johnny> well maxagaz i'm glad you figured it out :)
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| 12:50 | <maxagaz> alkisg, because on the tty2, the keyboard layout was qwerty
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| 12:50 | <alkisg> Heh... lesson learned: 1234 is the best password ever :P
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| 12:50 | <johnny> there might be an lts.conf variable for that?
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| 12:51 | <maxagaz> alkisg, ;)
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| 12:51 | <sbalneav> shawnp0wers:
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| 12:51 | !docs
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| 12:51 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 12:51 | <sbalneav> ^^^
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| 12:52 | <maxagaz> alkisg, now, i've two new steps to do... making thin client boot without the grub on the harddrive, and then making it boot with the dhcp on my router
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| 12:53 | <alkisg> maxagaz: well... is your router configurable? can it provide a boot filename?
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| 12:53 | <maxagaz> alkisg, it seems it can
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| 12:54 | <alkisg> ...and a next-server == tftp server?
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| 12:54 | If so, yeah, you could do that easily...
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| 12:54 | <alkisg> I don't know about the booting problem, though. Does it really say realtek pxe? without mentioning intel at all?
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| 12:54 | <maxagaz> alkisg, i'd like to solve first the pxe problem
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| 12:55 | <alkisg> maxagaz: no, don't start with that
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| 12:55 | Do them both together
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| 12:55 | Because your bios may be semi-broken and not work with dhcp3-server, but it may work with your router dhcp server, or vice versa
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| 12:55 | So better go for the final configuration at once...
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| 12:55 | <maxagaz> alkisg, i see
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| 12:56 | <alkisg> To test the router, you also have gpxe
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| 12:56 | <maxagaz> alkisg, so actually, i have nothing to change in my bios config right ?
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| 12:56 | <alkisg> Well... if you see the pxe boot prompt, trying to acquire a dhcp address, and it fails, I don't see what else you can do from the bios
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| 12:57 | <alkisg> ...and you checked the cables (i.e. you put it to the mainboard nic), so...??? just test with your router now.
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| 12:58 | <alkisg> maxagaz: you could also try *removing* the other nic, in case the bios gets mixed up.
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| 12:58 | <maxagaz> alkisg, yes i did those tests...
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| 12:59 | alkisg, good idea
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| 12:59 | alkisg, i'm checking the router's config...
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| 12:59 | <alkisg> OK, try with gpxe first
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| 12:59 | <maxagaz> there is something about tftp...
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| 13:00 | file: r402mv2.bin, and tftp server ip: 192.168.1.101
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| 13:01 | <alkisg> Right. Change it to /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 and tftp server = the ltsp server.
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| 13:07 | <maxagaz> alkisg, the file name can't exceed 20 chars, and it's 21 chars!
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| 13:07 | alkisg, can i use an alias ?
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| 13:07 | <alkisg> maxagaz: then you'll need to move them in your server dir
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| 13:08 | e.g. do a copy of all i386/* to ..
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| 13:08 | ah sorry
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| 13:08 | yeah you're right
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| 13:08 | /ltsp/i386/pxe.0 => symlinked to pxelinux.0
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| 13:09 | <maxagaz> alkisg, without /opt at the begining of the path ?
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| 13:09 | <alkisg> No, those files are in /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 13:10 | <maxagaz> ok, sorry
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| 13:12 | <maxagaz> alkisg, ok, now i have "pxelinux.0 -> ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0" in /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 13:12 | <alkisg> No no don't do that
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| 13:12 | Make a symlink in the same dir
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| 13:13 | I.e. /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxe.0 => pxelinux.0
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| 13:13 | This way you won't have to make symlinks for the kernel and other dirs etc
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| 13:13 | So the filename for your router would be: /ltsp/i386/pxe.0
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| 13:14 | (all the paths are relative to the tftpboot dir)
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| 13:15 | <maxagaz> alkisg, ok :) (it seems I was gonna broke my router)
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| 13:18 | <maxagaz> alkisg, the file was refused by the router
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> Meaning? it doesn't want slashes?
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| 13:19 | <maxagaz> it says "the version number is incorrect"
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> Hrmwhat?
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| 13:19 | <maxagaz> alkisg, "check again your file"
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| 13:20 | alkisg, i'm perhaps in the wrong place...
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| 13:21 | alkisg, the router is in chinese actually, i can't change the language...
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| 13:21 | <alkisg> maxagaz: if you don't manage to do it with your router, here's an alternative: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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| 13:21 | This way you keep your router as a dhcp server, but your ltsp-server provides the boot filename.
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| 13:22 | <maxagaz> alkisg, it seems i'm in the page to update the router, not to configure the tftp boot
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| 13:22 | <alkisg> Heh!
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| 13:22 | You were about to flash the router.. nice :)
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| 13:23 | <maxagaz> alkisg, :)
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| 13:29 | <alkisg> stgraber: ping?
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| 13:30 | <maxagaz> alkisg, thanks a lot for your help
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| 13:30 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 13:30 | <maxagaz> alkisg, i will keep this step for tomorrow
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| 13:31 | <alkisg> Sure... give yourself enough time to learn chinese :P :D
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| 13:32 | <maxagaz> alkisg, but could you explain me how this works, i mean, how the thin client knows on which dhcp-server to take its informations from ?
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| 13:32 | <alkisg> maxagaz: there's only 1 dhcp server
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| 13:32 | The other one is complementary, it only adds the filename + the next-server dhcp options
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| 13:33 | It doesn't send an IP or other dhcp stuff.
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| 13:36 | <maxagaz> alkisg, and this modem/router has a story! it was bought by a guy working in a foreign company in beijing, because it was only in chinese, he wrote "out of service" on it and through it until someone found it and gave it to me :)
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| 13:38 | alkisg, if i had two ltsp server, how the thin would make its choice, and i could i influence this choice ?
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| 13:38 | s/i/how
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| 13:39 | <alkisg> In a usual setup, you'd use *one* dhcp server, *one* tftp server, and two ltsp servers
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| 13:39 | You'd point to the correct ltsp server either with nbdroot, or with ldm_server in lts.conf
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| 13:43 | <maxagaz> alkisg, in such usual setup, which server speaks the first a client when it's booting ? (even if the client doesn't use one or the other service) ?
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| 13:44 | alkisg, s/speak/speak to
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| 13:44 | <alkisg> Server "A" is a dhcp / tftp / ltsp server. Server "B" is only an ltsp server.
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| 13:44 | So, server "A" would be the first one to speak to all the clients
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| 13:45 | Then, the clients would select whichever server *you* told them to select, either A or B.
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| 13:45 | You could do that based on mac address, based on a random number or however you want.
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| 13:50 | <maxagaz> alkisg, thanks again!
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| 13:51 | alkisg, i'll tell you again tomorrow about my tests if you are here
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| 13:51 | alkisg, good night!
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| 14:00 | <warren> Anyone still touching ltsp-trunk? I need to tag soon.
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| 14:31 | <Remaille> hi
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| 14:31 | I have a tricky problem in my school with LTSP
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| 14:31 | I would like to do that : http://img180.imageshack.us/i/ltspserveur01.png/
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| 14:31 | <shawnp0wers> Hmm... i'm not sure where to ask other than here -- are there still REALLY long bootup issue with some thin clients?
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| 14:32 | ie, the HP-5000 series
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| 14:32 | <Remaille> what could i do with my PXE menu (I guess this is the point) ? thanks
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| 14:33 | maybe it is a "mode" in wich LTSP can not work ?
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| 14:45 | <warren> I'm tagging ltsp-trunk
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| 14:48 | <dro> Remaille: so what are you really trying to do? have a windows dhcp server issue dhcp to pxe client?
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| 14:48 | <Remaille> dro, yes
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| 14:49 | serveur01 is a windows 2003 server
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| 14:49 | and we can't use another DHCP (forbidden)
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| 14:49 | <dro> Remaille: how many nics in your ltsp server
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| 14:49 | <Remaille> dro, nics ?
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| 14:49 | <dro> network interface cards
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| 14:50 | <Remaille> ah ok : one
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| 14:50 | <dro> perfect and what release?
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| 14:50 | ubuntu?
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| 14:50 | <Remaille> yes
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| 14:50 | <dro> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
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| 14:50 | look for windows dhcp
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| 14:51 | gives you a howto with screenshots
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| 14:51 | search for: LTSPWindowsDHCP
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| 14:52 | <dro> Remaille: the howto tells you to make a reservation for the specific mac address, but i didn't in my setup
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| 14:52 | i just used the default scope, which is what I suggest you do
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| 14:52 | it won't hurt for your regular clients to receive the extra stuff
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| 14:53 | <Remaille> ok thanks :)
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| 14:53 | dro, in the PXE menu we must keep a "norton ghost" entry
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| 14:54 | if we do that will this entry will work ?
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| 14:54 | <dro> Remaille: define pxe menu
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| 14:54 | Remaille: one of the scope options is for norton ghost?
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| 14:54 | <Remaille> pxe menu loads perfectly
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| 14:54 | yes item 1 : ghost
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| 14:54 | item 2 : LTSP
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| 14:55 | <dro> Remaille: so you want a duel boot type setup?
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| 14:55 | Remaille: dual boot type setup
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| 14:55 | <Remaille> hem yes, that's it
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| 14:55 | <dro> where the client boots up, and you press 1 to boot into norton ghost and then 2 for PXE
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| 14:55 | and now, it just boots directly to pxe correct?
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| 14:56 | <Remaille> when you boot on the network, students can choose LTSP of Ghost (password protected, just for admins)
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| 14:56 | menu 1, with ghost stuff is working ok
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| 14:56 | <dro> Remaille: but menu 2 with pxe is not?
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| 14:56 | <Remaille> we would like to configure properly menu 2
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| 14:56 | yes that menu 2 should say to the client where ltsp server is
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| 14:57 | <dro> Remaille: ok so when the pc boots up, you only get Option 1, and you want to add Option 2 that is pxe, correct?
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| 14:57 | <Remaille> and where in kernel to load, where is nfs (if i understood things properly)
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| 14:57 | exact :)
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| 14:58 | <dro> Remaille: ok my first question is how did you get norton to be Option 1? is it loaded directly onto the hard drive?
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| 14:58 | <Remaille> dro (sorry) no with pxe
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| 14:59 | i copy/paste a part of tis menu
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| 14:59 | <dro> Remaille: wait
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| 14:59 | use pastebin
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| 14:59 | !pastebin
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| 14:59 | <ltspbot> dro: "pastebin" is try !pastebot
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| 14:59 | <dro> !pastebot
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| 14:59 | <ltspbot> dro: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 15:00 | <Remaille> http://pastebin.com/m4ab261ff
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| 15:01 | <dro> Remaille: ok so you have configure dhcp scope options to boot to norton ghost
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| 15:01 | <ltsppbot> "remaille" pasted "DEFAULT vesamenu.c32 menuconf/" (18 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/563
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| 15:01 | <Remaille> yes
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| 15:01 | menu 1 is working, ghost "kernel" loads from server (not on HD) so that admins can backup or whatever
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| 15:02 | problem is menu 2
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| 15:02 | <dro> Remaille: what OS is on the hard drive
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| 15:02 | <Remaille> on the client ? OS is not used in PXE, ghost kernel is sent by the serveur
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| 15:02 | on serveur : 2003
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| 15:02 | on ltsp : ubuntu 9.04
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| 15:03 | <Remaille> LABEL GHOST : is working
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| 15:03 | <dro> Remaille: i understand what you're trying to do
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| 15:03 | <Remaille> LABEL LTSP : no,
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| 15:04 | sorry dro it is difficult to explain when you don't know exactly where the problem is ! ;-)
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| 15:04 | art of problem solving ;)
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| 15:04 | <dro> Remaille: i understand, give me a couple minutes
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| 15:05 | <Remaille> I would be very gratefull, if we could solve this :) the problem will be the same for the otehrs schools in my district
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| 15:05 | and we are quite a few willig to uses LTSP and Linux in our schools (SW of France)
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| 15:06 | <dro> Remaille: so what pxe info do you need to add to your config file?
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| 15:07 | <Remaille> you mean the pxelinux.0/default ?
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| 15:07 | or something like that
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| 15:07 | <dro> # 017 Root Path: /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 15:07 | #
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| 15:07 | 066 Boot Server Host Name: <ip address>
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| 15:07 | # 067 Bootfile Name: ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 # for Edgy and up
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| 15:07 | # 067 Bootfile Name: ltsp/pxelinux.0 # for Dapper
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| 15:08 | <Remaille> pxelinux.cfg\default
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| 15:09 | <dro> Remaille: do you already have those scope options set in your windows scope for ghost?
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| 15:09 | <Remaille> i don't know
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| 15:10 | i think all is default
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| 15:10 | dhcp server is tftpd32
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| 15:10 | not widows built in one
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| 15:10 | if i change it will it affect ghost ?
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| 15:11 | <dro> Remaille: you tell me, you're the one with the server
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| 15:12 | Remaille: but to save you the trouble, sounds like you can either boot to one or the other
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| 15:12 | Remaille: not both at the same time
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| 15:12 | <sbalneav> Remaille: I suspect you'll have better luck on either the Etherboot or gPXE lists and/or channels. You're problem really isn't an LTSP problem, it's a problem with the PXE bootloader and/or menu.
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| 15:12 | <dro> sbalneav: agreed
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| 15:13 | <Remaille> yes you are right, ltsp works fine when he is the dhcp server...
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| 15:14 | <sbalneav> It will ultimately depend on the PXE implementation on the thin clients wether or not they will even support the menu options.
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| 15:15 | <Remaille> actually, it load a PXE menu
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| 15:16 | thnaks btw ! :-)
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| 15:16 | <dro> Remaille: goodluck
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| 15:16 | <Remaille> yes, I need some... ;)
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| 15:22 | <cg_uira> hi, I have installed ltsp in ubuntu 8.04
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| 15:22 | I installer directly from alternate cd
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| 15:22 | I have a previous dhcp server in another machine
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| 15:23 | I have disabled dhcp3-server from the ltsp server with # update-rc.d -f dhcp3-server remove
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| 15:24 | But, now when I do: ps -ef | grep dhcp3-server
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| 15:25 | I obtain: root 6458 6447 0 15:56 pts/0 00:00:00 grep dhcp3-server
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| 15:25 | <dro> cg_uira: type sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server stop
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| 15:25 | cg_uira: sudo apt-get remove dhcp3-server
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| 15:25 | <cg_uira> I did, but it fail
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| 15:26 | <dro> well really, read this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP
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| 15:26 | <cg_uira> if I remove or purge the package, remove ltsp-standalone too
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| 15:26 | <Remaille> cg_uira, "root 6458 6447 0 15:56 pts/0 00:00:00 grep dhcp3-server" juste means that "root" ahs performed a grep
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| 15:27 | no other dhcp things, so dhcp is stopped
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| 15:27 | <dro> Remaille: you are correct i missed that
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| 15:27 | <Remaille> try ps -ef | grep stupid_name
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| 15:27 | <cg_uira> It's not running?
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| 15:27 | <Remaille> :)
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| 15:27 | yes
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| 15:28 | <dro> cg_uira: sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server stop
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| 15:28 | cg_uira: sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server status
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| 15:28 | <dro> cg_uira: follow this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP
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| 15:29 | <cg_uira> dro: thank you, I do it
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| 15:32 | /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server status > Status of DHCP server: dhcpd3 is not running.
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| 15:32 | It,s true not running...thanks
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| 15:33 | <Remaille> anyway, behavior of ps -ef | grep * seems strange
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| 15:33 | and confusing
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| 15:34 | <cg_uira> yes, I don't understand because is the same output that my active dhcp server
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| 15:35 | for that I think that two dhcp server was running
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| 15:45 | <sbalneav> Remaille: It's prefectly logical. The "grep" shows up in the command list.
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| 15:45 | If you DON'T want to see a search term, use the following bit of magic.
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| 15:45 | <sbalneav> ps -ef | grep "[Dd]hcp"
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| 15:46 | <Remaille> :-o
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| 15:46 | <sbalneav> Since this causes grep to look for either "Dhcp" or "dhcp", but it will never find the actual string "d]hcp" since there's a ] in between
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| 15:47 | "Stand back, I know regular expressions"
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| 15:47 | <jammcq> sbalneav: put the regular expressions down and nobody will get hurt
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| 15:47 | <sbalneav> [Nn]|[Nn]o
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| 15:48 | :)
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| 15:48 | <jammcq> [Yy](es){0,1}
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| 15:50 | <sbalneav> "Most people, when encountering a problem, think 'I know, I'll use regular expressions!' Now they have 2 problems"
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| 15:51 | http://comox.textdrive.com/pipermail/wp-hackers/2005-March/000268.html
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| 15:52 | That's one big regex
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| 15:53 | <dro> I have a feeling I am going to be very quiet at the BTS
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| 15:53 | you kills will walk in syntax to me like a foreign language
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| 15:53 | *talk not walk
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| 16:02 | <sbalneav> Nah
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| 16:03 | Some work gets done at the BTS, but IMHO, it's more of a "team building" excercise than anything else.
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| 16:05 | * Lns wishes he could afford to go :( stupid family members getting married and traveling for the holidays has me broke. | |
| 16:05 | <Lns> not stupid..just stupid that i'm broke because of it ;)
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| 16:07 | <jammcq> Lns: there's always next year. we do this every year
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| 16:07 | <Lns> yeah, i was really excited about going though =(
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| 16:08 | i hope you guys have a blast though!
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| 16:08 | drink a pint for me =)
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| 16:08 | <jammcq> i'm certain we will
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| 16:08 | <Lns> hehe
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| 16:17 | <dro> lol
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| 16:18 | how many ppl normally show up
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| 16:18 | <jammcq> dro: 15-18
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| 16:19 | <dro> cool
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| 16:19 | ok guys i'm out for the day
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| 16:20 | i'm going to home and drink many pints
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| 16:20 | lol
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| 16:20 | night
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| 17:32 | <shawnp0wers> _UsUrPeR_: You around?
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| 17:33 | I'm pulling my hair out with sound in flash when firefox is a local app
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| 17:33 | sound works if the lts.conf is set to SOUND=True
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| 17:33 | but after a few seconds of playing flash audio, it quits
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| 17:34 | there was a discussion about whether sound could be enabled for only local apps OR server apps
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| 17:34 | but I can't seem to figure out how to enable sound for local apps if SOUND=False is set in the lts.conf file...
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| 18:43 | <Ahmuck_Sr> i've got the same problem as well shawnp0wers
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| 22:45 | <map7> If I've updated the kernel in the ltsp image how do I tell the client to boot from that? (I'm running LTSP5, Ubuntu 9.04 i386 32bit)
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| 22:52 | <johnny> ltsp-update-kernels && ltsp-update-image
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| 22:54 | <map7> that's it, i forgot about ltsp-update-kernels thanks
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