IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 29 May 2017 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:34 | <alkisg> !ltsp-source
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| 06:34 | <ltsp> ltsp-source: at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/files
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| 06:35 | <alkisg> !forget ltsp-source
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| 06:35 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 06:35 | <alkisg> !learn ltsp-source as at https://git.launchpad.net/ltsp/tree/
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| 06:35 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 06:35 | <alkisg> !source
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| 06:35 | <ltsp> My source is at http://supybot.com/
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| 06:35 | <alkisg> !ltsp
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| 06:35 | <ltsp> ltsp: LTSP is the Linux Terminal Server Project, the open source thin client solution. You can find it at http://www.ltsp.org
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| 06:35 | <alkisg> !forget ltsp
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| 06:35 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 06:35 | <alkisg> !ltsp
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| 06:35 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'ltsp', but I do know about these similar topics: 'ltsp-upstream', 'ltsp-trunk', 'ltsp42', 'bestltspdistro', 'ltsp5', 'ltspsource', 'ltsp-discuss', 'ltsp-developer', 'kiwi-ltsp', 'ltsp-update-image', 'ltsp-update-sshkeys', 'ltspfs-source', 'ltsp-sources', 'ltsp-bug', 'ltsp_config.d', 'ltsp-update-kernels', 'ltsp6', 'pkg-ltsp-debian', 'pkg-ltsp-ubuntu', 'ltsp-pnp', 'non-ltsp', 'ltsp-docs', 'ltsp-info', (1 more message)
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| 06:35 | <alkisg> !ltsp-trunk
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| 06:35 | <ltsp> ltsp-trunk: The LTSP code is at https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk
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| 06:35 | <alkisg> !forget ltsp-trunk
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| 06:35 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 06:36 | <alkisg> !ltsp-upstream
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| 06:36 | <ltsp> ltsp-upstream: Comitters to the LTSP upstream branch on launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream
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| 06:36 | <alkisg> !ltsp42
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| 06:36 | <ltsp> ltsp42: The latest version of LTSP is version 4.2. You can find out all information about it on http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42
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| 06:36 | <alkisg> !forget ltsp42
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| 06:36 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 06:36 | <alkisg> !bestltspdistro
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| 06:36 | <ltsp> bestltspdistro: whatever you prefer
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| 06:36 | <alkisg> !ltsp5
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| 06:36 | <ltsp> ltsp5: ltsp5 is The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
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| 06:36 | <alkisg> !forget ltsp5
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| 06:36 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 06:36 | <alkisg> !ltspsource
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| 06:36 | <ltsp> ltspsource: https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream
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| 06:37 | <alkisg> !forget ltspsource
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| 06:37 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 06:37 | <alkisg> !ltspfs-source
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| 06:37 | <ltsp> ltspfs-source: at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltspfs-trunk/files
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| 06:37 | <alkisg> !forget ltspfs-source
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| 06:37 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 06:37 | <alkisg> !learn ltspfs-source as at https://git.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/+git/ltspfs/tree/
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| 06:37 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 06:38 | <alkisg> !non-ltsp
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| 06:38 | <ltsp> non-ltsp: It's better to direct your questions to the most suitable channel. For example, for questions that are not specific to LTSP, you might try distro-specific channels, such as #ubuntu, #debian, #suse, #fedora etc.
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| 06:38 | <alkisg> !ltsp_config.d
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| 06:38 | <ltsp> ltsp_config.d: You can create /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/ltsp_config.d/ and put scripts in it that dynamically set lts.conf variables. Those scripts are sourced by LTSP, not executed.
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| 06:38 | <alkisg> !dpkg-ltsp-debian
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| 06:38 | <ltsp> Error: "dpkg-ltsp-debian" is not a valid command.
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| 06:38 | <alkisg> !pkg-ltsp-debian
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| 06:38 | <ltsp> pkg-ltsp-debian: https://code.launchpad.net/~vagrantc/ltsp/ltsp-debian-packaging is a mirror of http://anonscm.debian.org/loggerhead/pkg-ltsp/ltsp-debian-packaging/files
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| 06:38 | <alkisg> !forget pkg-ltsp-debian
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| 06:38 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 06:38 | <alkisg> !forget pkg-ltsp-ubuntu
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| 06:38 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 06:38 | <alkisg> !ltsp
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| 06:38 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'ltsp', but I do know about these similar topics: 'ltsp-upstream', 'bestltspdistro', 'ltsp-discuss', 'ltsp-developer', 'kiwi-ltsp', 'ltsp-update-image', 'ltsp-update-sshkeys', 'ltsp-sources', 'ltsp-bug', 'ltsp_config.d', 'ltsp-update-kernels', 'ltsp6', 'ltsp-pnp', 'non-ltsp', 'ltsp-docs', 'ltsp-info', 'ltsp-pnp-debian', 'ltsp-git', 'ltsp6bugs', 'ltsp_config_env', 'ltsp-source', 'ltspfs-source'
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| 06:39 | <alkisg> !ldm
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| 06:39 | <ltsp> ldm: LDM is the LTSP Display Manager, required for LTSP thin/fat clients, because it authenticates the users to the server via SSH.
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| 06:39 | <alkisg> !forget ldm
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| 06:39 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 06:39 | <alkisg> !ldm
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| 06:39 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'ldm', but I do know about these similar topics: 'ldm-trunk', 'ldm-source', 'ldm-dualhead', 'ldm-po', 'worldmap', 'LDM_SESSION', 'LDM_PASSWORD_HASH'
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| 06:39 | <alkisg> !ldm-source
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| 06:39 | <ltsp> ldm-source: at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/files
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| 06:39 | <alkisg> !forget ldm-source
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| 06:39 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 06:39 | <alkisg> !learn ldm-source as at https://git.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/+git/ldm/tree/
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| 06:39 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 06:39 | <alkisg> !ldm-trunk
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| 06:39 | <ltsp> ldm-trunk: The LTSP Display Manager (LDM) code is at https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk
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| 06:39 | <alkisg> !forget ldm-trunk
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| 06:39 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 06:39 | <alkisg> !ldm-po
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| 06:39 | <ltsp> ldm-po: To see if LDM is translated in your language: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/files/head:/po/ If it isn't, send a mail with the translation to the ltsp-developers mailing list.
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| 06:40 | <alkisg> !forget ldm-po
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| 06:40 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 06:40 | <alkisg> !ldm-dualhead
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| 06:40 | <ltsp> ldm-dualhead: see: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/693151
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| 06:40 | <alkisg> !forget ldm-dualhead
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| 06:40 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 06:40 | <alkisg> !LDM_SESSION
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| 06:40 | <ltsp> LDM_SESSION: to specify a default session for clients, run ls /usr/share/xsessions , see the filename.desktop that you're interested in, and then put LDM_SESSION="filename". For example, LDM_SESSION="gnome-fallback" or LDM_SESSION="ubuntu".
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| 06:40 | <alkisg> !learn ldm as LDM is the LTSP Display Manager, required for LTSP thin/fat clients, because it authenticates the users to the server via SSH.
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| 06:40 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 06:41 | <alkisg> !learn LTSP as LTSP is the Linux Terminal Server Project, the open source thin/fat client solution. You can find it at http://www.ltsp.org
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| 06:41 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 07:18 | <atulmodi> i have installed LTSP but thinpc are not getting the screen (greeter) what can be issue. I have followed all steps they have explained
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| 07:18 | can someone help me with this
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| 07:19 | <alkisg> Hi atulmodi
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| 07:19 | Which distro/version are you using?
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| 07:19 | <atulmodi> ubuntu 16.04
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| 07:19 | <alkisg> which steps have you followed, some tutorial?
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| 07:19 | <atulmodi> http://www.havetheknowhow.com/Configure-the-server/Install-LTSP.html
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| 07:20 | http://www.havetheknowhow.com/Configure-the-server/Configure-LTSP.html
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| 07:20 | <alkisg> How much RAM do your clients have?
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| 07:21 | <atulmodi> 512 MB
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| 07:21 | <alkisg> And what cpu? E.g. pentium 4, at how many GHz?
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| 07:21 | <atulmodi> that don't know, I will find out, but those are getting used right now with Ubuntu 10.04 server and its working fine there
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| 07:22 | now we have bought new server so we are installing new OS
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| 07:22 | <alkisg> I was asking in order to propose thin or fat client mode to you
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| 07:22 | !ltsp-pnp
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| 07:22 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 07:22 | <alkisg> This is the best tutorial on how to install ltsp
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| 07:22 | (if you want to start from the beginning)
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| 07:23 | If you want to troubleshoot the installation you made... what is the last message that you see when the clients boot?
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| 07:24 | <atulmodi> how to check that clients boot
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| 07:24 | please tell me
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| 07:24 | <alkisg> With your eyes
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| 07:24 | Check the client and see what message it says
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| 07:24 | Then write it here so that we see how far it goes
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| 07:25 | Here is one example: https://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/img/19873-2lg.jpg
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| 07:25 | Do you see the client loading the kernel? initrd? etc
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| 07:26 | <atulmodi> so which log file to check, that's what I was asking, can you tell that
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| 07:26 | On the thinpc blank screen is coming,
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| 07:27 | <alkisg> Before the blank screen, what does the pc show
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| 07:27 | <atulmodi> ok give me a min.
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| 07:27 | <alkisg> On the server, one file to check is /var/log/syslog, but we want the client screen more than the server logs
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| 07:29 | <atulmodi> but client computer are not possible
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| 07:29 | this file /var/log/syslog, i can get yuo
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| 07:30 | <alkisg> it's not possible to see the client screen, and what messages it shows before going blank?
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| 07:30 | Why is it not possible?
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| 07:30 | <atulmodi> root@hostserver:~# tail -f /var/log/syslog May 29 12:59:32 hostserver dhcpd[1546]: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.5.88 via em1 May 29 12:59:32 hostserver dhcpd[1546]: DHCPACK to 192.168.5.88 (00:24:8c:a6:ea:dc) via em1 May 29 12:59:42 hostserver dhcpd[1546]: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.5.61 via em1 May 29 12:59:42 hostserver dhcpd[1546]: DHCPACK to 192.168.5.61 (00:1e:8c:c6:22:2a) via em1 May 29 13:00:10 hostserver dhcpd[1546]: DHCPINFORM from 19
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| 07:31 | <alkisg> !pastebin
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| 07:31 | <ltsp> pastebin: try !paste
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| 07:31 | <alkisg> !paste
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| 07:31 | <ltsp> paste: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 07:31 | <alkisg> Use pastebin to put syslog
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| 07:31 | <atulmodi> !paste
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| 07:31 | <ltsp> paste: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 07:32 | <atulmodi> <script src="https://pastebin.com/embed_js/Q0N8T4yX"></script>
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| 07:33 | <alkisg> OK so this shows the client got an IP
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| 07:33 | Nothing more
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| 07:33 | <atulmodi> We have 256 mb RAM
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| 07:33 | <alkisg> Now you need to show the client screen messages
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| 07:33 | <atulmodi> for client
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| 07:34 | ok in couple of min. i get
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| 07:34 | that screen appears for 1 sec. how to capture that
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| 07:35 | i am talking about thinpc
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| 07:35 | <alkisg> !quiet
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| 07:35 | <ltsp> quiet: to enable the Debian kernel and initramfs to show up more messages, in order to better troubleshoot the boot process, remove "quiet" from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 07:35 | <alkisg> !quiet-splash
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| 07:35 | <ltsp> quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
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| 07:35 | <alkisg> Remove "quiet splash" in that file
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| 07:35 | And reboot the client
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| 07:40 | <atulmodi> I don't find this in the file u explained
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| 07:41 | <alkisg> On the server, run: ls -l /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/*/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 07:41 | What is the output?
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| 07:42 | <atulmodi> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 May 24 14:19 /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default -> ltsp
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| 07:44 | <alkisg> See, so that's the file you were looking
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| 07:44 | You need to open it and remove "quiet splash" from there
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| 07:44 | <atulmodi> ya in that the thing which you told I couldn't find
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| 07:44 | can I past that data here
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| 07:45 | <alkisg> In pastebin, yes
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| 07:47 | <atulmodi> <script src="https://pastebin.com/embed_js/tKdm7Wpy"></script>
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| 07:48 | did you got this file Sir
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| 07:48 | <alkisg> Yes; it appears that you already removed "quiet splash", maybe your tutorial did that
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| 07:49 | Do you have another client to test with?
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| 07:49 | <atulmodi> ya we have 10+ clients
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| 07:49 | i told them to get me 1 picture via mobile
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| 07:49 | but they are unable to capture picture of screen due to speed at which it goes away
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| 07:49 | <alkisg> I mean a client with completely different hardware
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| 07:50 | For example, a new laptop
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| 07:50 | Or a desktop pc
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| 07:50 | Because those might show the messages without them going away
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| 07:51 | <atulmodi> No we don't have that
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| 07:51 | is there any other method to identify
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| 07:51 | <alkisg> You can use virtual clients, for example
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| 07:51 | !kvm
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| 07:51 | <ltsp> kvm: Virtual thin client: kvm -m 256 -vga vmware -ctrl-grab -no-shutdown -net nic,model=virtio -net user,tftp=/var/lib/tftpboot,bootfile=/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 07:51 | <atulmodi> right now i am doing following steps from this link >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 07:51 | <alkisg> Are you following the steps on the existing installation, or on a new installation?
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| 07:52 | <atulmodi> till this min. i was following existing installation
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| 07:52 | <alkisg> Because if you already have a broken installation, the ltsp-pnp guide won't fix it
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| 07:52 | <atulmodi> when i am writing this side by side i am installing it again
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| 07:52 | over the old one
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| 07:53 | <alkisg> So if you have installed isc-dhcp-server there, how will dnsmasq work?
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| 07:53 | You can't have 2 dhcp servers
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| 07:53 | Don't use the new guide over the old installation, it won't work
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| 07:53 | <atulmodi> ohh
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| 07:53 | <alkisg> You would need to clean the old installation, or do a new one
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| 07:54 | <atulmodi> I will do as per your steps
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| 07:54 | if possible
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| 07:54 | if that works
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| 07:54 | i have to reboot the server because this command didn't worked >> ltsp-config dnsmasq
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| 07:56 | So what should i do
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| 07:56 | <alkisg> I sent you a personal message, did you see it?
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| 07:56 | here in irc
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| 07:57 | <atulmodi> No Sir
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| 07:57 | yes
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| 07:57 | yes
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| 07:57 | <alkisg> OK
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| 07:58 | <atulmodi> ok got it, but can you please help me with existing one
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| 16:15 | <raphr> hi ! with ltsp pnp I am using LDM_AUTOLOGIN=true and same username/password on several clients. Is there a way to have this user local (from the chroot) instead of ssh mounted ?
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| 17:15 | <alkisg> raphr: do you want to use a local home dir, that would be lost on reboot?
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| 17:17 | <raphr> yes. non persistent settings is well suited for my needs
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| 17:17 | <alkisg> raphr: do you think the RAM is enough for that, or would you need temporary storage from the server?
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| 17:17 | E.g. suppose a user just surfs for a few hours, and his .cache folder grows a lot
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| 17:18 | Or downloads a few files or works on a few new files
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| 17:19 | <raphr> it just lanch a remote desktop session vmware horizon view client with minimal openbox windows manager
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| 17:19 | <alkisg> OK
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| 17:19 | So, one way is this
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| 17:19 | Create a user on the server, let's call it ltsp
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| 17:20 | And put RCFILE_01="mkdir -p /home/ltsp; chown 1234:1234 /home/ltsp" to lts.conf
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| 17:21 | That way the authentication for the user will still happen on the server, but the content will be local\
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| 17:21 | Because the ltsp scripts will see that the /home/ltsp dir exists, so they won't try to sshfs mount it from the server
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| 17:21 | <raphr> great
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| 17:23 | but this user has got some files in the profile
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| 17:24 | .config and some home scripts
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| 17:25 | maybe put this in a tar and untar isttead of mkdir ?
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| 17:25 | <alkisg> No
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| 17:25 | Create an ltsp user on the server\
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| 17:25 | Populate/use it normally
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| 17:26 | Then put /home/ltsp in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.excludes\
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| 17:26 | So that ltsp-pnp won't exclude it, and it will be in the generated image
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| 17:26 | Hrm
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| 17:26 | Better yet, you could serve it with nbd
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| 17:27 | i.e. instead of using tar, to create an .ext4 image of /home/ltsp, and use nbd-server to mount it to client /home
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| 17:27 | This also gives writing space if you serve it with copy-on-write mode of nbd-server
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| 17:27 | Anyway, 3 options, do whichever is easier for you
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| 17:27 | The best one is nbd-based
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| 17:27 | <raphr> OK thank you !
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| 17:28 | <alkisg> It also allows to easily update the home/ltsp without reupdating the ltsp image
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| 17:29 | <raphr> you're right. I'll try nbd option. nbd mounting is lts.conf parameter ?
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| 17:30 | <alkisg> No, you'll need an RCFILE for that, or better yet an ldm login script, so that it's cleared on every login
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| 17:30 | So that if the user logs out and in again, the previous user data is cleared
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| 17:30 | (and it also allows fetching new /home/ltsp image from the server without even client reboot)
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| 17:32 | <raphr> brillant. Not sure if i'll succed but I'll try.
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| 17:32 | Thank you
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| 17:32 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 20:22 | <alkisg> !cheap-client
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| 20:22 | <ltsp> cheap-client: (#1) http://www.gearbest.com/tv-box-mini-pc/pp_343636.html, or (#2) https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/New-arrival-Beelink-Pocket-Z83-Windows-10-Mini-PC-Z8300-64bit-1-84GHz-2GB-RAM-32GB/1871240_32640039781.html
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| 20:44 | <quinox> that *is* cheap
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| 20:46 | I recently bought an Intel NUC, while not this cheap it's also pretty cheap
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| 20:46 | works like a charm
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| 20:59 | (not specifically as LTSP client)
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| 21:00 | a Raspberry Pi Zero W costs $10... amazing times
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