IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 13 January 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:24 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: could we add ntpdate to our chroot depedencies for HH?
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| 09:31 | <warren> Does both Debian and Ubuntu use /var/lib/tftpboot?
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| 09:36 | <warren> tux_440volt, hey
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| 09:37 | tux_440volt, we're working on LTSP5 integration now
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| 09:37 | <tux_440volt> warren heya
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| 09:37 | <warren> tux_440volt, do you have an Edubuntu install?
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| 09:37 | tux_440volt, I'm trying to compare stuff
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| 09:38 | <tux_440volt> warren: no .. i just tried a ubuntu install
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| 09:38 | <warren> tux_440volt, for example do they use /var/lib/tftpboot?
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| 09:38 | instead of /tftpboot
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| 09:38 | <tux_440volt> warren: ok ...
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| 09:42 | warren: how far it has been done ? i was also reying to patch up certain things
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| 09:42 | s/reying/trying
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| 09:44 | <warren> tux_440volt, we're currently trying to write a spec file based upon current ltsp-trunk
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| 09:44 | tux_440volt, and integrating fedora stuff into ltsp-trunk
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| 09:45 | <tux_440volt> warren: ok .. is the spec file availble somewhere ?
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| 09:45 | <warren> tux_440volt, not very far yet
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| 09:46 | <tux_440volt> ok
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| 09:49 | <warren> tux_440volt, it would be helpful if you could write a list of changes needed into the wiki
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| 09:49 | tux_440volt, what is your name btw?
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| 09:49 | <tux_440volt> ok .. sure i will
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| 09:50 | subhodip biswas
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| 09:50 | <warren> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/K12Linux/Something
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| 09:50 | tux_440volt, create your own page there for raw notes, just list changes needed
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| 09:50 | <tux_440volt> ok ..
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| 09:54 | <warren> qemu-kvm -hda /dev/null -boot n -m 256 -net nic -net tap,/etc/qemu-ifup -full-screen
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| 09:54 | #!/bin/sh
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| 09:54 | export PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:$PATH
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| 09:54 | switch=virbr0
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| 09:54 | ifconfig $1 0.0.0.0 up
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| 09:54 | brctl addif ${switch} $1
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| 10:08 | <tux_440volt> warren: ?
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| 10:08 | <warren> tux_440volt, showing eharrison how to use libvirt to run a virtual machine as a thin client
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| 10:09 | tux_440volt, test LTSP without plugging into anything!
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| 10:09 | <jammcq> g'morning warren
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| 10:09 | <warren> tux_440volt, I'll document it on the wiki after we have the RPMS working
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| 10:09 | jammcq, hello
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| 10:09 | <tux_440volt> warren: ok
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| 10:09 | <jammcq> you guys having fun at Fudcon ?
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| 10:09 | <warren> jammcq, something like that
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| 10:11 | <warren> tibbs, ftp://ftp.lnxi.com/pub/mkelfImage
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| 10:11 | <tux_440volt> warren: i will notify you as soon as i finish writing the changes
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| 10:16 | <eharrison> hey jammcq
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| 10:16 | <jammcq> hey eric
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| 10:24 | <warren> tibbs, http://people.redhat.com/wtogami/temp/mkelfimage_2.7-4ubuntu1.diff.gz
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| 10:43 | <ryudo19> johnny :D
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| 10:43 | i fix my probleman wich local devices dont work after reboot
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| 10:51 | <Drakeweb> looking for some help with thin client sound problem. the sound is emitted from the server's speakers!
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| 11:06 | <ryudo19> try read this tutorials
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| 11:06 | http://blog.paulbetts.org/index.php/2007/04/15/pulseaudio-in-ubuntu-feisty-play-sound-over-the-network/
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| 11:07 | http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Feisty/HOWTO:_PulseAudio
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| 11:07 | drakeweb
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| 11:13 | <Drakeweb> thanks for the tutorial - it makes no reference to sound on thin clients, however - just networks.
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| 11:14 | ogra mentioned that pulse was correctly utilised on LTSP5 and that it should all work seamlessly, but not in my case
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| 11:21 | <tibbs> warren: http://www.math.uh.edu/~tibbs/rpms/mkelfimage/
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| 12:18 | <mathesis> hola vagrantc
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| 12:19 | <vagrantc> hi
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| 12:19 | <mathesis> i am install ltsp 5 at lab School Computer!!!
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| 12:20 | <PerfDave> Well done mathesis :)
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| 12:21 | <mathesis> i am en process now
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| 12:21 | i am working wthin installl now
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| 12:21 | s/wthin/with
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| 12:22 | s/installl/installation
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| 12:23 | PerfDave: where are you from?
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| 12:23 | <vagrantc> mathesis: good to hear :)
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| 12:24 | <mathesis> i now running "ltspbuild"
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| 12:24 | <PerfDave> mathesis: I'm in the UK
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| 12:27 | <vagrantc> mathesis: ltsp-build-client ?
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| 12:54 | <mathesis> i f i no have asound.conf in /etc/ i can create its archive?
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| 12:57 | <warren> ogra, you there?
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| 12:57 | ls client/initscripts/
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| 12:57 | ltsp-core ltsp-setup ltsp-setup.default
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| 12:57 | what is the difference between these files?
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| 13:01 | <npman_> is there anybody out there with experience adding drivers to LTSP?
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| 13:06 | <warren> eharrison, bzr pull bzr://bzr.fedorahosted.org/bzr/k12ltsp/ltsp-fedora
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| 13:15 | eharrison, http://fedorapeople.org/~wtogami/temp/mkdst-release/
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| 13:22 | <Q-FUNK> warren: hi!
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| 13:22 | <warren> Q-FUNK, hi, still traveling...
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| 13:22 | <Q-FUNK> warren: are you back at the office now?
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| 13:22 | ah
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| 13:22 | <warren> Q-FUNK, we're at FUDCon trying to integrate the LTSP bits now
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| 13:22 | <Q-FUNK> oh! lovely!
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| 13:23 | do you have access to any Geode-based hardware? several patches were submitted over the last few days that need to be tested.
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| 13:23 | <warren> no
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| 13:23 | I will be back at home Thursday night
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| 13:23 | sorry
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| 13:38 | <mathesis> !ltspbot configute client ltsp 5
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| 13:38 | <ltspbot> mathesis: Error: "ltspbot" is not a valid command.
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| 13:38 | <mathesis> !ltspob clients
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| 13:38 | <ltspbot> mathesis: Error: "ltspob" is not a valid command.
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| 13:38 | <mathesis> !ltspbot configure thingsclient
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| 13:38 | <ltspbot> mathesis: Error: "ltspbot" is not a valid command.
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| 13:43 | <mathesis> !ltspbot boot with iso
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| 13:43 | <ltspbot> mathesis: Error: "ltspbot" is not a valid command.
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| 13:44 | <mathesis> !ltsbot boot cdrom
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| 13:44 | <ltspbot> mathesis: Error: "ltsbot" is not a valid command.
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| 13:44 | <mathesis> !ltspbot boot
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| 13:44 | <ltspbot> mathesis: Error: "ltspbot" is not a valid command.
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| 13:44 | <mathesis> !ltspboot help
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| 13:44 | <ltspbot> mathesis: Error: "ltspboot" is not a valid command.
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| 13:45 | <mathesis> ltspbot boot
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| 13:45 | <ltspbot> mathesis: Error: "boot" is not a valid command.
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| 13:45 | <mathesis> !ltspbot boot
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| 13:45 | <ltspbot> mathesis: Error: "ltspbot" is not a valid command.
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| 13:45 | <jammcq> mathesis: just put the '!' in front of the word you want
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| 13:45 | !boot
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| 13:45 | <ltspbot> jammcq: Error: "boot" is not a valid command.
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| 13:45 | <jammcq> heh
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| 13:46 | <mathesis> !boot cd
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| 13:46 | <ltspbot> mathesis: Error: "boot" is not a valid command.
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| 13:46 | <mathesis> jammcq: how can i use ltspbot?
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| 13:46 | <jammcq> don't use the word 'ltspbot'
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| 13:46 | !seen mathesis
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| 13:46 | <ltspbot> jammcq: mathesis was last seen in #ltsp 14 seconds ago: <mathesis> jammcq: how can i use ltspbot?
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| 13:46 | <jammcq> !help
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| 13:46 | <ltspbot> jammcq: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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| 13:47 | <jammcq> !grayscreen
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| 13:47 | <ltspbot> jammcq: Error: "grayscreen" is not a valid command.
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| 13:47 | <jammcq> !greyscreen
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| 13:47 | <ltspbot> jammcq: "greyscreen" is No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen
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| 13:47 | <mathesis> !cdrom
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| 13:47 | <ltspbot> mathesis: Error: "cdrom" is not a valid command.
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| 13:47 | <mathesis> !etherboot
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| 13:47 | <ltspbot> mathesis: Error: "etherboot" is not a valid command.
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| 13:47 | <jammcq> ltspbot doesn't know everything
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| 13:47 | <ltspbot> jammcq: Error: "doesn't" is not a valid command.
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| 13:48 | <mathesis> !help
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| 13:48 | <ltspbot> mathesis: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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| 13:48 | <mathesis> jammcq: how can boot clients with cdrom?
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| 13:49 | <jammcq> umm, I think there's info on the wiki
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| 13:49 | http://wiki.ltsp.org
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| 13:51 | <edgarin> jammcq: hi! :-D
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| 13:55 | <mathesis> jammcq: check its line at inetd.conf
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| 13:55 | #<off># tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /srv/tftp
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| 13:56 | <slipttees> yo, everyone can help ?
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| 13:56 | i need universe rom .zdsk file
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| 13:56 | where i can find ?
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| 13:57 | <jammcq> slipttees: good question for the #etherboot channel
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| 13:57 | <slipttees> jammcq: big man :-) you're ok with you ?
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| 13:57 | thx!
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| 13:59 | <mathesis> slipttees: i need universal boot in cdrom
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| 13:59 | <slipttees> mathesis: send it for me :-)
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| 13:59 | carlosrenejr@gmail.com
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| 13:59 | ;-)
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| 13:59 | ops
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| 14:00 | cdrom ?
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| 14:00 | <mathesis> i don't have universal room!!!
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| 14:00 | <slipttees> huh :-(
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| 14:00 | ok man
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| 14:00 | thx
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| 14:00 | <mathesis> i am searching universal room in *.iso!!!
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| 14:01 | eureka eureka
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| 14:01 | xDD
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| 14:03 | <slipttees> mathesis: ?
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| 14:03 | <mathesis> in the web wiki.ltsp.org
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| 14:03 | <slipttees> ;-)
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| 14:03 | <mathesis> http://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?group_id=80408&use_mirror=superb-east&filename=network_boot_floppy%2Bcd%2Bhd_540.zip&65671053
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| 14:03 | ahi esta men :D
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| 14:03 | speak spanish?
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| 14:04 | <slipttees> nope only english,portuquese and italian
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| 14:04 | ;-)
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| 14:05 | mathesis: .room .zdsk for floppy ??
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| 14:06 | <mathesis> floppy,hdd,cdrom
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| 14:06 | <slipttees> humm
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| 14:06 | ok
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| 14:06 | <mathesis> Universal network boot floppy/cd/hd Notes (2005-04-05 01:43)
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| 14:07 | <mathesis> network_boot_floppy+cd+hd_540.zip
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| 14:08 | <slipttees> mathesis: fu**hell man thx so much :D
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| 14:08 | work fully :D
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| 14:09 | <mathesis> you have ltsp 5?
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| 14:09 | <slipttees> nope ltsp 4.2 and dapper drake
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| 14:10 | mathesis: this dd of=xccc if=/dev/fd0 or this cat fd...... > /dev/fd0
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| 14:10 | <mathesis> readme
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| 14:10 | you need readme txt
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| 14:11 | <slipttees> ok
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| 14:11 | mathesis: you file is 24K ?
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| 14:11 | ops 21 K ?
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| 14:11 | corruped! :-(
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| 14:12 | <mathesis> you need boot floppy?
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| 14:12 | download BootDisk522b.zip
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| 14:13 | <slipttees> yes ok
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| 14:56 | <cliebow> anyone?? have i been rooted at Surry?? after just two days??
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| 14:56 | cat: /root/install.log: Input/output error
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| 14:57 | reboot:input/output error
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| 14:59 | on a stock ubuntu install..
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| 15:10 | <cliebow> hi Eric!!!!!!!!!!
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| 15:10 | Balls!
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| 15:42 | <mathesis> !lts.conf
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| 15:42 | <ltspbot> mathesis: "lts.conf" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf
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| 15:43 | <Q-FUNK> ouch
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| 15:44 | <mathesis> dhcpd.conf
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| 15:44 | !dhcpd.conf
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| 15:44 | <ltspbot> mathesis: Error: "dhcpd.conf" is not a valid command.
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| 15:45 | <mathesis> !dhcp3-server
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| 15:45 | <ltspbot> mathesis: Error: "dhcp3-server" is not a valid command.
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| 15:45 | <mathesis> !dhcp
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| 15:45 | <ltspbot> mathesis: Error: "dhcp" is not a valid command.
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| 18:10 | <oblek> hi, what files should I modify to add "noexec" mount option on remote usb stick/flashdisk?
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| 18:11 | I try to limit user executables they bring on their USB stick
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| 20:56 | <vagrantc> mathesis:
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| 20:56 | !bootfloppy
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| 20:56 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
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| 20:57 | <vagrantc> or: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/ebmulti.iso
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| 22:21 | <oblek> on my second try, I add '-o noexec' on /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter on line 13
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| 22:21 | <vagrantc> warren: finally, someone else committing on these branches :)
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| 22:21 | <oblek> but it doesn't work
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| 22:21 | <warren> vagrantc, I just posted some questions to ltsp-developer
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| 22:22 | vagrantc, for example, can we eliminate use of the tempfile command?
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| 22:22 | vagrantc, mktemp is just as capable these days
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| 22:22 | <vagrantc> warren: where's tempfile used?
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| 22:23 | <warren> vagrantc, just grep ltsp-trunk, 4 uses left
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| 22:23 | vagrantc, eharrison fixed the two server cases
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| 22:24 | vagrantc, I hope the example spec isn't upsetting in each repo. That enables me to cd into a bzr repo and do "./mkdst --testrpm" and instantly pops out test RPMS.
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| 22:25 | <vagrantc> warren: in general, it's discouraged to include distro-specific packaging in the source tarball in the debian community
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| 22:25 | <warren> vagrantc, then you shouldn't be shipping pidgin and many GNOME packages, they do ship example spec files there.
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| 22:26 | <vagrantc> warren: discouraged != release-critical
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| 22:26 | <dberkholz> there's a difference between maintaining those files in a repo vs distributing them in releases, too
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| 22:26 | <warren> vagrantc, eric just pointed out that mkdst can simply remove the spec file before tarball creation
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| 22:27 | <vagrantc> warren: that would be nice.
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| 22:27 | <warren> might already do that
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| 22:27 | * warren looks | |
| 22:27 | <vagrantc> then everybody's happy
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| 22:27 | well, at least, i'm fine with that
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| 22:27 | <warren> vagrantc, oh no, can't do that.
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| 22:28 | <vagrantc> would it interfere with another distro that used .spec files ?
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| 22:28 | <warren> vagrantc, seriously, is this really a big compromise to get the other major distro onboard? this really makes it WAY easier for me to develop and test rapidly.
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| 22:28 | <johnny> i either want a spec and a deb.. or neither
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| 22:28 | err debian/
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| 22:29 | <warren> vagrantc, not really, nothing forces anybody to use that spec file
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| 22:29 | <vagrantc> warren: i'm not strongly opinionated on it, i am just voicing that others will be unhappy about it
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| 22:29 | <johnny> it's not fair to have just the spec
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| 22:29 | <warren> johnny, talk is cheap
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| 22:29 | <johnny> i haven't used an rpm based distro in 5 years
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| 22:29 | <vagrantc> we don't *want* it in there for debian
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| 22:30 | <warren> vagrantc, it doesn't get installed onto a system
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| 22:30 | <vagrantc> no, i mean we don't *want* the debian dir in the source tarball
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| 22:30 | <warren> that was your choice
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| 22:30 | <vagrantc> i was more referring to johnny's comments
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| 22:30 | <warren> I *do* want this example spec in there
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| 22:30 | this example spec makes it WAY easier for us to rapidly develop it
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| 22:31 | I'd be happy to work with other RPM distros to keep the example spec more distro neutral
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| 22:31 | <vagrantc> warren: you don't have to convince *me*. i'm not strongly opinionated on the matter.
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| 22:31 | <warren> oh, ok.
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| 22:31 | <vagrantc> warren: ogra may have some objection, and i think otavio does as well.
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| 22:32 | in general, there are reasons it's discouraged that i've heard and agree with, but cannot really argue saliently.
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| 22:32 | <warren> Many other upstream tarballs containa spec file
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| 22:32 | <vagrantc> nor do i really want to put much energy into it
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| 22:32 | <warren> does that bother debian's packaging?
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| 22:32 | I'm almost to a point that it is either in there or we wont participate.
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| 22:33 | It would really slow us down to not have it.
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| 22:33 | <vagrantc> like i said, no need to convince me.
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| 22:33 | <warren> ok, the no need to argue. =)
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| 22:33 | vagrantc, so many other parts of ltsp-trunk, I have some deep concerns...
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| 22:33 | * vagrantc thinks it's *ridiculous* to threaten non-participation | |
| 22:34 | <warren> vagrantc, ogra threatened similarly with other things
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| 22:34 | <vagrantc> at least over that
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| 22:34 | * vagrantc would rather not be in a threat culture | |
| 22:34 | <warren> OK, it wasn't necessary of me to mention that.
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| 22:34 | <johnny> vagrantc, i know the debian developers who work with monotone really like having debian/ in the src :)
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| 22:34 | <vagrantc> i'm far more interested in cooperation and collaboration
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| 22:34 | <warren> OK, next topic then.
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| 22:35 | * vagrantc checks for the emails to ltsp-developer | |
| 22:35 | <warren> vagrantc, some of the other scripts in ltsp-trunk we're not entirely sure we will be able to use at all.
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| 22:35 | vagrantc, configure-x.sh for example...
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| 22:35 | * vagrantc notes that ogra has said some things vagrantc thinks are ridiculous in the past, too | |
| 22:36 | <warren> vagrantc, some of the common/ plugins might not be common at all.
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| 22:36 | <vagrantc> warren: configure-x.sh mostly relies on X.org's self-configuration, which made great leaps and bounds in 7.2+
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| 22:36 | <warren> vagrantc, or at least I don't understand why they are doing what they do.
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| 22:36 | <vagrantc> warren: could you be more specific?
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| 22:37 | warren: i.e. which ones?
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| 22:37 | <warren> why 010-mount-proc?
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| 22:37 | <johnny> hey warren question
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| 22:37 | <warren> ?
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| 22:37 | <johnny> do you have a ~/.redhat ?
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| 22:38 | and if so, do you know what it contains?
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| 22:38 | or if not even
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| 22:38 | <warren> johnny, no. And never heard of it.
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| 22:38 | johnny, why?
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| 22:38 | <johnny> well i don't really contribute to ltsp directly, but i am working on the sabayon user profile tool, and this guy dan walsh submitted a patch to ignore it
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| 22:38 | <vagrantc> warren: the proc mounting was needed at some point during the install, and some software expects it to be there. i wouldn't object to moving that into the Debian dir if it was really an issue
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| 22:38 | <johnny> and i'm auditing it
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| 22:38 | the ignored files/diretories
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| 22:39 | <warren> johnny, it might be a RHEL thing, I don't have RHEL here.
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| 22:39 | <johnny> aha
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| 22:39 | ok..
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| 22:39 | there's also a patch for selinux as well
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| 22:39 | bt it seems to have a bug for non SELinux distros
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| 22:39 | <warren> vagrantc, after-install)
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| 22:39 | chroot_mount proc /proc "-t proc"
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| 22:39 | <johnny> looking into that
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| 22:39 | <warren> vagrantc, after-install means what?
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| 22:40 | vagrantc, I might need a little more explanation as to how this plugin system works
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| 22:40 | vagrantc, how does it decide to use Debian vs Ubuntu directories for example?
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| 22:40 | <vagrantc> warren: ah, ok ... actua;lly, it wasn't used during the install
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| 22:40 | warren: server/doc/plugins ?
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| 22:40 | <johnny> asking them.. thanks warren
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| 22:41 | <warren> vagrantc, /proc mounted after install of the chroot, isn't there risk of nfs clients seeing the contents of server's proc?
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| 22:41 | vagrantc, plus inconsistent behavior because it would no longer be mounted after a reboot
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| 22:41 | johnny, I have little to do with that part, you need to ask the people involved.
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| 22:41 | <vagrantc> warren: nfs usually doesn't export additional filesystem
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| 22:41 | <warren> johnny, we have hundreds of engineers plus a few hundred more volunteers. I can't possibly know all of this. =)
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| 22:42 | vagrantc, how does it distinguish "additional"?
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| 22:42 | <vagrantc> warren: it doesn't traverse mountpoints
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| 22:42 | <warren> vagrantc, oh, I see.
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| 22:42 | <vagrantc> warren: at least, i've never seen it in the default configuration in debian or ubuntu
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| 22:43 | warren: and since it's only done during install time, clients wouldn't work anyways.
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| 22:43 | so that should be a non-issue
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| 22:43 | * vagrantc waves to dberkholz | |
| 22:43 | <warren> vagrantc, ok, then this other behavior that I saw must have been a bug
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| 22:44 | (selinux denied something, we thought it was due to server's /proc exported over network, but it actually must be something else.)
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| 22:44 | <vagrantc> warren: unless fedora's defaults are different
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| 22:44 | and it does cross mountpoints
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| 22:44 | <warren> I think you're right about that.
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| 22:44 | It isn't supposed to.
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| 22:45 | <vagrantc> warren: any other questions?
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| 22:45 | <warren> vagrantc, ok, I need to look more closely at the code again
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| 22:45 | vagrantc, yes
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| 22:45 | vagrantc, your run_parts hack, that works fine on Debian/Ubuntu as well right?
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| 22:45 | vagrantc, might as well make that upstream?
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| 22:46 | vagrantc, ugly yes, but works more universally.
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| 22:47 | <vagrantc> warren: well, i'd make an improved hack, but sure.
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| 22:47 | <warren> vagrantc, ok
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| 22:48 | <warren> vagrantc, ok... so if a file in plugins/Distroname duplicates a filename in plugins/common/ then it overrides the common/ version?
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| 22:48 | <vagrantc> warren: run-parts sanitizes the directories, so only certain things are treated as valid
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| 22:48 | warren: correct ...
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| 22:48 | <warren> vagrantc, should I create a Fedora directory at that level?
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| 22:49 | <vagrantc> warren: yes.
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| 22:49 | <warren> k
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| 22:49 | <vagrantc> warren: well, it should be consistant with lsb_release output
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| 22:49 | <warren> vagrantc, what part makes it use the Fedora directory?
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| 22:50 | <vagrantc> warren: code at the top of ltsp-build-client ... PLUGIN_DIRS
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| 22:50 | <warren> oh, ok
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| 22:50 | vagrantc, on Debian do you install the plugins/Ubuntu directory?
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| 22:50 | vagrantc, (I'm thinking how we will handle Fedora vs. RHEL)
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| 22:52 | <vagrantc> warren: yes, currently both Debian and Ubuntu install each other's plugins ... and there's some symlinking action going on, i'm sure you've noticed
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| 22:53 | <warren> vagrantc, would you be against moving to choosing the lsb_release -i directory name at *install* time not runtime?
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| 22:53 | <vagrantc> warren: i had at one point suggested a DISTRO-common directory between common and DISTRO ... but ogra rejected saying it was already complicated enough
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| 22:54 | <warren> vagrantc, this will be a problem for us in the future because lsb_release -i will return different strings with our redistributors
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| 22:54 | <vagrantc> warren: if it could be done elegantly.
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| 22:54 | <warren> vagrantc, RHEL, CentOS, Oracle, etc.
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| 22:54 | <vagrantc> warren: well, that's why i proposed a DISTRO-base dir ...
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| 22:55 | at one point i worked on code that handled the symlinks and such
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| 22:55 | <warren> vagrantc, I'd like for our binary RPM payload to contain only our desired plugins, and not depend upon lsb_release -i at runtime.
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| 22:55 | (Not trying to be difficult here, I'm just foreseeing this as a future problem.)
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| 22:57 | vagrantc, hmm... I'm also seeing this a problem because the plugins would be different from RHEL5 and RHEL6 which I intend on supporting in parallel.
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| 22:58 | vagrantc, all of these problems evaporate if the plugins are set at package build time, not chosen at runtime.
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| 22:59 | <warren> vagrantc, and I will have many common plugins between Fedora and RHEL5/RHEL6, but they will be different
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| 23:02 | vagrantc, talking this over with Eric, we believe due to these future plugin concerns we will hold off on using upstream's ltsp-build-client for now. We already have an entirely separate ltsp-build-client script that works for us. We will use that in the interim in order to get something that WORKS a lot sooner, then work on the more complicated but necessary upstream thereafter.
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| 23:03 | vagrantc, OTOH... maybe we can just put our script into a plugin
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| 23:03 | vagrantc, midnight, very exhausted, we're sleeping on this for now.
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| 23:03 | good night
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| 23:08 | <dberkholz> hi there vagrantc
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| 23:28 | <vagrantc> warren: well, the current Debian plugin infrastructure can actually support multiple releases of debian ... i can build a sid/unstable, lenny/testing or etch/stable ltsp using the same ltsp-build-client plugins
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| 23:28 | warren: you could also implement another layer of plugins
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| 23:28 | warren: that would seem the simplest thing to do
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| 23:30 | so currently we have PLUGIN_DIRS="/etc/ltsp/plugins/$SCRIPT $PLUGINS_BASE/$SCRIPT/$VENDOR-custom $PLUGINS_BASE/$SCRIPT/$VENDOR $PLUGINS_BASE/$SCRIPT/common"
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| 23:30 | could do something like:
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| 23:31 | PLUGIN_DIRS="/etc/ltsp/plugins/$SCRIPT $PLUGINS_BASE/$SCRIPT/$VENDOR-$SUBVENDOR $PLUGINS_BASE/$SCRIPT/$VENDOR-custom $PLUGINS_BASE/$SCRIPT/$VENDOR $PLUGINS_BASE/$SCRIPT/common"
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| 23:31 | or something like that
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| 23:58 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 23:58 | "mount --move" isn't handled properly on etch, making all the cool new ltspfs stuff hard to backport :(
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| 23:59 | well, making the less buggy ltspfs hard to backport
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