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Channel log from 26 April 2016 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:03 | <susan> iam seem moniter ip dcp client connected server
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| 02:22 | <rac> Good morning, I am having problems sharing printers on ubuntu ltsp-pnp 16.04lts. I've printer configuration in lts.conf, in client printer is able to print fine, but how shering printer to another client. if using ubuntu ltsp 12.04lts all clients can automatically print. Can anyone help me ?
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| 02:23 | lts.conf
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| 02:23 | [Mac Address] PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0
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| 04:04 | <rac> help
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| 04:48 | <alkisg> rac: do you have epoptes installed?
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| 06:01 | <rac> yes, I have epoptes
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| 06:01 | <alkisg> rac, ok, run this for me to take a look:
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| 06:02 | !vnc-dide
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| 06:02 | <ltsp`> vnc-dide: To share your screen with me, run this: sudo apt-get --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr - this is a reverse connection, it doesn't need port forwarding etc.
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| 06:13 | <alkisg> rac, never mind, time for me to go, another time maybe.
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| 07:40 | <rac> sorry, was I there are some problems in the office so could not reply to your message. Can we start again?
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| 07:41 | problem with client printer in ltsp-PNP
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| 07:41 | mr alkisg
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| 07:44 | if I print test with browser http: // localhost: 631 / printers / iP2700-series. printer goes well, but if printed with the document "Generic Printer"
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| 07:59 | <rac> mr alkisg : can you help me ?
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| 08:29 | <laro> Hello everyone, here I am again n_n`
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| 08:30 | <alkisg> Hi laro
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| 08:30 | <laro> I finally got fat clients workign with ltsp-pnp
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| 08:30 | thanks to you alkisg :)
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| 08:30 | but they can't access internet
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| 08:30 | <alkisg> Nice!
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| 08:30 | You have a dual nic setup, right?
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| 08:30 | <laro> yes
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| 08:30 | they resolve dns
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| 08:30 | <alkisg> You need a script for natting
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| 08:31 | !nat
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| 08:31 | <ltsp`> nat: To set up NAT in your LTSP server, set its internal IP to 192.168.67.1 and put http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/sch-scripts/trunk/view/head:/debian/sch-scripts.if-up to /etc/network/if-up.d/sch-scripts. This also takes care of flow-control issues, possibly increasing your network speed 10 times. :)
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| 08:31 | <alkisg> Let me do that for you, it only takes 1 minute...
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| 08:31 | !vnc-edide
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| 08:31 | <ltsp`> vnc-edide: To share your screen with me, open Epoptes → Help menu → Remote support → Host: srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr, and click the Connect button
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| 08:31 | <laro> ok
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| 08:32 | hope that vnc works with my proxy
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| 08:32 | <alkisg> Ah no
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| 08:32 | Do the other one
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| 08:32 | !vnc-dide
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| 08:32 | <ltsp`> vnc-dide: To share your screen with me, run this: sudo apt-get --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr - this is a reverse connection, it doesn't need port forwarding etc.
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| 08:32 | <laro> then I need the other one
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| 08:32 | <alkisg> ...and put the -proxy parameter too
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| 08:33 | laro: enter your password for sudo -i there...
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| 08:37 | <alkisg> laro: your clients should be able to access the internet, and your local network should be much faster now
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| 08:39 | <laro> I dont have the gigabit switch yet
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| 08:39 | <alkisg> ...although you'll need gigabit connection from your server to your switch :)
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| 08:39 | <laro> yep
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| 08:39 | what about the proxy ?
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| 08:39 | Do I have to go client by client setting it up?
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| 08:40 | thanks a lot btw, I dont know how could I have done that...
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| 08:40 | <alkisg> From what I saw, the clients have internet just fine
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| 08:40 | <laro> in browser, they get an "application blocked" message
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| 08:40 | <alkisg> I wanted to put that if-up scripts to ltsp-pnp, but vagrantc had objections :)
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| 08:41 | <laro> nevermind
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| 08:41 | well the one I set the proxy up is working fine
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| 08:41 | the other one has that message
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| 08:41 | <alkisg> You can set system-wide settings with mandatory gsettings
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| 08:41 | I think gnome also has a menu for that, doesn't it?
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| 08:41 | <laro> for example? ^_^'
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| 08:42 | <alkisg> Go to the proxy menu and check if it has an "apply system-wide" button there
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| 08:42 | Not in firefox; in gnome
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| 08:42 | <laro> no, it hasn't
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| 08:43 | I can set auto, manual, and scirpt
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| 08:43 | <alkisg> Ah, it's mate. I don't know if it supports it via a dialog, or if you have to do it with mandatory gsettings.
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| 08:43 | It's not related to ltsp, so you can just google about "set proxy for all users gnome"
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| 08:43 | <laro> oh ok
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| 08:44 | gnome and mate is the same?
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| 08:44 | <alkisg> "for all users mate"
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| 08:44 | :)
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| 08:44 | <laro> ok
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| 08:44 | thanks again
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| 08:44 | :**
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| 08:44 | <alkisg> mate is a forked older version of gnome
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| 08:44 | np :)
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| 10:29 | <alkisg> lbssousa: hi, I'm interested in starting to support multiseat in ltsp, could you give me a crash course on which method is best to support?
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| 10:29 | I think the main ones are (1) xephyr based, the one you've sent your patches against xorg, and (2) different gpu per user, which linux, systemd, xorg, lightdm etc support out of the box, right?
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| 10:30 | I'm thinking that (2) will be much easier to support initially, won't it?
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| 15:19 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 15:19 | I'm forging ahead with finishing off my long-planned-for work in libpam-sshauth. Specifically, getting the ssh tunnel set exactly once.
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| 15:49 | <sbalneav> vagrantc:
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| 15:49 | 10:19:55 sbalneav I'm forging ahead with finishing off my long-planned-for work in libpam-sshauth. Specifically, getting the ssh tunnel set exactly once.
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| 15:49 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: ok!
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| 15:50 | sbalneav: i forget where we were at with lightdm-webkit-greeter*
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| 15:51 | <sbalneav> ah, one sec...
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| 15:51 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: maybe only lightdm-webkit2-greeter
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| 15:51 | <sbalneav> right, only that.
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| 15:51 | <vagrantc> not sure if there was anything else, too
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| 15:51 | <sbalneav> He's done some updates
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| 15:51 | Now the theme is included in the base tarball.
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| 15:51 | <maldridge> have either of you had issues where lightdm-webkit-greeter will fail to unload and you get a dead window left after the user has logged in?
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| 15:51 | <sbalneav> No.
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| 15:52 | <maldridge> hmm, maybe one in a hundred logins I'll have a user that gets lightdm stuff left open in thier session
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| 15:52 | <sbalneav> We use lightdm-webkit-greeter in production every day.
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| 15:52 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: ah right, i remember there being a theme that was a git submodule or something
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| 15:52 | <maldridge> same here, I wonder if this is an ubuntu-ism
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| 15:52 | <sbalneav> Which version are you using?
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| 15:53 | <maldridge> best way to check?
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| 15:53 | <sbalneav> How did you install it?
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| 15:53 | From source?
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| 15:53 | <maldridge> no, its whatever's the latest ubuntu package for 14.04
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| 15:53 | <sbalneav> dpkg -l | grep lightdm-webkit-greeter
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| 15:54 | <maldridge> 0.1.2-0ubuntu2
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| 15:54 | <sbalneav> very old, and buggy.
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| 15:54 | <maldridge> ... that is ancient
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| 15:54 | <sbalneav> https://launchpad.net/lightdm-webkit-greeter
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| 15:54 | I've fixed many bugs since then.
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| 15:55 | vagrantc: How much time do we have left to get new packages in the next debian?
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| 15:55 | I'd like to get lightdm-webkit2-greeter and this new version of libpam_sshauth in.
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| 15:55 | <maldridge> sbalneav: I've noticed, on the 2.0 build we're using a different underlying platform which has the new version
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| 15:56 | I shall just hurry up and wait until I get my summer maintenence window
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| 15:56 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: the freeze has been pushed back to early 2017 ... obviously, the sooner the better
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| 15:56 | <sbalneav> ok.
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| 15:57 | <sbalneav> I'll have the new libpam_sshauth going in a week or two. I'm coding now, then I'll be testing.
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| 15:57 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: so the upstream tarball still includes their silly theme?
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| 15:57 | * vagrantc really wishes themes were separate from the code that runs them | |
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| 16:00 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Yes, but now it's not a git submodule.
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| 16:03 | <vagrantc> so it'll actually uidl with just the default git tree :)
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| 16:04 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: is lp:~vagrantc/ltsp/ltsp-pam-examples still the primary source?
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| 16:07 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: that was just a proof-of-concept of your prose descriptions turned into a package :)
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| 16:07 | sbalneav: don't think i've touched it in ages
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| 16:08 | it needed some reworking to work with current libpam-sshauth
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| 16:08 | (or some other breakage)
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| 16:08 | <sbalneav> ok, cool, I'll work from there.
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| 16:10 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i'd really like to figure out a configuration that can be used on the getty that doesn't give passwordless root access if root has no password
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| 16:10 | <sbalneav> is libpam_sshauth doing that?
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| 16:10 | <vagrantc> i don't know what's doing it
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| 16:11 | quite possibly a bad pam configuration, but i don't have an example of a good one for a getty
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| 16:11 | i *think* it also impacted the display manager in the same way ... root GUIs for all!
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| 16:13 | <sbalneav> so, by root having no password, you mean /etc/shadow has root:!:... and not root::....?
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| 16:13 | Or * instead of !
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| 16:14 | <vagrantc> it's been so long since i've tested
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| 16:14 | sbalneav: in your setups, does root typically have a password?
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| 16:14 | <sbalneav> We still run with a root password, yes.
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| 16:14 | But if you want to have no password, you have to put SOMETHING in the field.
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| 16:15 | You can't have it empty.
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| 16:15 | So you have to put X or ! or * or something in the field that's impossible for any of the crypt routines to produce.
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| 16:15 | <vagrantc> right
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| 16:16 | <sbalneav> So if something's letting you log in with something in the field....
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| 16:16 | that would be... bad.
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| 16:16 | <vagrantc> i don't think ltsp-build-client does anything special with regards to passwd.
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| 16:16 | <sbalneav> I'd need to see the common-auth in /etc/pam.d
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| 16:17 | <vagrantc> i know normally you can't login as root on the getty
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| 16:17 | <sbalneav> You shouldn't be able to
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| 16:18 | unless there's a valid password set
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| 16:18 | <vagrantc> root:!*:16913:0:99999:7:::
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| 16:20 | <sbalneav> hm
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| 16:20 | out of curiosity, try changing it to:
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| 16:20 | * vagrantc will try to reproduce it and get back with more details | |
| 16:20 | <sbalneav> root:*:16913.....
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| 16:39 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: ok, so i strongly suspect pam_permit
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| 16:39 | which is obvious ... but i guess my question is why did we need it at all?
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| 16:40 | sbalneav: auth required pam_sshauth.so debug host=server nostrict shm_askpass
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| 16:40 | sbalneav: account required pam_permit.so
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| 16:40 | in /etc/pam.d/login
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| 16:41 | or, is the pam_exec line supposed to prevent from getting to pam_permit
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| 16:56 | sbalneav: with just:
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| 16:57 | auth required pam_sshauth.so debug host=server nostrict shm_askpass
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| 16:57 | session required pam_sshauth.so debug host=server nostrict shm_askpass
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| 16:57 | pamtest doesn't ask a password for root, but does for other users
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| 16:58 | and /etc/shadow: root:!*:16913:0:99999:7:::
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| 16:59 | on the server, /etc/shadow has: root:!:16838:0:99999:7:::
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| 16:59 | that said, without pam_permit, it doesn't actually log in on the console
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| 17:00 | sbalneav: well, if you've got any ideas, be happy to do more testing
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| 18:36 | <bennabiy> Has anyone else had an issue where thin clients do not have a proper window manager after generating image?
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| 18:37 | I am logged directly into the server and I can get on, but through LDM, no panel
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| 18:40 | <vagrantc> what desktop environment are you expecting?
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| 18:40 | !panel
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| 18:40 | <ltsp`> I do not know about 'panel', but I do know about these similar topics: 'gnome-panel', 'reset-panels'
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| 18:57 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: This is 16.04 mate
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| 18:58 | ps shows that everything is running, but nothing shows except a desktop with icons
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| 18:58 | mate-panel is running, marco is running, but nothing displaying
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| 18:58 | This is with a newly generated home folder as well
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| 18:59 | only on the thin clients though, not directly on the server
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| 19:06 | <bennabiy> alkisg: any thoughts on why this would happen?
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| 19:06 | <vagrantc> !reset-panels
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| 19:06 | <ltsp`> reset-panels: To reset Gnome panels, losing all customizations you've made to them: gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel && pkill -u $USER gnome-panel
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| 19:06 | <vagrantc> !gnome-panel
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| 19:06 | <ltsp`> gnome-panel: to completely reset gnome-panels: gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel
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| 19:06 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: that sounds like a similar bug i'd seen with gnome2 (which is basically the same as MATE)
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| 19:06 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: thank you... will that work with mate-panels as well?
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| 19:06 | <vagrantc> not sure
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| 19:07 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: ok
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| 19:07 | <vagrantc> i mostly was aware of other people encountereing it, didn't encounter it myself directly
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| 19:10 | <bennabiy> hrm
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| 19:10 | didn't seem to work
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| 19:11 | <Hyperbyte> I've had the same issue with an x2go session
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| 19:11 | I fixed it by hacking a custom Xsession script that does gnome-session --session=fallback and then manually loads gnome-panel, etc.
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| 19:12 | LTSP clients worked, but not x2go logins.
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| 19:12 | You could investigate session scripts, maybe your LTSP use a different default session than the local logins.
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| 19:13 | Which is very possible, since one uses lightdm's settings and the other ldm's settings.
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| 19:16 | <bennabiy> I tried with default session, and MATE session
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| 19:19 | <bennabiy> I GOT IT!
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| 19:19 | It is a case of the screen thinking it has two monitors (I gforgot to do my LVDS fix)
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| 19:20 | so the panel etc is on the "other" screen
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| 21:05 | <sbalneav> !paste
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| 21:05 | <ltsp`> paste: try !pastebot
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| 21:05 | <sbalneav> !pastebot
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| 21:05 | <ltsp`> pastebot: try !pastebin
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| 21:05 | <sbalneav> !pastebin
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| 21:05 | <ltsp`> pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 21:06 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: http://pastebin.com/WQHZmQ7D
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| 21:07 | So, the next rev of the libpam_sshauth module actually queries the remote server
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| 21:07 | gets the uid and gid of the user.
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| 21:07 | then, in the pam_exec script, it will do the ssh, and setuid the process.
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| 21:08 | So we don't need to write the passwd out to a file like before.
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| 21:08 | Just one tunnel, created once.
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| 21:08 | <vagrantc> that sounds better.
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| 21:08 | * sbalneav so happy | |
| 21:08 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: that python snippet is what's called from pam_exec ?
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| 21:09 | <sbalneav> Yes, it's what will create the tunnel.
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| 21:09 | Here's the cool bit.
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| 21:09 | If you're root, you can STILL USE the tunnel.
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| 21:09 | That's what we were missing before.
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| 21:09 | I'll be working on this the rest of the week.
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| 21:10 | <sbalneav> I haven't synced my changes yet, but that will come once I've tested.
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| 23:00 | <syrius> are there any command-line ltsp tools for querying connected thin clients?
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| 23:00 | enumerating rather..
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| 23:01 | other than parsing 'who' output to associate the username w/ an ip
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