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05:11 | <Enslaver> vagrantc, what would you recommend above the raspi?
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05:24 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: i'm eyeing up the ones from cubieboard.org
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05:27 | <Enslaver> they come with hdmi out?
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05:30 | <vagrantc> HDMI 1080p Output
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07:23 | <dyllan> Hi all. I am trying to change the ldm theme for ltsp, I have found this tut - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LDMThemeChange - its specific to ubuntu 8.04 but i thought id see if the same principles apply, unfortunately its not working. Is there a newer tut I can follow to change the ldm theme for ltsp?
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07:29 | <ltspuser_22> Hi folks. Am currently experiencing problems with logging in to ltsp TC, none of the support threads I have found have helped. Is anyone able to offer advice?
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07:32 | <work_alkisg> ltspuser_22: type /j username to specify a username, and mention more details about the problem... did it work before? what errors do you get? etc
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07:39 | <ltspuser_22> ok. yes, it worked before, but an update was run this morning, and this has broken the installs. The updates complete, but then, at the login screen, it hangs with the timer animation.
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07:46 | <alkisg> ldevel: it hangs before or after you enter the username/password?
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07:47 | <dyllan> not to worry I figured the ldm theme change out - thanks.
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07:48 | <ldevel> alkisg: after - username/password entered, then enter. The screen goes into loading mode, but stays there.
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07:50 | <alkisg> ldevel: check if there's a successful authentication in the server's /var/log/auth.log
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07:58 | <ldevel> alkisg: cannot find the auth.log (ran locate, no return)
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07:58 | <alkisg> $ ls -l /var/log/auth.log
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07:58 | -rw-r----- 1 syslog adm 35380 Απρ 18 10:17 /var/log/auth.log
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07:59 | On the server
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07:59 | Which distribution are you using?
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08:01 | <ldevel> alkisg: server is CentOS 6.4 (TC's mixture of FC11 and K12OS. 'No such file or directory'
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08:02 | <alkisg> Ah ok no idea there
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08:02 | Wait for someone else
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08:02 | <ldevel> alkisg: thanks for your help
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08:06 | <dyllan> Is the greeter.gtkrc file the correct place to modify the default cursor for the ldm theme ?
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08:15 | <vnc786> on Fat client(ubuntu 12.04 64 bit) printing stop in libreoffice. I know it's LO issue but i have already tried asking in libre forum but still didnt got responses and i have tried on locally install ubuntu but not able to reproduce the error or didnt got problem till now any help on this facing issue for last 2 month...any help ??
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08:16 | <meamy> vnc786: so printing works (for example with gedit)?
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08:17 | <vnc786> yes with other documents like pdf, image etc works
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08:19 | <meamy> vnc786: did you see the right printer if you try to print with libre?
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08:20 | vnc786: and did libre maybe run ass a remote app?
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08:20 | <vnc786> meamy: if u would please look at this http://askubuntu.com/questions/280626/printer-setting-changes-to-generic-printer
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08:24 | <vnc786> meamy: i dont know abt remote app but i have tried to modify the source file from where LO takes printer settings with help of this http://askubuntu.com/questions/191524/set-default-printer-settings-libreoffice
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08:25 | <ltspuser_53> Hi, Can anybody help me with with print to the printer installed on client? (Ubuntu 12.04, HP P1102)
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08:26 | <alkisg> vnc786: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1020048
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08:26 | To work around it, you increase the timeout in cups.conf, read the report there
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08:26 | <meamy> vnc786: mm scince a FAT client pretty much acts like a normal ubuntu desktop I dont see the realtion to ltsp, beside that its it could be a network problem (if the CUPS server is not reachable libre will not see him). As fare as i know libre office use the system default printer
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08:27 | <alkisg> The problem is that the cups server (which is remote in fat clients) considers inactive the connections after 5 minutes,
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08:27 | and libreoffice then gets connection errors
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08:27 | The fix will come in a future libreoffice version, they'll support reconnections
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08:27 | The workaround is to increase the timeout in cups
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08:28 | <meamy> alkisg: Oh good to know did not stumble over that problem yet thanks for the info
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08:32 | <dyllan> gents what is the name for the spinning 'wheel' like cursor used in ubuntu ltsp, anybody know?
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08:35 | <meamy> spinning wheel sound good to me :D
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08:38 | <dyllan> ha ha right :P
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12:08 | * lupine notes ltsp has an nbd-proxy module. is this maintained at all? | |
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13:29 | <cliebow> Hey All!
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13:30 | !seen jammcq
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13:30 | <ltsp> jammcq was last seen in #ltsp 23 hours, 40 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <jammcq> sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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13:30 | <cliebow> !seen sbalneav
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13:30 | <ltsp> sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 23 hours, 50 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <sbalneav> Still winter :(
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13:30 | <jammcq> cliebow: HEY
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13:30 | <cliebow> HiHO! Jim!
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13:30 | WHaats new?
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13:31 | <jammcq> umm.... BTS-2013 how about Oct 24-27 ?
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13:31 | <cliebow> Sounds good to me!!~
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13:31 | <jammcq> it's either that or Oct 31-Nov 3
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13:31 | but i'm in favor of the 24th
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13:31 | <cliebow> Hows that fit with UBS?
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13:32 | <jammcq> no more UDS's
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13:32 | <cliebow> Wow..I am way behind
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13:32 | <jammcq> they have gone virtual with the UDS
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13:32 | <cliebow> i m guessing 13.04 is about to come out?
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13:33 | <jammcq> umm, 1 week from today I think
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13:34 | just in time, I finally got 12.04 to behave the way I want it
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13:34 | <cliebow> I am getting "Accountant's Personality"..Boring!.All i do is fix broken screens
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13:34 | heheh
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13:35 | but resurrected an old server running 7.10 and have a little time to experiment
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13:35 | Did you catch Scotty yesterdya?
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13:37 | <jammcq> umm, he was here
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13:38 | <cliebow> alkisg: How goes it?
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13:38 | <alkisg> Hey cliebow, hi guys
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13:38 | <cliebow> !!
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13:38 | <ltsp> !: Are you frustrated?
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13:39 | <cliebow> oops
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14:27 | <dyllan> what are the desktop options for building a fat-client image, id like xubuntu but it doesnt look like its an option?
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14:30 | <dyllan> xubuntu-desktop i think :)
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14:42 | <alkisg> dyllan: distro/version?
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17:15 | <vagrantc> aww.
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17:16 | <sbalneav> jammcq: hey ho!
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17:21 | hows winter trweating you?
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17:34 | <ogra_> what winter ?
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18:26 | <jammcq> ogra_: no winter in germany ?
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18:27 | <ogra_> we went straight to summer mid last week ... from snow to t-shirt weather
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18:27 | <muppis> How come when it's over even here in Finland. :)
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18:27 | <vagrantc> we had a summery week a few weeks back, now it's clearly spring again
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18:28 | <ogra_> yeah, its supposed to get colder the next days again here as well ...
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18:28 | but i could have gotten a tan if wanted this week
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18:44 | <lykwydchykyn> Is there a way to blacklist or un-blacklist drivers on clients from lts.conf?
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18:46 | <vagrantc> no, but could write a hook in init-ltsp.d that might be early enough, if the initramfs doesn't load the module.
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18:46 | <alkisg> And it would be useful upstream, I remember wanting to do that a couple of times...
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18:47 | <lykwydchykyn> I think in my case the problem starts in the initramfs
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18:47 | NIC driver
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18:47 | <vagrantc> that you'll pretty much have to handle manually
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18:48 | <lykwydchykyn> Do I need to do separate boot images?
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18:48 | <alkisg> break=top would help in troubleshooting it
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18:48 | If you manually find what's needed, then we can advice on how to automate it...
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18:48 | <lykwydchykyn> break=top?
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18:49 | <alkisg> !pxelinux.cfg
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18:49 | <ltsp> Error: "pxelinux.cfg" is not a valid command.
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18:49 | <alkisg> ...in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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18:49 | You'll get an initramfs prompt before udev loads drivers
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18:50 | <lykwydchykyn> Ah ok
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18:51 | <alkisg> (you can manually blacklist things there,for testing)
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18:53 | <lykwydchykyn> Well basically I have clients with two different models of realtek nic
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18:53 | They both use r8169 by default, but WOL is broken in r8169
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18:54 | If I install r8168, the one client works fine with WOL, but the other one doesn't work at all (no network, no NBD, no OS)
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18:54 | <alkisg> I think this also works, in pxelinux.cfg/01-mac-address: modulename.disabled=1 => it throws an error with something about "I don't know the option 'disabled'" and it doesn't load it :D
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18:54 | <vagrantc> clever...
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18:54 | <jammcq> sneaky
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18:55 | <lykwydchykyn> That might work...
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18:56 | <alkisg> Ah, I don't know if it'll fall back to the next module though. If it doesn't, and you don't want to mess with the pciid maps, you might want to just have 2 initramfs'es
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19:01 | ogra_: have you tried any nexus 7 phone? I'm thinking of buying LG NEXUS 4 E960 8GB (quad core 1.5 GHz), will Ubuntu on that be as fast as e.g. my 5 year old dual core laptop? With libreoffice, nbd server for ltsp server etc etc? :)
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19:02 | <ogra_> there are no nexus7 phones :)
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19:02 | * alkisg is looking forward to the day when he'll use a mobile phone as a server to demo LTSP in a classroom | |
19:02 | <alkisg> Sorry, nexus 5
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19:02 | 4.7 inch, I think...
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19:02 | <ogra_> but yeah, i have both, a nexus7 tablet and a nexus4 phone
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19:03 | <alkisg> Would it be fast enough for me to vnc to it and use "real" apps on it?
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19:03 | <ogra_> the n4 is an awesome phone .... kicks easily the iphones butt ...but its cheap and you get what you pay for ... the glass case is really really fragile
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19:03 | especially the back
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19:04 | <lykwydchykyn> the modulename.disabled thing didn't do it; not sure if I'm doing it right. If I want to block the r8168 I'd put "r8168.disabled=1" in that file, right?
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19:04 | <ogra_> its a quad core 1.5GHz device with 2G ram ...
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19:05 | so yeah, definitely enough to run LibreOffice and friends
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19:05 | <alkisg> lykwydchykyn: you'd first copy pxelinux.cfg/default to 01-mac-address (lower case, separated with -)
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19:05 | And then change the kernel command line inside that
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19:05 | <ogra_> dont forget that your diskspace is limited and unextendable though
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19:05 | <lykwydchykyn> Ah ok; I had it on a line by itself. Sorry I'm a bit dense today
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19:05 | <ogra_> no SD slot or anything ... and the USB cant run in host mode
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19:06 | <alkisg> Ouch
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19:06 | So only sshfs, nfs etc
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19:06 | <ogra_> right
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19:06 | which size did you order ?
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19:07 | <alkisg> I didn't yet; I'm waiting to see when the hardware is good enough for running an ltsp server on it :D
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19:07 | The one I was looking at was 4.7", 369€
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19:08 | ogra_: is it possible to dual boot android + ubuntu from the same internal storage?
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19:09 | Have e.g. 1 Gb for Android, and 7 for Ubuntu?
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19:10 | <ogra_> probably with hacking, yeah
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19:10 | there are tools for that on the xda forum
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19:11 | though note that ubuntu doesnt really care for such a usecase ... some update might just overwrite your dual boot setup
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19:11 | <alkisg> Ah
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19:11 | <||cw> normally you do android on the internal flash and ubuntu on an sd
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19:13 | <alkisg> The lack of SD slot would make that difficult though... :-/
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19:13 | <||cw> true
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19:13 | missed that
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19:14 | wait, nexus's don't have microsd?
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19:15 | <lykwydchykyn> apparently break=top prevents my keyboard drivers from loading :(
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19:15 | <ogra_> nope
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19:15 | <alkisg> That's what ogra_ and google are saying, at least for nexus 4...
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19:15 | <ogra_> they come with free google drive space though
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19:16 | google wants to push you into theiuur cloud indeed :)
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19:16 | <alkisg> lykwydchykyn: usb keyboard? try ps/2...
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19:17 | <lykwydchykyn> would if i could; there's no ps/2 on this box
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19:17 | <||cw> huh
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19:17 | I've got a toshia thrive, it's kind of a tank as far as tablets go, but it rocks in features
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19:18 | tegra2, full SD card, full HDMI, usb host port...
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19:19 | and pretty cheap as refurbs
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19:19 | <alkisg> lykwydchykyn: try break=premount
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19:19 | <lykwydchykyn> Is there a command to just rebuild the initramfs or do I have to do a complete client rebuild?
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19:20 | <alkisg> update-initramfs -u in the chroot
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19:20 | and ltsp-update-kernes
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19:20 | ls
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19:20 | <lykwydchykyn> excellent; thanks
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19:21 | <alkisg> It's a tablet though, not a phone...
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19:25 | <||cw> true.
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19:25 | i'm really happy with my S3 phone, but I don't know if there's an ubunut port for it, I haven't looked
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19:28 | <ogra_> not a working one
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19:28 | <alkisg> ogra_, highvoltage, stgraber, mgariepy: have you tried the ubuntu image for zatab? http://www.zareason.net/android/zatab/ => ubuntu-desktop-12.04-1-miniand.com.img.tar.gz
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19:28 | <ogra_> (if you talk about ubuntu touch)
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19:28 | i havent booted my zatab in months
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19:29 | i looked into porting ubuntu touch to it ... but it isnt supporting cyanogenmod 10.1 yet so there is forward porting of android involved first
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19:30 | <alkisg> I got very big lags with the 2-3 android roms I tried from the zareason site, making it almost unusable... I'd much prefer it with ubuntu, if the image there actually boots
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19:31 | (the stock rom had those lags too, they seem like it's having... disk reading problems?!)
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19:31 | <ogra_> its crap hardware
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19:31 | <alkisg> Freezes for 30 seconds, resumes for a few minutes, then freezes again...
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19:32 | <ogra_> single core 800MHz A10 SoC iirc
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19:33 | <vagrantc> should make a decent thin client... :P
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19:33 | <ogra_> yeah
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19:34 | surely would ... and A10 boards are cheaper than RPi if you order them in china
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19:34 | <vagrantc> i managed to get an openpandora to boot to LTSP as part of a talk the other day :)
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19:34 | ogra_: you looked at cubieboard at all?
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19:35 | <ogra_> only at the specs once, its nice
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19:35 | <vagrantc> seems like those might make good thin clients, or maybe even ok fat clients
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19:35 | <ogra_> (for the price)
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19:35 | <vagrantc> right
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19:36 | * vagrantc plans on picking up a cubieboard soonish | |
19:36 | <ogra_> ubuntu is all about nexus devices nowadays ... no more boards for me
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19:36 | (unless i would work on arm server ... which would mean 200 CPUs but no X :) )
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19:37 | <vagrantc> sounds like a deal!
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19:37 | <ogra_> hehe
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19:39 | <highvoltage> alkisg: ooh, I didn't realise there was one. thanks a lot!
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19:40 | <alkisg> highvoltage: if you try it and get it to boot, please ping me! :)
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19:40 | <highvoltage> alkisg: will do, I'm around 1500km from mine atm but will do in around a week :)
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19:41 | <alkisg> Cool
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19:47 | <lykwydchykyn> I think I just might have this working
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19:48 | I had to un-blacklist r8169 on the client, then I just blacklist either it or r8168 as needed on the kernel boot line
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19:48 | thanks alkisg
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19:48 | <alkisg> Cool
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19:49 | <lykwydchykyn> Still wish WOL was fixed in r8169, but we have to wait on the kernel guys for that I guess.
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19:54 | <alkisg> Someone mentioned for broadcom that he needed to ifdown the device before poweroff, for wol to wor
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19:54 | k
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19:57 | <lykwydchykyn> hrm
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19:59 | Didn't work for me
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21:17 | <kev_j> if there are two lts.conf files (such as one in the chroot and one in the var/lib/tftpboot/*arch*/) and they have separate options (server=1.2.3.4 in one and ssh_override_port=1234 in the other) would it use both or just one?
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21:18 | also, this is for the raspberry pi when using vagrantc's raspbian setup.... I don't know if it would make a difference or not, but just in case
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21:19 | oh.. and if not, then which would it use?
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21:21 | <vagrantc> it will attempt to download an lts.conf from the tftp dir, if it finds it, it'll use that one.
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21:21 | but, depending on how you configured dhcp, it may try the wrong tftp file
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21:21 | i.e. it might try tftp://server/ltsp/i386/lts.conf, for example
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21:22 | if you're just using NFS, i think it's easier to simply use the one in /opt/ltsp/armhf/etc/lts.conf
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21:22 | <kev_j> really? I have had a few issues with that actually (I think)..
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21:22 | I am using nbd
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21:23 | and I have the lts.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/arch/ sym-linked to /srv/tftpboot/ltsp/arch/
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21:24 | and I deleted the one in the chroot
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21:24 | <vagrantc> depending on your tftp server, it may not support symlinks
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21:24 | <kev_j> yeah, I'm pretty sure it doesn't now that you mention it
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21:24 | so I should just leave the one in the /var/lib/ location?
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21:24 | <vagrantc> in general, i prefer dnsmasq, and "ltsp-config dnsmasq" makes it fairly easy to set up
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21:25 | it can handle both dhcp and tftp pretty nicely.
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21:25 | <kev_j> I use isc-dhcp-server because it's what I started with
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21:26 | <vagrantc> sure, and if you're booting a lot of clients, isc-dhcp-server handles things a bit better
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21:26 | <kev_j> and dnsmasq got in the way of a bind port a few times and I am/was too inexeperienced to fix it
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21:27 | so should I skip putting it on the rpi? (not in the chroot) or do I need it to tell it where to connect to?
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21:28 | <vagrantc> sorry, i won't have much time till the weekend
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21:29 | seems like partial documentation is almost worse than no documentation :(
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21:29 | <kev_j> heh, sorry, I actually figured out a lot of it, I think this is more my curiousity on ltsp in general
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21:30 | like I don't really know how it handles the lts.conf files very well and am just trying to understand it a little better
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