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Channel log from 15 February 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:50 | <alkisg> Gadi_eeepc: ping?
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| 08:53 | <Gadi> alkisg: pong
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| 08:54 | <alkisg> Gadi, please can we talk later? we're on a debug session right now... :)
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| 08:56 | <Gadi> np
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| 09:01 | <alkisg> Gadi, about $CHROOT/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf. I was under the impression that this would be a used-edited file.
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| 09:02 | Now, ltsp-update-image doesn't preserve that file's contents...
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| 09:04 | <johnny> s/used/user/
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| 09:04 | <alkisg> right, thanks johnny
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| 09:05 | So e.g. if I put BOOTPROMPT_OPTS='nbdroot=10.160.31.10:2000", it would stay there
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| 09:05 | <Gadi> ur right - now, you would have to call: ltsp-update-image -S 10.160.31.10
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| 09:07 | I suppose we could have a flag that preserves the file and does not write to it, but at that point ur saying, "let's have a tool that can figure out the ports and do the right thing AND let people screw it up"
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| 09:07 | :)
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| 09:08 | <alkisg> Gadi, why would it rewrite the file instead of just update the bits it needs?
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| 09:08 | E.g. NBDPORT=xxx <=update that line,
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| 09:08 | <Gadi> because that's a great way to produce more errors
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| 09:09 | if you like, you should edit ltsp=update-image's config file
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| 09:09 | so, for your example, simply put:
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| 09:10 | NBD_SERVER=10.160.31.10
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| 09:10 | in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.conf
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| 09:10 | so you don't have to pass a commandline argument to it next time
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| 09:10 | <alkisg> Got it... thinking...
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| 09:11 | <Gadi> I don't think users should ever need to chroot and run update-kernels by hand
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| 09:11 | or chroot and run much of anything
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| 09:11 | the server-side tools should do the dirty work
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| 09:11 | <alkisg> Sure, I was just thinking that it should read any info that ltsp-build-client put to update-kernels.conf
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| 09:12 | Let me think of any use cases I may have, and how those would be done with the new way... (thanks btw :))
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| 09:12 | <Gadi> thats also why I have the -f flag
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| 09:12 | to force regeneration of kernels and configs
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| 09:13 | <alkisg> Gadi, also, ltsp-update-kernels now overwrites pxelinux.cfg/default with the chroot one
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| 09:14 | <CAN-o-SPAM> morning all
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| 09:14 | <alkisg> Did that change?
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| 09:14 | <Gadi> alkisg: no, that's the same as it was
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| 09:14 | alkisg: I just have a failsafe in the l-u-i to catch if none was copied for some reason
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| 09:15 | but, it should pull in the one from the chroot
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| 09:15 | <alkisg> So the user will still need to edit $ROOT/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf, chroot, create a proper pxelinux.cfg/default, then run ltsp-update-kernels,
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| 09:15 | <Gadi> it should also be smart enough to use the same ports as were used previously (unless there are 2 chroots with same port)
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| 09:15 | alkisg: no no
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| 09:15 | l-u-i takes care of everything
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| 09:16 | l-u-i writes to $ROOT/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf, updates the kernels, etc
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| 09:16 | <alkisg> Gadi, and where could I put an extra param? E.g. autoconf=dhcp ?
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| 09:16 | <Gadi> user just calls l-u-i
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| 09:17 | l-u-i -o "autoconf=dhcp"
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| 09:17 | <alkisg> Got it. Thank you - I'll look into all that...
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| 09:17 | <Gadi> or l-u-i "quiet splash autoconf=dhcp"
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| 09:17 | oops -o
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| 09:17 | but, u get the idea
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| 09:18 | <alkisg> Or BOOTPROMPT_OPTIONS in the config file, yup
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| 09:18 | <Gadi> OR, you could set: BOOTPROMPT_OPTIONS="quiet splash autoconf=dhcp" in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.conf
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| 09:18 | right
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| 09:19 | I also added a -T for timeout and -I for ipappend values
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| 09:30 | <stgraber> alkisg, Gadi: Has one of you tested the package currently in my PPA ?
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| 09:30 | at home I wasn't able to login with LDM after updating to that
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| 09:31 | <alkisg> stgraber: I'm testing right now, but I'm not even able to boot yet :D
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| 09:31 | <stgraber> haven't tested at the office yet, so it may be that my appserv is broken somehow
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| 09:31 | <alkisg> (some pxelinux.cfg/default changes...)
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| 09:33 | stgraber: does tftpd-hpa start on boot for you? It doesn't for me..
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| 09:33 | (Lucid)
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| 09:33 | <stgraber> I didn't try to reboot ;)
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| 09:34 | it's a VZ container I'm using for it
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| 09:34 | <ogra> lol
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| 09:34 | <alkisg> :)
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| 09:34 | <alincoln> i had to manually add the -s switch to /etc/default/tftpd-hpa this morning after updating my lucid server...
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| 09:34 | <ogra> alkisg, what does your /etc/default/tftpd-hpa say ?
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| 09:35 | <stgraber> it's supposed to start at S20 here but it's just looking at the init scripts
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| 09:35 | and I know that /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa start works
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| 09:35 | <alincoln> stgraber: i just built upstream trunk uing your packaging branch, and i'm not able to log in with ldm.
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| 09:36 | so whereas it's not your PPA, it might be close...?
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| 09:37 | <alkisg> http://paste.ubuntu.com/376917/
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| 09:37 | ogra ^
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| 09:39 | <ogra> looks different to what i got with todays upgrade
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| 09:39 | directory definately points to /srv
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| 09:40 | <alkisg> ogra: it was decided that we should keep using /var/lib/tftpboot - when did you get /srv ?
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| 09:41 | Can you purge that file and reinstall to check what you get?
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| 09:42 | <ogra> alkisg, i'm doing a daily update, so i guess it was changed automatically when the debian sync came in... but its definately something to look out for wrt alpha testers
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| 09:43 | people that have gotten the plain debian package might have it wrong
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| 09:43 | <alkisg> Yeah, anyone who installed that week would have problems
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| 09:43 | <ogra> right
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| 09:43 | <alkisg> But it gave a visible prompt, so I wouldn't worry too much
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| 09:44 | <Gadi> stgraber: I dont have a lucid build to test with atm, only karmic
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| 09:44 | <ogra> i didnt have a visible prompt
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| 09:44 | <alkisg> (the debconf question visibility was high)
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| 09:44 | <ogra> i know, i still didnt have one
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| 09:46 | <alkisg> daemon.log.1:Feb 15 00:32:00 alkis in.tftpd[1355]: cannot resolve local IPv4 bind address: 0.0.0.0, Name or service not known
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| 09:46 | Maybe tftpd starts before networking, and that's why it doesn't work for me?
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| 09:46 | (it works fine if I start it later on...)
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| 09:46 | <alincoln> stgraber: well, i can authenticate just fine, but gnome doesn't start and my session ends immediately.
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| 09:46 | is this what you see?
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| 09:46 | <ogra> alkisg, someone should turn the initscript into an upstart job so that cant happen ;)
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| 09:47 | <stgraber> alincoln: yeah
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| 09:47 | alincoln: and looking at the log it shows SSH worked correctly
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| 09:47 | <alkisg> ogra, heh, what about the server team? :D
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| 09:47 | * alkisg has no clue about upstart jobs :) | |
| 09:47 | <ogra> well :)
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| 09:48 | <stgraber> I don't feel like doing the upstart job, at least not this week ;)
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| 09:48 | <ogra> alkisg, its not that hard, look at /etc/init/ssh.conf
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| 09:50 | <alkisg> Damn I have the old packages :( upgrading...
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| 09:50 | <alincoln> stgraber: i can try to look into what's causing it. open to suggestions if you have any
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| 09:51 | <stgraber> alincoln: I'm not sure, maybe have a look to see if somethin changed in the rc.d scripts and check the environment to see if something is wrong there
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| 09:51 | <alkisg> ogra, that would be a packaging thing, which can be done after FF, right?
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| 09:51 | <stgraber> alkisg: yeah, it can be done after FF
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| 09:51 | <alkisg> OK, no hurry then
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| 09:51 | <ogra> alkisg, i think it requires a bug to be filed though
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| 09:52 | * alkisg might even ditch tftpd-hpa completely since he's already using dnsmasq for proxydhcp... | |
| 09:52 | <alkisg> *and dns...
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| 09:55 | Gadi, so if I'm understanding this correctly, if I have "BOOTPROMPT_OPTIONS='autoconf=dhcp'" in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.conf *before* I call ltsp-build-client, pxelinux.cfg/default will contain it, right?
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| 09:59 | <Gadi> it should, tho honestly I tested the command-line args more
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| 10:00 | <alkisg> Thanks Gadi, building...
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| 10:01 | <Gadi> alkisg: btw, I noticed yesterday that, by default, alsa-utils runs from udev on boot to try and set volume levels from /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
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| 10:02 | <alkisg> Gadi yeah I saw it the other day right after you left irc :)
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| 10:02 | <Gadi> got me wondering whether we should simply write that file in an earlier udev rule
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| 10:02 | or some such
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| 10:02 | (tho, not sure how ubuntu-specific that is)
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| 10:02 | <alkisg> Gadi, the whole thing is to set the volumes specified by lts.conf, right?
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| 10:03 | <Gadi> right
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| 10:03 | <alkisg> What if this was done on the user session ?
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| 10:03 | I think there's even a bug filed in ubuntu-ltsp for that...
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| 10:03 | <Gadi> well, you cannot assume that everyone uses ldm
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| 10:03 | ;)
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| 10:03 | <alkisg> True .... hm...
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| 10:03 | <Gadi> of course, you *should* be able to adjust through ldm in addition
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| 10:04 | <ogra> some people might use the extended version :) (lxdm) :P
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| 10:04 | <Gadi> difficult to restore from ldm, because you may be on a different thin client with different channels
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| 10:06 | <alkisg> Gadi, alsa-utils has hardcoded values for volumes...
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| 10:06 | <Gadi> right
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| 10:06 | if none are stored
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| 10:06 | <alkisg> Ah.
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| 10:06 | But I wonder what happens if alsa-utils and ltsp tries to set the volumes at the same time
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| 10:07 | <Gadi> yeah - we should prolly add an ubuntu plugin to kill alsa-utils
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| 10:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> hey all. I was working on a 9.10 LTSP test env I have, and noticed a lot of slowness on the server's response time from a client. I went to the server to see what was drawing processor power, and noticed that there are logged in sessions from last month still listen in a "ps aux". I assume this is from when a client was not "logged off" and instead the client was shut off. I could have sworn that after no response, the user would be automatically logged of
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| 10:13 | f after a period of inactivity. Is that not the case?
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| 10:17 | <jammcq> bom dia
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| 10:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> hey jamm
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| 10:27 | <etyack> jammcq: mornin
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| 10:37 | <jammcq> etyack: howdie
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| 10:37 | _UsUrPeR_: hey
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| 10:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> What function of LTSP in Ubuntu 9.10 logs a user off after inactivity in gnome?\
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| 10:47 | <alincoln> stgraber: it's the ldm rev 1242 commit that's broken logging in
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| 10:47 | the new way to build the list of rc.d files doesn't work
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| 10:48 | <alkisg> Ugh
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| 10:48 | <garymc> Anyone know how I remove a user?
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| 10:48 | Im using ubutu LTSP
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| 10:48 | what the sudo command is? in terminal
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| 10:49 | <alkisg> alincoln: I have 2:2.0.55~bzr1242-0ubuntu1~ppa1~lucid1 and it works for me, is that the same that you have?
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| 10:50 | <alincoln> alkisg: well, i packaged an upstream snapshot from this morning using stgraber's ubuntu packaging branch... but i'm at ldm rev 1242, yeah
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| 10:50 | alkisg: can you paste ldm-script from your version?
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| 10:51 | <alkisg> Sure
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| 10:52 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/376962/
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| 10:52 | Ah, that has the old code, I see...
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| 10:53 | <alincoln> alkisg: that's the new stuff, right? the old one used basename.
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| 10:54 | <alkisg> alincoln: I'm not sure, let me check bzr...
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| 10:59 | <Gadi> yup that syntax is flawed
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| 10:59 | we need a | tr ' ' '\n'
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| 11:00 | * Gadi will update | |
| 11:01 | <alincoln> Gadi: thanks!
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| 11:02 | <Gadi> try that
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| 11:03 | I should actually clean it up a bit more and eliminate one of the loops
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| 11:06 | <Gadi> Here's another that should work, as well
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| 11:20 | <alincoln> Gadi: still a no go. $SCRIPTS contains full pathnames, and the egrep line expects just filenames
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| 11:20 | so the egrep gets rid of everything
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| 11:21 | <Gadi> ah
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| 11:21 | one sec
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| 11:27 | <Gadi> alincoln: I modified find to return just filenames to begin with
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| 11:27 | <alincoln> Gadi: coolio
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| 11:36 | Gadi: yep, works, thanks
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| 11:36 | <Gadi> excellent!
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| 11:36 | glad u caught that bug
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| 11:36 | <alincoln> :)
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| 11:58 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Gadi: socallinuxexpo? or no?
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| 12:01 | <Gadi> California dreaming on such a winter's day
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| 12:03 | <CAN-o-SPAM> heh
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| 12:05 | <Gadi> OT: does anyone know of a zenity-like tool that would allow me to display the contents of a file in a scrollwindow with BOTH OK/Cancel buttons?
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| 12:09 | <alkisg> Gadi, debconf?
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| 12:11 | (or a 5 line pygtk program? :D)
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| 12:18 | <Gadi> yeah, yeah, yeah
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| 12:18 | :P
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| 12:19 | y'know, if everything's just a 5-line pygtk program, why even have zenity? :p
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| 12:28 | <Lns> because not every ltsp dev likes python? ;)
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| 13:33 | <vvinet> !seen sbalneav
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| 13:33 | <ltspbot> vvinet: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 3 days, 4 hours, 28 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <sbalneav> akSeya: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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| 13:33 | <stgraber> Gadi, alkisg: Should I make new snapshots ?
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| 13:33 | !s
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| 13:33 | <ltspbot> stgraber: "s" :: Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 13:34 | <vvinet> thanks graber
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| 13:37 | <dro> does the default pxelinux.cfg/default have 6 lines in it?
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| 13:37 | <dro> i just did a fresh install of ubuntu 9.10
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| 13:37 | <alkisg> stgraber, I think so, alincoln said he wouldn't get to boot without Gadi's fix for ldm RCs...
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| 13:38 | * alkisg booted fine, though | |
| 13:38 | <dro> alkisg: btw I'm having nbd issues with vbox and 9.10
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| 13:39 | <alkisg> dro, issues like "I get some mountall warnings" or like "it doesn't boot at all"?
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| 13:39 | <dro> alkisg: doesn't boot at all, says Error: failed to connect to NBD server
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| 13:39 | alkisg: i'm going to try the ipappend = 3 trick
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| 13:40 | <alkisg> dro, do you have 2 dhcp servers?
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| 13:40 | <dro> alkisg: this is on vbox host only adapter
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| 13:41 | <alkisg> dro, do you see a line "udhcp: configured eth at <ip>:<gw>:<server>" etc line before the error?
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| 13:41 | If so, is the server IP there correct?
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| 13:43 | <stgraber> new ltsp uploaded to ppa
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| 13:43 | next up is ldm
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| 13:44 | <dro> alkisg; the server ip is wrong
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| 13:44 | <alkisg> That's your problem then
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| 13:44 | <dro> alkisg: but this shows
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| 13:44 | IP : IP : subnet
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| 13:44 | <alkisg> Your dhcp server isn't providing the correct server ip
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| 13:45 | Yeah, my bad, here's the complete form: http://codtech.com/wiki/index.php/Ipconfig#interface_spec_long_form
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| 13:45 | <client-ip>:<server-ip>:<gw-ip>:<netmask>:<hostname>:<device>:<autoconf>
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| 13:46 | <stgraber> ldm uploaded
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| 13:47 | <dro> alkisg: cool modified the #next-server: option in dhcpd.conf and that did it, ty again!
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| 14:48 | <Gadi> stgraber: I compiled your lucid source debs on karmic and installed them - will test this evening if they just work as trivial backport
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| 14:50 | <stgraber> Gadi: ok
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| 14:59 | <eyoop> hellow all, anyone can help me about an error i get after loading initrd.img and decompress kernel?
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| 15:00 | <dro> eyoop: whats the error
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| 15:01 | <eyoop> init: line 174: cant't open /tmp/net-eth0.conf
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| 15:01 | and then kernel panic
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| 15:03 | I found some things googling about ... but i cant fix it
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| 15:03 | <Gadi> eyoop: that is usually either because you have more than one network interface on the client or you lack the appropriate driver for the one you have
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| 15:04 | <eyoop> well, i have only one network card
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| 15:04 | on the client... and the driver , downloaded from rom-o-matic was 3c90x
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| 15:05 | and the client is booted from cd
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| 15:05 | <Gadi> that was for PXE
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| 15:05 | there is a problem with the driver in the initramfs
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| 15:05 | what distro are you using?
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| 15:05 | <eyoop> debian lenny
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| 15:06 | <Gadi> do you know what driver that card uses?
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| 15:07 | <Lns> Gadi: any words of wisdom for me? rdesktop isn't seeing my win2k3 VM's sound device. I can log in through vmware and use it fine, but an 'rdesktop -r sound:local <ip_of_win_svr> doesn't work :(
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| 15:07 | <eyoop> Gadi: no soryy but i will look for tha information
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| 15:08 | <Gadi> eyoop: seems it might use the 3c59x driver
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| 15:09 | try adding the line "3c59x" to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules and /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/initramfs-tools/modules
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| 15:09 | then: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 15:09 | update-initramfs -u
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| 15:09 | /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels
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| 15:09 | exit
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| 15:09 | <Gadi> ltsp-update-kernels
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| 15:09 | and see if that fixes it
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| 15:10 | <eyoop> Gadi: ive already do this but with 3c90x xD
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| 15:10 | ill try with that driver
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| 15:10 | <Gadi> ok
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| 15:10 | seems in kernel 2.6 or greater it may share that driver
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| 15:10 | and they dropped a separate 3c90x driver
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| 15:10 | <eyoop> thanks you very much
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| 15:10 | <Gadi> Lns: what do you mean by "not seeing"?
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| 15:11 | <eyoop> ill try it and tell you the result ;)
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| 15:12 | <Lns> Gadi: sorry :) Well I use a testsound.wav in wmp and it says "...cannot play the file because there is a problem with your sound device. There might not be a sound device installed on your computer, it might be in use by another program, or it might not be functioning properly."
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| 15:13 | that's in rdesktop (tried newest 1.6.0 too). VMWare console session plays it fine through server's sound card
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| 15:13 | I also tried -r sound:local:oss but no change
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| 15:14 | <Gadi> Lns: when you go to control panel > Sound what does it have as the audio device?
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| 15:15 | <Lns> Gadi: Microsoft RDP Audio Driver is only choice for default device.. there are no options for Recording Device dropdown, or midi music driver
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| 15:15 | <Gadi> sounds about right
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| 15:15 | and what are you running rdesktop on?
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| 15:15 | <Lns> ubu 8.04 *blush*
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| 15:16 | <Gadi> on the server?
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| 15:16 | <Lns> yep
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| 15:16 | oh
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| 15:16 | hehehe =) Win2k3 Server
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| 15:16 | <Gadi> does: padsp rdesktop -r sound:local:oss .... work?
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| 15:16 | <Lns> nope..sorry that's actually what i have in there
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| 15:17 | tried both with sound:local and sound:local:oss (w/padsp)
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| 15:17 | <Gadi> did you uncheck Disable audio mapping in windows?
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| 15:17 | <Lns> nope, where's that?
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| 15:17 | <Gadi> TS Configuration
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| 15:17 | <Lns> ah, lemme try :)
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| 15:17 | <Gadi> right click on rdp, go to client settings and its in one of the tabs
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| 15:17 | audio is disabled on WTS by default
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| 15:18 | <Lns> ok
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| 15:18 | <dro> Lns: did you get your audio working with rdesktop?
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| 15:19 | <Gadi> you have to logout/login for it to take effect
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| 15:19 | <Lns> ok..gimme a sec
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| 15:19 | dro: that's what i'm working on =p
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| 15:20 | <dro> Lns: what are you using for audio on the rdesktop command in lts.conf
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| 15:20 | rdesktop -r sound:local
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| 15:20 | found above
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| 15:20 | <Lns> Gadi: don't see that in ts configuration
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| 15:20 | <dro> Lns: did you try: -r sound:local:alsa
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| 15:21 | <Lns> dro: yes
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| 15:21 | <dro> lns: has it ever worked before?
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| 15:21 | <Lns> dro: it seems to work fine at another site w/duplicate setup
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| 15:22 | <Gadi> lns - right click on the RDP-tcp thing
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| 15:22 | go to properties
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| 15:22 | go to Client Settings tab
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| 15:22 | Disable the following:
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| 15:22 | make sure Audio is unchecked
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| 15:22 | <Lns> OH gotcha, there it is =)
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| 15:23 | <dro> Lns: :P
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| 15:23 | <Gadi> was it checked?
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| 15:23 | <Lns> Gadi: yep
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| 15:23 | unchecked, logged out, going back in
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| 15:23 | <dro> Lns: is that sever part of a domain?
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| 15:24 | <Lns> Gadi: bingo! =)
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| 15:24 | tytytytyty!!!
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| 15:24 | <dro> Lns: is that server part of a domain?
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| 15:24 | <Gadi> np - just means Ive been doing this too long
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| 15:24 | :P
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| 15:24 | <Lns> Oh I was hoping I wouldn't have to deal with windows all day again today =)
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| 15:25 | Gadi: =p well you are a valuable resource for those who cannot wean themselves from windows all the way (yet)!
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| 15:25 | Tell your boss you need a raise!
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| 15:25 | <dro> Lns: if that server is not part of a domain and you join it to the domain, there is a good chance it will break again. Even with that setting disabled, have to use the group policy to turn it off again
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| 15:26 | http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc725887%28WS.10%29.aspx
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| 15:26 | <Lns> dro: wow cool, ty. It is part of a domain actually
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| 15:27 | <dro> Lns: then it will probably be fine, until you upgrade your dc or it to 2008r2
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| 15:27 | <Lns> hopefully that isn't going to happen =p
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| 15:28 | <dro> Lns: just out of curiosity, what all commands did you use on your rdesktop line?
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| 15:28 | "-a 16 -r sound:local:alsa -r disk:drives=/media/root -d crutcho -z -x l -P -u ''" is mine
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| 15:29 | <Lns> dro: I just have 'padsp rdesktop -f -u "" -r sound:local <ip>' (heh i remembered that all...)
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| 15:29 | <eyoop> Gadi: hello again but i do what you recomend me with that driver and didnt work
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| 15:29 | <dro> Lns; -z enabled rdp compression, makes a difference
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| 15:29 | <eyoop> when i type update-initramfs -u
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| 15:29 | this is the output
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| 15:30 | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-486
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| 15:30 | grep: /proc/modules: No existe el fichero o el directorio
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| 15:30 | grep: /proc/modules: No existe el fichero o el directorio
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| 15:30 | cryptsetup: WARNING: could not determine root device from /etc/fstab
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| 15:30 | <Gadi> oh,
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| 15:30 | you need to mount the /proc directorio
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| 15:30 | <eyoop> and then i lstp-update-kernels
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| 15:30 | <Gadi> in the chroot
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| 15:30 | before running update-initramfs -u
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| 15:31 | <Lns> dro: oh...wow that might just help! thx!
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| 15:31 | <eyoop> yes firs i chroot
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| 15:31 | <dro> Lns: no problem, unfortenly if you have windows rdp questions I can help, it's primarily what I have to deal with
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| 15:31 | <Lns> dro: i'm sorry ;) j/k
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| 15:32 | <dro> Lns: i work primarily at k12 schools, I had one district that requested me to be a board meeting
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| 15:32 | <Lns> dro: wow that's great! i do the same actually =)
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| 15:32 | <dro> they advised me that they didn't like linux and it was insecure and to stop using it and then asked what all it ran
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| 15:32 | <Lns> i think we talked about this before ;)
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| 15:32 | <dro> i explained to them everything that it did......then they said n/m
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| 15:32 | probably lool
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| 15:33 | Lns: you're in the UK right
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| 15:33 | <Lns> heh!! Yeah, schools are a unique type of place to serve with open source
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| 15:33 | dro: nope, california, US
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| 15:33 | <dro> thats right cool
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| 15:33 | do you work for a contractor or an actual school
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| 15:34 | <Lns> dro: I am the contractor
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| 15:34 | <dro> Lns: cool
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| 15:34 | <eyoop> Gadi:any other suggestion?
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| 15:37 | <Gadi> eyoop: you had an error
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| 15:37 | <Gadi> you need to mount proc
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| 15:38 | you never created a new initramfs
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| 15:39 | <eyoop> oooouch, you are right, im not very skilled sorry thanks ill try it :)
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| 15:49 | <vagrantc> Gadi: using a single for loop in ldm-script will sort based on the full path rather than matching filenames
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| 15:49 | Gadi: so a single for loop is actually broken.
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| 15:50 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i.e. it will sort all /etc/ldm/rc.d/ before /usr/share/ldm/rc.d, which doesn't allow for /etc/ldm/rc.d/foo to override /usr/share/ldm/rc.d/foo
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| 15:51 | <Gadi> actually, it only sorts filenames currently
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| 15:51 | and the last loop will only run the first instance of a filename found in a dir
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| 15:52 | <vagrantc> won't it run multiple times, then?
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| 15:52 | and in the wrong order?
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| 15:52 | <Gadi> no
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| 15:52 | but, it will run differently than how you say
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| 15:52 | so, we should decide on what the desired intent is
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| 15:52 | of all these dirs
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| 15:53 | right now, it will run like this:
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| 15:53 | find all of the filenames in all of the dirs
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| 15:53 | sort them
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| 15:53 | make them unique
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| 15:53 | then source them from the dirs in the order of the loop
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| 15:54 | so, if you had, say...
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| 15:54 | /etc/ldm/rc.d/foo, /usr/share/ldm/rc.d/foo, /etc/ldm/rc.d/bar, and /usr/share/ldm/rc.d/baz
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| 15:54 | you should get:
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| 15:55 | /etc/ldm/rc.d/foo, then /etc/ldm/rc.d/bar, then /usr/share/ldm/rc.d/baz
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| 15:55 | (which may not be what you have inmind)
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| 15:55 | <vagrantc> that's what i have in mind, but that doesn't look like what the code will do...
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| 15:56 | <vagrantc> what does the find -printf do?
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| 15:56 | <Gadi> it outputs just filename
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| 15:56 | "basename"
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| 15:56 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 15:57 | ah, well... then that should work fine :)
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| 15:57 | <Gadi> so, it is basically saying: ok, I see foo bar and baz
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| 15:57 | now, let's execute them in the dirs
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| 15:57 | <vagrantc> that's where i went wrong
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| 15:57 | <Gadi> oops, and my order was wrong
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| 15:57 | 'f' comes after 'b'
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| 15:58 | :)
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| 15:58 | <vagrantc> ah, sure.
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| 15:58 | <Gadi> so, it'll go bar, baz foo
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| 15:59 | <vagrantc> i didn't catch the -printf '%f\n'
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| 15:59 | slick. :)
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| 15:59 | * Gadi always gets a headache with these "overrides" :) | |
| 16:00 | <vagrantc> overrides can be tricky... but they allow for a lot of flexibility.
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| 16:00 | <Gadi> now, I have another question for you
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| 16:00 | why do we set: SCRIPTS="$SCRIPTS ...."
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| 16:00 | <vagrantc> not sure.
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| 16:00 | <Gadi> do we expect SCRIPTS to be predefined?
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| 16:00 | * Gadi thinks that is scary | |
| 16:01 | <Gadi> because we never unset SCRIPTS
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| 16:01 | <vagrantc> sounds potentially bad.
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| 16:01 | might have been cut-and-paste errors from other code.
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| 16:01 | <Gadi> ah
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| 16:01 | I was afraid to change it
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| 16:01 | because I thought there was more to it
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| 16:02 | I guess we are just lucky that ldm-script is called from different threads in ldm
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| 16:02 | atm
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| 16:02 | each with its own env
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| 16:02 | <vagrantc> i *think* it's a good idea to remove it...
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| 16:04 | * Gadi lets vagrantc have the honors | |
| 16:04 | <Gadi> ;)
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| 16:04 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 16:05 | O K
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| 16:06 | <vagrantc> we could probably drop @libexecdir@ too
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| 16:06 | that was a wild and crazy hack to follow fedora policy or something
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| 16:06 | at some point we were going to deprecate it
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| 16:06 | <Gadi> I thought it was to handle backports to /usr/lib/ltsp
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| 16:06 | or some such
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| 16:07 | <vagrantc> yeah
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| 16:07 | or in fedora's case, /usr/libexec/ltsp
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| 16:07 | <Gadi> well, we have so much other hardcoded /usr/share/ltsp around
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| 16:07 | <vagrantc> we eventually agreed that /usr/share was ok.
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| 16:08 | and to deprecate @libexecdir@ at some point
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| 16:08 | <Gadi> Lns: ping
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| 16:09 | vagrantc: are you working with real thin clients these days?
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| 16:09 | or still VMs for testing?
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| 16:09 | <vagrantc> most of my testing with VMs
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| 16:09 | but i occasionally dig out some real hardware
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| 16:10 | though i need another LCD monitor ... i've got a few laptops, but one has a broken ethernet port and the other has broken usb.
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| 16:10 | it's just enough hassle i don't test with real hardware usually.
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| 16:10 | * Gadi needs someone to test his "menu" screen script to see whether there is ACTUALLY weird whiptail video ugliness when you log out from LDM and it respawns or if it is just the VM | |
| 16:10 | <vagrantc> whiptail is asking for troubles.
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| 16:10 | all the dialog implementations have ugly issues.
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| 16:11 | Gadi: might want to look at ssft
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| 16:12 | it will support whatever dialog frontend is available, falling back to a readline implementation.
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| 16:12 | i guess the recommends are a little annoying, though
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| 16:13 | <Gadi> well, whiptail is usually just there
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| 16:13 | <vagrantc> does it handle if it's not?
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| 16:13 | <Gadi> the question is whether whiptail -> X -> whiptail causes badness
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| 16:13 | not at all
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| 16:13 | :)
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| 16:14 | <vagrantc> in debian, it's listed as "important", which means it will usually be installed, but shouldn't be assumed it's there.
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| 16:14 | <Gadi> nobody's forcing anyone to use the script
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| 16:15 | :)
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| 16:15 | just available in case
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| 16:16 | <vagrantc> sure, but the code needs to handle it not being present unless you add a dependency.
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| 16:16 | at least in debian policy.
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| 16:17 | handling it could be as simple as saying "whiptail not installed. unable to FOO"
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| 16:18 | Gadi: for the record, i see no instances of the variable SCRIPTS in ltsp, ldm or ltspfs other than in ldm-script
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| 16:19 | the only use case i could think of would be through an lts.conf variable ... but then you'd want the script to be executed in all phases.
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| 16:19 | or, it would be ..
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| 16:20 | <Gadi> ok, I will unable to FOO
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| 16:20 | :P
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| 16:20 | <Lns> Gadi: pong
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| 16:21 | <Gadi> Lns: dont know if you'll have a chance to test the "menu" screen script that is upstream
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| 16:21 | but if you do, let me know if the menu gets garbled if you log into ldm and logout and come back to the menu
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| 16:21 | <Lns> Gadi: i wanted to say about that, when i exit my gnome session w/menu enabled, it goes back to ldm and not menu (not sure if that was intended)
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| 16:22 | <Gadi> really?
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| 16:22 | <Lns> have you made changes since we last troubleshot?
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| 16:22 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 16:22 | I think so
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| 16:22 | <Lns> lemme pull down the new one
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| 16:59 | <Lns> heh, not nice for the one i'm testing for to ditch me =p
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| 17:06 | Cheers all!
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| 18:22 | <stgraber> and a new ldm snapshot uploaded (rev 1246)
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| 19:47 | <alexbodn> hello friends,
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| 19:47 | i have a ts with 2 stations, and it works great. but nfs caused some problems, so i wish to switch to nfs4. i know what to do on the server side, but where is the client defining the mount/boot device location?
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| 19:49 | <johnny> alexbodn, not distro?
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| 19:49 | err not ubunu*
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| 19:49 | if you used ubuntu it would use nbd
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| 19:49 | never heard of anybody using nfs4
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| 19:49 | with ltsp
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| 19:50 | what problems with nfs3 exactly are you having?
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| 19:50 | <alexbodn> hey johnny
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| 19:51 | i have general problems on the server. it serves the /home for other machines too, and file locks etc won't work.
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| 19:52 | <johnny> ltsp doesn't use /home for nfs
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| 19:52 | <alexbodn> nfs4 changed things dramatically, and the server performs much better
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| 19:52 | <johnny> at least not by default
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| 19:52 | you would need to edit the initramfs code for nfs4
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| 19:52 | if it even includes the nfs4 module..
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| 19:52 | try asking on ltsp-discuss
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| 19:52 | the lists on sourceforge that is
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| 19:52 | !ltsp-discuss
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| 19:52 | <ltspbot> johnny: "ltsp-discuss" :: at https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss
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| 19:52 | <johnny> there ya go
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| 19:53 | <alexbodn> thanks a lot, going there
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| 19:57 | <Damianos> I think I hosed my server
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| 19:57 | Can somebody help me?
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| 19:59 | <johnny> !ask
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| 19:59 | <ltspbot> johnny: "ask" :: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 20:00 | <johnny> i hope you learn a lesson.. never start a support request with that
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| 20:00 | just state your case
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| 20:02 | <Damianos> My ubuntu won't boot...somebody mentioned booting from the alt CD and choosing rescue a broken system...won't that completely screw up my network settings and everything?
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| 20:03 | <johnny> no.. it doesn't mean reformat
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| 20:03 | go to #ubuntu
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| 20:04 | if you need help with your ubuntu system
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| 20:04 | this is for supportint ltsp.. or thin client boot problems
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| 20:04 | not ubuntu
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| 20:04 | you'll find better help there anyways..
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| 20:04 | as this channel is dead atm.. i'm the only one here
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| 20:04 | and i'm about to go get some food
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| 20:06 | <alexbodn> enjoy your meal :)
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| 20:06 | <Damianos> kali orexi
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| 20:07 | <alexbodn> ;)
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| 20:07 | <Damianos> I just came from the ubuntu channel and I started to follow the advice and I saw the installer reconfiguring network settings and all kinds of stuff. I just wanted to make sure it was kosher
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| 20:08 | I guess I'm on my own
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| 20:08 | ...again
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| 20:09 | <alexbodn> always backup/write down your special settings :)
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| 20:11 | here, to know if something is kosher, you need a real rabbi ;)
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