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00:26 | <pren> sorry for such a basic question, but where is lts.conf ? (on ubuntu hardy)
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00:27 | is it in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf ?
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00:27 | is there another lts.conf ?
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01:09 | <isojussi> still problems to login, some accounts work. in some accounts scrren goes to black with cursor and it reverts back to login screen
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01:17 | http://pastebin.com/m1a824e47 Xsessioon errors log
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01:37 | <isojussi> any help?
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03:14 | <peeeeet> good morning
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03:24 | <peeeeet> hello all i need some help maybe someone can help me. When I Try to start my Thinclient he boots very well but then i think when he try to start xserver the monitor get no signal. some ideas?
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03:30 | <Appiah> try forcing some X configurations
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03:30 | like a lower res or another driver
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03:30 | or read the Xorg.0.log on the local client
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03:32 | <peeeeet> Appiah: thx
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03:32 | <alkisg> You could also try putting XSERVER=vesa in lts.conf
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03:32 | If that works, you'd be sure it's an X problem
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03:33 | <peeeeet> alkisg: but i dont find my lts.conf
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03:33 | <Appiah> create it
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03:33 | <alkisg> You need to create one
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03:33 | <peeeeet> were?
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03:33 | <alkisg> Is that Ubuntu?
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03:33 | <peeeeet> debian
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03:33 | where sorry
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03:33 | <alkisg> Hmmm I think it's in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf? not sure about debian...
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03:34 | See if there's a file there.
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03:34 | <Appiah> /var/lib/tftpboot/<arch>/etc/lts.conf
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03:34 | <peeeeet> Appiah: ok
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03:34 | <alkisg> Appiah: doesn't debian use nfs?
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03:34 | <Appiah> hmm
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03:34 | I thought LTSP5 didnt use nfs?
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03:34 | <alkisg> Nope
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03:34 | It's distro specific, whether they use or not
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03:34 | AFAIK debian uses NFS by default
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03:34 | <Appiah> oh I see
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03:34 | thought it was a LTSP5 thing
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03:35 | my bad
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03:35 | <alkisg> peeeeet: does this file exist? /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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03:35 | <peeeeet> alkisg: no
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03:35 | <alkisg> Is the chroot i386? or amd64?
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03:35 | <peeeeet> but in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/ is no etc
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03:36 | <alkisg> No etc, it's "ltsp" like you said there
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03:36 | I.e. in Ubuntu it's in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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03:36 | But I really think Debian uses /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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03:36 | <peeeeet> alkisg: ok i try to make a lts.conf
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03:36 | <alkisg> Anyway, put it in both places, and then when the client boots you can see which on it got :)
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03:37 | *which one
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03:37 | <peeeeet> alkisg: ok i try to make a lts.conf
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03:37 | <alkisg> [Default]
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03:37 | XSERVER=vesa
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03:37 | Put those 2 lines there
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03:37 | <peeeeet> ok one moment
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03:38 | then i need a ltsp-image-update?
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03:38 | <alkisg> No
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03:38 | That's only when you use nbd
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03:38 | Debian uses nfs
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03:39 | It *can* use nbd, but it doesn't by default
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03:40 | <peeeeet> on server start it starts nfs-kernel-server so i think it uses nfs
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03:41 | <alkisg> ...and on /etc/exports you should have /opt/ltsp/i386
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03:44 | <peeeeet> :) ok it seem to work slow but it works
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03:44 | <alkisg> peeeeet: don't leave it with vesa
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03:45 | Do try to see what was the problem, and fix it...
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03:45 | E.g. lspci -nn to see the card, forced monitor timings etc
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03:46 | <alkisg> You can get a local shell by putting SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm in lts.conf
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03:46 | (and switching to vt2 with alt+ctrl+f2)
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03:47 | <peeeeet> alkisg: ok thank you for help now i can optimizing some thinks but system is fast only the xstart was a little bit slow nice im happy xD
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03:47 | <alkisg> You won't have xv and other things with vesa
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03:47 | <peeeeet> alkisg: i have no user to login on vt2
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03:47 | <alkisg> You don't need a user
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03:48 | The initscripts spawn a root shell if you do that
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03:48 | Also, nbd is lot faster at startup, you might want to switch to nbd if startup script is a problem...
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03:48 | *startup SPEED
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03:48 | <peeeeet> but when i switch with alt ctrl f2 i get ltsp login:
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03:49 | <alkisg> You *first* need to put the things I told you to lts.conf
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03:49 | then reboot the client,
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03:49 | and *then* you'll see the root shell there
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03:49 | (11:44:34 πμ) alkisg: You can get a local shell by putting SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm in lts.conf
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03:49 | (11:44:43 πμ) alkisg: (and switching to vt2 with alt+ctrl+f2)
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03:50 | <peeeeet> oh sorry
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03:50 | <alkisg> np
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03:58 | <peeeeet> VGA: Via Techno. INC CN700/P4M800 PRO/P4M800 CE/VN800 S3 UniChrome Pro rev01
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03:58 | Do you mean this row?
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03:58 | <alkisg> Uh yeah try to find Gadi later on, he knows about the via/unichrome problems...
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03:59 | <peeeeet> ok
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03:59 | <alkisg> You'll also need to show him your /var/log/Xorg.0.log there
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03:59 | (both when XSERVER=vesa is in effect, and when it isn't)
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03:59 | So scp it to the server, and keep it somewhere
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04:00 | <peeeeet> ok
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04:07 | thx i come back later
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04:12 | <Appiah> do you still need x_configure=true in lts.conf today for forcing a video driver, or is it only for resoultions?
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06:57 | <kdegel> morning
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07:11 | why are links from google to ltsp failing? is there something wrong with the ltsp site?
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07:13 | <cyberorg> kdegel, it seems to have moved here http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_Documentation
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07:14 | <Appiah> which one? :)
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07:15 | "You must be logged in to upload files."
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07:15 | and I just tried to access the PDF
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07:17 | 1462 days ago , haha feels like they just revived this SF page
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07:17 | I never seen ltsp on SF before
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07:17 | but its been there since 2001
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07:25 | <cyberorg> Appiah, everything seems to be moving back to sf
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07:28 | <kdegel> cyberorg: yeah google is still pointing to ltsp.org
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07:28 | thanks though
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07:32 | <pmatulis> do we have documentation for a 2nd dhcp server to serve only clients with specific MAC addresses?
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07:32 | <Appiah> ltsp.org links are pointing to sf
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08:04 | <kdegel> is there some missing information from the sf wiki?
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08:06 | <Appiah> considering they just moved it , It wouldnt suprise me if something was missing
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08:26 | <kdegel> Gadi:
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08:28 | I was wondering if you could clarify something for me, you had helped me get the dvi thin clients to work with ltsp and 9.10 and said that with 8.04 I would just need to replace one of the options with CONFIG_0 or something (I am searching my logs again to find specifices)
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08:28 | but I tried that and haven't been successful, is there something else I should be changing?
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08:30 | <Gadi> CONFIGURE_X=True
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08:30 | <kdegel> yup, thats it
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08:30 | I'm reading the old chat now
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08:32 | that instead of XRANDR_DISABLE right?
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08:32 | <Gadi> right
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08:33 | <kdegel> let me try this one more time, I have been playing with different settings all yesterday
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08:33 | <peeeeeet> Gadi: hello Gadi i have a problem with setting up my via/unichrome graphiccard on my ltsp clients can you help me ?
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08:33 | <Gadi> shoot
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08:33 | <peeeeeet> :)
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08:33 | <Gadi> or should I say: shoooooooot
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08:40 | <Gadi> peeeeeet: are you ok?
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08:40 | I didn't actually shoot
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08:40 | the gun wasnt loaded, I swear
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08:43 | <peeeeeet> Gadi: :) Yes iam ok but what can i do run my xserver without option vesa
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08:44 | * Gadi translates.... So far, the only way you can get video output is to use the vesa driver because the opensource openchrome driver is not working | |
08:44 | <peeeeeet> :(
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08:44 | noway?
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08:44 | <Gadi> I didnt say that
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08:44 | I am trying to understand the problem
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08:44 | :)
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08:45 | describe your video environment
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08:45 | asre you using dvi? widescreen?
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08:45 | which VIA chipset?
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08:45 | which distro?
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08:46 | * Gadi is like a doctor - I need to take the history | |
08:46 | <peeeeeet> i useing dvi 20 " widescreen on debian
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08:46 | via chipset :
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08:47 | VIA Techn. Inc CN700/P4M800 PRO/P4M800 CE/VN800 S3 Unichrome Pro rev01
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08:47 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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08:48 | <Gadi> peeeeeet: openchrome has issues with dvi
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08:48 | I recommend getting the proprietary driver
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08:48 | from
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08:48 | http://linux.via.com.tw/support/downloadFiles.action
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08:48 | and install it in the chroot
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08:48 | <kdegel> Gadi: thanks as always, I'm not sure what I was doing wrong before, probably just a mis-type
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08:50 | <peeeeeet> Gadi: ok i try
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08:50 | <Gadi> !s
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08:50 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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08:55 | <peeeeeet> Gadi: which product i should select there are for example CN700 Unichrome pro p4m800/ce/pro unichrome they are all matching with my graphic card
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09:02 | Gadi: i dont know how to install the downloaded driver
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10:23 | <jammcq> good morning friends
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10:25 | <alkisg> Hi jammcq... hey I'm curious, will all of ltsp.org be transferred to the sf site?
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10:29 | <jammcq> alkisg: yep
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10:29 | <alkisg> jammcq: maintainance reasons?
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10:29 | What about pastebot.ltsp.org?
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10:30 | <jammcq> hmm, dunno about the pastebot. I can't run that on the sf server
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10:30 | the old server that hosted ltsp.org is dead
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10:30 | so maybe scotty will host the pastebot
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10:31 | <alkisg> OK, thanks... google sites may also be of help, they support free domain hosting
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10:31 | I.e. you can put ltsp.org in a google site, and have wiki, google docs and all
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10:31 | <jammcq> yeah, they do, but there's funny rules, if you aren't a real "non profit" organization
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10:31 | <alkisg> Ouch
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10:31 | I thought they were more "free" than sf
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10:32 | <jammcq> sourceforge has gotten way better than it used to be
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10:32 | and I know many of the sf developers
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10:33 | <alkisg> Yeah the new wiki and forum services are fine
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10:34 | jammcq: you may want to consider opening the forums.. I think they'd be useful! :)
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10:34 | <jammcq> yeah, I should look at that
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10:35 | <sbalneav> Is the pastebot down?
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10:36 | yeah
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10:36 | <jammcq> sbalneav: yeah, it was hosted here in my office. when the server die, it took the pastebot with it
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10:37 | <kbelecke> alkisg: can you say me how i can mount an usb stick on a thinclient Option Localdev in lts.conf is = True
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10:51 | <alkisg> kbelecke: you shouldn't have to do anything for usb sticks to work
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10:54 | <kbelecke> but when i put the usb stick into the usb port there is no mounted usb stick
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10:55 | <kdegel> sbalneav: have you ever looked at removing the 'switch user' dialog from LTSP?
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10:55 | its not a function at all
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10:56 | when you choose the 'quit' button on the thin client, it asks for you to log off, lock screen, and switch user
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10:56 | <alkisg> kdegel: it was there in jaunty, it broke in karmic
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10:56 | There's a bug in launchpad for that
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10:57 | kbelecke: there's a troubleshooting process for usb sticks, but right now I don't have the time to help you with it...
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10:57 | <kbelecke> alkisg: sorry you are right it works -.- :)
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10:59 | <alkisg> :)
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11:02 | <sbalneav> kdegel: No, since it's not an ltsp thing
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11:02 | <kdegel> ahh true
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11:02 | alkisg: I'm on hardy
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11:02 | right now
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11:02 | <alkisg> sbalneav: they had a patch for that in jaunty
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11:02 | (from ltsp, for fast-user-switch-applet)
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11:03 | <kdegel> sbalneav: I'm looking now how I can remove those options, our users aren't that smart haha
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11:03 | <johnny> it'd be nice to make it work..
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11:03 | <alkisg> But now in Karmic it doesn't work anymore, since indicator-applet is used instead of fusa
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11:03 | <johnny> technically it could work.. if we handle the proper dbus stuff i think..
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11:03 | <sbalneav> I think the entire concept of fast user switch is so incredibly stupid.
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11:03 | <johnny> how so?
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11:03 | <sbalneav> log out
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11:03 | log in
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11:03 | <johnny> what if you want to leave some programs running?
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11:03 | <sbalneav> I don't
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11:04 | <alkisg> I do :)
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11:04 | <johnny> you don't yes
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11:04 | <sbalneav> good
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11:04 | <johnny> but the point is the people who do :)
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11:04 | <sbalneav> then you fix the bug
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11:04 | <alkisg> Heh :)
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11:04 | <sbalneav> I've got, like 0 interest in it.
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11:04 | <alkisg> I knew he had me somewhere... :D
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11:04 | <sbalneav> I always do :)
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11:05 | "Not My Itch" :)
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11:05 | <alkisg> I guess your wife never wants to do something quick in your laptop, eh?
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11:05 | <sbalneav> $600 solved that problem. She'd got her own :)
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11:06 | <alkisg> Sure, I also got one for my wife, but she insists on feeding our smaller kid in my laptop!
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11:06 | (it's closer to the kitchen :))
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11:06 | (and can do flash better)
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11:15 | <dro> alkisg: do what I do in that situation, make your password super hard to type like C0ntr0l.!^ and make her type it each time, and lock your laptop when you're done, she'll quit using it lol
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11:16 | i do however like the idea of fast user switching
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11:17 | at work, i setup users for different roles. An example of that is I have a software user. That account holds all the software licenses that we've bought.
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11:18 | <johnny> anybody use exim for mail?
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11:19 | <sbalneav> johnny: used to, switched to postfix
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11:20 | But I think I even have an exim book somewhere
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11:21 | johnny: Want an exim book?
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11:21 | <johnny> no
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11:21 | i just want to know what this log entry means
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11:21 | <sbalneav> shoot
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11:22 | <johnny> 009-11-19 00:08:22 1NAzFi-0003JO-Dn ** someaddy@example.org <anotheraddy@example.org> R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp: SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data: host mx1.seidata.com [206.162.192.101]: 550 5.7.1 Blocked by SpamAssassin
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11:22 | * sbalneav grabs his notes | |
11:22 | <johnny> i can't tell where that error came from :)
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11:22 | that is the error their server is sending me?
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11:22 | <sbalneav> yeah
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11:22 | <johnny> ok.. problem tracked down
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11:22 | thanks
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11:22 | <sbalneav> their remote server blocked yours.
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11:24 | <kdegel> so the man pages says that gnome-session-save --kill --silent will work for loggin off, which it does...just be better if there was a way to confirm it
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11:54 | <kbelecke> :( the xserver start with versa is sooo slow
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11:55 | vesa
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12:51 | <ftherese> italc installed in the thin client following the instructions at ubuntu community docs causes a nbd9 failure at the end of boot seq in the thin client
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12:52 | I tried copying the keys from the servers /etc/italc/keys
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12:52 | that still didn't work
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12:52 | I had it successfully installed on three other servers, but I tried to rebuild the thin client on the fourth from scratch
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12:53 | and anytime I add italc-client to the thin client chroot it can no longer boot
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12:53 | completely
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12:53 | removing italc-client and updating the image causes it to work again
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12:53 | <johnny> aren't you not supposed to add it to the client at all?
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12:53 | alkisg, ?
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12:54 | <ftherese> that isn't what the documentation says
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12:54 | plus, it is installed on the others
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12:54 | <alkisg> I tried to advice ftherese about this before, but I got no answer, so I gave up
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12:54 | <ftherese> I must have gotten disconnected
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12:54 | <alkisg> Well.... why do you want to install italc to the chroot?
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12:55 | <ftherese> because that is what the directions say... install italc-client in the chroot
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12:55 | <alkisg> OK, then just ignore this particular wiki page
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12:55 | If you don't have specific reasons to install it to the chroot, then you really shouldn't.
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12:56 | <ftherese> so it works automatically with the lts.conf setting?
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12:56 | and why don't my other thin client images have the same problem?
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12:56 | they have it installed
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12:56 | <alkisg> No lts.conf setting is needed
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12:57 | You just install italc-master, and nothing else. Nothing. At all.
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12:57 | <ftherese> ok... I will request ubuntu community docs to remove that documentation page then
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12:58 | <alkisg> ftherese: no, better try reading it again
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12:58 | It says "There are two methods of installation - Server-side and in the thin-client chroot. Server-side has the advantage of being simpler to setup and uses less RAM on the thin client. Installation in the thin-client chroot allows for control of clients prior to login; server-side does not."
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12:58 | There *are* reasons to install it to the chroot. But you should only do that if you have those reasons
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13:00 | <ftherese> I apologize for being dense... thank you for answering my question... I would still like to know why it works on my other ltsp thin clients though
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13:00 | <alkisg> That would need troubleshooting
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13:01 | <ftherese> and why it doesn't work after following the instructions... unless I missed a step...
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13:01 | <alkisg> It's possible that the instructions have problems
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13:01 | I've never followed them
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13:01 | <ftherese> have there been any changes in the past few months?
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13:01 | <alkisg> I think Blinny was the main author of that page, after I walked him through the installation...
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13:02 | <alkisg> But I never even read the whole thing
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13:04 | <ftherese> ok... if I need more control over the clients I will come back then
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13:04 | thank you again
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13:04 | <alkisg> The difference is in the login screen
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13:04 | E.g. with a local italc, you could reboot or shutdown the clients, while they're sitting on ldm
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13:04 | (i'm not sure if that actually works, though)
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13:05 | <ftherese> so if all of the thin clients automatically log in
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13:05 | this would not be an issue
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13:05 | <alkisg> Other than than, when the users do login, using a "server" italc actually uses less bandwidth
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13:05 | ...and it's much easier to administer
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13:05 | <ftherese> ok
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13:06 | <alkisg> ftherese: think about it, make your desicion, and if you still need troubleshooting, ping me :)
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14:20 | <alkisg> I'm making an ubuntu remix with live ltsp on it, what's the correct phrase? "Ubuntu Education Remix" or "Ubuntu Educational Remix"?
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14:21 | <Gadi> the first
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14:21 | and you can call it UbER
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14:21 | ;)
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14:21 | <alkisg> Danke :)
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14:21 | I'm thinking "ruler"
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14:21 | Ruler is Ubuntu Ltsp Educational Remix :P
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14:21 | *education
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14:22 | <Gadi> cute
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14:24 | <alkisg> Hmmm 994 Mb, not bad, considering it has the whole chroot and image and wine and other stuff...
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14:26 | <Gadi> alkisg: if you ship just the image without the chroot, you can save a lot of space
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14:26 | and fit it on a CD
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14:26 | <johnny> hmm..
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14:26 | <alkisg> Nah squashfs removes all the duplicate files
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14:26 | And the chroot is mostly duplicate files of /
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14:27 | So it'd be better if I removed the image, and used nfs, or even if I generated the image on the fly
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14:27 | <johnny> so.. who wants to fund a developer to fix win to use global location for apps :)
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14:27 | wine*
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14:27 | <alkisg> Ah, you got me worried :)
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14:28 | <Gadi> johnny: a bit of WINEPREFIX and unionfs magic should help with that
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14:28 | <alkisg> I thought you were thinking about creating a repository for windows apps :P :D
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14:28 | <johnny> no.. i mean for real Gadi
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14:28 | c'mon
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14:28 | tha'ts not a real solution
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14:28 | <alkisg> johnny: would the upstream devs accept such a patch?
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14:28 | <johnny> question is.. why wouldn't they
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14:28 | <alkisg> Aren't they making money by selling this?
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14:29 | <johnny> wine?
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14:29 | or do you mean crossover
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14:29 | <alkisg> Yeah I think that's the name...
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14:29 | <johnny> if that was the case
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14:29 | <alkisg> Doesn't crossover over this?
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14:29 | <johnny> then i bet the distros would package this patch
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14:29 | even if wine doesn't
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14:29 | <Gadi> johnny: how are you gonna have multiple apps writing to the same drive_c without stepping over each other?
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14:29 | <johnny> uhmm.. the same way it works on windows?
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14:30 | <Gadi> on windows, they call it terminal services ;)
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14:30 | <johnny> obviously the home directcory would be the same ~/.wine
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14:30 | <Gadi> or remote desktop services now
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14:30 | <johnny> ~/ is the same as Documents and Settings/suer
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14:30 | <alkisg> A common system.reg, C:\Windows, and C:\Program files should suffice for most of the cases...
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14:30 | <johnny> exactly
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14:30 | just point them at /opt/wine/
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14:31 | <alkisg> But you'd also need an "administrator" user, with write access there
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14:32 | <johnny> it's called root
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14:32 | lol
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14:32 | <alkisg> You'd force them to setup wine apps as root?
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14:33 | <johnny> if not.. install them locally
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14:33 | like is done now
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14:33 | right?
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14:33 | /me fails to see how this seems difficult
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14:33 | am i missing something
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14:33 | <alkisg> root usually doesn't have a gui...
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14:34 | But with sudo it should be ok
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14:34 | <johnny> yes..
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14:34 | or gksudo
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14:34 | whatever
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14:36 | <alkisg> I was thinking to do something similar, but with symlinks
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14:37 | e.g. /root/.wine/drive_c/windows would be a symlink to /opt/wine/drive_c/windows
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14:37 | <johnny> but then you couldn't install apps either locally or remotely
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14:37 | you really need to have a search path
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14:37 | <alkisg> And ~/.wine/drive_c/windows would also be a symlink there (read only folder of course)
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14:38 | <Gadi> alkisg: ++
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14:38 | <alkisg> And ~/.wine/userdef.reg would NOT be a symlink, so that each user had his own settings
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14:38 | but ~/.wine/system.reg would be a symlink to /opt/wine/system.reg
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14:39 | That would need only patching to the wine-prefix-installer what's-its-name
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14:39 | The problem is, system.reg is being written as a regular file after wine exits
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14:40 | (the symlinking is broken)
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14:40 | OK, somehow that could be worked around
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14:40 | <alkisg> I actually tried that manually, and it seemed to work fine
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14:43 | Heh, live ltsp, plug 'n' play!!! dnsmasq rocks! :)
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15:04 | <alkisg> !paste
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15:04 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "paste" is try !pastebot
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15:04 | <alkisg> !pastebin
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15:04 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "pastebin" is try !pastebot
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15:05 | <alkisg> !pastebot
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15:05 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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15:05 | <alkisg> (I hope noone minds...)
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15:05 | !forget pastebot
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15:05 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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15:06 | <alkisg> !learn pastebot as The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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15:06 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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15:06 | <alkisg> !pastebot
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15:06 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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15:12 | <chrisinajar> pastebot++
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15:52 | <johnny> how can i force remove everything in /media on the server
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15:52 | the directories are all mixed up
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15:56 | <alkisg> ? you mean like umount -lf, or like rm -rf?
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15:58 | <johnny> rm -rf
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16:02 | <sbalneav> rm -rf / media <-- JOKE DO NOT DO THIS!!
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16:05 | <sbalneav> thank heavens for gpg-agent.
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17:37 | <scottmaccal> sbalneav: Do you mind if I write you an email with some questions? I remember you telling me I could ask you anything at LTSP by the sea ;-)
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17:37 | I know you are wicked busy too.
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18:12 | <Lns> sbalneav: you rock w/the fixing on cups. Cheers to you
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18:12 | been following the bug
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