IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 26 February 2014 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:09 | <andygraybeal> vagrantc, :))
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| 05:14 | <alkisg> vagrantc: debhelper 9 is actually needed? ltsp won't build in 10.04/squeeze without backports anymore... I'm just asking though, I don't need to build it there...
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| 07:39 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it's not actually needed, but i'd rather migrate towards the present
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| 07:40 | <alkisg> vagrantc: but why change the requirements to something more recent, when it's not needeed?
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| 07:40 | <vagrantc> alkisg: at least for debian, the backports are available
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| 07:40 | alkisg: less code to maintain?
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| 07:40 | <alkisg> Ah, there were actual changes that need debhelper 9?
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| 07:40 | I thought it was just a version bump...
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| 07:41 | <vagrantc> yes, dropped all the dpkg-buildflags calls
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| 07:41 | debian/rules is much easier to read
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| 07:41 | <alkisg> Ah, OK. So, for e.g. the 5 GB of our own greek packages here, if we don't need any debhelper 9 features, we never need to bump its version, right?
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| 07:42 | <vagrantc> i think you could get away with just downgrading the debian/compat and debhelper dependency ... i think dpkg-buildflags was a no-op on squeeze anyways
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| 07:43 | 5GB of your own packages?
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| 07:43 | <alkisg> Yeah we have a repository of greek educational software that we packaged in .deb form
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| 07:43 | <vagrantc> so, clearly i didn't get to ltsp upload today ... but it's pretty close
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| 07:44 | yeah, you don't typically need to bump debian/compat unless your current packaging needs it
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| 07:44 | the newer versions often make it possible to simplify debian/rules ...
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| 07:45 | * vagrantc isn't generally willing to support anything older than oldstable | |
| 07:45 | <alkisg> Our debian/rules mostly is just 2 lines...: %: dh $@
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| 07:45 | <vagrantc> alkisg: those are the best!
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| 07:46 | <alkisg> That specific repository aims to support as many debian-originated distros as possible... debian, ubuntu, mint... and any versions of them... so we try to keep things as simple and conservative as we can there
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| 07:47 | <vagrantc> that's understandable
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| 07:47 | <alkisg> !vagrant-todo
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| 07:47 | <ltsp`> vagrant-todo: pxemenus
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| 07:47 | <alkisg> Nah
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| 07:47 | So, we don't have anything left for ltsp 5.5.1, right?
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| 07:47 | <vagrantc> forget vagrant-todo
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| 07:47 | !forget vagrant-todo
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| 07:47 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 07:48 | <vagrantc> alkisg: not really. I found a few bugs i was planning on fixing 1-2 debian stable releases ago... :)
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| 07:48 | <alkisg> Haha
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| 07:48 | <vagrantc> and also had two servers with 192.168.67.1 on one network which really confused me with my initial testing today
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| 07:49 | the classic "why is it not respecting changes to lts.conf" ... "oh, because it's booting to a different server" ... which also explained why mouse and keyboard was broken- mismatched kernel versions
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| 07:50 | took me probably 2 hours to figure that out
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| 07:50 | <alkisg> ...they happened to have 67.x, or they were assigned by you because they're ltsp servers?
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| 07:50 | <vagrantc> barring disaster, i'll get to it
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| 07:50 | * alkisg had hoped 67.x would be a bit rare... | |
| 07:51 | <vagrantc> alkisg: they were both part of my ltsp test environments, i just forgot they were both on the same (virtual) network
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| 07:51 | <alkisg> Good :)
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| 08:04 | <vagrantc> alkisg: we don't need the update-inetd in ltsp anymore, do we?
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| 08:04 | <alkisg> Right, we don't
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| 08:05 | * alkisg also wonders why he still has: 9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd | |
| 08:05 | <vagrantc> it's used to enable nbdswapd, but we use name based swap now...
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| 08:06 | <vagrantc> ldm-server still uses it for ldminfod
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| 08:07 | hrm. but we still have it in postrm, too
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| 08:08 | i.e. removing the old package stuff...
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| 08:08 | but i think the old packages should handle that...
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| 08:09 | <alkisg> ltsp-server.postinst: update-inetd --group LTSP --add "9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd"
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| 08:09 | ...I mean, shouldn't we remove that now?
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| 08:09 | <vagrantc> right, that can go for sure
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| 08:09 | <alkisg> And remove the update-inetd dependency...
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| 08:09 | <vagrantc> but the postrm code still should remove 9572 if it's present
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| 08:10 | er, 9571
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| 08:10 | hrm.
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| 08:10 | <alkisg> So we can't remove update-inetd yet, ok
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| 08:10 | Remove 9572 from postinst, add it to postrm
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| 08:11 | <vagrantc> i think we can rely on update-inetd being present from the old install... at least enough to leave out the dependency
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| 08:11 | <alkisg> apt-get purge --auto-remove will remove it though
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| 08:11 | <vagrantc> if we conditionally update the remove parts to not explode if update-inetd isn't present
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| 08:12 | i think it calls postrm as part of the upgrade process
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| 08:12 | * vagrantc forgets what 9571 is/was | |
| 08:13 | <alkisg> ldminfod/ltsp-server?
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| 08:13 | *ldm-server
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| 08:13 | <vagrantc> hah. it's ldminfod
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| 08:13 | i think we've got some messed up scripts ...
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| 08:14 | <vagrantc> or maybe ldminfod was shipped in ltsp for a time?
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| 08:14 | ages ago, yup.
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| 08:15 | so, we may have a bit of a mess with update-inetd ...
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| 08:18 | <alkisg> Meh another teacher reports that wait_for_udev still isn't good enough for him...
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| 08:18 | A hack that would overload configure_networking() would be the best approach, until initramfs-tools provided a good hook
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| 08:19 | <vagrantc> meh. looks like we need to keep update-inetd around just to remove our old cruft.
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| 08:19 | <alkisg> I can implement that hack, and it would be the most safer approach, but you wouldn't like it because it's a hack... would you agree in committing it though? :)
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| 08:19 | <vagrantc> https://wiki.debian.org/MaintainerScripts
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| 08:19 | hrm.
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| 08:19 | how ugly is it?
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| 08:19 | and what's the issue?
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| 08:20 | <alkisg> The issue is that the devices are not available in init-premount
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| 08:20 | So we need to wait until they're ready, possibly while also triggering udev events
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| 08:21 | But, what I'd like to do is move udhcp from init-premount to be called the first time configure_networking is called
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| 08:21 | I.e. in local-top or in nfs-top etc
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| 08:21 | initramfs-tools doesn't provide a good hook to do that
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| 08:21 | So I'd need to fool it in a hackish way
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| 08:21 | <vagrantc> right
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| 08:22 | <alkisg> E.g. I'd use the params.conf results script to fool it
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| 08:22 | * vagrantc -> sleep | |
| 08:22 | <alkisg> Which would work fine for all previous versions of initramfs tools, and possibly many future versions too, but it wouldn't be guaranteed...
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| 08:22 | Good night vagrantc
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| 08:24 | <vagrantc> i think if we put a preinst upgrade to handle it, it should work out ok...
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| 08:25 | then update-inetd will still be available from the old version, it removes them, and then everything is happy again.
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| 08:25 | <alkisg> Or we can just use sed -d :P
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| 08:26 | sed '///d'
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| 08:26 | <vagrantc> the current ltsp-server package disables ldminfod on removal ... but ldminfod is currently installed by ldm-server ... messy.
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| 08:31 | * vagrantc will need to set up piparts one of these days for package upgrade torturing | |
| 08:31 | <vagrantc> piuparts
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| 08:32 | <alkisg> :)
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| 13:20 | <matthias_arch> hi, how can i let my user run a sudo programm without a password on my fat clients? i edited the sudoers file with visudo, but there is still a password prompt on the clients machine
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| 13:21 | http://pastebin.com/Lwxjjxcd
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| 13:31 | everything solved, thanks
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| 14:18 | <datube> Hi, I'm setting up an Ubuntu 12.04 LTSP Cluster. I'm having troubles enabling NBD swap. Followed: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/EnableNBDSWAP. Added "NBD_SWAP" to cluster-controller, but with no luck.
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| 14:18 | added some debugging to (chroot) /usr/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d but the variables defined on cluster-controller are not available in those scripts during executing (boot). Am I missing something?
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| 14:19 | Very much thanks for any help
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| 15:13 | <hydruid> Good Morning All
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| 15:13 | I have a brand new ltsp server setup, getting tftp timeout :(
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| 15:13 | verified the tftp service was running and was able to download pxelinux.0 with a tftp client from another server
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| 15:14 | any tips?
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| 15:36 | <hydruid> I have a brand new ltsp server setup, getting tftp timeout
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| 17:02 | <hydruid> Anyone have experience with setting up LTSP with a juniper DHCP server?
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| 17:02 | <datube> Hi all, hopefully someone will/can help me. I've installed a 12.04 cluster. Basic setup. I cannot get NBD_SWAP to work. cluster controller has NBD_SWAP="True". Did some debugging in client (chroot), but on boot controller variables (like NBD_SWAP) are not available in scripts from 'init-ltsp.d'. Any pointers on this? Thanks for any help!
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| 17:49 | <vagrantc> work_alkisg: i'm kind of thinking we should drop nbdswapd and nbdrootd from the packaging, if not from upstream
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| 18:23 | * alkisg waves to vagrantc | |
| 18:24 | <alkisg> nbdswapd is what the new nbd-swap server calls, as directed from swap.conf, to create the swap file
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| 18:24 | <vagrantc> given tthat i found some crufty junk in the maintainer scripts, i decided to review all that stuff
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| 18:24 | alkisg: ok, so we don'tt remove that! :)
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| 18:24 | <alkisg> The old style swap can be removed, but not the new style
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| 18:25 | So nbdswapd can be simplified very very much, but not removed
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| 18:25 | It can also go in /usr/share/ltsp, if we want
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| 18:25 | So that it's no longer a user command
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| 18:26 | ...although on second thought, its new role is no longer a "d", daemon
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| 18:26 | So maybe rename it to /usr/share/ltsp/mkswap...
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| 18:29 | <vagrantc> greatly simplified would be good
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| 18:29 | <alkisg> /etc/ltsp/nbdswapd can also be renamed by a command line parameter, e.g. `/usr/share/ltsp/mkswap 512`
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| 18:29 | <vagrantc> alkisg: renaming it will require updating existing nbd-server config files...
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| 18:29 | <alkisg> That command is in /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/swap.conf anyway, i.e. it's in a conffile
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| 18:30 | Ahm not a conffile, sorry, a config file in etc
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| 18:30 | <vagrantc> either way, it's troublesome to update
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| 18:30 | <alkisg> We can symlink it for now
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| 18:30 | <vagrantc> ah, good forward-thinking
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| 18:30 | <alkisg> I.e. keep the old-style nbdswapd symlink for compatibility with existing installations
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| 18:31 | <vagrantc> update ltsp-config to move to the new location
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| 18:31 | <alkisg> Right
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| 18:31 | <vagrantc> might be more work than i was hoping to do today, but might be better to move in the right direction sooner than later, if all this cruft is any indication
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| 18:31 | <alkisg> We can also postpone it for ltsp6
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| 18:32 | Where we'll break compatibility in a lot of places
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| 18:32 | So sysadmins will need some time to revisit their setup anyways
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| 18:32 | <vagrantc> might be best...
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| 18:32 | but we could simplify it for now
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| 18:32 | <alkisg> And stop supporting inetd?
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| 18:33 | E.g. suppose someone has a squeeze chroot that doesn't support name-based swap
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| 18:34 | <vagrantc> stick it to em
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| 18:34 | * alkisg would probably postpone that (the simplification) for ltsp 6 too... | |
| 18:34 | <vagrantc> ok, so i've stopped supporting it in the packaging, but they could manually add it
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| 18:34 | <alkisg> datube: nbd swap works out of the box
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| 18:35 | vagrantc: if someone has it, do you remove it?
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| 18:35 | <vagrantc> our support in the packaging was kind of half-assed
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| 18:35 | <alkisg> On upgrade?
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| 18:35 | <vagrantc> alkisg: no, i don't do anything
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| 18:35 | <alkisg> OK, I still have that in trusty
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| 18:36 | * vagrantc hopes stgraber will merge these changes... | |
| 18:36 | <alkisg> When are you planning on tagging a new version/
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| 18:36 | ?
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| 18:36 | <vagrantc> any second now
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| 18:36 | whicch probably means the next couple hours
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| 18:36 | <alkisg> Haha
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| 18:36 | <vagrantc> i keep finding more cruft
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| 18:37 | like, several postinst/postrm scripts do nothing
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| 18:37 | well, maybe technically not nothing, but i'm going to check if dh 9 fills in the blanks for us now, rather than requiring a stub
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| 18:38 | alkisg: so, you think we should leave nbdrootd in for squeeze installs as well?
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| 18:38 | <alkisg> dh 7 didn't require postinst/postrm scripts...
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| 18:38 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it didn't require it, but there were some lintian warnings ... or maybe that was from even longer ago
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| 18:39 | <alkisg> I think I would just stop adding nbdrootd to inetd.conf, nothing more....
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| 18:39 | * vagrantc glares at nbd-proxy | |
| 18:39 | <alkisg> kill it kill it :P
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| 18:39 | If someone uses it, let him send a patch for xnbd
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| 18:39 | <vagrantc> alkisg: we haven't done that since squeeze ... although i was thinking we leave nbdrootd out of the 5.5.x packkages ... you're thinking we should leave it in?
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| 18:40 | <alkisg> (08:39:48 μμ) vagrantc: alkisg: we haven't done that since squeeze ==> put nbdswapd in inetd?
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| 18:40 | That's what I have in 14.04 now
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| 18:40 | Isn't that what we were talking about last night?
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| 18:41 | 9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd
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| 18:42 | Meh
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| 18:42 | Sorry vagrantc my bad
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| 18:42 | You were saying nbdrootd and I was reading nbdswapd
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| 18:42 | Let me re-read all of it...
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| 18:43 | Wow it even has a man page :P
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| 18:43 | <vagrantc> yup
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| 18:43 | <alkisg> Sure, kill it
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| 18:43 | It's just 1 line, if someone wants it, he can copy it
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| 18:43 | We haven't used it in years, no need for upgrade paths here...
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| 18:44 | <vagrantc> yay.
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| 22:50 | <Leolo_3> kernel: ldm[28747]: segfault at 8 ip 0000000000404134 sp 00007ffffeaa1da0 error 4 in ldm[400000+7000]
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