IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 27 March 2013 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | * vagrantc makes a note to tone down the description of ltsp-client* packages | |
| 00:01 | <gbaman> :)
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| 00:03 | ok, so install the packages, edit boot file, add ssh keys, check ldm server and boot pi...
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| 00:03 | them it should work?
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| 00:03 | <vagrantc> approximately ... might be some glitch missing :)
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| 00:04 | <gbaman> well, at least you cant brick a pi
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| 00:04 | and it takes 3 mins to reload rasbian back onto the sd card
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| 00:04 | <vagrantc> oh, the rpi kernel may not have aufs support
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| 00:04 | <gbaman> ...
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| 00:05 | it can never be that easy...
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| 00:05 | <vagrantc> the one shipped by the foundation had a lot of features disabled ... that's why i ended up getting the linux-image-*-rpi packages available for raspbian
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| 00:06 | but those may require older firmwares, since they're linux version 3.2 vs. 3.6 (i think that's what they are now)
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| 00:07 | <gbaman> so... this means... it will either work or will never work?
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| 00:07 | <vagrantc> it's a work in progress :)
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| 00:07 | maybe i'll take a look at the state of things this weekend
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| 00:08 | * vagrantc never did document running LTSP on the RPI like promised | |
| 00:08 | <gbaman> i need to present this to a local school in about 2 weeks time
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| 00:08 | persuade them to get raspberry pis
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| 00:08 | <vagrantc> everyone's always in a rush...
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| 00:08 | <gbaman> and this is something they will complain about
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| 00:09 | important coursework on raspberry pi sd cards never goes well
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| 00:10 | could one not just recompile the kernal with aufs enabled?
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| 00:10 | or is it a little more complicated than that?
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| 00:11 | take into account i am from a windows/mac environment and been using th pi as my intro to linux
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| 00:11 | so new to all this
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| 00:12 | <vagrantc> you could recompile the kernel till you get all the needed features ... that'll take some long cycles.
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| 00:13 | <gbaman> cycles?
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| 00:13 | <vagrantc> you won't get it right the first try, and takes hours for each build
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| 00:13 | a slow development cycle
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| 00:15 | <gbaman> what about?
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| 00:15 | <vagrantc> compiling the kernel
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| 00:15 | <gbaman> http://rpitc.blogspot.co.uk/p/kernel-rebuild.html?m=1
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| 00:15 | sorry, link wasnt copying
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| 00:22 | <gbaman> is that looking right?
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| 00:22 | <vagrantc> sorry, don't have time to go over more right now
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| 00:24 | <gbaman> ok, well i will try the ltsp-client stuff first, if it fails i will try that guide, if it then fails i will come back.
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| 00:24 | <gbaman> and if it works, i will come back and let you know
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| 00:25 | anyways,i am off, thanks vagrantc, you have been very helpful
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| 12:13 | <ltspuser_81> Hi
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| 12:13 | I want to mount a windows share at user's login
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| 12:13 | I'm using Ubuntu 12.04
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| 12:13 | and a ldm session
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| 12:14 | I want to know if it's possible to add the command to a file where I have the login information
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| 12:14 | when the user insert the credentials at the greeter I want to use that and mount the share
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| 12:15 | it's possible?
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| 12:15 | where I can add the mount command?
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| 12:30 | <dievel> Hi Hyperbyte. Dumb question...can my LTSP act as a a gateway between the thin client network and the "local" network?
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| 12:31 | <laurense> my edubuntu installation did that automatically
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| 12:33 | hmm, maybe i am incorrect
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| 12:33 | don't mind me
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| 12:37 | <Hyperbyte> dievel, sure.
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| 12:37 | <ltspuser_81> where are the LDM init scripts?
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| 12:38 | the ones that starts with I, S or K depending on when you want them to run
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| 12:38 | <Hyperbyte> dievel, you have two network cards in your server, configured for both networks?
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| 12:38 | ltspuser_81, /usr/share/ldm/ in the client chroot.
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| 12:38 | <ltspuser_81> thks Hyperbyte
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| 12:38 | did you saw my last question?
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| 12:39 | <Hyperbyte> Yep.
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| 12:39 | <ltspuser_81> do you know anything about that?
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| 12:39 | <Hyperbyte> Nope.
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| 12:39 | <ltspuser_81> ok
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| 12:39 | <Hyperbyte> Else I would've answered. :)
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| 12:39 | <ltspuser_81> thks anyway ;)
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| 12:39 | :)
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| 12:39 | <Hyperbyte> You could ask your question again later, when alkisg is around.
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| 12:39 | He's the LTSP oracle.
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| 12:39 | <ltspuser_81> ok
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| 12:39 | I will try
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| 12:39 | I know :P
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| 12:43 | <ltspuser_81> what it means the I,X,S and K on /uss/share/ldm/rc.d/ of the chroot?
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| 12:44 | <dievel> Hyperbyte, I have basically the default configuration. One interface on a local lan and the second one (eth1) on a separate network with the thin client.
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| 12:46 | On the Thin client network I have a printer that I should make available to the lan clients.
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| 12:47 | Normally I can do this but I'm not sure it's wise in a LTSP environment :)
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| 12:57 | <Hyperbyte> dievel, I don't think it will matter
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| 12:58 | But, have you considered just making the LTSP server a print server?
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| 13:02 | <dievel> No, I did not considered that. But in the same way, a notebook that connect to the Thin Client network is asked to reach the Internet.
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| 13:02 | <dievel> So the needed routing is in both ways :)
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| 13:02 | <Hyperbyte> dievel, well you could just enable ipv4 routing. Since you said you can do this normally, I figure you know how?
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| 13:03 | <dievel> Hyperbyte, I see /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward is already at "1". Is there something else?
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| 13:03 | <Hyperbyte> Routing is always both ways, by the way, network communication involves a lot of negotiating between devices back-and-forth. One way routing is not useful. :)
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| 13:04 | dievel, shouldn't be. Can you ping hosts in network B from network A?
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| 13:05 | <dievel> Hyperbyte You are right :) I'm doing some test now.
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| 13:06 | <Hyperbyte> If you can't ping from A to B and vice-versa, the hosts probably do not have the correct default route gateway set.
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| 13:08 | <ltspuser_70> hey guys, where is the lts.conf meant to be stored when ltsp-client is installed on an already in place OS?
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| 13:08 | <ltspuser_22> hi
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| 13:09 | i want no know about xp booting via ltsp
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| 13:09 | <dievel> Hyperbyte...well...I need more time because I have also another firewall between me and my LTSP. Nothing is easy :) As usual!
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| 13:09 | <ltspuser_22> is there any commercial product based on ltsp?
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| 13:38 | <gbaman> anyone had experience with an LTSP fat client on an installed OS, aka not netbooting?
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| 13:39 | <gbaman> using the ltsp-client packages
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| 13:41 | <jammcq> good morning friends
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| 13:41 | <gbaman> anyone?
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| 13:45 | <alkisg> Hi jammcq
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| 13:45 | gbaman: it's just a matter of a few lines in the initramfs
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| 13:45 | But that's not what you want
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| 13:45 | What you want is central authentication + home, not central configuration from lts.conf etc etc
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| 13:46 | So you're basically looking for setting up NFS /home, and for sbalneav's libpam_sshauth
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| 13:46 | That one will allow you to use server-side users, locally
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| 13:46 | <gbaman> I think that is what I want...
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| 13:46 | <alkisg> And for handling updates etc, I suggest you look at cluster-ssh
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| 13:47 | libpam_sshauth is a very new project, but it does exactly what you need
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| 13:47 | So I'd suggest you start with NFS /home first, and then follow the LTSP wiki page for libpam_sshauth
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| 13:50 | <alkisg> The LTSP approach to what you're saying, would be to (1) netboot a client, (2) copy i386.img locally, and (3) use the local i386.img copy for subsequent boots, for low-speed networks
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| 13:50 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 13:50 | <ltspuser_41> I create Two Images and ı want to delete one of them , any one have an Idea how to delete ımage after creatıon wıth "ltsp-build-client-
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| 13:51 | <sbalneav> ltspuser_41: Using rm?
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| 13:52 | <ltspuser_41> rm -r the dırectory that conatine the image
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| 13:52 | <sbalneav> jammcq: Morning
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| 13:52 | alkisg: Morning.
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| 13:56 | <gbaman> alkisg, the reason I want to do it this way is I am wanting network users (like roaming profiles) for a classroom of raspberry pis
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| 13:56 | raspberry pis cant netboot
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| 13:56 | <jammcq> sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 13:57 | <gbaman> so building the OS for them and having it on their sd card is much smarter
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| 13:57 | <alkisg> Hey Scotty
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| 13:57 | <alkisg> gbaman: what local storage do PIs have?
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| 13:57 | * ogra_ is sure the RPi can netboot just as well as a beagleboard or a pandaboard ... you just need kernel and initrd locally | |
| 13:57 | <gbaman> And I have already looked into setting up network users with LDAP and samba etc but it is looking crazy complicated, LTSP already has a perfect system for it
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| 13:57 | they run of an sd card
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| 13:58 | <alkisg> Which you pay separately?
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| 13:58 | <gbaman> you mean buy seperately? yes
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| 13:58 | <alkisg> Then it's not worth it, network root is better
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| 13:58 | <ogra_> alkisg, it works the same way as any NANDless arm device
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| 13:59 | <ogra_> put kernel and ltsp'ified initrd on the SD and be done
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| 13:59 | * gbaman is still very new to linux and network root means nothing to him :) | |
| 13:59 | <alkisg> gbaman: how many clients?
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| 13:59 | <gbaman> 20ish
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| 13:59 | <ogra_> (and set the proper boot options on the kernel cmdline)
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| 13:59 | <gbaman> between 15-20
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| 13:59 | also, their ethernet ports are 10/100, not gigabit
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| 13:59 | <alkisg> Do you have a server with a gigabit NIC, and some Gb space, and a switch with 1 gigabit port/
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| 13:59 | ?
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| 14:00 | <gbaman> yes
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| 14:00 | but
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| 14:00 | we dont want thin clients
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| 14:00 | <alkisg> LTSP supports fat clients too
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| 14:00 | <gbaman> just in case you were going that direction
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| 14:00 | fat clients with the pi?
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| 14:00 | <alkisg> Sure
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| 14:00 | <dievel> Hyperbyte, it works. Just to let you know. Thx ;)
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| 14:00 | <gbaman> well, that is what I want, but the image to be stored on the pi
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| 14:01 | the entire OS on the pi
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| 14:01 | <alkisg> Why? It'll be slower
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| 14:01 | <gbaman> we want to use local power and local hardware
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| 14:01 | thin clients wouldnt work
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| 14:01 | <alkisg> LTSP fat clients use local power and local hardware
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| 14:01 | <gbaman> I also dont want to be hammering the network each time they turn on
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| 14:02 | <alkisg> (although pi is very low-spec'ed to be a fat client, or for local os installations, but that's another story)
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| 14:02 | <gbaman> they will be turned on all at one time
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| 14:02 | <alkisg> Yeah, it'll still be faster to netboot them than to boot them locally
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| 14:02 | <gbaman> and the pi already has a slow boot
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| 14:02 | ?
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| 14:03 | I would doubt netbooting a classroom of pis would be faster than local booting them
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| 14:03 | the server hardware available wont be fast
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| 14:03 | <alkisg> The last real benchmarks I did with fat clients vs local installations: local boot 50 secs, netboot 12 secs. For a classroom of 12 fat clients.
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| 14:03 | That was with Ubuntu 10.04, now 12.04 is a bit slower.
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| 14:04 | <alkisg> You don't need a fast server for fat clients. Just a bit of RAM to cache the i386.img image.
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| 14:04 | <gbaman> raspberry pi is arm
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| 14:04 | <alkisg> Right
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| 14:04 | <gbaman> and runs rasbian (based off debian)
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| 14:04 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 14:05 | <gbaman> and some will have 256mb of ram
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| 14:05 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 14:05 | <gbaman> sigh
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| 14:05 | <alkisg> And its CPU is very slow
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| 14:05 | <gbaman> yes
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| 14:05 | <alkisg> So they're not suited for local installations
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| 14:05 | They're much better as ltsp thin clients, but you don't want that
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| 14:05 | So, you're just comparing local installations vs ltsp fat clients
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| 14:06 | Which is the same thing, except that ltsp fat clients need less ram because they have some services disabled,
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| 14:06 | <gbaman> Ok, lets just say I would prefer not to transfer the os across the network
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| 14:06 | <alkisg> and have faster disk access compared to sd cards
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| 14:06 | <gbaman> what are my options
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| 14:06 | <alkisg> The one we were talking before I mentioned ltsp fat clients.
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| 14:07 | raspbian, nfs, and one of (ldap/nis/samba/libpam_sshauth)
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| 14:07 | But ltsp fat clients will get you better performance, and easier installation
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| 14:07 | so... up to you.
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| 14:07 | <gbaman> vagrantc was talking with me yesterday on an idea he had
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| 14:08 | http://irclogs.ltsp.org./
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| 14:08 | about 20 mins before midnight we started
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| 14:08 | talking
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| 14:08 | so it is right at the top of the log
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| 14:08 | that involved installing ltsp-client packages on the pi
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| 14:09 | <alkisg> No point in doing that, you only need /home + authentication, you're not looking for central configuration with lts.conf (and ltsp has nothing more to offer to you if you're not doing netbooting)
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| 14:10 | <gbaman> other than its simplicity
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| 14:10 | <alkisg> It's more hard to do it than setting up NIS or LDAP.
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| 14:10 | Or, libpam_sshauth
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| 14:10 | Because you're not using a stock ltsp installation, you're customizing it
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| 14:10 | <gbaman> I have yet to be able to find any help on other of them
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| 14:11 | *either
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| 14:11 | <alkisg> Btw did you actually use raspbian on a pi? Were you satisfied by its performance?
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| 14:11 | <gbaman> I always use it
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| 14:11 | it is fine
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| 14:11 | great to have all the debian packages
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| 14:11 | and i normally overclock it anyway
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| 14:12 | <alkisg> What's the output of this command? su -; hdparm -tT /dev/sda
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| 14:12 | <gbaman> what does it do?
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| 14:12 | <alkisg> It benchmarks the SD card
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| 14:12 | If it's less than 20 MB/sec, then LTSP fat clients will be faster.
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| 14:13 | (it might be something else than sda there, e.g. mmcp0something
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| 14:13 | <gbaman> I am getting
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| 14:13 | su: Authentication failure -bash: hdparm: command not found
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| 14:13 | <alkisg> Install hdparm
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| 14:13 | <gbaman> I have not set up the root account on the pi, it is rather weirdly set up
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| 14:14 | <||cw> it doesn't have sudo?
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| 14:14 | <gbaman> when i do that i get
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| 14:14 | sudo: -: command not found -bash: hdparm: command not found
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| 14:15 | :)
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| 14:15 | <alkisg> What do you do when you want to install programs?
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| 14:15 | (04:11:53 μμ) gbaman: great to have all the debian packages ==> ok, install the "hdparm" package :)
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| 14:16 | <gbaman> sudo apt-get install hdparm
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| 14:16 | just ran it, installing now
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| 14:17 | <alkisg> sudo blkid
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| 14:17 | This will tell you the device of / (root)
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| 14:17 | Then, sudo hdparm -tT /dev/<device of root>
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| 14:18 | <gbaman> running
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| 14:18 | Timing cached reads: 320 MB in 2.00 seconds = 159.96 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 52 MB in 3.00 seconds = 17.31 MB/sec
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| 14:19 | That is one of my smaller slower cards that I use for testing
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| 14:19 | but I doubt the others would be much faster
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| 14:23 | so... What is wrong with vagrantcs idea?
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| 14:24 | <alkisg> 17 MB/sec is about the same as ltsp fat clients with your network setup
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| 14:25 | <gbaman> Main problem is, what he told me didnt exactly work
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| 14:25 | <alkisg> With ltsp fat client also offering a single point to maintain the image, and less cost, and no need to worry about writes wearing out the sd cards
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| 14:25 | <gbaman> :)
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| 14:25 | <alkisg> The problem with vagrantc's idea is that you get the ...worse of both worlds
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| 14:26 | <alkisg> You have to maintain local installations AND customize ltsp...
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| 14:26 | Anyways, decide what you want to do first and then you can ask for help on specific issues
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| 14:29 | <ltspuser_41> haw many ımage can we create on one server
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| 14:29 | and how t swıtch between them for test
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| 14:30 | because ı delete ı386.img and ı create another ımage wıth kıosk name
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| 14:30 | <alkisg> No limit. One quick way to switch between them is to rename the /opt/ltsp/xxx and /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/xxx dirs. Otherwise use a pxelinux menu.
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| 14:30 | <ltspuser_41> thanks alkısg
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| 14:30 | <laurense> alkisg: do you have a link to documentation abouw a pxelinux menu
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| 14:30 | <alkisg> laurense: the syslinux wiki has full documentation
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| 14:33 | <gbaman> back, sorry about that
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| 14:34 | ok alkisg, say I was to go with a network version, the one you have been recommending
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| 14:34 | how do I go about doing that
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| 14:34 | <alkisg> Ask vagrantc about configuring ltsp for raspbian
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| 14:34 | I think he plans on writing a wiki page about it anyway
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| 14:35 | There's nothing special there then, it's just a usual ltsp fat clients setup
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| 14:44 | <gbaman> ok, I will try and grab him later
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| 14:45 | he told me to add the servers ssh keys onto the raspberry pi, I am completly new to this, where do I find them on the server?
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| 14:45 | I am going to try his method and see if it works anyway, good to have multiple options
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| 14:47 | <alkisg> You'll need much customizations to make ltsp boot from local media, it's not just the ssh keys
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| 14:48 | <gbaman> he told me to grab the ltsp-client package, then add some bootargs then add the servers ssh keys, then change a few things in the lts.conf file
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| 14:48 | <alkisg> Patch the initramfs scripts, update-initramfs, modify kernel command line, modify init-ltsp.d scripts etc
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| 14:48 | Right, you'll need someone to take a couple of hours and guide you through all this if you're inexperienced with linux/ltsp
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| 14:53 | <gbaman> why is nothing ever easy :)
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| 14:53 | I will try and grab vagrantc later today then
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| 14:54 | and get his opinion
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| 14:55 | We need some sort of roaming profile system for this classroom of raspberry pis that once set up is easy to maintain and add users, change passwords or remove users. So far I have found no easy way to do this or a guide anywhere on how to do it
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| 15:01 | <Hyperbyte> gbaman, that's what LTSP is. Problem is that LTSP is made for net booting, and raspberry pi doesn't support that. :)
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| 15:01 | <gbaman> can the netbooting part not be turned off?
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| 15:02 | skip the netbooting
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| 15:02 | then have the pi authenticate like normal to the server
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| 15:03 | I am sure we arnt the only school that would significantly benefit from something like that
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| 15:04 | <alkisg> That's libpam_sshauth
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| 15:04 | You don't need the other ltsp parts then
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| 15:05 | <gbaman> how much setup is required for libpam_sshauth?
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| 15:05 | and what else is required
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| 15:05 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, didn't you also say you could do this with grub and ipxe?
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| 15:05 | <alkisg> ipxe is x86 specific
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| 15:05 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, and just make the client netboot capable?
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| 15:05 | <alkisg> Won't run on arm
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| 15:05 | <Hyperbyte> Oh
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| 15:05 | :|
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| 15:05 | <alkisg> You need a local kernel + initramfs
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| 17:52 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: did you put "implement story removals" in your TODO list? Any planned dates for that? :D :D
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| 18:53 | <sbalneav> vagrantc, alkisg, got a sec?
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| 18:54 | <alkisg> sbalneav: sure, shoot!
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| 18:54 | <sbalneav> So, for ssh key authentication, here's my thoughts
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| 18:54 | you wouldn't do, as far as I can see, ssh key authentication, except for "autologin" accounts that are installed in the chroot.
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| 18:55 | Since the key will have to be installed in the chroot somewhere anyway
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| 18:55 | so, here, in my mind, is a rough flowchart:
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| 18:55 | 1) User enters userid
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| 18:55 | 2) Check if user is available locally
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| 18:55 | 3) Check if they have a $USER_HOME/.id_dsa,id_rsa,or what have you
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| 18:56 | 4) If they do: -> public key authentication
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| 18:56 | 5) if not -> remote password authentication
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| 18:56 | Seem reasonable?
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| 18:56 | <alkisg> Is that in shell or in .c?
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| 18:57 | With a "pre-ssh" phase in shell, we could do fancy things
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| 18:57 | <sbalneav> That would be in C in the pam_sshauth. Creating the keys and stuff for localdevs comes later in shell.
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| 18:57 | <alkisg> The DM gets username/pass and passes it to pam
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| 18:57 | Then pam generates a pressh event
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| 18:58 | At that point, shell scripts ask ltspd for something like "an lts.conf for the login event"
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| 18:58 | Which would contain the appropriate server if load balancing is used, or the appropriate server for that user, etc etc,
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| 18:58 | And might even contain ssh keys
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| 18:59 | The pressh scripts can then prepare whatever libpam_sshauth needs for the real login phase
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| 19:00 | <sbalneav> That would require changes to the dm. Pam doesn't work that way, unfortunately. Once you pass control to pam via the module, you're in, and can't drop out until the stack's finished.
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| 19:00 | <alkisg> We don't want to get out of the stack
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| 19:00 | Just execute shell scripts as part of the stack
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| 19:01 | They should be finished in less than half a sec, and return to libpam_sshauth so that it continues with the real ssh login try, to create the socket etc
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| 19:04 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: right now, i just use a shared ssh key for all accounts in /root/.ssh/id_rsa or whatever
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| 19:04 | since ldm runs as root
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| 19:04 | i wouldn't want to have to configure it with each user.
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| 19:05 | <alkisg> You could put that under [Default], no problem there
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| 19:05 | In the pressh phase we can also implement LDM_ALLOW_USER
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| 19:05 | I.e. tell libpam that we don't want to allow specified users, so that it doesn't try ssh'ing at all
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| 19:05 | And I'm sure we'll find a lot of other things that are easier to implement in pressh
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| 19:07 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: OK, so if I included a "ssh_key_file=" pam command line argument, would that work?
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| 19:09 | * vagrantc ponders. | |
| 19:09 | <sbalneav> Should, that duplicates what you're doing now.
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| 19:10 | <vagrantc> what i'm doing now isn't very flexible :)
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| 19:11 | but i don't really see a good way to improve upon it
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| 19:11 | <sbalneav> Well, how about having both your way and my way? :)
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| 19:12 | If we supply the pam command line option, use that
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| 19:12 | if not, check the local user
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| 19:12 | if not -> password.
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| 19:12 | That gives you both options.
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| 19:14 | <vagrantc> if there's already a local account with a local key, what are we getting by trying to connect with pam_sshauth?
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| 19:15 | also, it seems like just using whatever conventions (open)ssh is using, rather than hard-coding various key files ...
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| 19:16 | in a typical ssh connection, i think it usually looks for keys in ~/.ssh/id_* in a particular order, tries each one of those, and if that fails, falls back to password auth
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| 19:17 | that way we can support or not support whatever key types ssh supports without code changes to pam_sshauth
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| 19:18 | and if the keys fail, fall back to password auth ...
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| 19:18 | also, could see it being useful to support passworded keys
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| 19:28 | <alkisg> It's easy to autogenerate unique+static ssh keys for each client based on e.g. dmidecode output, plus some salt.
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| 19:29 | <alkisg> Also, a pressh script can store keys and other configuration wherever libpam_sshauth would look for them, the filenames/paths don't matter much there...
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| 19:29 | <dead_inside> hey guys, on FAT clients, has anyone tried running the screensaver as a remoteapp to get around the fact running locally can not authenticate
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| 19:31 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: sorry i don't have a lot of time at the moment to give it proper thinkover
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| 20:57 | <Enslaver> Question, how big is debian/ubuntu's chroot for thin clients?
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| 20:58 | <ltspuser_00> Hello i have a qestion about ltsp. Can somebody tell me how to instal a program on a client?
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| 21:00 | Is somebody there ?
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| 21:00 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: i think a default thin client chroot is 0.8-1GB, approximately
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| 21:00 | ltspuser_00: typically you install programs on the server, if using thin clients
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| 21:01 | ltspuser_00: but do be patient, people may not respond immediately
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| 21:01 | <ltspuser_00> If i install a program on the server it dus not run on the client.
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| 21:02 | <vagrantc> ltspuser_00: are you using fat clients?
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| 21:02 | <ltspuser_00> Yes
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| 21:02 | <vagrantc> ltspuser_00: ltsp-chroot -m apt-get install YOURPROGRAM (at least with debian/ubuntu variants)
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| 21:03 | ltspuser_00: what distro and verison?
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| 21:03 | it may also require running ltsp-update-image
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| 21:03 | <ltspuser_00> Is there not a simpel way to do this in the normal interface of ubuntu?
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| 21:04 | <vagrantc> if you're running ltsp-pnp, you can just install it on the server and rebuild the image with ltsp-update-image --cleanup / (or is it ltsp-update-image / --cleanup)
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| 21:05 | <ltspuser_00> 12.04
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| 21:05 | <vagrantc> ltspuser_00: do you have a directory in /opt/ltsp/amd64 or /opt/ltsp/i386 ?
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| 21:06 | <ltspuser_00> i386
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| 21:06 | <vagrantc> ltspuser_00: so yeah, you'll need to use the commandline to install packages
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| 21:07 | and then run ltsp-update-image
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| 21:07 | i.e. sudo ltsp-chroot -m apt-get install firefox ; sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 21:08 | <ltspuser_00> I did that and then it make's a new image for the amd 64.
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| 21:08 | <vagrantc> replace firefox with whatever you want to install in the image.
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| 21:08 | ltspuser_00: maybe try: ltsp-update-image -a i386
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| 21:08 | <ltspuser_00> I dont want to replace that
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| 21:08 | <vagrantc> ltspuser_00: or ltsp-update-image /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 21:09 | <ltspuser_00> That's sems to work.
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| 21:09 | It is not a simple thing to work with.
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| 21:10 | <vagrantc> the ltsp-pnp approach might work better for you, then.
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| 21:11 | you build an image of your server exported to the clients
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| 21:12 | <ltspuser_00> I want to use it for a simple smal internet cafe that we use on ower foundation. but i am wondering if it is the raid thing for this .
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| 21:12 | <vagrantc> it is very flexible, but isn't 100% point-and-click.
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| 21:14 | <ltspuser_00> I am not so good with the terminal yet. I think thats the problem.
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| 21:19 | <ltspuser_00> I will try some more. and if i run in to problems I will put them on this channel. Thanks for now.
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| 21:33 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: i can get real numbers for you in a bit...
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| 21:45 | <alkisg> Enslaver: ubuntu 12.04 thin => 631 MB uncompressed, 284 compressed (gzip), wheezy thin => 749 uncompressed, 261 compressed (xz)
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| 21:49 | <vagrantc> or someone else will.
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| 22:04 | 782 /opt/ltsp/amd64
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| 22:04 | 771 /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 22:04 | both uncompressed for wheezy..
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| 22:04 | which is a little different from alkisg's numbers
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| 22:05 | * alkisg used the cleanup on those chroots, exporting them via nbd | |
| 22:05 | <vagrantc> ah, mine was: du -smc
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| 22:06 | probably save some space turning them into NBD images.
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