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Channel log from 9 May 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:54 | <knipwim> anyone from the ltsp doc writers present?
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| 00:56 | i was wondering why the lts.conf man file isn't included in ltsp
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| 02:48 | <rcmysoft> Helo, i set up a Edubuntu 8.10 LtspServer version 5.1.29 and I have 10 Clients DellGX110 with 3c905c Card (Earlier running on Windows). Nothig works. When i boot the Clients most only one will boot up to the Login Screen. The Other get a Error "nbd0: Attempted send on closed socket" then i have to reboot hard. The first switched on client mostly boots to the login screen. I asked in the ltsp irc channel they told me i have to flash t
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| 03:00 | <knipwim> as help i could only find this link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/310250
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| 03:08 | <rcmysoft> yes, its a bug in version 5.1.25 i have the version 5.1.29 and the bug is should be solved
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| 03:12 | <alkisg> rcmysoft: mostly boots to the login screen => you mean ldm (graphical login), or the text mode login (vt1)?
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| 03:15 | <rcmysoft> i mean the ldm Graphical login
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| 03:16 | the next text mode login crashes on the other clients, only the first is going to ldm
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| 03:19 | will be in 30 min back
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| 03:38 | <treyh> ogra: morning
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| 03:53 | <chrisjrob> morning treyh
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| 03:53 | did you try Gadi's suggestion?
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| 03:53 | 18:11 < Gadi> treyh: edit the screen script (or wrapper if you have one) and add -u '' on the same line as rdesktop
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| 03:54 | i'm pretty sure that i have done that already, but i'm going to have another go.
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| 04:00 | <rcmysoft> any updates? I lost my irc connection, =:0)
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| 04:07 | <chrisjrob> rcmysoft: you missed nothing
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| 04:23 | <rcmysoft> oki. Found something what can be intersting. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=192799
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| 04:49 | <rcmysoft> i found also that the 2.6 kernel is able to destroy the nvram on intel chips. That iḿ using with my server
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| 04:49 | it seems to be very buggy where are the solutions out of the box
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| 08:57 | <rcmysoft> Helo, i set up a Edubuntu 8.10 LtspServer version 5.1.29 and I have 10 Clients DellGX110 with 3c905c Card (Earlier running on Windows). Nothig works. When i boot the Clients most only one will boot up to the Login Screen. The Other get a Error "nbd0: Attempted send on closed socket" then i have to reboot hard. The first switched on client mostly boots to the login screen. I asked in the ltsp irc channel they told me i have to flash t
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| 09:34 | <rcmysoft> noone a idea? can it be a networkcard problem? autonegotiation half or fullduplex?
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| 09:57 | <Bushmills> network card problem is very unlikely
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| 09:58 | <treyh> rcmysoft: you still around?
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| 10:05 | <rcmysoft> yes. On monday i will try something with the full and half duplex
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| 10:05 | but i am not very sure that the right thing to do
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| 10:06 | <rcmysoft> but it can be a connection problem
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| 10:07 | something like it works and works not. Its difficult because thats clients and i can#t debug anything
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| 10:22 | <treyh> hey make sure you're using two network cards on the server, make sure that dhcp is running, and that tftp is running
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| 10:31 | <GGD> hey trey...
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| 10:32 | treyh
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| 10:32 | or anyone in here i have a question
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| 10:33 | if you are attempting to do a VM using virtual box will that work? or does it actually have to be two phyiscal nics?
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| 10:33 | <treyh> it will work
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| 10:34 | <GGD> the virutal box
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| 10:34 | ?
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| 10:34 | <treyh> yes but you'll have to switch the ltsp box from nbd to nfs
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| 10:34 | if you use ubuntu
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| 10:34 | <GGD> i tried to get it to boot to the ltsp portion of the CD installer and it wouldnt even give me that option
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| 10:35 | <treyh> read the howto
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| 10:35 | <GGD> i did
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| 10:35 | twice
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| 10:35 | <treyh> had to hit F4 after you clcik inside the virualbox
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| 10:35 | <GGD> did that
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| 10:35 | <treyh> not sure then
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| 10:35 | <GGD> the option didn't come up for me
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| 10:35 | it gave me everthing in the list EXECPT that
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| 10:36 | <treyh> did you download the alternate cd installer?
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| 10:36 | <GGD> i would very much like to set one up
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| 10:36 | i didn't know that they had one of those
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| 10:36 | <treyh> go back and read the documention
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| 10:36 | there is an alternate cd
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| 10:37 | <rcmysoft> it ist possible to switch ltsp 5.1.29 to nfs export in playce of nbd-server, i think the nbd thing is buggy
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| 10:37 | <GGD> oh ok do you know where at in the documentation it is...
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| 10:37 | beacuse i thought it was all in the install CD
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| 10:37 | <treyh> rcmysoft: yes
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| 10:38 | <rcmysoft> is there a how to for it?
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| 10:38 | <GGD> thats what i got from the documentation i read
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| 10:38 | <treyh> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 10:38 | rcmysoft: yes not sure where, you'll have to search for it
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| 10:38 | rcmysoft: I don't think your problem is nbd though
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| 10:38 | brb at work
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| 10:40 | <rcmysoft> the squashfs mount fails so i thought let it try with the nfs if the duplex stuff will not work
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| 10:41 | <treyh> rcmysoft: try k12linux.org, try that version, it's the quickest easiest install version I've used
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| 10:41 | ubuntu is much better in the end though
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| 10:42 | <alkisg> GGD, I've installed ubuntu with nbd in vbox many times with no problems
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| 10:43 | <treyh> rcmysoft: I doubt either of those will fix it
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| 10:43 | GGD, same here
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| 10:44 | rcmysoft: do you have two nics and are you using dhcp off the ltsp server?
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| 10:46 | alkisg, he didn't download the alternate cd
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| 10:46 | <alkisg> Yeah, the desktop cd also works fine
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| 10:46 | <treyh> with the f4 option?
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| 10:46 | <alkisg> No, apt-get install ltsp-server (or ltsp-server-standalone)
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| 10:47 | The f4 option (=install an ltsp server) is there only on the alternate cd
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| 10:47 | <treyh> yea
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| 10:47 | he was trying to do the f4 option on the desktop cd lol
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| 10:47 | <alkisg> Ah ok didn't see that, sorry! :)
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| 10:49 | <treyh> alkisg, all good
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| 10:53 | <rcmysoft> i have two nics one nic is handling everything dhcp tftp nbd and nfs exports the other is connected to another lan
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| 10:53 | and it does not work
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| 10:53 | <treyh> did you just do the regular install, and then try it out
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| 10:53 | or did you modify it in any way
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| 10:53 | <GGD> hmmm i am dl'ing the alt cd now
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| 10:53 | and i am going o try that...
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| 10:53 | <treyh> cool
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| 10:54 | <rcmysoft> i made a regular install from the alternate and afterthat i installed edubuntu
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| 10:54 | <GGD> did it install everything that you needed to do a ltsp for it?
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| 10:54 | <treyh> GGD, yes because one client will boot
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| 10:55 | rcmysoft, and you're sure it got dhcp from the ltsp server and not the existing lan, and do those subnets conflict?
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| 10:56 | <rcmysoft> i am sure because i put off the second nic to debug the error i get nbd0: Attempted on closed socket erro on the other clients
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| 10:57 | <treyh> i believe it always says that
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| 10:57 | give me a bit i'll check to see
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| 10:57 | <rcmysoft> oki
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| 10:57 | wish you much luck. perhaps you can try the duplex thing?
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| 10:58 | <treyh> rcmysoft, let me give you advice
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| 10:58 | <rcmysoft> oki
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| 10:59 | <treyh> rcmysoft, you've already been told by more than one person it's not a duplex issue. I am tryign to help you but if you don't answer my questions and just want to believe that you've found the problem. then go ahead fix it.
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| 10:59 | rcmysoft, but don't come back here looking for help until you're willing to answer questions and try things you might not think it can be
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| 10:59 | <rcmysoft> sorry
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| 11:00 | <treyh> rcmysoft, dont' apologize
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| 11:00 | answer my questions
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| 11:02 | rcmysoft, and you're sure it got dhcp from the ltsp server and not the existing lan, and do those subnets conflict?
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| 11:03 | <rcmysoft> yes i am sure. the dhcpd conf has next-server option, too.
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| 11:04 | <treyh> what are the two subnets
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| 11:05 | <rcmysoft> 192.168.2.0/24 is the foreign one the with ltsp server is 192.168.1.0/24
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| 11:06 | <treyh> what ip addresses does the ltsp have
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| 11:06 | what are the ip's of both nics
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| 11:07 | <rcmysoft> 192.168.1.6 the adress of the ip server 192.168.2.1 the other nic
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| 11:07 | sorry the first ist ltsp server
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| 11:07 | <treyh> what version of ubuntu did you use
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| 11:07 | <rcmysoft> Edubuntu 8.10
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| 11:08 | ubuntu 8.10 alternate first installed the edubunt desktop
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| 11:08 | then edubuntu desktop
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| 11:08 | <treyh> gotcha
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| 11:08 | the default ip range on there is 192.168.0.x i believe
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| 11:09 | not 192.168.1
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| 11:09 | let me ask you this
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| 11:09 | is the ubuntu server and your existing network really both using 192.168.0.x
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| 11:10 | <rcmysoft> no the servers one nic with the ltsp server uses 192.168.1.0 network
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| 11:11 | <treyh> ok you don't make sense
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| 11:12 | the ltsp server
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| 11:12 | what are it's ip's
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| 11:12 | <rcmysoft> 192.168.1.6
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| 11:12 | <treyh> so it only has one ip?
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| 11:12 | <rcmysoft> no the other is 192.168.2.6
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| 11:13 | but the clients are on 192.168.1.# and dhcp listens on this eth0
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| 11:13 | dhcpd
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| 11:14 | <treyh> thats different that what you said before
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| 11:14 | let me be more specific
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| 11:14 | on the ltsp server, what ip is on eth0
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| 11:14 | <rcmysoft> okay
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| 11:14 | 192.168.1.6
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| 11:14 | <treyh> and eth1
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| 11:14 | <rcmysoft> 192.168.2.6
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| 11:15 | <treyh> which eth runs dhcp
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| 11:15 | <rcmysoft> eth0
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| 11:15 | <treyh> k
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| 11:15 | on eth0, what is your dhcp range
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| 11:15 | <rcmysoft> 192.168.1.20 -200
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| 11:15 | <treyh> ok ty
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| 11:16 | when your ltsp client pxe boots, what ip does it get
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| 11:17 | <rcmysoft> different. its depends on the number of clients the one gets .23 the other.35 and so one but sometimes only one clients get dhcpoffer and pack the others not
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| 11:18 | <treyh> full ip
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| 11:18 | just give me what one of them gets
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| 11:18 | wait
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| 11:18 | no two
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| 11:18 | give me two of what they get
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| 11:18 | and don't guess
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| 11:19 | boot one up and read it off the screen
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| 11:19 | <rcmysoft> but when they get a dhcp lease only the first client boot until the graphical loginscreen
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| 11:19 | <treyh> thats fine
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| 11:19 | just do one then
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| 11:19 | <rcmysoft> .23
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| 11:19 | <treyh> no
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| 11:19 | give me the full 192.168.....
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| 11:19 | and do it now
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| 11:19 | <rcmysoft> 192.162.1.23
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| 11:20 | <treyh> ok now boot a 2nd one while the first one is at the login screen
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| 11:21 | and while it's booting, uyou'll see what ip at the very beginning it gets, what is it
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| 11:21 | <rcmysoft> 192.168.1.35
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| 11:22 | <treyh> and you did that just now?
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| 11:22 | you did it too fast to actually test
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| 11:23 | <rcmysoft> they are very fast. After the first was in the login screen i booted the second the boot takes 1.2 Minute
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| 11:23 | the second one crashed
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| 11:24 | <treyh> boot the second one first
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| 11:24 | what ip does it get
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| 11:24 | <rcmysoft> turn off the first?
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| 11:24 | <treyh> turn off both
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| 11:24 | turn on 2nd first
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| 11:24 | <rcmysoft> ok
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| 11:25 | 192.168.1.35
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| 11:25 | <treyh> and you're at the login screen?
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| 11:26 | <rcmysoft> no wait a moment
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| 11:27 | <treyh> once you get to the login screen
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| 11:27 | <rcmysoft> now
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| 11:27 | <treyh> in the bottom right
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| 11:27 | what ip do you have
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| 11:27 | <rcmysoft> 192.168.1.35
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| 11:27 | <treyh> can you ping it from your ltsp server
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| 11:28 | <rcmysoft> have no access to the server its in another closed room, can access at monday
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| 11:28 | <treyh> you have the login to it?
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| 11:29 | well you probably don't have ssh access
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| 11:29 | <rcmysoft> i will try
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| 11:30 | the screen is frozen an when i click on preferences for reboot nothig happens
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| 11:30 | <treyh> on the client?
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| 11:30 | <rcmysoft> yes
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| 11:32 | <treyh> well you're out of luck til you have access to the server
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| 11:32 | but check your setup
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| 11:32 | something seems wrong
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| 11:32 | doesn't make sense that one client works and the rest don't after the first one is up
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| 11:32 | try to ping the clients from the ltsp server
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| 11:33 | and then try to ping them from the existin lan
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| 11:34 | <rcmysoft> thats the problem ony one client boots to the end the others gets the error, it doesnt make sense to me too
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| 11:34 | but the thanks for your try.
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| 11:34 | <treyh> let me look at one other thing
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| 11:35 | <rcmysoft> okay
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| 11:36 | <treyh> rcmysoft: i just confirmed the default scope for ubuntu 8.10 alternate cd install is 192.168.0.x
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| 11:37 | what else did you change to make it 192.168.1
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| 11:38 | <rcmysoft> i activeted dhcpd to listen on eth0 in /etc/default/dhcpd.....
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| 11:38 | <treyh> i seem to remember someone saying that the default static ip on eth0 and the dhcp range we not in the same subnet
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| 11:38 | <rcmysoft> sorry i did not understand
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| 11:39 | <treyh> rcmysoft, did you change the ip of eth0, or did you change dhcpd.conf in any way
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| 11:40 | <rcmysoft> i changed the ip in /etc/networkin/interfaces and i changed the dhcp.conf to the 192.168.1 net
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| 11:40 | d
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| 11:40 | <treyh> SEE
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| 11:40 | exactly
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| 11:40 | what have i been asking you this whole time
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| 11:41 | <rcmysoft> you asked me for the ip's of my nics
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| 11:43 | <treyh> i asked you in the beginning if you did a regular install or modified it in any way
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| 11:43 | you said you did a regular install and then installed edubuntu
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| 11:44 | after i asked you for the ip's
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| 11:44 | you said you didn't chagne them!
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| 11:44 | is there a reason you want to run them on 192.168.1.x instead of 192.168.0.x
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| 11:45 | <rcmysoft> no i can change this back
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| 11:45 | <treyh> change them back
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| 11:45 | reboot the server
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| 11:45 | and problem fixed
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| 11:45 | i think gnome network manager is probably the cause
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| 11:45 | nto sure, i don't do the alternate installer route, i build it from hand
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| 11:46 | what would probably be best
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| 11:46 | is to use the new alternate installer
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| 11:46 | should be a 9.04 alternate installer cd
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| 11:46 | use that
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| 11:46 | if there is one
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| 11:46 | if not
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| 11:46 | use the 8.10
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| 11:46 | and just reinstall
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| 11:48 | <rcmysoft> ok. thank you. Can i ask you something? Do you believe that the network manager is able to break the daemons?
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| 11:49 | <treyh> all i will say
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| 11:49 | is that when i install ltsp on ubuntu from command line
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| 11:49 | not using the alternate cd
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| 11:50 | i remove the network manager
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| 11:50 | but thats just me
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| 11:50 | most people don't
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| 11:50 | <rcmysoft> strange.
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| 11:50 | <treyh> works better for me
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| 11:50 | but
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| 11:50 | i only use one nic
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| 11:50 | instead of two
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| 11:50 | and use a windows dhcp server
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| 11:50 | so i'm strange
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| 11:51 | <rcmysoft> when i use another dhcp server all the clients get their dhcp lease. Not only one and only sometimes. This is very suspect.
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| 11:52 | <treyh> rcmysoft, goodluck with your install, let us know monday how it goes
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| 11:52 | <rcmysoft> oki.
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| 11:55 | <rcmysoft> uh, one thing i forget after installing the edubuntu desktop i did not run ltsp-update-image perhaps i should.
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| 12:13 | <GGD> hello anyone here
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| 12:13 | <alkisg> !ask
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| 12:13 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "ask" is Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 12:14 | <GGD> oh ok
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| 12:14 | i downloaded the alt for ubuntu
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| 12:33 | <alkisg> GGD, GGD_: ...and?
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| 12:34 | Put it in vbox and start the installation... Also put 2 NICs in the vm if you want.
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| 12:36 | <alkisg> din_os: δοκίμασες ltsp σε lenny?
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| 12:36 | *oups sorry
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| 14:07 | <treyh> chrisjob: haven't got a chance to check out Gadi's fix
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| 14:11 | <chrisjrob> 'fraid not treyh, it'll have to wait 'til monday. that said i am 99% certain i have already tried it.
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| 14:12 | my bash scripting is hopeless though, i'm sure someone who knew bash scripting would solve the issue in a moment.
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| 14:15 | <treyh> chrisjrob: same here, i'll wait til monday to give it a shot
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| 14:16 | I'm too lazy to setup a ltsp server at home
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| 14:16 | too busy doing other things
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| 15:02 | <Fockink> Hello people... I got easy-ltsp installe on opensuse 11.1, and there is a problem... when I get the login display on the terminal, my keyboard and mouse (PS/2) don't work, anyone knows what should I do?
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| 15:10 | <rcmysoft> helo, does someone know how to mount nfs exports on thin clients? Is it necessery to write to the /opt/ltsp/etc/fstab file the mount option?
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| 15:11 | <treyh> rcmysoft, do a search on google, you'll find a howto
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| 15:11 | rcmysoft, but once again, thats not going to resolve your issues, like I said before
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| 15:15 | <rcmysoft> hi. I think i made a mistake i wrote a mount option to the i386/etc/fstab file and did not run ltsp-image-update the second thing is i add a portmap option to hosts.allow for the network. I can cause errors
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| 15:19 | <treyh> rcmysoft, we talked earlier, you jacked up your network settings. you need to reinstall from scratch and leave them alone, that will fix both problems
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| 15:19 | rcmysoft, you can change anything you want but you since you messed the network portion up the easiest fix will be to reinstall and try out the clients before you change anything
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| 15:19 | that way you can verify your default install works
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| 20:29 | <zlirp> Is there a good tutorial on how to create a fat-client server?
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| 20:29 | <vagrantc> nope
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| 20:35 | <zlirp> I was talking with pmautils the other day.
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| 20:35 | If I understood him correct, there is automation to get local apps running easily...
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| 20:35 | pmautils, you there? :)
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| 20:41 | <pmatulis> zlirp: yes, how did you make out?
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| 20:41 | <zlirp> Ah, I'm just getting started actually.
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| 20:41 | Building an image on my server.
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| 20:41 | But I'm assuming this is all for a thin client, not a thick one.
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| 20:41 | <pmatulis> zlirp: ok, take your time
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| 20:42 | <zlirp> Did you have a link or any information on what I need to do to get a fat server goign?
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| 20:43 | pmautils: I figure I'll start with a simple setup first though. Make sure my netboot is working.
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| 20:43 | (setting it up off of a dd-wrt router)
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| 20:43 | <pmatulis> zlirp: the term "fat" is not well defined. all i'm saying is that it's pretty easy to have an application run locally (on the thin client)
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| 20:44 | zlirp: this is all documented on the Ubuntu LTSP wiki
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| 20:44 | <zlirp> cool, I'll continue to scour that as I poke aroun then :)
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| 20:44 | <pmatulis> zlirp: ok
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