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Channel log from 29 September 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:48 | <ltspuser_22> I have gotten into a bit of a mess and broke the internal config of our Edubuntu lab. I'm not too worried about getting it back but just wanted to let everyone know its present status before I get into the basic issue that I was hoping to get some help with. I would like to
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| 00:49 | enable other, non-PXE clients to access the Internet. I understand it can be done.
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| 00:52 | Am I on the right track thinking I need coding in the Default LTSP dhcpd.conf config file that would add a condition similar to waht is alread there where it contains " if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient" { filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0"; } else { filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img"; }"?
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| 00:54 | under the else section I would want the non-PXEClients to get access to the internet instead of getting nbi.img.
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| 00:57 | CTCP version? Not sure what that is but maybe the answer is Edubuntu 12.04?
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| 03:26 | <ltspuser_05> hello...one silly question i want to ask that can't found the answer in LTSP website......do LTSP server support redirecting sound ??
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| 06:01 | <alkisg> muppis: dpkg-diverting initctl from ltsp-chroot does seem like a good idea... could you file a bug for it?
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| 06:51 | <muppis> alkisg, yes. I'll do it at evening when I got more time to focus for it. :)
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| 08:35 | <knipwim> is there some setting i need to let my local-apps firefox use my logged in user dir?
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| 08:42 | <alkisg> knipwim: afaik, normally no
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| 08:42 | knipwim: try ltsp-localapps xterm and pastebin env, it should mention HOME=/home/user
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| 10:42 | <knipwim> alkisg: it does, but /home/user is empty
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| 10:43 | <alkisg> knipwim: with localapps enabled, that was supposed to have been mounted with sshfs
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| 10:43 | knipwim: don't run ls as root though, run it as user
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| 10:43 | Root won't see the sshfs contents
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| 10:43 | (...maybe)
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| 10:44 | <knipwim> i have
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| 10:44 | <alkisg> grep /home /proc/mounts
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| 10:44 | If there's no /home/user there, then you have some sshfs problem
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| 10:44 | So try it manually
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| 10:57 | <knipwim> hmm, when logging on to the server with ssh it complains about not being able to create /home/user/.ssh
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| 10:57 | even when i already created it manually
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| 11:04 | <alkisg> launch time, bbl
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| 11:51 | <knipwim> ok, the last error solved
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| 11:51 | i can sshfs manually
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| 11:52 | but apparently it doesn't do so by default
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| 11:52 | which script takes care of this?
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| 13:02 | <knipwim> ok, looking in /usr/share/ldm/rc.d/X01-localapps
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| 14:24 | <alkisg> So, booting livecd.iso images from grub2 without having the kernel outside the iso is very easy...
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| 14:24 | ...we can use that to provide ltsp-fat-client installers for windows :D
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| 14:24 | (for fat clients over slow networks, or over wireless)
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| 14:25 | win32-loader takes care of installing grub2, then grub2 loads the kernel from within the .iso/squashfs image, and finally a small ltsp initramfs script can mount the iso/squashfs image read only instead of using nbd/nfs
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| 14:27 | <muppis> I (still) use my fat htpc over wlan bridge and I don't see booting time a issue, but it's only client over wlan.
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| 14:27 | <alkisg> Yeah with multiple clients you'd have problems, 50mbps isn't enough for 12 clients
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| 14:28 | <muppis> I can figure.
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| 17:47 | <markit> alkisg: these days I had problems with ltsp "frozing" or being really slow (thin), I think I've isulated the problem... https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52547 is FF + Libo related
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| 17:47 | just to notify you if happens to receive desperate calls from teachers ;P
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| 17:48 | <alkisg> markit: what is "libo"?
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| 17:48 | Libreoffice:D
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| 17:48 | OK
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| 17:50 | markit: are you sure this is what's freezing your clients?
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| 17:50 | It doesn't sound like this bug can freeze a pc..
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| 17:51 | <markit> from teacher description I thought was a lan problem
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| 17:51 | then I tested the lan and was ok
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| 17:51 | last test I logged in the stuedent's account, and it was fine even with the pc it used in teh morning
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| 17:51 | then I went in the "recent used" files
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| 17:52 | and loaded a writer doc that... froze the libreoffice
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| 17:52 | I went in the server and I saw a 100% cpu usage of a core with libreoffice process
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| 17:52 | when it fetched the image everything went to normal
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| 17:52 | but it took 20 seconds
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| 17:53 | I think that if 20 children is doing their research on "cat and dogs" and pasting those nice pictures of the pets in their writer document
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| 17:53 | the result can't be different from a desperate situation :)
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| 17:55 | I'm also going to write an email to plasma-dev mailing list about kde "high I/O", but I dubt they will fix soon
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| 17:55 | <markit> also for libo's bug I dubt they will fix soon, has been reported only by 2 people (one is me)
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| 17:55 | I'm asking in the dev channel if someone will help me fix the code myself
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| 17:56 | because should be trivial, but not programming in C++ and not knowing the insight of 10Million lines of code will not help ;P
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| 17:57 | btw, epoptes is working great :)
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| 17:57 | looking forward having the multicast feature, sooner or later
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| 17:57 | <alkisg> I can't reproduce the problem, I just copied an image from the internet and paste it to libreoffice and it only took 1 second and 5% cpu
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| 17:58 | markit: btw do you have 1gbps NIC on your server?
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| 17:58 | If so, then multicasting to ten 100 mbps clients would be the same as now, since in both cases the clients can only get up to 100mbps each
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| 18:00 | <markit> alkisg: do you have FF > 10 ?
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| 18:00 | <alkisg> Stock ubuntu 12.04
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| 18:00 | So ff 15
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| 18:00 | <markit> alkisg: maybe you pasted a small image?
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| 18:01 | <alkisg> Give me link to one that reproduces the problem
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| 18:01 | <markit> also we have a 640Kbits connection
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| 18:01 | <alkisg> I tried with the picture from epoptes.org
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| 18:01 | <markit> if you have a 7Mbit you have libo stuck for few seconds, so no problem
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| 18:02 | mmm here I've debian with ff 10, so I've not the problem
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| 18:02 | you could try to paste multiple pictures in one document, then save and then load
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| 18:03 | and I've done the tests you suggested to check the speed of the lan, may I pastebin you the terminal log?
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| 18:03 | just to be sure I'm not missunderstanding something
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| 18:04 | <alkisg> No need, of course it downloads the images from the internet, but I don't see the 100% cpu part
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| 18:05 | <markit> btw, http://pastebin.ca/2229951
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| 18:05 | <alkisg> And http://images.psxextreme.com/wallpapers/ps3/quantum_space_617.jpg => 1920x1080 => 220 kb
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| 18:05 | <markit> I'm not sure why ipfef returns to the prompt with some process still running and returning later
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| 18:05 | <alkisg> If one has 10 such images and a very low bandwidth, sure, it would cause delays
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| 18:05 | <markit> alkisg: let me boot the laptop with kubuntu 12.04 and test myself
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| 18:06 | yes, but consider 24 clients doing that
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| 18:06 | <alkisg> They shouldn't do that
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| 18:06 | They should embed the images instead
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| 18:06 | <markit> yes, but libreoffice has a bug
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| 18:06 | if they "paste" the image, instead the "live image" is pasted
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| 18:07 | they should do "paste special" and choose "bitmap"
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| 18:07 | is FF that has changed behaviour
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| 18:07 | <alkisg> Yes I got the problem
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| 18:07 | What about other browsers?
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| 18:07 | <markit> the bug poster tells that every recent browser like Chrome do that
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| 18:07 | since they want to make easier to use some google functionality
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| 18:08 | is just that libreoffice should improve
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| 18:08 | but should do very fast
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| 18:08 | <alkisg> markit: your iperf bandwidth is fine, so for up to 10 clients, multicasting will have about the same performance as single casting (except for the server - side screen grabbing)
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| 18:08 | <markit> good point
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| 18:08 | in any case we have 24 :)
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| 18:09 | <alkisg> Multicasting will mostly help servers with 100 mbps bandwidth, it'll make their speed 10 times faster
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| 18:09 | With 24 clients, just 2.4 times faster
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| 18:09 | Not much
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| 18:09 | <markit> I've checked also with wireshark, and I've found a lot of retransmission, I have to analize the data better to see in % how much
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| 18:09 | alkisg: wondering where is the bottle neck then
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| 18:10 | <markit> the server video board is fast
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| 18:10 | <alkisg> How many FPS do you get with full screen vnc?
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| 18:10 | <markit> do you remember the video I made? probably 2 ? :)
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| 18:11 | or better, the effect was of "rotation update"
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| 18:11 | you see the first client update, then the second, then the fird... and then the first again
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| 18:11 | as far as I remember, at least
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| 18:11 | <alkisg> The bottleneck might be server-side screen grabbing... I'm not sure if x11vnc uses caching when multiple clients connect
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| 18:11 | <markit> btw, dinner time, if you have further considerations write here I will read soon
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| 18:11 | <alkisg> bb
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| 18:12 | <markit> alkisg: I tested video board grabbign with some suggested tools and was high
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| 18:12 | but maybe not good enough for video
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| 18:12 | <alkisg> VNC will never be good enough for video
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| 18:12 | Even with 1 client and gigabit connection
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| 18:13 | For that you'll need a video codec
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| 19:30 | <muppis> Argh! Unity 2D is freaking me out. :(
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| 21:12 | <vagrantc> warren: long time no see
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