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Channel log from 15 August 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:29 | <yallax_on> i have xubuntu ltsp installed, and added the users to the "fuse" group, when they insert a usb-disk it gets mounted in /media/"username"/usbdisk-sdb1 it seems.. but there is no icon on the desktop or anything.. if i logon locally on the server it works tho.. but how to i fix it so users gets the icon on their desktop??
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| 05:29 | i have xubuntu ltsp installed, and added the users to the "fuse" group, when they insert a usb-disk it gets mounted in /media/"username"/usbdisk-sdb1 it seems.. but there is no icon on the desktop or anything.. if i logon locally on the server it works tho.. but how to i fix it so users gets the icon on their desktop??
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| 06:42 | <Nick_Hill> I have been away from LTSP fr a year or two, and noticed several changes based on the Ubuntu install. Eg using SSH instead of XDMCP. Are there any block diagrams or flow charts to show how the different programs interact? I am trying to work out why I can't log into a new user account until I have re-booted the server.
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| 06:42 | I have been away from LTSP fr a year or two, and noticed several changes based on the Ubuntu install. Eg using SSH instead of XDMCP. Are there any block diagrams or flow charts to show how the different programs interact? I am trying to work out why I can't log into a new user account until I have re-booted the server.
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| 06:44 | I am also finding the laptop used as a (temporary) thin client hangs for 3 or 4 minutes on boot-up, and don't know how to start debugging the new LTSP.
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| 06:44 | I am also finding the laptop used as a (temporary) thin client hangs for 3 or 4 minutes on boot-up, and don't know how to start debugging the new LTSP.
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| 06:44 | <cyberorg> Nick_Hill, http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/ltsp-theory.html
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| 06:44 | Nick_Hill, http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/ltsp-theory.html
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| 06:45 | <Nick_Hill> Thanks.
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| 06:45 | Thanks.
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| 06:45 | <cyberorg> http://en.opensuse.org/How_Does_KIWI-LTSP_work
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| 06:45 | http://en.opensuse.org/How_Does_KIWI-LTSP_work
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| 06:45 | most parts are similar to ubuntu's
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| 06:45 | most parts are similar to ubuntu's
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| 06:47 | <Nick_Hill> I get the impression that Ubuntu LTSP compresses the entire LTSP chroot and delivers it over TFTP. So no NBD or NFS.
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| 06:47 | I get the impression that Ubuntu LTSP compresses the entire LTSP chroot and delivers it over TFTP. So no NBD or NFS.
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| 06:51 | <laga> that's wrong
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| 06:51 | that's wrong
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| 06:51 | the squashfs is exported over nbd
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| 06:51 | the squashfs is exported over nbd
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| 06:56 | <Nick_Hill> laga, I see. NBD being a network block device.
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| 06:56 | laga, I see. NBD being a network block device.
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| 07:13 | <Nick_Hill> If I create a user account on the server, I can't log into that user account through the thin client until I rebooted the server. Is this normal?
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| 07:13 | If I create a user account on the server, I can't log into that user account through the thin client until I rebooted the server. Is this normal?
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| 07:15 | I don't get username/password failed. Screen goes blank then log-in screen comes back.
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| 07:15 | I don't get username/password failed. Screen goes blank then log-in screen comes back.
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| 07:19 | <etyack> Nick_Hill: try ltsp-update-sshkeys on the server.
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| 07:19 | Nick_Hill: try ltsp-update-sshkeys on the server.
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| 07:30 | <Nick_Hill> etyack, ltsp-update-sshkeys makes no difference. I suppose SSH is involved with authentication, and I can log into the account through SSH. Perhaps some other service is involved with logging int he thin client. Re-booting the server works even where the thin client isn't rebooted.
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| 07:30 | etyack, ltsp-update-sshkeys makes no difference. I suppose SSH is involved with authentication, and I can log into the account through SSH. Perhaps some other service is involved with logging int he thin client. Re-booting the server works even where the thin client isn't rebooted.
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| 07:34 | <etyack> Nick_Hill: have you tried ltsp-update-image?
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| 07:34 | Nick_Hill: have you tried ltsp-update-image?
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| 07:35 | <ogra> thas rather a prob with the user, not related to ltp at all ...
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| 07:35 | thas rather a prob with the user, not related to ltp at all ...
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| 07:35 | check /var/log/auth.log and the users ~/.xsession-errors
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| 07:35 | check /var/log/auth.log and the users ~/.xsession-errors
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| 07:35 | *ltsp
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| 07:35 | *ltsp
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| 07:35 | <etyack> it's odd rebooting the server fixes the problem. are you able to log in locally on the server with the new account?
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| 07:35 | it's odd rebooting the server fixes the problem. are you able to log in locally on the server with the new account?
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| 07:36 | <Nick_Hill> I can log in locally on the new account.
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| 07:36 | I can log in locally on the new account.
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| 07:36 | <ogra> please check the above two files *while* logging in with a brandnew account ...
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| 07:37 | please check the above two files *while* logging in with a brandnew account ...
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| 07:37 | also what do you use to create the account ?
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| 07:37 | also what do you use to create the account ?
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| 07:37 | (gui ? a script ? adduser on the commandline ? )
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| 07:37 | (gui ? a script ? adduser on the commandline ? )
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| 07:38 | <Nick_Hill> I have the same effect, whether using the Gnome GUI or adduser
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| 07:38 | I have the same effect, whether using the Gnome GUI or adduser
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| 07:38 | <ogra> so what do the logs expose for a user you have never logged in with before ?
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| 07:38 | so what do the logs expose for a user you have never logged in with before ?
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| 07:39 | <Nick_Hill> /var/log/auth.log accepted password for account5 ... session opened for user account 5
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| 07:39 | /var/log/auth.log accepted password for account5 ... session opened for user account 5
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| 07:39 | <ogra> that looks ok
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| 07:39 | that looks ok
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| 07:40 | so your problem is the gnome-session not staring correctly by whatever reason
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| 07:40 | so your problem is the gnome-session not staring correctly by whatever reason
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| 07:40 | check the ~/.xsession-errors file
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| 07:40 | check the ~/.xsession-errors file
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| 07:41 | <Nick_Hill> Nothing written to ~/.xsession-errors
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| 07:41 | Nothing written to ~/.xsession-errors
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| 07:41 | <ogra> so your session doesnt even start ... weird
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| 07:41 | so your session doesnt even start ... weird
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| 07:41 | did you tweak anything from the defaults on that ubuntu ?
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| 07:41 | did you tweak anything from the defaults on that ubuntu ?
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| 07:41 | <Nick_Hill> The set-up is pristine.
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| 07:41 | The set-up is pristine.
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| 07:42 | <ogra> does the homedir exist after you created a user ?
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| 07:42 | does the homedir exist after you created a user ?
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| 07:42 | and is it owned by that user ?
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| 07:42 | and is it owned by that user ?
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| 07:42 | which ubuntu version is that ? hardy (8.04.1) ?
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| 07:42 | which ubuntu version is that ? hardy (8.04.1) ?
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| 07:42 | <Nick_Hill> installed ubuntu 8.04 from CD, updated packages, aptitude install ltsp-server-standalone, ltsp-build-client, ltsp-update-sshkeys, ltsp-update-image
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| 07:42 | installed ubuntu 8.04 from CD, updated packages, aptitude install ltsp-server-standalone, ltsp-build-client, ltsp-update-sshkeys, ltsp-update-image
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| 07:43 | 8.04.1
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| 07:43 | 8.04.1
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| 07:43 | Home directory exists after creating user.
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| 07:43 | Home directory exists after creating user.
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| 07:43 | <ogra> hmm, should just work (it does for everyne else)
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| 07:43 | hmm, should just work (it does for everyne else)
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| 07:43 | <Nick_Hill> I can log into the account locally.
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| 07:43 | I can log into the account locally.
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| 07:43 | <ogra> ldap involved or something ?
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| 07:43 | ldap involved or something ?
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| 07:43 | <Nick_Hill> Not unless default set-up. All defaults selected.
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| 07:43 | Not unless default set-up. All defaults selected.
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| 07:44 | So basically, start server, start client. Create account. Log in locally all OK, Try to log in through client. NOK. Reboot client. No change. Reboot server. Can log in.
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| 07:44 | So basically, start server, start client. Create account. Log in locally all OK, Try to log in through client. NOK. Reboot client. No change. Reboot server. Can log in.
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| 07:48 | * ogra hasnt seen anything like that ever | |
| 07:48 | * ogra hasnt seen anything like that ever | |
| 07:49 | <Nick_Hill> I have a friend who runs a cybercafe. He'll be able to test his 8.04.1 soon.
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| 07:49 | I have a friend who runs a cybercafe. He'll be able to test his 8.04.1 soon.
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| 07:52 | <Nick_Hill> I have tried re-starting SSH, I have tried re-starting GDM. No change. I suspect there is a program caching authentication data somewhere, OR a script running at boot-up changes something.
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| 07:52 | I have tried re-starting SSH, I have tried re-starting GDM. No change. I suspect there is a program caching authentication data somewhere, OR a script running at boot-up changes something.
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| 07:53 | <ogra> there is no such thing ...
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| 07:53 | there is no such thing ...
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| 07:53 | the only server side part involved in the login process is actually ssh ...
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| 07:53 | the only server side part involved in the login process is actually ssh ...
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| 07:53 | <Nick_Hill> Just tried init 1 then init 2. Made no difference.
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| 07:53 | Just tried init 1 then init 2. Made no difference.
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| 07:53 | <ogra> gdm isnt used
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| 07:53 | gdm isnt used
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| 07:54 | <Nick_Hill> I know.. it is weird. I am trying it for the third time.
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| 07:54 | I know.. it is weird. I am trying it for the third time.
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| 07:57 | Tried again. Same. I'll try init 1, then re-start any other process I can find.
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| 07:57 | Tried again. Same. I'll try init 1, then re-start any other process I can find.
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| 08:08 | <Nick_Hill> ogra, I know you'll think I am making some really fundamental mistake, but I am just reporting what I find: ring server to run level 1. Nothing except for a couple of instances of bash for the current screen. Bring server back to run level 2. Can't log in. Re-boot server. Can log in. I'll try again dirtying memory locations.
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| 08:08 | ogra, I know you'll think I am making some really fundamental mistake, but I am just reporting what I find: ring server to run level 1. Nothing except for a couple of instances of bash for the current screen. Bring server back to run level 2. Can't log in. Re-boot server. Can log in. I'll try again dirtying memory locations.
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| 08:09 | <ogra> i dont think you make any mistake.... but i'm honestly out of ideas and have never ever seen such behavior
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| 08:09 | i dont think you make any mistake.... but i'm honestly out of ideas and have never ever seen such behavior
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| 08:11 | and there isnt any service that would affect users in a way that they couldnt log in after initial creation but could log in after reboot
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| 08:11 | and there isnt any service that would affect users in a way that they couldnt log in after initial creation but could log in after reboot
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| 08:11 | so poking around in runlevels is unlikely to help
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| 08:11 | so poking around in runlevels is unlikely to help
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| 08:11 | your ssh connection seems to work fine according to auth.log
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| 08:11 | your ssh connection seems to work fine according to auth.log
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| 08:12 | so there can only be somethig wonky with the desktop session or the homedir
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| 08:12 | so there can only be somethig wonky with the desktop session or the homedir
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| 08:13 | is your home on a separate partition ?
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| 08:13 | is your home on a separate partition ?
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| 08:15 | <Nick_Hill> home dir is exactly as default, on root partition. I can log into the new account immediately locally.
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| 08:15 | home dir is exactly as default, on root partition. I can log into the new account immediately locally.
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| 08:17 | I thought that there just might be a problem with a program accessing a previously initialised /un-initialised memory location. So tried dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/null, after killing all non-kernel processes, to re-write memory locations. No change
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| 08:17 | I thought that there just might be a problem with a program accessing a previously initialised /un-initialised memory location. So tried dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/null, after killing all non-kernel processes, to re-write memory locations. No change
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| 08:17 | s/hda/sda
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| 08:17 | s/hda/sda
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| 08:18 | The only other conclusion I can come to is that some kernel service is caching auth info.
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| 08:18 | The only other conclusion I can come to is that some kernel service is caching auth info.
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| 09:12 | <jammcq> g'morning friends
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| 09:12 | g'morning friends
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| 09:14 | <ball> jammcq: mornin'
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| 09:14 | jammcq: mornin'
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| 09:54 | <etyack> hey jammcq
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| 09:54 | hey jammcq
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| 09:56 | <mistik1> hey jammcq etyack
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| 09:56 | hey jammcq etyack
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| 09:56 | ltns
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| 09:56 | ltns
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| 09:56 | <etyack> hey mistik1
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| 09:56 | hey mistik1
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| 10:21 | <_UsUrPeR_> Hey all. I'm working with a customer right now who is running Windows for DHCP with the following settings: http://www.wwnet.net/Untitled-1.jpg
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| 10:21 | Hey all. I'm working with a customer right now who is running Windows for DHCP with the following settings: http://www.wwnet.net/Untitled-1.jpg
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| 10:22 | It is getting various errors based on what is set in the "Root Path"
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| 10:22 | It is getting various errors based on what is set in the "Root Path"
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| 10:23 | <_UsUrPeR_> with the root path list it is in the screen shot, it gives the error "No such file or directory. nfsmount error mounting 172.16.16.19:/opt/ltsp/i386. Illegal seek.
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| 10:23 | with the root path list it is in the screen shot, it gives the error "No such file or directory. nfsmount error mounting 172.16.16.19:/opt/ltsp/i386. Illegal seek.
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| 10:23 | If we remove the IP address, it gives the same error as above
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| 10:23 | If we remove the IP address, it gives the same error as above
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| 10:24 | if we remove the directory, it gives the error "No such file or directory"
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| 10:24 | if we remove the directory, it gives the error "No such file or directory"
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| 10:24 | if we remove the option in it's entirety, it gives the error "Could not find root path DHCP option"
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| 10:24 | if we remove the option in it's entirety, it gives the error "Could not find root path DHCP option"
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| 10:24 | and if we include the root option, but leave the field blank, it says "missing mount point"
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| 10:24 | and if we include the root option, but leave the field blank, it says "missing mount point"
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| 10:25 | how do I make this windows DHCP server happy? :(
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| 10:25 | how do I make this windows DHCP server happy? :(
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| 10:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> anyone?
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| 10:29 | anyone?
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| 10:29 | <ball> Is it mandatory for you to use Windows as the DHCP server?
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| 10:29 | Is it mandatory for you to use Windows as the DHCP server?
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| 10:30 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: what distro?
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| 10:30 | _UsUrPeR_: what distro?
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| 10:30 | (for LTSP)
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| 10:30 | (for LTSP)
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| 10:30 | ;)
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| 10:30 | ;)
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| 10:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh, sotty
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| 10:32 | oh, sotty
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| 10:32 | Fedora 9
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| 10:32 | Fedora 9
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| 10:32 | sotty = sorry
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| 10:32 | sotty = sorry
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| 10:32 | <ball> If I ever own a mungrel, I'll call him "sotty"
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| 10:32 | If I ever own a mungrel, I'll call him "sotty"
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| 10:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> ball: yes. the customer has an all-windows network :|
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| 10:32 | ball: yes. the customer has an all-windows network :|
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| 10:33 | ball: good call. it's only one letter off
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| 10:33 | ball: good call. it's only one letter off
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| 10:33 | <Gadi> fedora uses nfs?
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| 10:33 | fedora uses nfs?
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| 10:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: I was confused as to why that was appearing at all to be honest.
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| 10:33 | gadi: I was confused as to why that was appearing at all to be honest.
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| 10:33 | gadi: because it doesn't
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| 10:33 | gadi: because it doesn't
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| 10:35 | <Gadi> I don't know how fedora's initramfs looks
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| 10:35 | I don't know how fedora's initramfs looks
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| 10:35 | so, I don't know what options they have
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| 10:35 | so, I don't know what options they have
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| 10:35 | <ball> _UsUrPeR_: the Xterminals are on the same physical LAN as Windows workstations? Ah, perhaps you're using the Windows workstations /as/ Xterminals?
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| 10:35 | _UsUrPeR_: the Xterminals are on the same physical LAN as Windows workstations? Ah, perhaps you're using the Windows workstations /as/ Xterminals?
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| 10:35 | <Gadi> in Ubuntu, you would need to specify the nbd server and port in the pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 10:35 | in Ubuntu, you would need to specify the nbd server and port in the pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 10:36 | (as long as dhcp server != LTSP server)
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| 10:36 | (as long as dhcp server != LTSP server)
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| 10:36 | I do not know if fedora has made such an accommodation
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| 10:36 | I do not know if fedora has made such an accommodation
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| 10:36 | either way, you shouldn't need root-path at all
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| 10:36 | either way, you shouldn't need root-path at all
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| 10:37 | unless fedora uses it as a key for nbd
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| 10:37 | unless fedora uses it as a key for nbd
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| 10:37 | if warren's around, ask him
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| 10:37 | if warren's around, ask him
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| 10:37 | <_UsUrPeR_> there is a pxelinux.cfg/default file
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| 10:37 | there is a pxelinux.cfg/default file
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| 10:38 | it looks like this:
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| 10:38 | it looks like this:
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| 10:38 | prompt 0
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| 10:38 | prompt 0
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| 10:38 | label linux
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| 10:38 | label linux
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| 10:39 | kernel vmlinuz.ltsp
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| 10:39 | kernel vmlinuz.ltsp
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| 10:39 | append rw initrd=initrd.ltsp quiet selinux=0 rhgb
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| 10:39 | append rw initrd=initrd.ltsp quiet selinux=0 rhgb
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| 10:39 | <Gadi> try adding to the end of the append line:
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| 10:39 | try adding to the end of the append line:
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| 10:39 | <_UsUrPeR_> where would I put the != LTSP server portion in there
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| 10:39 | where would I put the != LTSP server portion in there
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| 10:39 | <Gadi> nbdroot=<ip:port>
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| 10:39 | nbdroot=<ip:port>
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| 10:39 | where port = 2000
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| 10:39 | where port = 2000
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| 10:40 | so: nbdroot=172.16.16.19:2000
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| 10:40 | so: nbdroot=172.16.16.19:2000
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| 10:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> roger
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| 10:40 | roger
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| 10:41 | should I keep the root path in the DHCP config in Windows?
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| 10:41 | should I keep the root path in the DHCP config in Windows?
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| 10:41 | <Gadi> you should not need it
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| 10:41 | you should not need it
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| 10:41 | but, what do I know?
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| 10:41 | but, what do I know?
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| 10:41 | I just work here
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| 10:41 | I just work here
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| 10:41 | <_UsUrPeR_> :)
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| 10:41 | :)
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| 10:41 | guy's not around anyway
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| 10:41 | guy's not around anyway
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| 10:42 | thanks for the help. I'll give that a shot.
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| 10:42 | thanks for the help. I'll give that a shot.
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| 10:42 | I really wish using Windows DHCP was not required, but here we are :|
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| 10:42 | I really wish using Windows DHCP was not required, but here we are :|
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| 10:43 | <Gadi> if there are a small number of clients, I believe Windows has dhcp exceptions
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| 10:43 | if there are a small number of clients, I believe Windows has dhcp exceptions
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| 10:43 | in other words, you can tell it by MAC addy who not to respond to
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| 10:43 | in other words, you can tell it by MAC addy who not to respond to
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| 10:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> that is what they are doing right now
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| 10:43 | that is what they are doing right now
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| 10:43 | they are assigning static IP addresses based on mac
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| 10:43 | they are assigning static IP addresses based on mac
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| 10:45 | <Gadi> so, if you tell it to ignore requests from the thin clients, you can re-enable dhcp on the ltsp server
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| 10:45 | so, if you tell it to ignore requests from the thin clients, you can re-enable dhcp on the ltsp server
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| 10:45 | and have it respond only to those clients
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| 10:45 | and have it respond only to those clients
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| 10:45 | of course, this is more management
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| 10:45 | of course, this is more management
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| 10:45 | but, a workable solution nontheless
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| 10:45 | but, a workable solution nontheless
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| 10:45 | *nonetheless
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| 10:45 | *nonetheless
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| 10:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok. Just tested this out. It gave the same error as previous when the root path was removed
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| 10:49 | ok. Just tested this out. It gave the same error as previous when the root path was removed
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| 10:49 | and for SNG I re-added the root path, and it gave the "no seek error" again
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| 10:49 | and for SNG I re-added the root path, and it gave the "no seek error" again
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| 10:54 | is there a way to see if the client is requesting stuff from ndb?
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| 10:54 | is there a way to see if the client is requesting stuff from ndb?
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| 10:56 | <Gadi> well, it would do that from the initramfs
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| 10:56 | well, it would do that from the initramfs
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| 10:56 | so, you would see a client negotiation happen
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| 10:56 | so, you would see a client negotiation happen
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| 10:56 | but, it sounds like you don't even get the kernel?
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| 10:56 | but, it sounds like you don't even get the kernel?
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| 10:56 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: ping
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| 10:56 | _UsUrPeR_: ping
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| 10:57 | _UsUrPeR_: try the ltsp-5.1.19 that I pushed to my repo
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| 10:57 | _UsUrPeR_: try the ltsp-5.1.19 that I pushed to my repo
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| 10:57 | _UsUrPeR_: build the chroot from scratch again
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| 10:57 | _UsUrPeR_: build the chroot from scratch again
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| 10:57 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: will do.
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| 10:57 | warren: will do.
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| 10:57 | warren: give me a bit though. I have another.... thing.... :/
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| 10:57 | warren: give me a bit though. I have another.... thing.... :/
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| 10:57 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: I got a Etherboot-5.0.5 client to work out of the box
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| 10:57 | _UsUrPeR_: I got a Etherboot-5.0.5 client to work out of the box
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| 10:57 | <Gadi> warren: does you initrd allow for DHCP server != LTSP server?
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| 10:57 | warren: does you initrd allow for DHCP server != LTSP server?
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| 10:58 | <warren> Gadi: if the DHCP server gives out a root-path it'll handle it.
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| 10:58 | Gadi: if the DHCP server gives out a root-path it'll handle it.
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| 10:58 | <Gadi> you key off of root-path for nbd?
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| 10:58 | you key off of root-path for nbd?
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| 10:59 | _UsUrPeR_: is getting an "Illegal seek" error
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| 10:59 | _UsUrPeR_: is getting an "Illegal seek" error
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| 10:59 | when he tries
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| 10:59 | when he tries
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| 10:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh, yeah. warren: look above. tell me if you see anything weird in there. This is a headache
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| 10:59 | oh, yeah. warren: look above. tell me if you see anything weird in there. This is a headache
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| 11:01 | <warren> Gadi: not doing nbd at all
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| 11:01 | Gadi: not doing nbd at all
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| 11:01 | in the version pushed to the public
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| 11:01 | in the version pushed to the public
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| 11:01 | _UsUrPeR_: I only now joined the channel, I don't have info.
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| 11:01 | _UsUrPeR_: I only now joined the channel, I don't have info.
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| 11:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> d'oh
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| 11:02 | d'oh
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| 11:02 | <Gadi> warren: ah
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| 11:02 | warren: ah
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| 11:02 | nfs?
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| 11:02 | nfs?
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| 11:02 | <warren> yes, nfs
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| 11:02 | yes, nfs
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| 11:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> pm
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| 11:02 | pm
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| 11:02 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: your nfs server config is borked
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| 11:02 | _UsUrPeR_: your nfs server config is borked
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| 11:02 | :)
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| 11:02 | :)
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| 11:02 | try restarting nfs
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| 11:02 | try restarting nfs
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| 11:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> wauugh
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| 11:02 | wauugh
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| 11:02 | <Gadi> and/or the LTSP box
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| 11:02 | and/or the LTSP box
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| 11:02 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: did you try "service nfs restart"
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| 11:02 | _UsUrPeR_: did you try "service nfs restart"
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| 11:03 | oh. lunch time. brb
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| 11:03 | oh. lunch time. brb
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| 11:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> huh
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| 11:05 | huh
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| 11:05 | looks like you may be correct. NFS mountd, daemon, quotas and services "failed" on restart
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| 11:05 | looks like you may be correct. NFS mountd, daemon, quotas and services "failed" on restart
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| 11:05 | then the second time around they were ok
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| 11:05 | then the second time around they were ok
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| 11:06 | testing this out now
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| 11:05 | testing this out now
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| 11:06 | awesome. that was it
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| 11:06 | awesome. that was it
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| 11:06 | * _UsUrPeR_ buys a round of drinks for the channel | |
| 11:06 | * _UsUrPeR_ buys a round of drinks for the channel | |
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| 11:36 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: the ltsp-5.1.9 in my repo works?
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| 11:36 | _UsUrPeR_: the ltsp-5.1.9 in my repo works?
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| 11:37 | _UsUrPeR_: it creates a wraplinux-nbi image and automatically configures dhcpd to serve it.
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| 11:37 | _UsUrPeR_: it creates a wraplinux-nbi image and automatically configures dhcpd to serve it.
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| 11:47 | <vagrantc> warren: with your tests of mknbi, did you make the combined kernel+initrd ?
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| 11:47 | warren: with your tests of mknbi, did you make the combined kernel+initrd ?
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| 11:47 | <warren> vagrantc: yes.
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| 11:47 | vagrantc: yes.
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| 11:47 | <vagrantc> ah, ok.
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| 11:47 | ah, ok.
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| 11:47 | <warren> vagrantc: wraplinux --nbi seems to work on me for several clients
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| 11:47 | vagrantc: wraplinux --nbi seems to work on me for several clients
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| 11:47 | only thing I didn't test was BOOTP since that is incredibly ancient
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| 11:47 | only thing I didn't test was BOOTP since that is incredibly ancient
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| 11:48 | <vagrantc> i've tested the mkelf-linux images and the mknbi-linux images fairly recently, and they worked on debian.
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| 11:48 | i've tested the mkelf-linux images and the mknbi-linux images fairly recently, and they worked on debian.
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| 11:52 | <warren> wraplinux is actively maintained and hpa instantly fixes whatever I ask for
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| 11:52 | wraplinux is actively maintained and hpa instantly fixes whatever I ask for
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| 11:52 | and it seems to work on everything except coreboot
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| 11:52 | and it seems to work on everything except coreboot
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| 11:52 | <warren> so i'm using wraplinux for everything, and mkelfimage for coreboot
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| 11:52 | so i'm using wraplinux for everything, and mkelfimage for coreboot
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| 12:05 | <jpdrawneek> needs some help with a cisco switch - its not liking ltsp
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| 12:05 | needs some help with a cisco switch - its not liking ltsp
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| 12:07 | <gbolte> how do you know its the switch?
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| 12:07 | how do you know its the switch?
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| 12:07 | <jpdrawneek> Anybody awake?
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| 12:07 | Anybody awake?
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| 12:07 | replaced it with a 100mb hub and everything works
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| 12:07 | replaced it with a 100mb hub and everything works
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| 12:08 | <jammcq> what's not working?
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| 12:08 | what's not working?
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| 12:08 | <warren> jammcq: btw, you have the channel password?
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| 12:08 | jammcq: btw, you have the channel password?
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| 12:08 | <jpdrawneek> pxe boot works
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| 12:08 | pxe boot works
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| 12:08 | its the next boot part after that
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| 12:08 | its the next boot part after that
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| 12:08 | <jammcq> ummm, yeah, I think so
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| 12:08 | ummm, yeah, I think so
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| 12:09 | jpdrawneek: what version of ltsp?
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| 12:09 | jpdrawneek: what version of ltsp?
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| 12:09 | <jpdrawneek> latest
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| 12:09 | latest
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| 12:09 | <jammcq> what distro?
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| 12:09 | what distro?
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| 12:09 | <jpdrawneek> suse
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| 12:09 | suse
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| 12:09 | <jammcq> that's kiwi-ltsp, you prolly will need some help from them. But... try turning off 'Spanning Tree' in the switch
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| 12:09 | that's kiwi-ltsp, you prolly will need some help from them. But... try turning off 'Spanning Tree' in the switch
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| 12:10 | <jpdrawneek> not nothing wrong with kiwi-ltsp - its the cisco thats doing it
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| 12:10 | not nothing wrong with kiwi-ltsp - its the cisco thats doing it
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| 12:10 | <warren> jammcq: time to add Fedora to the list above
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| 12:10 | jammcq: time to add Fedora to the list above
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| 12:10 | <jammcq> warren, yeah, good point
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| 12:10 | warren, yeah, good point
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| 12:11 | ChanServ sets mode: +o jammcq | |
| 12:11 | ChanServ sets mode: +o jammcq | |
| 12:11 | <gbolte> hmm interesting
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| 12:11 | hmm interesting
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| 12:12 | jpdrawneek, is it a layer 3 switch?
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| 12:12 | jpdrawneek, is it a layer 3 switch?
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| 12:12 | if it is you need to make sure its not doing anything funky with broadcast messages
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| 12:12 | if it is you need to make sure its not doing anything funky with broadcast messages
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| 12:14 | jammcq changes topic to "LTSP-5 is the current version that you should be using. Check out Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora and Opensuse for awesome integration" | |
| 12:14 | jammcq changes topic to "LTSP-5 is the current version that you should be using. Check out Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora and Opensuse for awesome integration" | |
| 12:14 | <gbolte> :)
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| 12:14 | :)
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| 12:15 | <jammcq> is that better?
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| 12:15 | is that better?
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| 12:15 | and soon, hopefully we can put gentoo there
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| 12:15 | and soon, hopefully we can put gentoo there
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| 12:16 | <warren> I don't know if I would call Opensuse was awesome integration.
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| 12:16 | I don't know if I would call Opensuse was awesome integration.
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| 12:16 | opensuse if you want something like LTSP
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| 12:16 | opensuse if you want something like LTSP
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| 12:17 | <jpdrawneek> it seems pretty good
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| 12:17 | it seems pretty good
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| 12:17 | <ogra> its totally non upstream
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| 12:17 | its totally non upstream
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| 12:17 | <jpdrawneek> when you don't have an evil switch
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| 12:17 | when you don't have an evil switch
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| 12:17 | * ogra agrees with warren "something like ltsp" | |
| 12:17 | * ogra agrees with warren "something like ltsp" | |
| 12:18 | <ogra> it assembles the functionallity going its own way
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| 12:18 | it assembles the functionallity going its own way
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| 12:19 | jammcq changes topic to "LTSP-5 is the current version that you should be using. Check out Ubuntu, Debian and Fedora for awesome integration. Gentoo is getting very close and Opensuse has kiwi-ltsp." | |
| 12:19 | jammcq changes topic to "LTSP-5 is the current version that you should be using. Check out Ubuntu, Debian and Fedora for awesome integration. Gentoo is getting very close and Opensuse has kiwi-ltsp." | |
| 12:20 | <ogra> yeah, that sounds good
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| 12:20 | yeah, that sounds good
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| 12:20 | <warren> yeah, that's good.
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| 12:20 | yeah, that's good.
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| 12:20 | <jammcq> I figure that pays the proper respect to the people who are at least making some attempt
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| 12:20 | I figure that pays the proper respect to the people who are at least making some attempt
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| 12:21 | and, it gives the 'Awesome' to the distros with REAL ltsp support currently shipping
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| 12:21 | and, it gives the 'Awesome' to the distros with REAL ltsp support currently shipping
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| 12:21 | <ogra> right and doesnt leave out the forks ... its not that kiwi-ltsp is bad ... just not upstream
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| 12:21 | right and doesnt leave out the forks ... its not that kiwi-ltsp is bad ... just not upstream
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| 12:21 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 12:21 | yeah
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| 12:22 | <ogra> anyway ...
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| 12:22 | anyway ...
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| 12:22 | * ogra goes to make dinner | |
| 12:22 | * ogra goes to make dinner | |
| 12:22 | <dberkholz> johnny: yeah, i'll set aside some time this weekend to pull your stuff in and give it a last look over
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| 12:22 | johnny: yeah, i'll set aside some time this weekend to pull your stuff in and give it a last look over
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| 12:22 | <ogra> cooking instead of smoking :P
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| 12:22 | cooking instead of smoking :P
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| 12:23 | <jammcq> dberkholz: I'm happy to change that topic as soon as you say it's ready
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| 12:23 | dberkholz: I'm happy to change that topic as soon as you say it's ready
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| 12:23 | <laga> ogra: good idea. :)
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| 12:23 | ogra: good idea. :)
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| 12:25 | <jpdrawneek> gbolte: layer 2 I think
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| 12:25 | gbolte: layer 2 I think
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| 12:27 | <gbolte> hmm
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| 12:27 | hmm
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| 12:27 | it must be doing some sort of filtering
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| 12:27 | it must be doing some sort of filtering
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| 12:30 | <dberkholz> jammcq: we'll let ya know. =)
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| 12:30 | jammcq: we'll let ya know. =)
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| 12:31 | <jammcq> cool
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| 12:31 | cool
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| 12:31 | ok guys, I gotta run. Going to visit my daughter at Penn State. she's starting grad school down there
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| 12:31 | ok guys, I gotta run. Going to visit my daughter at Penn State. she's starting grad school down there
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| 12:32 | <gbolte> cool
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| 12:32 | cool
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| 12:36 | <ogra> laga, well, i wont give up smoking completely ... but i reduced from 40-60 i smoked before down to max 5 that i allow myself ... (i havent hit the 5 in any of the last three days though, my max was three yet)
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| 12:36 | laga, well, i wont give up smoking completely ... but i reduced from 40-60 i smoked before down to max 5 that i allow myself ... (i havent hit the 5 in any of the last three days though, my max was three yet)
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| 12:37 | <laga> ogra: i used to smoke 20-40 a day. quitting was the best thing i've ever done
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| 12:37 | ogra: i used to smoke 20-40 a day. quitting was the best thing i've ever done
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| 12:37 | <gbolte> hmm so when are you going to switch from max 5 to max 3
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| 12:37 | hmm so when are you going to switch from max 5 to max 3
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| 12:37 | :P
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| 12:37 | :P
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| 12:38 | <ogra> i wont switch to max 3 :) if i smoke less thats fine ... if i every lose interest and stop completely thas fine as well
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| 12:38 | i wont switch to max 3 :) if i smoke less thats fine ... if i every lose interest and stop completely thas fine as well
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| 12:38 | if i start again thats ok too but will need compensation ....
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| 12:38 | if i start again thats ok too but will need compensation ....
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| 12:39 | since i miss the time for to much compensation thats unlikely though :)
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| 12:39 | since i miss the time for to much compensation thats unlikely though :)
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| 12:39 | <warren> more drinking?
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| 12:39 | more drinking?
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| 12:40 | <ogra> well, i dont know what cause me to get into hospital (neither do the docs) so i try to reduce everything to a rather moderate level ... even drinking
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| 12:40 | well, i dont know what cause me to get into hospital (neither do the docs) so i try to reduce everything to a rather moderate level ... even drinking
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| 12:40 | ;)
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| 12:40 | ;)
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| 12:40 | *caused
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| 12:40 | *caused
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| 12:41 | anyway, back to the kitchen :)
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| 12:41 | anyway, back to the kitchen :)
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| 12:44 | <jpdrawneek> jammcq: tree-span to fastport sorted it
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| 12:44 | jammcq: tree-span to fastport sorted it
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| 12:46 | <gbolte> jpdrawneek, glad you have your setup working
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| 12:46 | jpdrawneek, glad you have your setup working
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| 12:46 | :D
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| 12:46 | :D
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| 12:47 | jpdrawneek, for future reference #opensuse-kiwi is the channel for kiwi specific problems
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| 12:47 | jpdrawneek, for future reference #opensuse-kiwi is the channel for kiwi specific problems
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| 12:47 | :)
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| 12:47 | :)
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| 12:53 | <jpdrawneek> gbolte: its not a kiwi problem
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| 12:53 | gbolte: its not a kiwi problem
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| 12:53 | I could not get ubuntu ltsp to work either
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| 12:53 | I could not get ubuntu ltsp to work either
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| 12:55 | <Blinny> beer?
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| 12:55 | beer?
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| 12:56 | <jpdrawneek> Blinny: your round then....
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| 12:56 | Blinny: your round then....
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| 13:17 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok
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| 13:17 | ok
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| 13:18 | warren: just got finished with a lot of crap. I feel accomplished! :D
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| 13:18 | warren: just got finished with a lot of crap. I feel accomplished! :D
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| 13:18 | warren: yesterday, I stopped after getting some wireshark reads from the server
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| 13:18 | warren: yesterday, I stopped after getting some wireshark reads from the server
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| 13:18 | warren: I was not able to see anything pertaining to what it was requesting in wireshark. Where should I be looking?
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| 13:18 | warren: I was not able to see anything pertaining to what it was requesting in wireshark. Where should I be looking?
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| 13:19 | <yallax_up> my ltsp users have their home folder in /home/domain/username but all users seems to have read permissions on all their files for everyone.. id like to have permission 0700.. how can i do that automaticly, when a user logs in or his home folder is created?
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| 13:19 | my ltsp users have their home folder in /home/domain/username but all users seems to have read permissions on all their files for everyone.. id like to have permission 0700.. how can i do that automaticly, when a user logs in or his home folder is created?
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| 13:24 | or.. how do i make it so every new user has 0700 permission as default on their home folder
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| 13:24 | or.. how do i make it so every new user has 0700 permission as default on their home folder
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| 13:25 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: you have to go into detail view of the initial DHCP packet from the client
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| 13:25 | _UsUrPeR_: you have to go into detail view of the initial DHCP packet from the client
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| 13:25 | _UsUrPeR_: it has a client identifier string somewhere in there
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| 13:25 | _UsUrPeR_: it has a client identifier string somewhere in there
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| 13:26 | _UsUrPeR_: my Etherboot-5.0.5 client says "Etherboot-5.0" for example
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| 13:26 | _UsUrPeR_: my Etherboot-5.0.5 client says "Etherboot-5.0" for example
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| 13:26 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok.
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| 13:26 | ok.
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| 13:28 | <bytor4232> i would suggest trying your luck in the #ltsp channel.
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| 13:28 | i would suggest trying your luck in the #ltsp channel.
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| 13:28 | Or the #samba channel. If its active directory, its probably a samba issue.
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| 13:28 | Or the #samba channel. If its active directory, its probably a samba issue.
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| 13:30 | <warren> that was interesting.
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| 13:30 | that was interesting.
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| 13:31 | <yallax_up> Oo
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| 13:31 | Oo
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| 13:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: yes. it's Etherboot-5.0
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| 13:31 | warren: yes. it's Etherboot-5.0
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| 13:31 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: ok, then try the latest ltsp-server from my repo, and rebuild your chroot again
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| 13:31 | _UsUrPeR_: ok, then try the latest ltsp-server from my repo, and rebuild your chroot again
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| 13:32 | _UsUrPeR_: with the new default dhcpd.conf it should JUST WORK
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| 13:32 | _UsUrPeR_: with the new default dhcpd.conf it should JUST WORK
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| 13:32 | no manual configuration
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| 13:32 | no manual configuration
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| 13:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: what, seriously? Awesome!
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| 13:32 | warren: what, seriously? Awesome!
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| 13:32 | * _UsUrPeR_ reads above | |
| 13:32 | * _UsUrPeR_ reads above | |
| 13:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> flpxj
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| 13:32 | flpxj
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| 13:35 | warren: ok, just installed the ltsp-server-5.1.19-1.i386.rpm
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| 13:35 | warren: ok, just installed the ltsp-server-5.1.19-1.i386.rpm
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| 13:36 | warren: so is this going to keep the bridge?
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| 13:36 | warren: so is this going to keep the bridge?
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| 13:36 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: it should, you screwed that up yourself somehow last time.
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| 13:36 | _UsUrPeR_: it should, you screwed that up yourself somehow last time.
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| 13:38 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: I sure did :/
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| 13:38 | warren: I sure did :/
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| 13:40 | warren: ok, had to kill vmware due to another OS screwing up. I have just rebooted Fedora after installing your RPM
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| 13:40 | warren: ok, had to kill vmware due to another OS screwing up. I have just rebooted Fedora after installing your RPM
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| 13:40 | what is the next step?
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| 13:40 | what is the next step?
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| 13:42 | warren: in the interim, I have tried booting. It's not working and here is the error:
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| 13:42 | warren: in the interim, I have tried booting. It's not working and here is the error:
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| 13:43 | ..Me: 172.31.100.100, Server: 172.31.100.254, Gateway 172.31.100.254
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| 13:43 | ..Me: 172.31.100.100, Server: 172.31.100.254, Gateway 172.31.100.254
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| 13:43 | Loading 172.31.100.254:/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/legacy-nbi.ltsp .TFTP error 1
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| 13:43 | Loading 172.31.100.254:/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/legacy-nbi.ltsp .TFTP error 1
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| 13:43 | (File not found)
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| 13:43 | (File not found)
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| 13:43 | Unable to load file
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| 13:43 | Unable to load file
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| 13:43 | <sleep>
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| 13:43 | <sleep>
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| 13:43 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: wipe out your chroot and nistall it again
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| 13:43 | _UsUrPeR_: wipe out your chroot and nistall it again
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| 13:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, doing now
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| 13:45 | ok, doing now
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| 13:45 | ltsp-build-client --arch i386
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| 13:45 | ltsp-build-client --arch i386
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| 13:45 | <warren> you don't need --arch i386
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| 13:45 | you don't need --arch i386
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| 13:45 | it defaults to i386 on i386 and x86_64 hosts
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| 13:45 | it defaults to i386 on i386 and x86_64 hosts
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| 13:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: oh. I got used to that when working with suse
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| 13:45 | warren: oh. I got used to that when working with suse
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| 13:51 | <johnny> yeah, i did that too warren
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| 13:51 | yeah, i did that too warren
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| 13:52 | ogra, did you end up opting that way?
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| 13:52 | ogra, did you end up opting that way?
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| 13:52 | for intrepid*
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| 13:52 | for intrepid*
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| 13:53 | <warren> ltsp-trunk/server/plugins/ltsp-build-client/common/001-set-arch is not common
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| 13:53 | ltsp-trunk/server/plugins/ltsp-build-client/common/001-set-arch is not common
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| 13:53 | everyone overrides it in their own way.
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| 13:53 | everyone overrides it in their own way.
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| 13:53 | we might as well delete it
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| 13:53 | we might as well delete it
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| 13:54 | <johnny> if it would work for x86.. i'd use it
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| 13:54 | if it would work for x86.. i'd use it
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| 13:54 | we don't use i386
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| 13:54 | we don't use i386
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| 13:57 | <fsgaston2> If you have 12 classroom and 7 servers, how to you have a classroom only see one printer in LTSP 5
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| 13:57 | If you have 12 classroom and 7 servers, how to you have a classroom only see one printer in LTSP 5
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| 14:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: etyack wants to know the location of your instructions
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| 14:00 | warren: etyack wants to know the location of your instructions
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| 14:04 | <gbolte> fsgaston2, setting the default printer dosent work for the users of each classroom?
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| 14:04 | fsgaston2, setting the default printer dosent work for the users of each classroom?
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| 14:05 | or you want to make it so only particular classrooms can use a printer?
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| 14:05 | or you want to make it so only particular classrooms can use a printer?
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| 14:05 | may need to play with printer permissions in CUPS
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| 14:05 | may need to play with printer permissions in CUPS
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| 14:09 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: instructions for that?
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| 14:09 | _UsUrPeR_: instructions for that?
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| 14:11 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: yeah. you had said yesterday that there was instructions I should be following, but I didn't see anything on your site pertaining to that. Did I miss a URL somewhere?
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| 14:11 | warren: yeah. you had said yesterday that there was instructions I should be following, but I didn't see anything on your site pertaining to that. Did I miss a URL somewhere?
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| 14:12 | <gbolte> fsgaston2, there is an allowed users list per each printer in my cups web interface I assume that is what you would need to do to manage who can print where
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| 14:12 | fsgaston2, there is an allowed users list per each printer in my cups web interface I assume that is what you would need to do to manage who can print where
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| 14:12 | :D
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| 14:12 | :D
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| 14:12 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/NetworkSetup this mentions things that would have avoided your problem
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| 14:12 | _UsUrPeR_: https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/NetworkSetup this mentions things that would have avoided your problem
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| 14:12 | i suppose it needs reorg
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| 14:12 | i suppose it needs reorg
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| 14:17 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: ok, finished creating a new environment.
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| 14:17 | warren: ok, finished creating a new environment.
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| 14:18 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: is the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf the default shipped in ltsp-server-5.1.19?
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| 14:18 | _UsUrPeR_: is the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf the default shipped in ltsp-server-5.1.19?
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| 14:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: testing, no dice. giving the same error as above
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| 14:18 | warren: testing, no dice. giving the same error as above
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| 14:18 | <warren> you might need to restart ltsp-dhcpd
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| 14:18 | you might need to restart ltsp-dhcpd
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| 14:21 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: eureka! That's a lot of dots...
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| 14:21 | warren: eureka! That's a lot of dots...
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| 14:22 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: does it actually boot after the dots?
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| 14:22 | _UsUrPeR_: does it actually boot after the dots?
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| 14:22 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: ok, now it prints out a ton of dots, comes to the end and says "Unable to load file."
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| 14:22 | warren: ok, now it prints out a ton of dots, comes to the end and says "Unable to load file."
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| 14:22 | warren: then it prints more dotsthen it
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| 14:22 | warren: then it prints more dotsthen it
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| 14:22 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: what nbi filenames is it pointing at in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf?
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| 14:22 | _UsUrPeR_: what nbi filenames is it pointing at in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf?
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| 14:23 | <_UsUrPeR_> "/ltsp/i386/legacy-nbi.ltsp"
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| 14:23 | "/ltsp/i386/legacy-nbi.ltsp"
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| 14:24 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: is there a /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf.rpmnew?
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| 14:24 | _UsUrPeR_: is there a /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf.rpmnew?
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| 14:25 | _UsUrPeR_: you didn't replace the old dhcpd.conf. if you modified a config file it wont upgrade it to the new version.
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| 14:25 | _UsUrPeR_: you didn't replace the old dhcpd.conf. if you modified a config file it wont upgrade it to the new version.
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| 14:25 | _UsUrPeR_: just move it over, restart the service again
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| 14:25 | _UsUrPeR_: just move it over, restart the service again
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| 14:26 | <_UsUrPeR_> there is an rpmnew
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| 14:26 | there is an rpmnew
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| 14:28 | by "restart the service" you eant me to /etc/init.d/ltsp-dhcpd restart?
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| 14:28 | by "restart the service" you eant me to /etc/init.d/ltsp-dhcpd restart?
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| 14:28 | after moving the filename
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| 14:28 | after moving the filename
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| 14:28 | just did that, it didn't re-create anything
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| 14:28 | just did that, it didn't re-create anything
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| 14:29 | there we go. I got it
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| 14:29 | there we go. I got it
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| 14:30 | warren: ok, ok. Tell erick to stop hitting me
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| 14:30 | warren: ok, ok. Tell erick to stop hitting me
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| 14:30 | warren: we're all set. this looks great.
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| 14:30 | warren: we're all set. this looks great.
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| 14:31 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: you're actaully there with eryck?
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| 14:31 | _UsUrPeR_: you're actaully there with eryck?
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| 14:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> I work for him
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| 14:31 | I work for him
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| 14:31 | <warren> oh
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| 14:31 | oh
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| 14:32 | _UsUrPeR_: well, you can tell him one of the ancinet clients he sent me is credited for fixing this.
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| 14:32 | _UsUrPeR_: well, you can tell him one of the ancinet clients he sent me is credited for fixing this.
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| 14:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> etyack says you're welcome1
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| 14:32 | etyack says you're welcome1
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| 14:39 | <etyack> warren: the rpm you had _UsUrPeR_ work with, do you recommend using it on a production server? Or is this slated for more testing and FC 10?
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| 14:39 | warren: the rpm you had _UsUrPeR_ work with, do you recommend using it on a production server? Or is this slated for more testing and FC 10?
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| 14:40 | <warren> etyack: if no problems are found, i'm going to rebuild it with no changes and push it into Fedora 9 updates.
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| 14:40 | etyack: if no problems are found, i'm going to rebuild it with no changes and push it into Fedora 9 updates.
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| 14:40 | <etyack> warren: any idea of time frame?
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| 14:40 | warren: any idea of time frame?
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| 14:41 | <warren> etyack: maybe a week, I want to do a lot more testing
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| 14:41 | etyack: maybe a week, I want to do a lot more testing
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| 14:41 | etyack: I might add more minor unrelated fixes though
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| 14:41 | etyack: I might add more minor unrelated fixes though
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| 14:42 | etyack: what kind of hardware is that client with old etherboot?
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| 14:42 | etyack: what kind of hardware is that client with old etherboot?
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| 14:42 | etyack: I got it working last night with a Jammin-125
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| 14:42 | etyack: I got it working last night with a Jammin-125
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| 14:43 | <etyack> ltsp term 150/tk-3350 via based client
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| 14:43 | ltsp term 150/tk-3350 via based client
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| 14:44 | wow jammin-125! does the video work well? the nsc ship has been a real problem.
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| 14:44 | wow jammin-125! does the video work well? the nsc ship has been a real problem.
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| 14:44 | if you have a 150/tk-3350 it may not use Etherboot
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| 14:44 | if you have a 150/tk-3350 it may not use Etherboot
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| 14:45 | <warren> etyack: no, the upstream nsc driver has been broken in xorg 1.5
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| 14:45 | etyack: no, the upstream nsc driver has been broken in xorg 1.5
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| 14:45 | etyack: waiting on someone to merge the old nsc driver into the geode driver.
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| 14:45 | etyack: waiting on someone to merge the old nsc driver into the geode driver.
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| 14:45 | etyack: the merge will also allow GX2 to be autodetected, currently upstream refuses to allow it
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| 14:45 | etyack: the merge will also allow GX2 to be autodetected, currently upstream refuses to allow it
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| 14:46 | <warren> etyack: any progress on getting atom? I've been playing with it lately as a thin client. it is indeed awesome.
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| 14:46 | etyack: any progress on getting atom? I've been playing with it lately as a thin client. it is indeed awesome.
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| 14:46 | etyack: Intel 945 video and 1.6GHz proc
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| 14:46 | etyack: Intel 945 video and 1.6GHz proc
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| 14:48 | <etyack> warren: nothing yet. we have 6 new thin clients to test, but nothing atom based, all via
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| 14:48 | warren: nothing yet. we have 6 new thin clients to test, but nothing atom based, all via
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| 14:48 | sorry, one is amd - thin-can
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| 14:48 | sorry, one is amd - thin-can
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| 14:48 | <triaxe> we are on a university, and use xubuntu ltsp servers.. ubuntu/xubuntu seems to set the permission rw-r-r on all new users home folders.. is there a login script or somthing that can set /home/username to rw----(0700) ?
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| 14:48 | we are on a university, and use xubuntu ltsp servers.. ubuntu/xubuntu seems to set the permission rw-r-r on all new users home folders.. is there a login script or somthing that can set /home/username to rw----(0700) ?
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| 14:48 | <warren> etyack: hopefully Harald Welte now working for VIA will make them suck less...
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| 14:48 | etyack: hopefully Harald Welte now working for VIA will make them suck less...
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| 14:49 | <etyack> suck less is good...,
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| 14:49 | suck less is good...,
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| 14:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> etyack: that booted fine too
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| 14:49 | etyack: that booted fine too
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| 14:50 | <etyack> great!
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| 14:50 | great!
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| 14:52 | <warren> vagrantc: so I seriously can't rely on /usr/bin/chvt?
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| 14:52 | vagrantc: so I seriously can't rely on /usr/bin/chvt?
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| 14:52 | vagrantc: us other distros seem to have /usr/bin/chvt
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| 14:52 | vagrantc: us other distros seem to have /usr/bin/chvt
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| 14:55 | <vagrantc> warren: debian has it too, but it also has /bin/chvt.
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| 14:55 | warren: debian has it too, but it also has /bin/chvt.
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| 14:56 | warren: if it's so abhorrent, i can patch around it in debian.
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| 14:56 | warren: if it's so abhorrent, i can patch around it in debian.
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| 14:56 | <warren> vagrantc: I'll just do the PATH thing again...
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| 14:56 | vagrantc: I'll just do the PATH thing again...
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| 14:56 | <johnny> /usr/bin/chvt here..
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| 14:56 | /usr/bin/chvt here..
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| 14:59 | <gbolte> /bin/chvt here
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| 14:59 | /bin/chvt here
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| 14:59 | <vagrantc> so, i've got this wonderful user who wants tcsh to work with ldm ... i've got a patch for ldm 2.0.6 and it shouldn't be hard to forward port that to current upstream ...
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| 14:59 | so, i've got this wonderful user who wants tcsh to work with ldm ... i've got a patch for ldm 2.0.6 and it shouldn't be hard to forward port that to current upstream ...
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| 15:00 | it basically amounts to pre-pending "env" to our LDM ssh calls.
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| 15:00 | it basically amounts to pre-pending "env" to our LDM ssh calls.
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| 15:00 | anything that calls ssh via the tunnel would also probably have to do so.
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| 15:00 | anything that calls ssh via the tunnel would also probably have to do so.
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| 15:00 | and then switching the "kill -1 $PPID" approach to "exec sh kill -1 $PPID"
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| 15:00 | and then switching the "kill -1 $PPID" approach to "exec sh kill -1 $PPID"
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| 15:01 | since $PPID isn't available as a variable in tcsh ...
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| 15:01 | since $PPID isn't available as a variable in tcsh ...
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| 15:01 | so the question comes down to: do we refuse to support tcsh in ldm?
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| 15:01 | so the question comes down to: do we refuse to support tcsh in ldm?
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| 15:03 | http://bugs.debian.org/490897
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| 15:03 | http://bugs.debian.org/490897
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| 15:03 | i guess i should post to the list about it...
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| 15:03 | i guess i should post to the list about it...
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| 15:06 | <johnny> warren, it'd be nice to have a slackware person around to ask such things to
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| 15:06 | warren, it'd be nice to have a slackware person around to ask such things to
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| 15:06 | <etyack> warren: in ltsp 4.2, lts.conf used "like" where you specified a client hardware/option configuration and then could apply it to additional clients using "LIKE = ". Is that capability available in FC9 w/LTSP 5?
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| 15:06 | warren: in ltsp 4.2, lts.conf used "like" where you specified a client hardware/option configuration and then could apply it to additional clients using "LIKE = ". Is that capability available in FC9 w/LTSP 5?
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| 15:06 | <warren> vagrantc: IMHO, no.
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| 15:06 | vagrantc: IMHO, no.
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| 15:07 | vagrantc: (t)csh are effectively different languages than *ash
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| 15:07 | vagrantc: (t)csh are effectively different languages than *ash
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| 15:07 | <Gadi> etyack: yes
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| 15:07 | etyack: yes
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| 15:07 | <etyack> Gadi: thanks
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| 15:07 | Gadi: thanks
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| 15:07 | <Gadi> and hi
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| 15:07 | and hi
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| 15:07 | :)
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| 15:07 | :)
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| 15:07 | <warren> etyack: I never understood the like option
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| 15:07 | etyack: I never understood the like option
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| 15:07 | <etyack> howdy
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| 15:07 | howdy
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| 15:07 | <warren> etyack: we're using the same lts.conf parser in fedora as ltsp-trunk and all the other distros
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| 15:07 | etyack: we're using the same lts.conf parser in fedora as ltsp-trunk and all the other distros
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| 15:07 | <Gadi> warren: don't you touch my LIKE option - I need that ;)
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| 15:07 | warren: don't you touch my LIKE option - I need that ;)
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| 15:07 | <etyack> we are helping a client transition to fc9 ltsp 5 and they used it ALOT
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| 15:07 | we are helping a client transition to fc9 ltsp 5 and they used it ALOT
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| 15:07 | <vagrantc> warren: well i know it's a different language, but if a user wants tcsh as their default shell, it seems a bit restrictive to say you must use a bourne-derived shell...
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| 15:07 | warren: well i know it's a different language, but if a user wants tcsh as their default shell, it seems a bit restrictive to say you must use a bourne-derived shell...
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| 15:08 | <etyack> warren: thanks
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| 15:08 | warren: thanks
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| 15:08 | <johnny> does it work like SQL LIKE? :)
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| 15:08 | does it work like SQL LIKE? :)
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| 15:08 | <Gadi> johnny: no
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| 15:08 | johnny: no
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| 15:08 | :)
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| 15:08 | :)
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| 15:08 | <warren> default shell != shell used in the scripts
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| 15:08 | default shell != shell used in the scripts
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| 15:08 | <vagrantc> warren: agreed.
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| 15:08 | warren: agreed.
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| 15:08 | <warren> and anybody using tcsh as their default shell is just insane
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| 15:08 | and anybody using tcsh as their default shell is just insane
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| 15:09 | <Gadi> amen! down with emacs
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| 15:09 | amen! down with emacs
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| 15:09 | long live vi
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| 15:09 | long live vi
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| 15:09 | <warren> yay
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| 15:09 | yay
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| 15:09 | <vagrantc> warren: if a user sets their default shell to tcsh, because of some of the assumptions we made with ldm, it fails to login.
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| 15:09 | warren: if a user sets their default shell to tcsh, because of some of the assumptions we made with ldm, it fails to login.
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| 15:09 | <johnny> down with vimacs!
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| 15:09 | down with vimacs!
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| 15:09 | <warren> vagrantc: that is a bug we need to fix in our code then.
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| 15:09 | vagrantc: that is a bug we need to fix in our code then.
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| 15:09 | <vagrantc> ok. i'll post to the list about it.
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| 15:09 | ok. i'll post to the list about it.
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| 15:09 | <warren> vagrantc: but it is completely unreasonable to add stuff to every script to support an entirely different language
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| 15:09 | vagrantc: but it is completely unreasonable to add stuff to every script to support an entirely different language
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| 15:10 | our /etc/profile.d has two sets of scripts for *ash and *csh
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| 15:10 | our /etc/profile.d has two sets of scripts for *ash and *csh
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| 15:10 | because they are different languages
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| 15:10 | because they are different languages
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> warren: well, for ldm 2.0.6 it looks like a 3 line patch, and probably comparable for current ldm-trunk.
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| 15:11 | warren: well, for ldm 2.0.6 it looks like a 3 line patch, and probably comparable for current ldm-trunk.
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| 15:11 | <warren> vagrantc: this sets a bad precedent though
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| 15:11 | vagrantc: this sets a bad precedent though
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| 15:11 | vagrantc: we're restricted in the language we use in scripts
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| 15:11 | vagrantc: we're restricted in the language we use in scripts
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> warren: i don't think it will be a lot of changes, but yes, it could get ugly in the future.
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| 15:13 | warren: i don't think it will be a lot of changes, but yes, it could get ugly in the future.
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| 15:14 | <warren> vagrantc: that person has /bin/sh linked to tcsh?
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| 15:14 | vagrantc: that person has /bin/sh linked to tcsh?
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| 15:14 | that would break so many other things
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| 15:14 | that would break so many other things
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| 15:14 | we really can't be responsible if that is the case
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| 15:14 | we really can't be responsible if that is the case
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| 15:14 | <vagrantc> warren: no, their user's default shell is /bin/tcsh
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| 15:14 | warren: no, their user's default shell is /bin/tcsh
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| 15:15 | i.e. chsh -s /bin/tcsh USER
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| 15:15 | i.e. chsh -s /bin/tcsh USER
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| 15:15 | <warren> ok
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| 15:15 | ok
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| 15:15 | can we make sure our scripts run as /bin/sh?
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| 15:15 | can we make sure our scripts run as /bin/sh?
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> posted to the list just now.
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| 15:15 | posted to the list just now.
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| 15:15 | <warren> I'm 100% against adding things that make csh syntax work
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| 15:15 | I'm 100% against adding things that make csh syntax work
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> agreed.
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| 15:15 | agreed.
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| 15:15 | <warren> I'm for making sure scripts run with /bin/sh
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| 15:15 | I'm for making sure scripts run with /bin/sh
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| 15:15 | <Gadi> +1
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| 15:15 | +1
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| 15:15 | <warren> oh, there's lots of syntax that is different between csh and tcsh too.
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| 15:15 | oh, there's lots of syntax that is different between csh and tcsh too.
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| 15:15 | it is a mess
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| 15:15 | it is a mess
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| 15:16 | <vagrantc> well, this is basically just how to set variables on the commandline.
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| 15:16 | well, this is basically just how to set variables on the commandline.
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| 15:16 | <vagrantc> and the $PPID variable's lack of existance.
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| 15:16 | and the $PPID variable's lack of existance.
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| 15:16 | which is kind of hacky and we'd like to get rid of anyways.
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| 15:16 | which is kind of hacky and we'd like to get rid of anyways.
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| 15:20 | <Gadi> vagrantc: btw - what process was not letting things log out with ssh -O again?
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| 15:20 | vagrantc: btw - what process was not letting things log out with ssh -O again?
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| 15:20 | <warren> it was variable I think
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| 15:20 | it was variable I think
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| 15:20 | <Gadi> was it something that dissociated from the sshd process?
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| 15:20 | was it something that dissociated from the sshd process?
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| 15:20 | <warren> Gadi: any progress on splitting X out?
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| 15:20 | Gadi: any progress on splitting X out?
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> Gadi: icewm was the window manager, and it was dbus that was hanging
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| 15:20 | Gadi: icewm was the window manager, and it was dbus that was hanging
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| 15:21 | <Gadi> warren: you'll be the first to know
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| 15:21 | warren: you'll be the first to know
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| 15:21 | :)
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| 15:21 | :)
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| 15:21 | <vagrantc> Gadi: or, dbus-launch
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| 15:21 | Gadi: or, dbus-launch
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| 15:21 | <Gadi> vagrantc: did sshd die but not dbus?
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| 15:21 | vagrantc: did sshd die but not dbus?
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| 15:21 | or was sshd still running?
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| 15:21 | or was sshd still running?
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| 15:21 | <vagrantc> sshd would still run
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| 15:21 | sshd would still run
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| 15:22 | <Gadi> interesting
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| 15:22 | interesting
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| 15:22 | could I propose something?
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| 15:22 | could I propose something?
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| 15:23 | <moquist_> ogra (or anyone): I used to use ramdisk_size=32000 root=/dev/rd0 rw nfsroot=10.2.1.1:/opt/ltsp/i386 in my PXE config to boot TCs to LTSP servers with NFS TC roots. How can I boot to an LTSP server using an NBD root?
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| 15:23 | ogra (or anyone): I used to use ramdisk_size=32000 root=/dev/rd0 rw nfsroot=10.2.1.1:/opt/ltsp/i386 in my PXE config to boot TCs to LTSP servers with NFS TC roots. How can I boot to an LTSP server using an NBD root?
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| 15:23 | <vagrantc> i haven't tried it with -O exit on the same call, but i'm really skeptical if that'll work any better, as the command won't complete.
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| 15:23 | i haven't tried it with -O exit on the same call, but i'm really skeptical if that'll work any better, as the command won't complete.
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| 15:23 | <Gadi> I bet we could take out both ssh -O and kill.... and create two kill rc.d scripts
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| 15:23 | I bet we could take out both ssh -O and kill.... and create two kill rc.d scripts
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| 15:23 | 98sshO
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| 15:23 | 98sshO
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| 15:23 | 99sshKill
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| 15:23 | 99sshKill
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| 15:23 | <warren> monteslu: ramdisk_size is for what?
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| 15:23 | monteslu: ramdisk_size is for what?
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| 15:23 | oops
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| 15:23 | oops
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| 15:23 | <Gadi> er, 98KsshO
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| 15:23 | er, 98KsshO
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| 15:23 | <warren> moquist_: ^^
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| 15:23 | moquist_: ^^
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| 15:23 | <Gadi> 99KsshKill
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| 15:23 | 99KsshKill
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| 15:23 | <vagrantc> Gadi: the problem is that the ssh Xsession bit never finishes
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| 15:23 | Gadi: the problem is that the ssh Xsession bit never finishes
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| 15:23 | <warren> Gadi: do those scripts actually run?
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| 15:23 | Gadi: do those scripts actually run?
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| 15:24 | <vagrantc> Gadi: so no additional scripts would be run
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| 15:24 | Gadi: so no additional scripts would be run
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| 15:24 | <Gadi> but, it must finish, because otherwise ;kill would not be called
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| 15:24 | but, it must finish, because otherwise ;kill would not be called
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| 15:25 | <moquist_> warren: heh; it's been a long time since I set that up...I think the kernel needed to be told to create a ramdisk, else it didn't. Beats me why a PXE config on a remote server is different than on the LTSP server...
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| 15:25 | warren: heh; it's been a long time since I set that up...I think the kernel needed to be told to create a ramdisk, else it didn't. Beats me why a PXE config on a remote server is different than on the LTSP server...
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| 15:25 | <vagrantc> the command finishes, but the tunnel doesn't close because it's got stuff running
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| 15:25 | the command finishes, but the tunnel doesn't close because it's got stuff running
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| 15:25 | <Gadi> right
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| 15:25 | right
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| 15:25 | so if ssh -O does not kill it (98)
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| 15:25 | so if ssh -O does not kill it (98)
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| 15:25 | <vagrantc> that's why kill works.
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| 15:25 | that's why kill works.
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| 15:25 | <moquist_> more to the point now, I need some way to tell my kernel where to find its NBD root.
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| 15:25 | more to the point now, I need some way to tell my kernel where to find its NBD root.
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| 15:25 | <Gadi> then, ssh kill $PPID (99) would
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| 15:25 | then, ssh kill $PPID (99) would
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| 15:26 | <vagrantc> Gadi: enough talk, time for testing.
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| 15:26 | Gadi: enough talk, time for testing.
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| 15:26 | <Gadi> but, it would kill it after running through all the kill scripts
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| 15:26 | but, it would kill it after running through all the kill scripts
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| 15:26 | :)
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| 15:26 | :)
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| 15:26 | <moquist_> the PXE config on hardy says "DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash", and I don't understand how the kernel knows where to find root.
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| 15:26 | the PXE config on hardy says "DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash", and I don't understand how the kernel knows where to find root.
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| 15:27 | (I don't think I really understood that with NFS roots either, but it's been over a year since I've thought about it.)
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| 15:27 | (I don't think I really understood that with NFS roots either, but it's been over a year since I've thought about it.)
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| 15:29 | <johnny> moquist, it can get the root path from the server
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| 15:29 | moquist, it can get the root path from the server
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| 15:29 | via dhcp
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| 15:29 | via dhcp
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| 15:30 | <moquist> johnny: *doh* It's been so long...
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| 15:30 | johnny: *doh* It's been so long...
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| 15:31 | <Gadi> moquist: default is LTSP server and port 2000
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| 15:31 | moquist: default is LTSP server and port 2000
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| 15:31 | you can specify kernel param: nbdroot=<IP:2000>
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| 15:31 | you can specify kernel param: nbdroot=<IP:2000>
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| 15:31 | <moquist> Gadi: how can I pass something on the kernel cmd line to change the default. .. yay!
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| 15:31 | Gadi: how can I pass something on the kernel cmd line to change the default. .. yay!
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| 15:31 | <Nick_Hill> I am just re-installing on totally different hardware, but has anyone else experienced a bug where you cannot log into a new user account through the thin client until the server has been rebooted? Ubuntu/8.04
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| 15:31 | I am just re-installing on totally different hardware, but has anyone else experienced a bug where you cannot log into a new user account through the thin client until the server has been rebooted? Ubuntu/8.04
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| 15:32 | <vagrantc> Gadi: ok, so, what do you propose to change?
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| 15:32 | Gadi: ok, so, what do you propose to change?
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| 15:32 | <Gadi> I am proposing, taking out the kill call
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| 15:32 | I am proposing, taking out the kill call
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| 15:32 | and do both kinds of kills in rc.d
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| 15:32 | and do both kinds of kills in rc.d
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| 15:32 | sshO first
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| 15:32 | sshO first
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| 15:32 | sshKill second
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| 15:32 | sshKill second
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| 15:33 | so: rc.d/K98-sshO
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| 15:33 | so: rc.d/K98-sshO
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| 15:33 | <moquist> I have 25 minutes before I have to leave, and I won't be back in the office until the kids start school on the 27th. Now I can continue working remotely on our LTSP servers (because I can boot VMs to various different LTSP servers in different subnets).
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| 15:33 | I have 25 minutes before I have to leave, and I won't be back in the office until the kids start school on the 27th. Now I can continue working remotely on our LTSP servers (because I can boot VMs to various different LTSP servers in different subnets).
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| 15:33 | Gadi, johnny, warren: thanks!
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| 15:33 | Gadi, johnny, warren: thanks!
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| 15:33 | <Gadi> vagrantc: and, rc.d/K99-sshKill
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| 15:33 | vagrantc: and, rc.d/K99-sshKill
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| 15:33 | moquist: np
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| 15:33 | moquist: np
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| 15:34 | K98-sshO: ssh ... -S ... -O exit
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| 15:34 | K98-sshO: ssh ... -S ... -O exit
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| 15:34 | K99-sshKill: ssh ... -S ... 'kill -1 ${PPID}'
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| 15:34 | K99-sshKill: ssh ... -S ... 'kill -1 ${PPID}'
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| 15:35 | <vagrantc> Gadi: in the rc.d directories?
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| 15:35 | Gadi: in the rc.d directories?
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| 15:36 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 15:36 | yeah
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| 15:36 | * vagrantc commits acts of evil .... mv kill kill.orig ; ln -s /bin/true kill | |
| 15:36 | * vagrantc commits acts of evil .... mv kill kill.orig ; ln -s /bin/true kill | |
| 15:37 | <Gadi> yikes - why?
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| 15:37 | yikes - why?
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| 15:37 | <vagrantc> so i don't have to re-build ldm :)
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| 15:37 | so i don't have to re-build ldm :)
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| 15:37 | <Gadi> but, you still need kill
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| 15:37 | but, you still need kill
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| 15:37 | :)
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| 15:37 | :)
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| 15:37 | <Gadi> unless you move it somewhere else
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| 15:37 | unless you move it somewhere else
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| 15:37 | <vagrantc> kill.orig will come in handy.
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| 15:37 | kill.orig will come in handy.
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| 15:37 | <Gadi> ok
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| 15:37 | ok
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| 15:37 | u are evil
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| 15:37 | u are evil
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| 15:38 | <vagrantc> it's just a hackish test ... if it works, i'll actually do it more properly.
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| 15:38 | it's just a hackish test ... if it works, i'll actually do it more properly.
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| 15:38 | <Gadi> but only because you "live backwards"
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| 15:38 | but only because you "live backwards"
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| 15:38 | har har har
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| 15:38 | har har har
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| 15:46 | <vagrantc> oh hell. kill is a shell builtin.
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| 15:46 | oh hell. kill is a shell builtin.
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| 15:46 | GAH.
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| 15:46 | GAH.
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| 15:47 | <johnny> but is it built in tcsh .. har har :)
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| 15:47 | but is it built in tcsh .. har har :)
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| 15:50 | <vagrantc> Gadi: "ssh -O exit blah blah blah true" is actually hanging
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| 15:50 | Gadi: "ssh -O exit blah blah blah true" is actually hanging
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| 15:51 | <Gadi> what the blah?
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| 15:51 | what the blah?
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| 15:51 | it should just be: ssh -S <socket> -O exit
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| 15:51 | it should just be: ssh -S <socket> -O exit
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| 15:51 | oh, and server
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| 15:51 | oh, and server
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| 15:51 | you don't need more than that
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| 15:51 | you don't need more than that
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| 15:52 | ssh -S ${LDM_SOCKET} -O exit ${LDM_SERVER}
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| 15:52 | ssh -S ${LDM_SOCKET} -O exit ${LDM_SERVER}
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| 15:52 | <vagrantc> will try
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| 15:52 | will try
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| 15:54 | <sutula> vagrantc: I haven't been paying attention lately. :( How are the Lenny (frozen) ltsp bits these days? Are they pretty clean, or will installations want to continue with a -backports version?
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| 15:54 | vagrantc: I haven't been paying attention lately. :( How are the Lenny (frozen) ltsp bits these days? Are they pretty clean, or will installations want to continue with a -backports version?
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| 15:56 | <vagrantc> sutula: i'm overall pretty happy with them.
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| 15:56 | sutula: i'm overall pretty happy with them.
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| 15:56 | sutula: only thing missing is localapps, which actually doesn't require an actual backport to implement.
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| 15:56 | sutula: only thing missing is localapps, which actually doesn't require an actual backport to implement.
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| 15:57 | <sutula> OK...I've been watching the -release mailing list and haven't seen any pleas from you :)
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| 15:57 | OK...I've been watching the -release mailing list and haven't seen any pleas from you :)
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| 15:57 | <vagrantc> sutula: there was a significant rewrite of ldm, but it was basically re-writting the same weekend of the freeze, so i'm hesitant to push it.
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| 15:57 | sutula: there was a significant rewrite of ldm, but it was basically re-writting the same weekend of the freeze, so i'm hesitant to push it.
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| 15:57 | <sutula> The RM's frown on that
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| 15:57 | The RM's frown on that
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| 15:58 | <vagrantc> sutula: might get one or two more patches in, but overall, i think lenny's ltsp is looking pretty good.
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| 15:58 | sutula: might get one or two more patches in, but overall, i think lenny's ltsp is looking pretty good.
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| 15:58 | <sutula> It's hard for packages that are still very much in development, but then, that's what -backports is for
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| 15:58 | It's hard for packages that are still very much in development, but then, that's what -backports is for
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| 15:59 | <sutula> vagrantc: Anyway, thanks for the update
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| 15:59 | vagrantc: Anyway, thanks for the update
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| 16:00 | <vagrantc> sutula: i'm sure someday something will come along where i'll want to start doing backports again :)
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| 16:00 | sutula: i'm sure someday something will come along where i'll want to start doing backports again :)
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| 16:11 | <vagrantc> Gadi: still seems to hang...
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| 16:11 | Gadi: still seems to hang...
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| 16:11 | Gadi: though the command executes
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| 16:11 | Gadi: though the command executes
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| 16:11 | <Gadi> do both commands execute?
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| 16:11 | do both commands execute?
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| 16:11 | (the ssh kill one, too?)
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| 16:11 | (the ssh kill one, too?)
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| 16:13 | <vagrantc> it hangs on "ssh -O exit ..."
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| 16:13 | it hangs on "ssh -O exit ..."
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| 16:13 | but it actually executes it ...
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| 16:13 | but it actually executes it ...
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| 16:14 | <Gadi> thats odd
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| 16:14 | thats odd
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| 16:14 | is there anything in the logs/
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| 16:14 | is there anything in the logs/
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| 16:14 | <vagrantc> i put stuff in the logs
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| 16:14 | i put stuff in the logs
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| 16:14 | but nothing meaningful
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| 16:14 | but nothing meaningful
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| 16:14 | i'll try and do this the proper way rather than use my evil kill workaround
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| 16:14 | i'll try and do this the proper way rather than use my evil kill workaround
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| 16:15 | <Gadi> well, at this point, kill's not involved, right?
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| 16:15 | well, at this point, kill's not involved, right?
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| 16:15 | <vagrantc> well, that's hard to say, because kill is a shell builtin
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| 16:15 | well, that's hard to say, because kill is a shell builtin
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| 16:15 | <Gadi> ah
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| 16:15 | ah
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| 16:20 | <vagrantc> having the rc.d/K* scripts attempting to use the ssh socket seems to stall the login
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| 16:20 | having the rc.d/K* scripts attempting to use the ssh socket seems to stall the login
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| 16:20 | and kill appears to be happening.
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| 16:20 | and kill appears to be happening.
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| 16:20 | so i'll rebuild ldm and try again.
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| 16:20 | so i'll rebuild ldm and try again.
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| 16:20 | stall the logout, rather.
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| 16:20 | stall the logout, rather.
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| 16:21 | so, i guess the rc.d/K* scripts are executed after the kill kicks in, and somehow before the socket is removed, but doesn't work because sshd is killed.
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| 16:21 | so, i guess the rc.d/K* scripts are executed after the kill kicks in, and somehow before the socket is removed, but doesn't work because sshd is killed.
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| 16:21 | that's my guess, at least.
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| 16:21 | that's my guess, at least.
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| 16:33 | <vagrantc> hm.
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| 16:33 | hm.
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| 16:33 | i'm not exhibiting the same problems i was having before with icewm.
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| 16:33 | i'm not exhibiting the same problems i was having before with icewm.
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| 16:33 | not even using ssh -O
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| 16:33 | not even using ssh -O
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| 16:41 | hmmm... maybe something changed in lenny... or etch.
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| 16:41 | hmmm... maybe something changed in lenny... or etch.
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| 16:41 | hmmm... i am using openssh-server 5.1
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| 16:41 | hmmm... i am using openssh-server 5.1
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| 16:59 | <vagrantc> yes, it's definitely an openssh-server issue.
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| 16:59 | yes, it's definitely an openssh-server issue.
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| 16:59 | with openssh-server 5.1, ssh -O exit works great.
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| 16:59 | with openssh-server 5.1, ssh -O exit works great.
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| 17:00 | <vagrantc> so it looks like we need to conditionall add "kill -1 $PPID
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| 17:00 | so it looks like we need to conditionall add "kill -1 $PPID
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| 17:00 | " only if the version of openssh-server doesn't support it.
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| 17:00 | " only if the version of openssh-server doesn't support it.
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| 17:03 | * vagrantc wonders how to figure that out | |
| 17:03 | * vagrantc wonders how to figure that out | |
| 17:04 | <vagrantc> Gadi: hear that? it works! with openssh-server 5.1
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| 17:04 | Gadi: hear that? it works! with openssh-server 5.1
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| 17:05 | <Gadi> Yay!
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| 17:05 | Yay!
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| 17:05 | * Gadi wonders if we know what version | |
| 17:05 | * Gadi wonders if we know what version | |
| 17:05 | <Gadi> :)
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| 17:05 | :)
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| 17:06 | ie, which one it starts breaking in
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| 17:06 | ie, which one it starts breaking in
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| 17:06 | <vagrantc> well, 4.7p1-12 in debian lenny doesn't work
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| 17:06 | well, 4.7p1-12 in debian lenny doesn't work
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| 17:06 | so it'd have to be newer than that.
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| 17:06 | so it'd have to be newer than that.
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| 17:11 | <Gadi> another mystery solved
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| 17:11 | another mystery solved
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| 17:11 | now, as long as we have the rc.d dir, I'd propose keeping as many post-session scripts in there as possible
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| 17:11 | now, as long as we have the rc.d dir, I'd propose keeping as many post-session scripts in there as possible
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| 17:12 | altho, keeping them on the commandline for the session does handle sudden turn-offs of client
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| 17:12 | altho, keeping them on the commandline for the session does handle sudden turn-offs of client
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| 17:12 | hmm...
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| 17:12 | hmm...
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| 17:12 | <Gadi> maybe the kill scripts are useless in most cases, because we will always be concerned with improper logoffs
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| 17:12 | maybe the kill scripts are useless in most cases, because we will always be concerned with improper logoffs
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| 17:15 | <vagrantc> hard to say, exactly.
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| 17:15 | hard to say, exactly.
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| 17:16 | Gadi: the bad news is ... if we do both, the "ssh -O exit" hangs the session.
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| 17:16 | Gadi: the bad news is ... if we do both, the "ssh -O exit" hangs the session.
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| 17:16 | so we really hve to conditionally detect if it's worth doing.
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| 17:16 | so we really hve to conditionally detect if it's worth doing.
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| 17:18 | <Gadi> crap
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| 17:18 | crap
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| 17:19 | does "ssh -O check" work?
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| 17:19 | does "ssh -O check" work?
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| 17:19 | or does it also hang?
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| 17:19 | or does it also hang?
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| 17:19 | * vagrantc checks. | |
| 17:19 | * vagrantc checks. | |
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| 17:23 | <vagrantc> Gadi: no luck on -O check ...
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| 17:23 | Gadi: no luck on -O check ...
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| 17:23 | what good is check if it hangs? :)
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| 17:23 | what good is check if it hangs? :)
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| 17:24 | <Gadi> :)
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| 17:24 | :)
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| 17:24 | maybe there was different syntax in older version
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| 17:24 | maybe there was different syntax in older version
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| 17:24 | I dunno
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| 17:24 | I dunno
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| 17:24 | I gotta start heading out
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| 17:24 | I gotta start heading out
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| 17:24 | getting late
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| 17:24 | getting late
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| 17:25 | great work, tho, vagrantc
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| 17:25 | great work, tho, vagrantc
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| 17:25 | we're close
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| 17:25 | we're close
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| 17:25 | :)
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| 17:25 | :)
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| 17:25 | <vagrantc> Gadi: thanks for your help on this! :)
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| 17:25 | Gadi: thanks for your help on this! :)
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| 17:26 | <Gadi> cheer
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| 17:26 | cheer
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| 17:26 | s
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| 17:26 | s
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| 17:26 | :)
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| 17:26 | :)
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