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| 04:42 | <try2free> please, someone can tell how to get skype sound works in ubuntu 8.04 ??
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| 07:50 | <yoshi__> hi everyone
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| 07:51 | got a little question: we customize our gnome desktop for the teachers, easy stuff like a wallpaper and just a gnome pannel with icons on it (no menu)
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| 07:52 | we did this for 1 teacher, but i want 16 teachers to have the same desktop
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| 07:52 | how can i do this, do i have to customize all 15 our can i just copy over the home directory ?
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| 08:11 | <yoshi__> ot a little question: we customize our gnome desktop for the teachers, easy stuff like a wallpaper and just a gnome pannel with icons on it (no menu)
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| 08:11 | we did this for 1 teacher, but i want 16 teachers to have the same desktop
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| 08:11 | how can i do this, do i have to customize all 15 our can i just copy over the home directory ?
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| 08:19 | <try2free> hi
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| 08:20 | anybody knows how to make sound skype works?
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| 08:28 | <Drakonen> yoshi__: thats is what sabayon is supposed to do, if it was working that is
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| 08:29 | unfortunately, you have to get into gconf yourself
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| 08:29 | <yoshi__> yes sabayon doesn't work at all under ubuntu 8.10
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| 08:29 | <try2free> nobody knows?
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| 08:29 | <yoshi__> i don't understand i would be a good produkt
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| 08:29 | <Drakonen> yoshi__: indeed
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| 08:29 | try2free: wait a bit longer
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| 08:29 | 9 minutes is not long in irc time :)
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| 08:30 | especially not on a slow monday
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| 08:30 | <yoshi__> sorry try2free can't hep on that
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| 08:30 | help
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| 08:30 | <try2free> how to search http://www.nubae.com/logs/index.html?
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| 08:32 | <nubae> try2free: am afraid there is no easy way
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| 08:32 | <try2free> ok, anybody know how to use scanner? please... i already try http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Scanners but no luck
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| 08:32 | <nubae> google might have catalogued all the pages though
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| 08:32 | <yoshi__> question: iam running openoffice 2.4 and want to upgrade tot 3.1 for the thin client users. what's the best approach ?
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| 08:32 | <try2free> nubae: i'll try
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| 08:33 | <Drakonen> try2free: try http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Debian#Scanning_with_LTSP_5_in_Debian_E
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| 08:33 | <yoshi__> try2free this is for 4.2 ltsp
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| 08:33 | <Drakonen> IF you are runnign ltsp 5
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| 08:34 | <try2free> i am using ubuntu 8.04, can i use it?
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| 08:34 | <Drakonen> try 2 update ;)
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| 08:35 | <yoshi__> surely to ltsp 5 on your ubuntu
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| 08:35 | <try2free> yoshi__: like this one? http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=3363
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| 08:35 | <yoshi__> so i don't have to upgrade in de chroot env
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| 08:36 | it"s all still new and sometimes confusing :)
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| 08:36 | <try2free> yoshi__: i follow that instruction and works ok for 2.4 to 3.0
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| 08:37 | <yoshi__> ok tx
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| 08:38 | http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Install-OpenOffice-org-3-1-on-Ubuntu-9-04-111105.shtml
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| 08:38 | even better one
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| 08:38 | i was always thinking i just upgrade my chroot env
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| 08:38 | :) stuppid me
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| 08:45 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:47 | <alkisg> Hi sbalneav, all.
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| 08:49 | <try2free> hi
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| 08:50 | i very need help can you help me? i already try http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Scanners but no luck
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| 08:50 | <sbalneav> What kind of scanner is it?
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| 08:51 | Does it work directly under Linux, or is it the kind that needs a firmware download to function?
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| 08:51 | <try2free> umax 5600 usb, flat scanner
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| 08:52 | sbalneav: i never try scanner in linux, especially in thin client
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| 08:53 | sbalneav: that scanner works ok in winxp, i want migrate to linux
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| 08:53 | <sbalneav> http://forums.opensuse.org/archives/sf-archives/archives-hardware/343475-how-install-my-umax-astra-5600-usb-scanner.html
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| 08:54 | this page indicates that the scanner is not supported under linux. SANE (the scanning software under linux) doesn't support it.
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| 08:55 | <sbalneav> try2free: If you've never tried it under linux, then I'd suggest starting there. If you can't get it going under Linux, then you have no hope getting it going in LTSP.
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| 08:56 | <try2free> sbalneav: ok, thanks
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| 08:57 | sbalneav: i have another question hope you can help, i am using skype in ubuntu 8.04 seems ok after install alsa-oss, but in ltsp can't, why?
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| 08:58 | <sbalneav> LTSP on 8.04 doesn't support audio input.
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| 08:58 | I beleive some people are using skype as a localapp, but that would require 8.10 or 9.04 to set up I beleive.
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| 09:00 | <try2free> sbalneav: so this http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Feisty/HOWTO:_PulseAudio will be useless?
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| 09:01 | <ogra> use 9.04, use skype as localapp and start it with a prefixed padsp
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| 09:01 | <ogra> at least i heard several people saying here it worked for them this way
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| 09:01 | <sbalneav> Morning ogra!
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| 09:01 | <try2free> ogra: what do you mean by localapp?
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| 09:02 | <Drakonen> that is doesnt run on the client
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| 09:02 | that is doesnt run on the server
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| 09:02 | but on the client
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| 09:02 | <matttttt> Drakonen: http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalApps
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| 09:02 | <yoshi__> works great local apps
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| 09:02 | <Drakonen> matttttt: that was for try2free i guess?
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| 09:02 | <try2free> thanks guys for helping me, i am very new :)
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| 09:03 | <matttttt> erp, yeah.
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| 09:03 | misfire :)
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| 09:03 | <yoshi__> for 9.04 you need it to configure a little different then for 8.10
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| 09:05 | great source for info https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP try2free
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| 09:06 | <try2free> very confusing so this instruction http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Feisty/HOWTO:_PulseAudio only dreaming?
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| 09:07 | <sbalneav> try2free: that page doesn't show anything
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| 09:07 | it's a blank page.
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| 09:07 | <try2free> ?
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| 09:08 | <sbalneav> If I go to http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Feisty/HOWTO, I get:
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| 09:08 | (There is currently no text in this page)
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| 09:08 | <try2free> sbalneav: there is more 'http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Feisty/HOWTO:_PulseAudio'
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| 09:09 | sbalneav: you paste not completed
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| 09:09 | <pmatulis> i'm trying to grok ltspfs but docs are hard to come by (ltsp.org wiki stuff is 2006). info still accurate? any better docs?
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| 09:09 | <try2free> sbalneav: 'HOWTO:_PulseAudio'
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| 09:10 | brb
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| 09:12 | <sbalneav> try2free: So, if you think that will solve it, why not try it?
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| 09:12 | It's an opensuse page, so I have no idea.
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| 09:20 | <try2free> now, 21:19 i can't try tonight. tommorow morning i'll try and let you know...
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| 09:21 | i see that's name Feisty, i think that's for ubuntu 7.04
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| 09:22 | i hope that instruction not break my ltsp. thanks for comment and help.
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| 09:32 | <try2free> sbalneav: i'll try tommorow morning and let you know. thanks and i am realy happy you want to help.
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| 09:33 | <cliebow> sbalneav Rocks!
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| 10:04 | <pmatulis> how does a user safely remove a local device (ex: usb key) in ltsp5?
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| 10:09 | <stgraber> _UsUrPeR_: is Alex around ? (nothing urgent, just wondering)
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| 10:23 | <cliebow> pmatulis, i believe the buffer for usb is flushed every two seconds..so just piull the usb drive out
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| 10:24 | <pmatulis> cliebow: no danger of data corruption?
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| 10:25 | <cliebow> sbalneav can corroborate..but if buffers are flushed you should be fine
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| 10:26 | <sbalneav> pmatulis: If no data is written to the device for 2 seconds, it is unmounted on the client.
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| 10:33 | <cliebow> yippee..got one right this week
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| 10:34 | * cliebow cliebow high-fives his terminal | |
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| 10:46 | <pmatulis> cliebow & sbalneav: that's great, some fast fingers just confirmed that
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| 10:46 | <cliebow> 8~)
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| 10:47 | i am only here for the food
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| 10:51 | <pmatulis> sbalneav: i'm looking for details on how ltspfs/fuse work with devices, is the ltsp.org wiki the best we have at this time?
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| 10:54 | <sbalneav> Well, I wrote it originally, and I documented it on the wiki
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| 10:54 | pmatulis: But if you've got any specific questions, feel free to ask.
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| 10:55 | <cyberorg> alkisg, hi, first question :) how will ssh keys be handled?
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| 10:56 | <alkisg> cyberorg: they aren't handled by the package, for security reasons. If one uses nfs, he may just call ltsp-update-sshkeys. But if someone uses nbd, then ltsp-update-image is too slow to be handled real-time. So in this case one has to disable host key checking in ssh config.
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| 10:57 | The main point is automatic configuration. The ability for dynamic ip is a side effect, not the point...
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| 10:57 | (so, in live dvds, a slightly modified ssh_config is all it takes)
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| 10:57 | <cyberorg> ok, not a major issue for us, we copy keys to tftpboot, will need that added in the script
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| 10:58 | this script is called when network starts?
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| 10:59 | <alkisg> Yes, on an if-up script. But I really only used Ubuntu, so warning, there may be debian-isms or ubuntu-isms there :)
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| 10:59 | So it's called whenever a server NIC changes IP
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| 11:00 | <cyberorg> ok, what about fallback IP?
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| 11:00 | <alkisg> What is that?
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| 11:01 | <cyberorg> if the ltsp server is a dhcp-client and there is no other dhcp server, what IP is used?
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| 11:01 | <alkisg> The script doesn't configure IPs in any way
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| 11:02 | <cyberorg> so what happens if there is no other dhcp server?
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| 11:02 | <alkisg> So it's up to the user to use network manager or whatever it needs to configure an IP. Then the script is called and it configures dnsmasq.conf and dnsmasq is restarted.
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| 11:04 | I'm not really sure. What does a user do in such a case? If he sets a static IP in network manager, dnsmasq will start.
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| 11:04 | Ah, I remember
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| 11:04 | In ubuntu, network manager assigns a link-local ip (169.xxx)
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| 11:04 | <cyberorg> i am thinking more on hands-free setups like live DVD, if there is a dhcp server use IP from there if not assign one and set up dnsmasq
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| 11:05 | 169.xx cant be used for network
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| 11:05 | <alkisg> So in that case dnsmasq is started in normal dhcp server mode, because there's no gateway
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| 11:05 | If there is *no* dhcp server around, how can you automatically set an IP for the server?
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| 11:06 | You don't know what IP to use... that's why network manager uses link-local
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| 11:06 | If the user manually sets a static IP to access the internet, that's another story.
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| 11:06 | <cyberorg> run a check, if IP returns null, assign one 10.0.1.254 for example
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| 11:07 | <alkisg> Hmm?
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| 11:07 | Why not 169.x which is defined for that specific reason?
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| 11:07 | That's what link-local does, there's no reason to reimplement it on a different subnet (10.x)
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| 11:07 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link-local_address
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| 11:08 | <alkisg> So to recap, I *think* that if no dhcp servers are around, then the LTSP server will automatically get an ip in the 169.254 range, and dnsmasq will start in normal dhcp mode, and again everything will work out of the box.
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| 11:09 | If it doesn't , it'
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| 11:09 | *it's a bug, and can be fixed.
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| 11:09 | <cyberorg> alkisg, 169.x.x cannot be used for whole network, ltsp server will act as dhcp server and give out ip addresses
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| 11:09 | <alkisg> Yes, that's the point, isn't it?
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| 11:09 | 169.254.x.x is reserved for when no dhcp servers are around
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| 11:10 | <cyberorg> so if ltsp server ip is 169.x.x. it is not usable as a server to connect
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| 11:10 | <alkisg> Why? Do you think that dhclients will refuse to get a lease in the 169.254.x.x subnet?
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| 11:11 | <cyberorg> alkisg, not sure, but 172, 10 and 192 are the three networks that are allowed for internal use
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| 11:12 | <alkisg> 169.254 is also an internal network... I don't see anything harmful here
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| 11:13 | <cyberorg> dhcp+autoip: Try dhcp and use autoip if dhcp fails.
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| 11:13 | <alkisg> autoip=169.254, that's already done by network manager
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| 11:13 | <cyberorg> that looks usable
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| 11:14 | <alkisg> So if the NIC has an address of 169.254, it means that no dhcp servers are around
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| 11:14 | ...and it was automatically assigned by network manager. So, you're saying to change this to e.g. 10.x? Who guarantees that there won't be a static-ip client in this IP?
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| 11:15 | Because the 169.254.x.x IP is guaranteed to be unique by the link-local protocol...
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| 11:15 | <cyberorg> if there is no dhcp server won't other clients in the network get 169.254xxx also?
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| 11:15 | <alkisg> Yes, but dnsmasq will try to ping before assigning a lease, so there won't be a problem there
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| 11:15 | <cyberorg> ok
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| 11:16 | <alkisg> recap: it should work out of the box in the 169.254.x.x range (if no dhcp server is around at all), if it doesn't it can be fixed.
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| 11:16 | <alkisg> ...and I think that the 169.254.x.x IP is the correct "auto-IP" to use for the ltsp server.
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| 11:17 | <cyberorg> what range of IPs will dnsmasq give out?
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| 11:17 | <alkisg> For now, I've hardcoded .101-.125 there, what should I put?
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| 11:17 | The default dhcpd.conf in Ubuntu uses .20-.250 or something
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| 11:18 | <cyberorg> yeah increase it to 100 at least
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| 11:18 | <alkisg> OK, I can also put .20-.250 to be consistent.
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| 11:19 | <cyberorg> hmm, we defauld to 50, .50 - .100
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| 11:21 | <alkisg> If no dhcp server is around, and dnsmasq pings before assigning the lease, I don't think there will be a problem to use a big range
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| 11:21 | <cyberorg> alkisg, cool, will try and adapt it for our setup
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| 11:21 | <cyberorg> got to go now
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| 11:21 | <cyberorg> 'night
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| 11:21 | <alkisg> cyberorg: thanks
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| 11:21 | Good night
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| 11:21 | <cyberorg> great work, will make a lot of teachers happy :)
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| 11:22 | <alkisg> Hope so :)
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| 11:59 | <matttttt> i've got an x app (x3270, a terminal emulator) that I need to use via ltsp terminals, when I run the app on the actual desktop of my ltsp server, it runs fine, when i run it via an ltsp session, i can't change fonts in the application (app gives "font X not found").
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| 11:59 | any ideas why?
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| 12:10 | <Gadi> matttttt: install the mising font in the chroot
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| 12:10 | *missing
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| 12:14 | <matttttt> gadi, ok. i'll give that a try
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| 12:16 | <matttttt> i've got another question, this is a revisit from last week. i'm trying to use a dhcp server other than the ltsp server (cisco network registrar, unfortunately administered by someone else) i had them give my test thin client a reserved ip based on it's mac, and configured the server to hand out next-server=my.ltsp.server and filename=pxelinux.0, pxebooting from the tc bios now gets the right ip, fetches kernel from ltsp server, but after booting the ker
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| 12:16 | for whatever reason get a different (not it's reserved) ip and ignores the next-server parameter, attempting to tftp from the dhcp server itself
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| 12:17 | <matttttt> i added kiwiserver=192.168.1.231 kiwiservertype=tftp
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| 12:17 | to pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 12:23 | <maginot> Hi .... how to disable pulseaudio ? I'm seeing a lot of output from errors with pulseaudio on the logs
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| 12:32 | <Lns> maginot: have you tried "SOUND = FALSE" in lts.conf?
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| 12:38 | <maginot> Lns, yeṕ
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| 12:39 | <maginot> Lns, is there any difference if false is lowercase?
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| 12:41 | <Lns> maginot: shouldn't be
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| 12:41 | maginot: are you seeing these errors on the server logs or the client logs?
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| 12:44 | <maginot> Lns, on the server log... and I tooked of /etc/rc2.d/Sxxpulseaudio
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| 12:45 | <Lns> maginot: oh well if it's server-side just remove pulseaudio...i have no clue what kind of dependencies there are, so do so at your own risk...but that's one way of getting rid of it ;)
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| 12:48 | <maginot> Lns, I saw that ps aux | grep pulseaudio gives me a lot of output of users running the daemon, what is kind of strange is that the server doesn't have sound hardware
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| 12:49 | <Lns> maginot: you don't need a sound chipset in the server for pulseaudio to run
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| 12:49 | afaik
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| 12:58 | <sbalneav> Eurgh. I have NO idea why sabayon-apply DOESN'T apply the panel settings, but sabayon-session DOES>
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| 12:58 | I've been looking at the code for 3 hours now.
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| 12:58 | eyes... crossing... must.... stay.... awake.
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| 13:02 | <Lns> sbalneav: hehe
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| 13:03 | that panel is a weird beast
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| 13:03 | <sbalneav> It's especially frustrating as SOME gconf settings DO get applied.
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| 13:03 | f'rinstance: background image.
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| 13:03 | <Lns> sbalneav: I know that if I use gconf to edit panel settings i have to log out/back in for it to take effect...
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| 13:04 | at least a lot of panel settings, not sure if it's global or not
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| 13:09 | <sbalneav> Well, sabayon-apply runs before gconf starts up.
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| 13:13 | <himura> hi
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| 13:14 | i need some help. ccan anybody help me?
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| 13:14 | <Lns> !question
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| 13:14 | <ltspbot> Lns: "question" is if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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| 13:14 | <Lns> himura: ^^^ :)
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| 13:15 | * Lns thinks maybe we should include !question in the motd | |
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| 13:18 | <himura> !question i have edububtu 8.04 installed but the clients cant authenticate suddenly i refresh sshkeys and image but error persistsuddenly
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| 13:18 | <ltspbot> himura: Error: "question" is not a valid command.
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| 13:21 | <himura> !question i have edububtu 8.04 installed but the clients cant authenticate suddenly. i refresh sshkeys and image but error persists what can i do?
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| 13:21 | <ltspbot> himura: Error: "question" is not a valid command.
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| 13:21 | <Lns> himura: you don't have to type !question while asking :)
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| 13:22 | <himura> sorry :-)
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| 13:22 | <Lns> himura: can you elaborate on "can't authenticate suddenly" ? What has changed since they were able to auth and now?
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| 13:23 | <himura> we cloned the hard disk an put it on a similar pc and configured ips, that works, but at second boot the clients can authenticate
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| 13:24 | *can't
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| 13:25 | <sbalneav> himura: Did you do an ltsp-update-sshkeys, then ltsp-update-image?
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| 13:25 | <himura> yes twice
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| 13:26 | <Lns> himura: stupid question, but is the "old" ltsp server still active?
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| 13:27 | <himura> i'm conffused. id verified connectivity... no is offline and is 1 server with 4 clients
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| 13:28 | <sbalneav> So, you say the FIRST time they try to log in, they fail, but they can log in the second and subsequent times?
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| 13:29 | <himura> no, first i can but at the second reboot i can't
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| 13:30 | rebooting server i say
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| 13:32 | <Lns> himura: when you reboot the server do you reboot the clients after the server comes back up?
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| 13:33 | <sbalneav> himura: What does your /var/log/auth.log say?
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| 13:33 | on a failed login attempt?
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| 13:35 | <himura> i'm not reading it yet, yes, login failed
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| 13:37 | <pmatulis> sbalneav: re ltpsfs, can you explain how ltspfsmounter fits in? i see it first invoked when the client sets up the xsession x forward but i'm not sure what happens after that
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| 13:38 | <sbalneav> pmatulis: ltspfsmounter is called via the ssh control socked from the client when the client has detected a plug event. It is run on the server to actually initiate the ltspfs mount from the server to the client.
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| 13:39 | himura: Can you paste a snippet of the actual log to the pastebot?
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| 13:39 | !pastebot
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| 13:39 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 13:40 | <pmatulis> sbalneav: so the x forward invocation is just a janitorial (cleanup) measure?
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| 13:41 | <himura> so, nothing?
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| 13:44 | <sbalneav> himura: Have you pasted a section of your auth log yet?
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| 13:44 | pmatulis: The one at the end of the X session line is final cleanup, yes.
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| 13:45 | pmatulis: If someone logs out with their usb stick still in the thin client, THEN pulls it out, the final call to ltspmounter will clean up any remaining mounts on logout.
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| 13:46 | <himura> i'm far of server, can i write you later? or can you suggest any text or link?
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| 13:49 | <pmatulis> sbalneav: when the client detects an insertion, what mechanism is used to contact the server?
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| 13:50 | <sbalneav> himura: Not without seeing the information, no. I suspect something's just misconfigred.
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| 13:51 | pmatulis: a udev script is called, which runs ltspmounter via the ssh control socked that was established at login.
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| 13:53 | pmatulis: Here's a brief overview of control sockets.
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| 13:53 | http://www.sakana.fr/blog/2009/04/28/ssh-multiplexing-connections/
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| 13:54 | <pmatulis> sbalneav: yeah, i'm ok with controlmaster in ssh
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| 13:54 | sbalneav: but thanks a lot for the other stuff
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| 14:02 | <himura> thanks
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| 14:02 | cu
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| 14:18 | <matttttt> cyberorg you around?
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| 14:25 | i've got another question, this is a revisit from last week. i'm trying to use a dhcp server other than the ltsp server (cisco network registrar, unfortunately administered by someone else) i had them give my test thin client a reserved ip based on it's mac, and configured the server to hand out next-server=my.ltsp.server and filename=pxelinux.0, pxebooting from the tc bios now gets the right ip, fetches kernel from ltsp server, but after booting the ker
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| 14:25 | for whatever reason get a different (not it's reserved) ip and ignores the next-server parameter, attempting to tftp from the dhcp server itself
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| 14:26 | i added kiwiserver=192.168.1.231 kiwiservertype=tftp
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| 14:26 | to pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 14:29 | what i don't get is why the dhcp client in my TC's bios works fine to get an ip & the tftp server parameter (next-server), but the dhcp client in the kernel does not seem to interoperate the same way with our dhcp server.
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| 14:29 | am i missing something?
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| 14:34 | <Lns> matttttt: is it possible the cisco dhcp server is denying a second lease to the client since it just got one? (still looking at your messages)
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| 14:34 | matttttt: I'm sure the chroot image isn't doing any funky MAC addy changing....?
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| 14:37 | <matttttt> hmm, yeah, the second request is coming from the same MAC
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| 14:37 | as verified by enabling debug logging on the switchport
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| 14:37 | and from the dhcp server logs...
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| 14:42 | <pmatulis> on ubuntu is there some standard acrobatics required re (even default) gnome applets? new user on 9.04 is getting a pop-up error (The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_Panel_TrashApplet")
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| 14:45 | <sbalneav> pmatulis: Shouldn't need any. Is it consistent, or if they log out and in again, does the problem go away?
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| 14:47 | <pmatulis> sbalneav: it asked me if i should delete or not, i said yes, i rebooted and now the top right applets are not appearing until after about 5 minutes
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| 14:47 | <matttttt> man, this is wacky.
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| 14:47 | <pmatulis> (delete the applet in the error)
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| 14:48 | sbalneav: i have server logs; it's dbus-daemon that is emitting messages
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| 14:48 | sbalneav: will pastebot them
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| 14:49 | <sbalneav> If gnome is having problems, make sure that the machine can resolve it's own hostname. gconf depends upon gnome being able to define hostname, and whacky behaviour can often be traced to an incorrect DNS configuration, or lack of the machines correct entries in /etc/hosts.
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| 14:50 | <ltsppbot> "pmatulis" pasted "applets" (60 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/375
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| 14:53 | <matttttt> when i boot my tc with -debug, i can see it fetch the kernel/initrd, boot the kernel, then start the second phase of booting
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| 14:53 | found server in kernel cmdline
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| 14:53 | checking server name: tftp
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| 14:53 | server: tftp not found
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| 14:53 | using: x.x.x.x from dhcpd-info
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| 14:53 | what's that mean?
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| 14:55 | <sbalneav> pmatulis: Do you have dns set up? Looks like dbus is having problems?
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| 14:57 | <pmatulis> sbalneav: i can resolve internet names no problem
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| 14:58 | <sbalneav> Can you resolve your OWN name though? forward AND reverse?
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| 14:59 | <pmatulis> sbalneav: yes, no problem there
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| 14:59 | <sbalneav> i.e.:
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| 14:59 | sbalneav@feniks:~$ host feniks
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| 14:59 | feniks.legalaid.mb.ca has address 192.9.201.133
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| 14:59 | sbalneav@feniks:~$ host 192.9.201.133
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| 14:59 | 133.201.9.192.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer feniks.legalaid.mb.ca.
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| 14:59 | Show me, please.
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| 15:00 | <pmatulis> sbalneav: i'm shy, believe me
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| 15:01 | <sbalneav> Pardon?
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| 15:02 | <pmatulis> host dhcp-144
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| 15:02 | dhcp-144.montreal.canonical.com has address 192.168.1.144
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| 15:02 | [dhcp-144] [/opt/ltsp/i386] host 192.168.1.144
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| 15:03 | 144.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer dhcp-144.montreal.canonical.com.
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| 15:04 | <sbalneav> ok, fine, so do you have a conflicting entry in /etc/hosts at all?
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| 15:04 | <pmatulis> i do have 127.0.1.1 pointing to my fqdn and short name
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| 15:06 | <sbalneav> Shouldn't cause a problem, as either will get you back to the current host.
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| 15:06 | Is dbus running?
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| 15:08 | <pmatulis> sbalneav: i have a lot of /bin/dbus-daemon and corresponding /bin/dbus-launch lines
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| 15:09 | <sbalneav> This is on the server?
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| 15:09 | I'm taking it?
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| 15:09 | <pmatulis> yes
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| 15:09 | <sbalneav> Well, not sure, but also not really an ltsp problem either.
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| 15:09 | I'd say ask on #ubuntu. They may be able to give more insight.
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| 15:10 | <pmatulis> sbalneav: yeah, i did find a non-ltsp bug that is similar
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| 15:11 | sbalneav: btw, i thought a user needed to be a member of 'fuse' group in order to access local devices, this doesn't apply to my new user
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| 15:14 | <sbalneav> pmatulis: ls -al /dev/fuse
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| 15:15 | Seems like newer versions of ubuntu have made fuse more universal
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| 15:15 | <pmatulis> crw-rw-rw- 1 root fuse 10, 229 2009-06-08 15:18 /dev/fuse
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| 15:15 | on the client
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| 15:16 | <sbalneav> Perms by default in ubuntu used to be 660
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| 15:16 | <pmatulis> well i *am* using 9.04
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| 15:16 | i see
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| 15:16 | so much for security
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| 15:17 | <sbalneav> How so?
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| 15:18 | users are allowed to mount and unmount OTHER media by default, it was always annoying that fuse was a special case.
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| 15:19 | <pmatulis> yeah, makes sense
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| 15:39 | <matttttt> when i remove kiwiserver=192.168.1.231 kiwiservertype=tftp from /default i get different output during the bootup process, when i put it back, it says server name found in cmd line, but it's showing up on the console as trying to find/contact "tftp" not ip.of.my.server
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| 16:18 | <vagrantc> matttttt: maybe try #kiwi-ltsp?
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| 16:48 | <vagrantc> stgraber: what's the latest on ldm in ubuntu? is it in decent shape? worth uploading same upstream version to debian?
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| 17:07 | <stgraber> vagrantc: no, logout is broken, hoping that sbalneav has an idea on how to fix it (other than reverting the patch)
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| 17:08 | <vagrantc> ok, i'll hold off for a bit.
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| 17:08 | stgraber: theme split working out ok?
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| 17:09 | <stgraber> yeah, just fine
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