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| 20:12 | <ortanca_samuray> hi everyone
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| 20:14 | i'd like to ask how can compile armhf and i386 on x86_64
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| 20:14 | <quinox> eeeeuh
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| 20:15 | it's call cross compiling, and it has nothing to do with LTSP :)
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| 20:16 | Google "linux cross compiling armhf" and take it from there?
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| 20:16 | <ortanca_samuray> what about this
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| 20:16 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/RaspberryPi
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| 20:16 | in LTSP5 it is ok
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| 20:17 | but LTSP 19.09 not
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| 20:17 | is there any way to do LTSP 19.09
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| 20:18 | <quinox> ah, like that... I don't think that's called compiling armhf, but I get what you're looking for
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| 20:18 | there might be
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| 20:18 | stick around and someone with knowledge about this area might wake up and help out
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| 20:19 | <alkisg> ortanca_samuray: ltsp doesn't have compiled code, it's interpretd
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| 20:19 | Are you trying to install ltsp19 on raspberry?
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| 20:21 | <ortanca_samuray> nope
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| 20:21 | <alkisg> Well that page was about installing ltsp on raspberry
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| 20:21 | What are you trying to do?
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| 20:21 | <ortanca_samuray> i got radxa instead of raspi but same kind of
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| 20:22 | maybe i ask wrong question
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| 20:22 | <alkisg> Explain what you want with more sentences then :)
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| 20:22 | <ortanca_samuray> i'd like to reach my LTSP server with raspi
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| 20:23 | <alkisg> So you have a raspberry pi with raspbian on it and you want to do remote desktop to an ltsp server?
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| 20:24 | <ortanca_samuray> yep
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| 20:24 | <alkisg> OK, install vnc or x2go or xfreerdp
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| 20:24 | This isn't related to ltsp :)
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| 20:24 | <ortanca_samuray> nope
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| 20:24 | not like that
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| 20:24 | <alkisg> OK write a paragraph so that we understand what you're looking for
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| 20:24 | This now is guesswork
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| 20:25 | <ortanca_samuray> for example in x86_64 machine with this command "ltsp image /" it compiles x86_64 image
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| 20:26 | that means you can only reach server x86_64 cpu
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| 20:26 | but i'd like to reach x86_32 cpu and armhf cpu
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| 20:26 | or arm64 cpu
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| 20:26 | pc or sbc
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| 20:27 | <alkisg> ortanca_samuray: this one? https://github.com/ltsp/ltsp/issues/60
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| 20:28 | <ortanca_samuray> yes but its LTSP 5
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| 20:28 | <alkisg> No this is ltsp19
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| 20:29 | <ortanca_samuray> nope
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| 20:29 | <alkisg> If you want ltsp5, then it's the other one you said: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/RaspberryPi
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| 20:29 | <ortanca_samuray> did u read the article
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| 20:29 | <alkisg> I wrote both articles
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| 20:29 | So yeah, I also read them while writing them
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| 20:29 | I also wrote the code :)
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| 20:29 | <ortanca_samuray> nice
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| 20:30 | ok please explain that why in LTSP5 you can compile image x86_32 on x86_64 machine
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| 20:30 | <alkisg> So if I understood you correctly, you want to have an ltsp19 server of arch=x86_64, and an ltsp19 client of arch=armhf, which is similar to raspberry, but not exactly, right?
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| 20:31 | <ortanca_samuray> yes
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| 20:31 | <alkisg> OK. What you're asking is not compiling and it's not x86_32
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| 20:31 | It's "build an armhf chroot"
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| 20:31 | Which involves downloading packages that are already compiled
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| 20:31 | This can be done with "debootstrap", which was called by "ltsp-build-client" in ltsp5
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| 20:32 | This had so many bugs that we stopped using it
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| 20:32 | <ortanca_samuray> yes also nearly same
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| 20:32 | <ortanca_samuray> sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386
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| 20:32 | <alkisg> i386 is for PCs, it won't work on raspberries
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| 20:32 | <ortanca_samuray> on x86_64 machine you can do it
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| 20:32 | <alkisg> You want --arch armhf
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| 20:32 | <ortanca_samuray> yes know it
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| 20:32 | <alkisg> So now the new method will download the raspbian.img.xz image and just extract it
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| 20:32 | ltsp-build-client won't exist anymore
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| 20:33 | <ortanca_samuray> for client i have to compile qemu or on armhf cpu
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| 20:33 | <alkisg> Install qemu, not compile it
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| 20:33 | You just run `apt install qemu`, you don't run `gcc qemu`
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| 20:33 | <ortanca_samuray> i know it
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| 20:34 | i'd like to ask
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| 20:34 | <alkisg> So the easiest way is to install your raspberry normally, and then just copy the contents of the sd card to the server
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| 20:34 | <ortanca_samuray> x86_64 LTSP server machine
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| 20:34 | <alkisg> Then you'll have the chroot very quickly,and it will be optimized
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| 20:34 | <ortanca_samuray> and Client ltsp is raspi
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| 20:34 | how
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| 20:34 | <alkisg> How to copy? cp -a
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| 20:35 | <ortanca_samuray> For a chroot in /srv/ltsp/x86_32:ltsp image x86_32
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| 20:35 | in the site it writes like that but it does not work
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| 20:35 | <alkisg> x86_32 is for PCs
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| 20:35 | You don't have pc
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| 20:35 | So of course it won't work
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| 20:36 | <ortanca_samuray> if somebody read like me as
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| 20:37 | i understand that i can make 32bit image
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| 20:37 | <alkisg> No,you can't
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| 20:37 | <ortanca_samuray> yes i can on LTSP 5
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| 20:37 | <alkisg> You need to use virtualbox and create a virtual machine and install e.g. ubuntu 32bit there
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| 20:37 | Yes
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| 20:38 | <ortanca_samuray> with multiarch os
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| 20:38 | nope
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| 20:38 | <alkisg> And it had so many problems that we stopped supporting it
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| 20:38 | So in LTSP19, there is no ltsp-build-client
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| 20:38 | So you can't
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| 20:38 | <ortanca_samuray> yes
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| 20:38 | <alkisg> You need to use virtualbox
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| 20:38 | <ortanca_samuray> on LTSP19 i can not
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| 20:38 | <alkisg> Or if you know deboostrap, you can use that
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| 20:38 | <ortanca_samuray> that's the point thank you
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| 20:39 | <alkisg> Virtualbox is much easier than ltsp-build-client
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| 20:39 | So just use that
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| 20:39 | <ortanca_samuray> i dont think so
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| 20:39 | <alkisg> ok
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| 20:39 | <ortanca_samuray> thank you very much for help
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| 20:39 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 20:40 | Btw, LTSP19 doesn't yet support raspberries, unless you're a developer and know how to copy cards into chroots etc. The roadmap is the link I pasted before: https://github.com/ltsp/ltsp/issues/60
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| 20:40 | <ortanca_samuray> i am searching
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| 20:40 | after that we can connect againt
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| 20:41 | but with these command it's so useful for example
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| 20:41 | ltsp image x86_32
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| 20:41 | ltsp image armhf
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| 20:41 | ltsp image arm64
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| 20:41 | <alkisg> This are names
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| 20:42 | They are not architectures
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| 20:42 | You're supposed to use virtualbox and create x86_32
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| 20:42 | Then ltsp image just compresses it
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| 20:42 | It doesn't create it
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| 20:42 | <ortanca_samuray> i see
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| 20:42 | <alkisg> ltsp image is like "ltsp-update-image", NOT like "ltsp-build-client"
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| 20:44 | <ortanca_samuray> something missing
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| 20:45 | when create ltsp image, after all clients cpu can connect to server
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| 20:45 | sorry for my bad english
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| 21:03 | <alkisg> ortanca_samuray: you can read about ltsp image here: https://ltsp.github.io/man/ltsp-image/
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| 21:04 | It explains about chrootless, chroots and VMs
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| 21:04 | (or just run `man ltsp image`)
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