IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 3 May 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:04 | <vagrantc> johnny: i think ROOT is the full path, CHROOT is the basically $(basename $ROOT)
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| 00:04 | <generic> vagrant
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| 00:04 | i want to do USB enable on my thin client
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| 00:04 | any idea?
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| 00:05 | <vagrantc> with most LTSP5 implementations, it should just work.
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| 00:05 | <generic> well
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| 00:05 | what i should do in lts.conf
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| 00:05 | <vagrantc> nothing
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| 00:05 | <generic> it cant
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| 00:05 | ?
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| 00:05 | <vagrantc> generic: what linux distro and release?
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| 00:06 | <generic> ubuntu server and kubuntu desktop
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| 00:06 | on thin clients
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| 00:06 | my machine is amd
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| 00:06 | <vagrantc> ubuntu 8.04 ?
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| 00:07 | <generic> ye
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| 00:07 | yes
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| 00:08 | <vagrantc> generic: user needs to be in the fuse group on the server?
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| 00:09 | <generic> yes it is
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| 00:10 | <vagrantc> generic: is there anything in /media/USERNAME/DEVICENAME ?
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| 00:11 | <generic> what u mean>
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| 00:11 | do i need ltspfsd?
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| 00:13 | any thing in /media/USERNAME/DEVICENAME means?
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| 00:14 | <vagrantc> generic: when you log into the server, does something appear in /media/USERNAME/DEVICENAME, where USERNAME is the name of the user you logged in as, and DEVICENAME is the name of the device.
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| 00:16 | <generic> wait
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| 00:16 | <vagrantc> generic: ltspfs mounts things in /media/USERNAME
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| 00:16 | generic: it most likely won't show a desktop icon on KDE
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| 00:19 | <generic> well
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| 00:19 | when i plug USB in server it shows me USB as /media/USB
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| 00:19 | and thats it
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| 00:20 | well its pops up
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| 00:20 | ?
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| 00:20 | uSB things
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| 00:21 | <vagrantc> ok, so if you log in from a thin client, check if there is /media/USERNAME/USB when you plug a USB stick into the thin-clients.
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| 00:22 | <generic> ok wait
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| 00:29 | hey strange do we have tftp files in /var/lib/tftpboot dir in LTSP5
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| 00:29 | i dun think so
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| 00:30 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 00:31 | /var/lib/tftpboot is where the kernel that gets loaded at boot is
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| 00:38 | <generic> well
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| 00:38 | seriously i dont have it on another ltsp server
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| 00:38 | which is amd intel XEon
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| 00:38 | i dun have nay thing in /var/liv/tftpboot
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| 00:39 | <vagrantc> well, if you have /tftpboot, it will use that instead
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| 00:43 | <generic> but nothing it that also my tftp is off
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| 00:43 | i dun know how its working
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| 00:43 | <vagrantc> must be magic
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| 00:47 | <generic> well
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| 00:47 | what ltsp-build-client does
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| 00:47 | creast a dir in /opt
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| 00:48 | right and also in /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 00:48 | and in /etc/ltsp/dhcp
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| 00:48 | right?
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| 00:48 | <vagrantc> yes, and calls ltsp-update-sshkeys which copies keys to /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 00:54 | <generic> ok
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| 00:54 | then this is issue right
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| 00:54 | <vagrantc> if your thin client fails to boot, it might be part of the issue
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| 00:54 | <generic> hmmm
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| 00:54 | but that booting
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| 00:54 | ok
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| 00:54 | <vagrantc> generic: what is your issue?
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| 00:54 | <generic> only USB is not wotking
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| 00:54 | USB
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| 00:55 | <vagrantc> generic: ok, so log in as a user, open up an xterm, and type: mount | egrep /media/
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| 00:55 | <generic> wher on server
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| 00:56 | <vagrantc> log in from a thin client
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| 00:56 | which will log in on the server
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| 00:56 | this will be the last time i repeat this stuff.
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| 00:57 | <generic> ok ok
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| 00:57 | please wait
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| 00:57 | i cant get gUI on thin client
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| 00:57 | <vagrantc> you can't now?
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| 00:58 | or haven't ever?
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| 00:59 | <generic> cant now
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| 00:59 | am getting ip
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| 00:59 | <vagrantc> you're booting a client now?
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| 01:01 | <generic> yes
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| 01:01 | i was working yesterday
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| 01:02 | hey do i need to do any thing for usb in lts.conf
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| 01:03 | <vagrantc> again, nothing.
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| 01:04 | for the most part, lts.conf should be empty.
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| 01:04 | that's one of the big differences with ltsp5 from previous versions
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| 01:11 | <generic> hmmm
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| 01:11 | ok
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| 01:12 | am going to my ltsp server its on remote location will call yo from there
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| 01:12 | ok
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| 01:12 | <vagrantc> generic: what do you mean?
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| 01:12 | <generic> will be online from there i need an hour to reach
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| 01:12 | <vagrantc> generic: you log in from the client to the server ... no need to go to the server.
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| 01:13 | <generic> well my clinet is not booting
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| 01:13 | what i need to check
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| 01:13 | * vagrantc is too tired to continue | |
| 01:14 | <generic> i know
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| 01:14 | sorry guys
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| 01:15 | no logs and stuff
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| 02:58 | <johnny_> hmm..
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| 02:58 | it's not loading my server provided lts.conf still
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| 04:04 | <johnny_> why won't it get it :(
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| 04:56 | <urens> Hi guys
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| 04:57 | is there anyone there?
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| 05:13 | <urens> hi hi
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| 05:18 | <johnny> urens, this is not an active time for this channel
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| 05:18 | it is more active during the weekdays
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| 05:18 | it is almost completely dead on the weekends unless you get lucky
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| 05:20 | <urens> well.. then i just got lucky ;)
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| 05:20 | are you familiar with ltsp?
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| 05:20 | *guess so*
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| 05:22 | I busy making a testingenvironment at work with Ubuntu 8.04 /ltsp
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| 05:23 | when i boot my client, he gets a DHCPoffer and continues booting untill the mounting bit
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| 05:23 | he stops and gives me a Busybox console
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| 05:23 | after that he won't do anything
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| 05:23 | <laga> are there any error messages?
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| 05:23 | <urens> Google tells me almost nothing, so i hope that this is not an exotic problem
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| 05:24 | let me see
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| 05:24 | one moment
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| 05:25 | mount: Mounting /rofs on /root/rofs failed: Invalid argument
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| 05:25 | (that is the first mount line)
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| 05:25 | the rest also fails but with: No such file or directory
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| 05:26 | <laga> urens: does /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img exist on the server?
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| 05:26 | <ogra> how did you install it
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| 05:26 | (no, i'm not actually here ... )
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| 05:27 | <urens> with the standard installation from ubuntu(alternate) While booting you get an option via F4 to install a LTSP server
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| 05:28 | @laga: iĺl check if the img exists
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| 05:28 | yes it exists
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| 05:28 | <ogra> if you did that install varant, the image should exists
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| 05:29 | do you run more than one dhcp server in that network (that wouldnt work)
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| 05:29 | <urens> the ubuntu server is the only dhcp server in an isolated environment
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| 05:29 | <ogra> grep nbd|/etc/inetd.conf
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| 05:30 | what does that return
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| 05:30 | err
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| 05:30 | grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
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| 05:30 | (no pipe sign there)
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| 05:30 | <urens> for your information.. everything is still standard. nothing has changed
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| 05:31 | <ogra> (in the returnede output there should be at least one line with the image)
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| 05:31 | *returned
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| 05:31 | <urens> yes
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| 05:31 | <ogra> ok
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| 05:31 | <urens> do you want to see it?
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| 05:32 | <ogra> nah, i belive you :)
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| 05:32 | <urens> ;)
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| 05:32 | <ogra> did yu create an lts.conf file ?
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| 05:33 | (not that you should, but some ancient unsupported settings could break it=
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| 05:33 | )
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| 05:33 | <urens> nope, never made it
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| 05:33 | <ogra> weird
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| 05:33 | <urens> i did check the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf for correct settings.
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| 05:33 | but everything looks fine and it boots.... so....
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| 05:33 | <ogra> well, if you get to the busybox prompt dhcp is already out of the loop
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| 05:33 | <laga> can you check /var/log/messages and /var7log/daemon.log for anything interesting?
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| 05:34 | can you check /var/log/messages and /var/log/daemon.log for anything interesting?
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| 05:34 | stupid typo :)
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| 05:34 | <ogra> sloppy shift key :)
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| 05:34 | <laga> i'
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| 05:34 | ve been meaning to replace this keyboard for a long time..
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| 05:34 | <urens> ;).. im checking right nog
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| 05:35 | nog = now
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| 05:35 | /var/log/messages has nothing interesting
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| 05:35 | i'll check deamon now
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| 05:35 | <ogra> daemon.log sould have the nbd mount attempt
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| 05:36 | <urens> only dhcpoffers and requests
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| 05:36 | nothing about mounting
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| 05:37 | sorry but i need to go to a customer... thank you for your time ogra. maybe i'll see you later this afternoon
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| 05:37 | thanks a lot!!!
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| 05:38 | <ogra> i might be around, no promises though ...
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| 05:38 | its awesome waether here :)
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| 05:40 | <laga> true!
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| 05:40 | hacking in shorts, yay!
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| 05:52 | <ogra> my new lappie has a half glossy display :/ no hacking outside with it
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| 07:35 | <urens> hi ogra
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| 07:36 | wb
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| 07:37 | i have found some more details about the 'not booting' problem
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| 07:44 | I see that the DHCPserver in ubuntu offers different leases then i mentioned in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 07:44 | <ogra> why did you change the file ?
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| 07:44 | <urens> after the client boots and asks for the second IP-lease he gets a time out while getting info from the server
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| 07:45 | my server should be in a 10.0.0.0 range later on
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| 07:45 | <ogra> the file only apples to the thin client interface
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| 07:45 | (by default)
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| 07:45 | <urens> jep.. it's on eth0
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| 07:46 | <ogra> what your server uses for the outbound interface is totally independent of that
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| 07:46 | oh, you didnt say you did install with a single interface initially
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| 07:46 | <urens> my server has 2 interfaces. eth0 and eth1
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| 07:46 | <ogra> dont change anything but the network values in dhcpd.conf, then it will work
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| 07:47 | <urens> but eth1 is nog plugged in
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| 07:47 | nog = not
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| 07:47 | <ogra> well, by default the installer checks for an internet connection during install and automatically picks the second interface to configure everything out of the box
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| 07:48 | <urens> so when i understand it correctly. the eth0 (wich was plugged in while installing) is the external card now. And the eth1 is for the thin clients now?
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| 07:49 | <ogra> well, was
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| 07:49 | before you changed dhcpd.conf
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| 07:49 | <urens> i allready put back the backup
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| 07:49 | he is rebooting now
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| 07:49 | <ogra> it should have configured a 192.168.0 network on that interface
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| 07:51 | <urens> okay, the server has rebooted and my PXE client is booting right now
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| 07:52 | looks like the same problem...
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| 07:52 | let me explain what i see here:
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| 07:53 | het has loaded vmlinuz and initrd.img really quickly. he reinitialises the networkcard. He gets a new DHCP lease in the 192.168.221.0 range.
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| 07:54 | gateway = 0.0.0.0.... rootserver: 192.168.221.254.... rootpath: <empty> ..... filename: <empty>
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| 07:54 | he gets stuck after "filename" and after a few minutes gets a time out
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| 07:54 | no network traffic
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| 07:54 | <ogra> paste your dhcpd.conf to the pastebot
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| 07:54 | !pastebot
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| 07:54 | <ltspbot> ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 07:55 | <ogra> and the output of ifconfig -a
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| 07:55 | <urens> from the client? or the server
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| 07:55 | <ogra> ??
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| 07:55 | there is no dhcpd.conf on the client :)
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| 07:55 | indeed both from the server
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| 07:59 | <ltsppbot> "urens" pasted "dhcpd.conf" (22 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/526
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| 07:59 | <ogra> looks good
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| 07:59 | <ltsppbot> "urens" pasted "ifconfig -a" (30 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/527
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| 08:00 | <ogra> hmm, looks all good
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| 08:00 | <urens> the dhcpclient gets an offer for 192.168.221.x
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| 08:01 | <ogra> did you restart the dhcp server after changing the config back ?
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| 08:01 | <urens> with subnetmask 255.255.255.0
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| 08:01 | i gave the server a reboot
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| 08:01 | should do the same trick
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| 08:01 | <ogra> yeah
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| 08:01 | the client network is definately plugged into eth1 ?
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| 08:02 | <urens> ill make a screenshot from the client (runs in vmware) so you can see the output
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| 08:02 | <ogra> seems very much like the interfaces are flipped and you get an ip from another dhcpd
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| 08:02 | <urens> jups! because the client gets an offer for the 192.186.x.x range
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| 08:02 | iĺl swap them
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| 08:02 | <ogra> well, the client should get a 192.186.0.x address
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| 08:03 | (not 221)
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| 08:03 | <urens> yeah that's the strange thing
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| 08:03 | <ogra> i wonder if vmware has a builtin dhcpd ...
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| 08:03 | i only use virtualbox here
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| 08:03 | <urens> i checked the /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf... and everything is checked out (#) there
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| 08:03 | <ogra> that file isnt used as long as /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf exists
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| 08:03 | <urens> could be... ill look if i can find something!
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| 08:03 | smart thinking! ;)
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| 08:05 | the 221.x range was indeed vmware. i stopped the dhcp service from vmware and reboot the client nog
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| 08:05 | <ogra> good
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| 08:05 | <urens> o wait. need to switch back the cable from server
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| 08:06 | okay. he gets a second offer
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| 08:06 | And there she goes!! haha
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| 08:06 | <ogra> good
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| 08:07 | <urens> great! in a few seconds it booted
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| 08:07 | all because of that 'hidden
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| 08:07 | <ogra> check if you can log in
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| 08:07 | <urens> ' dhcp server
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| 08:07 | <ogra> might be that through all the back and forth of the ips the ssh keys dont match anymore
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| 08:08 | <urens> it logged in straight away
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| 08:08 | <ogra> good :)
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| 08:08 | enjoy then :)
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| 08:09 | <urens> thank you a lot for thinking with me!
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| 08:09 | <ogra> welcome :)
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| 08:09 | <urens> have a great day, or night, depends where on the globe you are
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| 08:09 | ;)
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| 08:09 | <ogra> day still :)
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| 08:09 | <urens> maybe see you later!
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| 08:09 | * ogra sits in germany | |
| 08:09 | <urens> here in holland to
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| 08:09 | <ogra> ciao
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| 08:09 | <urens> | |
| 08:10 | <ogra> :)
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| 09:15 | <czubek> Hi all :)
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| 13:39 | <johnny> no matter what i do.. i can't get my chroot to read lts.conf from /var/lib/tftpboot :(
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| 13:40 | <Q-FUNK> /var/lib/tftpboot/i386/lts.conf ... IIRC
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| 13:40 | <johnny> i know
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| 13:41 | well its /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 13:41 | either way.. damn thing doesnt' read :)
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| 13:51 | <johnny> i even switched away from dnsmasq's tftp for testing
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| 13:53 | <laga> dnsmasq can provide tftp?
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| 13:54 | <Q-FUNK> ?!
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| 13:55 | <johnny> yes
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| 13:55 | since 2.36
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| 13:55 | <laga> nice.
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| 13:55 | <johnny> i was using it at my ltsp install for 6 months now
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| 13:57 | <Q-FUNK> laternatives should get updated in ltsp-server dependencies, then
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| 13:57 | <johnny> it may be so in debian already
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| 13:57 | <Q-FUNK> seeing how dnsmask can now replace 3 services, it'a a resource-saver
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| 13:58 | <johnny> since i saw vagrantc updating it to include a new conf file
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| 13:58 | <Q-FUNK> ah
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| 13:58 | <johnny> in ltsp-trunk that is
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| 13:59 | it'd be nice to clean up ltsp-trunk sometime..
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| 13:59 | too much stuff all around
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| 14:00 | i'm still having another problem
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| 14:00 | cant' get one machine to boot off pxe at all
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| 14:00 | just get error missing mode
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| 14:00 | from tftp
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| 14:00 | either with tftpd-hpa or dnsmasq tftp
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| 14:00 | Q-FUNK, i am going to move dnsmasq over to anotehr machine soon, so i'll be using a seperate tftp service from now on
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| 14:01 | but for folks that don't.. tftp is great
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| 14:01 | <Q-FUNK> johnny: one of the buggy PXE implementations which is picky on boot images?
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| 14:01 | <johnny> i guess..
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| 14:01 | it just says "missing mode" :)
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| 14:01 | its' a machine from gateway
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| 14:01 | a p4
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| 14:01 | <Q-FUNK> IIRC that requires using the ISC dhcpd
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| 14:01 | <johnny> :(
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| 14:01 | dont make me do that :)
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| 14:02 | dnsmasq has had options added to make it nicer with certain buggy implementations
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| 14:02 | <Q-FUNK> dnsmasq isn't smart enough to send TFTP file names that every PXE implementation likes.
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| 14:02 | <johnny> seems like others could be added
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| 14:02 | like tftp-no-blocksize
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| 14:02 | <Q-FUNK> iit does now? it never worked for me
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| 14:02 | <johnny> i'm just saying it could be fixed and that the dnsmasq guy is amendable to such suggestions
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| 14:02 | <Q-FUNK> IIRc the main issue with with the last character on the filename passed to the client
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| 14:02 | <johnny> sounds fixable?
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| 14:03 | <Q-FUNK> some clients have a problem with a null character last and others want a white space one
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| 14:03 | 'for a long time, dnsmasq upstream siad he was aware of the issue, but didn't see the need to fix his RFC-complient implementation to accomodate buggy clients
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| 14:04 | <johnny> i wish dnsmasq had irc
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| 14:04 | <Q-FUNK> :D
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| 14:04 | <johnny> a channel that is..
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| 14:05 | <Q-FUNK> ah yes
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| 14:05 | <vagrantc> i didn't update the dependencies for the ltsp packages in debian to allow for dnsmasq as an alternative to ltsp-server-standalone, but you can use it with ltsp-server
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| 14:05 | <Q-FUNK> they have a mailing list
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| 14:05 | <johnny> i know..
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| 14:05 | <Q-FUNK> vagrantc: why not? it could make a server that is less resource hungry
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| 14:05 | <johnny> but i hate mailing lists usually.. since most of the times i need a mailing list, it'd take a dialog across days to get an answer :)
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| 14:06 | <Q-FUNK> we could still leave the old daemons as the prefered choice, but introduce dnsmaq as the 2nd choice
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| 14:06 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: it's certainly crossed my mind, but i've been focusing on other changes.
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| 14:07 | <Q-FUNK> oh. ferry time
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| 14:07 | bbl
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| 15:37 | <uberdoerk> boink!
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