IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 2 June 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:30 | <feinbein> hi, anyone there?
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| 00:44 | <daduke> feinbein: hi!
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| 00:55 | <feinbein> has anyone managed to get rdesktop screen-script to work such as one can switch between the two 'worlds' ?
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| 00:56 | meaning linux ltsp-client on Crt-Alt-F7 and rdesktop-session on Crt-Alt-F6
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| 00:57 | i manage to get either one working but not both
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| 01:00 | [DEFAULT]
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| 01:00 | RDP_OPTIONS = "-a 16" RDP_SERVER = login.xxx.xxx SCREEN_07 = ldm SCREEN_06 = rdesktop
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| 01:00 | this should be the way to go? (not all in one line off course)
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| 02:46 | <generic> hi,would anybody knows how to mount local hard disk to ltsp thin client????
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| 02:47 | i m using Ubuntu 8.04 platform
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| 02:47 | <daduke> generic: you need ltspfs* and the fuse voodoo
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| 02:48 | generic: LOCALDEV = True in lts.conf
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| 02:48 | <generic> ok,plz tell me how to
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| 02:48 | <daduke> generic: I just did ;)
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| 02:51 | generic: ltspfs on the terminal server, ltspfsd on the client file system, modprobe fuse on the server, add <user> to the fuse group.
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| 02:52 | <generic> ok ,wait
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| 02:53 | <johnny> you don't need LOCALDEV=T
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| 02:53 | it's default
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| 02:54 | <daduke> johnny: just making sure he hasn't set it to false...
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| 03:16 | <generic> I m using this path "/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf" but there is no line such LOCALDEV=T,plz tel me path,where it is set as default,i add user with fuse ,what about modprobe?
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| 03:17 | i m comming in 30 min
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| 03:24 | <johnny> you do't need to use that LOCALDEV
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| 03:24 | if ot doesn't work.. it's something else
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| 03:24 | there's a debug localdev howto on the ubunu wiki
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| 04:18 | <exodos> yesteday we made upgrade from ltsp-client-core 5.0.39 to 5.0.39.1
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| 04:18 | now we can't login anymore from our clients
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| 04:20 | how to fix it?
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| 07:35 | <generic> how i can access local hard drives in ltsp client? i m using guide from http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev,but still have problems,please tell me step by step to make it successful
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| 07:42 | plz tell me ??
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| 07:55 | <Blinny> generic: I'm not sure that is officially supported in LTSP5 yet.
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| 07:55 | generic: I think it's probably possible but would require some hacks by you to get it working.
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| 07:55 | <generic> what do you mean by hackd?
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| 07:56 | <Blinny> generic: I may be wrong, but I don't think it's something you can just add a line to a config file and have it work.
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| 07:56 | generic: What distro/version are you running?
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| 07:57 | <generic> ltsp 5
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| 07:57 | Ubuntu 8.04 server
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| 07:58 | <ogra> we had local HDs in by default in the beginning but due to heavy pushing from debian-edu that feature was ripped out
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| 07:58 | yu need to hack up the add/remove_fstab_entry scripts in ltspfsd to get that back, look in the debian BTS, there are some bugs that describe the changes
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| 08:02 | <Blinny> Thanks ogra - I wasn't sure 'bout this.
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| 08:02 | <generic> what changes i made in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/udev/rules.d/50-ltspfsd.rules
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| 08:04 | <ogra> essentially it should suffice to change that line: ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="block", ATTRS{removable}=="1", RUN+="add_fstab_entry %k"
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| 08:04 | and drop the removable bit
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| 08:06 | <generic> how to drop removable bit in ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="block", ATTRS{removable}=="1", RUN+="add_fstab_entry %k"
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| 08:16 | ??
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| 08:19 | <generic> plz tell me how to mount local Hardrives in Ltsp Client
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| 08:21 | /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ltspfs_mount ??
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| 08:56 | <jammcq> g'morning friends
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| 09:03 | <moquist> morning there, sir.
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| 09:03 | <jammcq> hey, O Quist
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| 09:18 | <Vince-0> :-)
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| 09:34 | <daduke> hey all. How can I set the default screen in lts.conf? I have screen_07=ldm and screen_08=rdesktop, however the thin client switches to 8 (rdesktop) every time the Windows login window restarts - how can I force it to show the ldm unless I manually switch to screen8? thanks.
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| 09:38 | <Guaraldo> jammcq: Hi, Jim... How do you do?
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| 09:42 | <jammcq> hey
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| 09:42 | Guaraldo: i'm fine, how are you?
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| 09:43 | <Vince-0> can any1 please tell me how to apply this dictionary.py patch at : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/92660
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| 09:43 | (im getting blank ltsp-manager window and thats the closest I've come to a fix)
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| 09:45 | <Gadi> daduke: are you on ltsp5 and what distro?
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| 09:45 | * Gadi waves to jammcq | |
| 09:46 | <jammcq> hey Gadi
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| 09:49 | <Vince-0> is there a way to manually create ltsp client logins ? ( like chroot to the env etc?)
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| 09:50 | <Nubae> manually?
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| 09:50 | <Vince-0> yar ltsp-manager is effed
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| 09:51 | thin-client manager is effed
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| 09:52 | (tryin to fix dictionary.py and ltsp-manager from what i can gather from bug reports
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| 09:55 | <Vince-0> OH YES! finally some progress: I can now see the ltsp-manager window whoot!
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| 09:57 | bleh, no user account managment
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| 09:59 | <Nubae> what distro?
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| 09:59 | <Vince-0> ubuntu 8.04 64bi
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| 09:59 | <ogra> doesnt matter, ltsp manager is a mockup, it has never had any backend
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| 09:59 | <Vince-0> oh damn, im doomed
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| 09:59 | <ogra> what kind of users would you want to maintain ?
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| 10:00 | its not actually a normal usecase to have any users on the client root
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| 10:00 | <Vince-0> just the call centre users - thin clients who need just a web browser
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| 10:00 | <Nubae> so just chroot in and create teh accounts
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| 10:00 | <ogra> sessions run on the server
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| 10:00 | <Nubae> really... sounds like kiosk mode
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| 10:01 | <ogra> if you really think you need any users in the chroot, do what Nubae said, chroot into the client root, create your users and re-roll the image
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| 10:01 | <Vince-0> Nubae: thats what i thought - chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ and useradd and whatever..
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| 10:01 | hmm, true - Ill give it a go
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| 10:02 | <ogra> what would you do with these users ?
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| 10:02 | <Vince-0> just get their logins to work - just for a web browser
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| 10:02 | <Nubae> y not use the kiosk plugin
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| 10:02 | ltsp-build-client --kiosk
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| 10:03 | <ogra> which doesnt need local users either :)
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| 10:03 | <Vince-0> okok , kiosk sounds good - ill try em now
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| 10:03 | thanks guys !
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| 10:03 | <ogra> it has a virtua local kiosk user
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| 10:03 | <Nubae> tied to the hostname'
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| 10:03 | ?
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| 10:03 | like guest login?
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| 10:03 | <ogra> but generally the only thing that counts for ltsp is the users *on the server*
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| 10:04 | unless you do something manual to set up a fat client
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| 10:04 | which isnt supported by default yet
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| 10:04 | <Nubae> will be intrepid ;-)
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| 10:04 | in intrepid even
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| 10:04 | <Vince-0> yeah kinda - the end goal is to get a click button from a web page - dial to an asterisk pbx and have the call on an assinged viop handset
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| 10:04 | fyi
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| 10:05 | <ogra> right, tat would need localapp support which isnt implemented yet
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| 10:05 | (and wont need local users either in the desired implementation :) )
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| 10:05 | <Nubae> from a security perspective, that is of course much better
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| 10:06 | <ogra> as well as from a maintenance perspective :)
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| 10:06 | <Nubae> well, ldap would be identical
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| 10:06 | <Vince-0> yar, thats what i thought - need local apps to have that kind of functionality -
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| 10:07 | <ogra> Nubae, nope. ldap wouldnt be identical
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| 10:07 | you would have to maintain an ldap server and client setups
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| 10:07 | <Vince-0> whats the option for lts-build-client to have it read from file://cdrom ?
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| 10:07 | <Nubae> client setups? why the plural?
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| 10:07 | <ogra> --mirror file:///cdrom
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| 10:07 | (note the three slashes)
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| 10:08 | <Vince-0> thank you
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| 10:08 | <Nubae> but yeah, ok... point was once ldap is installed it also doesnt require maintennc
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| 10:08 | but ldap server is not an easy install yet
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| 10:12 | <Blinny> Yuck.
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| 10:19 | <Blinny> Someone needs to tell the bash autocompletion team to settle down, have a beer and stop messing with (what was) a good thing.
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| 10:20 | <Vince-0> *maybe its not beer
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| 10:22 | <Blinny> Why in the hell, when I'm trying to scp a local file to a remote server, does my autocomplete of the local filename get stopped by trying to suggest ads.multimediahappyfriendzonedotcomdotlove.crap ??!
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| 10:24 | <laga> Blinny: how do you reproduce that?
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| 10:25 | scp a<TAB>
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| 10:25 | ?
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| 10:25 | <Blinny> laga: Yeah.
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| 10:25 | <laga> doesnt work here on hardy
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| 10:25 | <Blinny> or tab-tab b/c there are usually hundreds of matches.
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| 10:25 | I'm using Hardy.
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| 10:25 | (not that exact hostname, of course)
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| 10:25 | <ogra> doesnt do anything for me
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| 10:25 | just a terminal beep
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| 10:26 | <laga> akregator: making boring lectures enjoyable
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| 10:26 | <ogra> heh
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| 10:26 | <Vince-0> aak what is this busy box thing?
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| 10:26 | <Nubae> well there needs to be a file with a in it
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| 10:27 | otherwise you'll get a beep indicating there is no file starting with a ;-)
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| 10:27 | <ogra> laga, that doesnt seem to be bash-completion though, but command-not-found
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| 10:27 | <ogra> did you actually have it like: scp <localfile> a<tab>
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| 10:27 | ?
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| 10:28 | Vince-0, the shell used in initramfs ... you usually get dropped to it if something with dhcp or nfs/nbd is wrong
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| 10:29 | <Nubae> almost always another dhcp server on the network, or wrong image (i386 instead of 64 bit)
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| 10:29 | <Blinny> I have a file named mas_import.php
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| 10:29 | <Vince-0> bleh, more to work on - thanks Nubae
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| 10:30 | <Blinny> I do "scp ma<tab><tab>" and I get Display all 128 possibilities? (y or n) with "matches" like this: macdailynews.us.intellitxt.com:
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| 10:30 | I guess I'm just complaining about autocompletion precedence.
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| 10:30 | <ogra> Blinny, and are you sure you dont have such subdirs ?
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| 10:31 | <Vince-0> so ogra, Nubae : you think to have a web page dial to asterisk and place call on voip phone there must be local apps ?
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| 10:31 | <Nubae> u could install a fat client
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| 10:31 | but it requires some work and knowledge of how ltsp works
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| 10:33 | <Blinny> ogra: root@www:~# updatedb && locate macdaily
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| 10:33 | root@www:~#
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| 10:33 | <Vince-0> hmm, what if the web page told asterisk what to dial and what voip phone to connect the call to (say an agent login on the site)
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| 10:33 | <Blinny> ogra: I'm not asking you to fix this (; just needing to bitch & moan a bit.
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| 10:34 | <Blinny> It's specific to ssh commands; vi doesn't do it.
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| 10:34 | However, I don't have any ssh stuff in /etc/bash_completion.d/ so I'll need to try to extricate it from /etc/bash_completion somehow.
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| 10:35 | <ogra> Blinny, hmm, it seems to dig your history
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| 10:36 | <Blinny> history |grep mac doesn't display any macdailynews stuff.
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| 10:36 | Admit it; I'm special.
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| 10:37 | <Nubae> Vince-0: localapps sound ideal for that situation, but you can do it with a low fat client too
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| 10:38 | <Vince-0> lol low fat
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| 10:38 | <Nubae> I'm working on a fatclient plugin which should be finished in a couple of days... but if you are impatient... check here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFatClients
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| 10:38 | <Vince-0> niiice !
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| 10:39 | <Nubae> in fact... the existing plugin on that page will suit you just fine
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| 10:39 | as you dont really need synching of users in your case...
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| 10:39 | will you have roaming desktops?
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| 10:40 | <Vince-0> ok, i understand - no no roaming desktops
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| 10:40 | i just need a browser - was hoping it could be done on a thin client w/o local apps
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| 10:40 | but ill speak to the asterisk progger guy
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| 10:40 | <Nubae> ok... so just install the plugin, add the user and away you go
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| 10:40 | <ogra> you need a pretty big office for that ... and a safe place for your employees ... using roaming desktop can be dangerous !
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| 10:41 | <Vince-0> thanks Nubae - ill check it out -
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| 10:46 | I've tried to download edubuntu cds - but it just points me at the usual ubuntu cd downloads - is there a difference ?
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| 10:46 | <johnny> it's an addon cd in hardy
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| 10:46 | <Vince-0> ok thought so
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| 10:47 | that has ltsp managment guis
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| 10:47 | <johnny> not really
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| 10:47 | there is no ltsp management gui that i know of
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| 10:47 | <Vince-0> ltsp-manager
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| 10:47 | thin client manager
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| 10:47 | <johnny> that's for ltsp 4.2
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| 10:47 | <Vince-0> oh damn
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| 10:47 | <Nubae> yeah, not needed anymore
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| 10:47 | <johnny> err ltsp-manager is for 4.2.. it doesn't work
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| 10:47 | thin client manager is really just a class room manager
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| 10:48 | <ogra> johnny, both are for ltsp5 :)
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| 10:48 | <johnny> and it's not used in hardy by default, italc is recommended
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| 10:48 | <johnny> ogra, am i thinking of some other package?
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| 10:48 | <ogra> but ltsp-manager was never finished, its only gui, no backend
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| 10:48 | <Blinny> Wasn't it called student- something?
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| 10:48 | <johnny> still is
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| 10:48 | <ogra> there was a script in ltsp 4 that sounded similat to ltsp-manager
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| 10:48 | <johnny> aha
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| 10:48 | <Vince-0> i seee now
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| 10:49 | no wonder it doesnt work properly
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| 10:49 | <johnny> thin-client-manager is unmaintained
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| 10:49 | <johnny> the x11vnc stuff doesn't work
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| 10:49 | <Nubae> ital is better anyway
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| 10:49 | italc
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| 10:50 | <johnny> but i still use it for simple disconnection and message passing
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| 10:50 | which is all we need
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| 10:50 | is to tell people to get off the computers
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| 10:50 | i had to blank the screen on an irate customer once
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| 10:50 | he got banned from the store for a month
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| 10:50 | <Nubae> heh, didnt he get even moer irate after that?
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| 10:50 | <johnny> yeah.. but he left of his own accord
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| 10:50 | and came back and apologized to me
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| 10:51 | <Vince-0> lol
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| 10:52 | <johnny> there was a bug in a network driver that was droppin connects after awhile, and he was whining to people about it being my fault
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| 10:52 | cuz he was tryin to run his ebay business from our public internet terminals
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| 10:52 | and he was tryin to snipe bids
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| 10:53 | so disconnects were not good for that :)
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| 10:54 | <Blinny> heh
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| 10:56 | <Vince-0> problem : any user account i make in the ltsp/i386 environment doesnt work at thin client login - i've updated images
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| 10:57 | <johnny> you don't create it there
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| 10:57 | they come from the server accounts..
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| 10:59 | <Vince-0> oh, lol - then that didnt work either - tomorrow is another day - !
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| 10:59 | thanks for the help guys ! enjoy the rest of the day
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| 10:59 | exit
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| 11:16 | <feinbein> hi, does anyone know which file logs startup of the clients in ltsp5/Hardy?
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| 11:17 | <ogra> if you enable remote access to syslog on the server (add -r to the options in the file in /etc/default/) it will be logged in the servers /var/log/syslog file
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| 11:18 | <feinbein> I dont seem to get rdesktop and ldm to work at the same time on Ctrl-ALT-F7 resp. Ctrl-ALT-F6
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| 11:18 | <ogra> apart from that there is dmesg, Xorg.0.log and ldm.log directly on the client
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| 11:19 | <feinbein> but how do i access those files while I am trying to debug client start.
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| 11:19 | i dont even get to the ldm or rdesktop screen
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| 11:23 | as soon as I use SCREEN_06 = rdesktop in lts.conf i get mtrr: your processor doesn't support write-combining
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| 11:25 | <Gadi> feinbein: if you ctrl-alt-f1 - do you get alogin prompt?
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| 11:26 | <feinbein> no, just get a grey blinking screen showing up and then going away again...
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| 11:27 | can login at all - not grafical (ldm) nor terminal
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| 11:27 | <Gadi> how about without SCREEN_06=rdesktop
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| 11:27 | can you ctrl-alt-f1?
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| 11:28 | <feinbein> i shall try, hold on a second
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| 11:29 | i have emptied all entries in lts.conf now.
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| 11:30 | but still cant get a terminal on ctrl-alt-f1, but now i get ldm-login on f7 as usual
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| 11:30 | <Gadi> what kind of thin client is this?
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| 11:30 | what video chipset?
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| 11:30 | <feinbein> could thios be because of running all in a VMware-env?
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| 11:30 | as i said. server and clients running in VMware
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| 11:31 | <Gadi> ah
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| 11:31 | <feinbein> just testing ;-}
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| 11:31 | <Gadi> that shouldnt be a problem
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| 11:31 | can you rm lts.conf
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| 11:31 | <feinbein> ldm login works like a treat and rdesktop or tsclient work from the clients after login
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| 11:31 | <Gadi> rather than having an empty one
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| 11:32 | also: ls /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d
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| 11:32 | hmm..
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| 11:32 | if thats where it is still located...
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| 11:34 | <feinbein> sure, I ll try that
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| 11:34 | <Gadi> what distro are you on?
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| 11:34 | <feinbein> s /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d ldm rdesktop rdesktop~ shell startx telnet
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| 11:35 | Ubuntu Hardy 8.04
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| 11:35 | <Gadi> are you editing the rdesktop script?
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| 11:35 | <johnny> eventually it will be /usr/share/ltsp for ltsp..
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| 11:35 | not /usr/lib..
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| 11:35 | in intrepid i imagine
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| 11:35 | <feinbein> i tried, but it didnt help
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| 11:35 | <Gadi> johnny: just to be annoying, right ;)
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| 11:35 | <alkisg> feinbein, post your lts.conf
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| 11:36 | <johnny> Gadi, if you say so :)
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| 11:36 | <Gadi> then, in intrepid+1 we can move it again - and then write a script to find it
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| 11:36 | :)
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| 11:36 | <alkisg> the screen with the cursor going out must be rdesktop not connecting
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| 11:36 | <feinbein> thats empty right now, bc i tried to get a root login on Crtl-Alt-f1
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| 11:37 | <Gadi> feinbein: if you edited rdesktop, please paste that too
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| 11:37 | also, : sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg -l rdesktop
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| 11:37 | <feinbein> ill be back i a sec just firing up xchat within vm
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| 11:38 | <feinbein> hio i am back
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| 11:38 | just posting on pastebin...
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| 11:40 | http://pastebin.com/d36fe9865
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| 11:40 | rdesktop
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| 11:40 | <alkisg> feinbein, if you have problems with ctrl+alt+f1, you should first settle that..
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| 11:40 | chroot, passwd, ltsp-update-image, try to login as root
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| 11:41 | <Gadi> alkisg: he said he doesnt get a login prompt
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| 11:41 | at least i think he did
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| 11:42 | <feinbein> http://pastebin.com/m5bd347e
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| 11:42 | lts.conf
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| 11:42 | <alkisg> I'll be back in a while... :)
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| 11:43 | <Gadi> feinbein: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg -l rdesktop
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| 11:44 | <feinbein> do i have to exec ltsp-update-image in the chroot? that explains it maybe...
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| 11:44 | <Gadi> no
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| 11:44 | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg -l rdesktop
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| 11:45 | * Gadi guesses you have no rdesktop in your chroot | |
| 11:45 | <feinbein> http://pastebin.com/d719f0256
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| 11:45 | <Gadi> in which case a: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install rdesktop; sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 11:45 | would be in order
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| 11:45 | <feinbein> rdesktop is installed. it works when i log in via ldm
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| 11:45 | <Gadi> ldm uses rdesktop on the server
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| 11:46 | you are trying to run rdesktop on the client
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| 11:46 | you need to: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg -l rdesktop
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| 11:46 | on the server
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| 11:46 | not just dpkg -l rdesktop
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| 11:46 | <feinbein> i did that. i am in the chroot
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| 11:47 | <Gadi> ah ok
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| 11:47 | but, just to be clear: when you launch rdesktop from an ldm session, rdesktop runs on the server not the client
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| 11:48 | <Gadi> SCREEN_06 = rdesktop tells the client to run rdesktop full screen
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| 11:48 | try changing it to SCREEN_08=rdesktop
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| 11:49 | <feinbein> just executing what you said. then Ill try screen_08
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| 11:50 | <Gadi> okey dokey - brb
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| 11:50 | <feinbein> takes a while with the image -shall have a cig meanwhile...
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| 11:54 | <lns> Gadi!
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| 11:54 | I just got 6 shiny new Koolu TCs in, all with Geode chipsets.
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| 11:54 | <laga> gimme gimme
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| 11:55 | <lns> ;) laga
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| 11:55 | I'll hopefully be bringing them onsite tomorrow
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| 11:56 | today i'm going to upgrade to Hardy remotely =p
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| 11:56 | * lns loves being dangerous | |
| 12:01 | <feinbein> ok, now i get rdesktop login on F8 but can change to F7 to have ldm
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| 12:02 | <brian__> Hey guys, I have what i think is a quick question...
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| 12:03 | <lns> !question
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| 12:03 | <ltspbot`> lns: "question" is if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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| 12:06 | <brian__> I am running 2008 64 bit mandriva. i loaded ltsp 4.2 and configured it but im having problems picking up the broadcast from a client. i disabled firewalls and isolated the network. When adding it by the IP it will come to a blank screen with a X for the mouse...
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| 12:06 | <alkisg> feinbein, RDP_SERVER = login.xxxxx.xx => try to put IP instead, are you sure dns is ok on the clients?
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| 12:07 | <feinbein> dns is just fine. i just managed to log in to the server. but then i can not switch to ldm login on f7
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| 12:08 | or rather i want come back to f8 afterwards
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| 12:09 | <lns> brian__, sorry - I'm not sure about Mandriva/ltsp4.2
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| 12:09 | <feinbein> meaning i get rdesktop login to my win2003 server, can login but if go to another terminal via crtl-alt f7 and login to ldm i cannot come back to the rdesktop screen
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| 12:10 | i reckon the problem lies with vmware test- setup
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| 12:11 | <brian__> ok, thanks....Im going to reload ltsp...
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| 12:12 | <alkisg> with virtualbox it worked just fine...
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| 12:12 | <feinbein> well, the ldm login works just fine - it would just be nice to be able to use both worlds on the same machine without reboot
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| 12:13 | if I start tsclient/rdesktop after ldm-login in fullscreen I cant use alt-tab to switch to other applications
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| 12:15 | <feinbein> which brings us to thinclients with 2 monitors ;-}
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| 12:20 | still another problem is that I never seem to get a console-login on Ctrl-Alt-F1
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| 12:21 | <johnny> you shouldn't
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| 12:21 | you should set SCREEN_02=shell
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| 12:21 | if you want a shell
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| 12:23 | <feinbein> johnny: just trying that...
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| 12:24 | no shell - just a black screen
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| 12:24 | <johnny> you broke it
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| 12:25 | <feinbein> just to be sure - do i have to update the image everytime i change lts.conf?
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| 12:26 | <Blinny> feinbein: only if the lts.conf is in /opt/ltsp/{ARCH}/etc -- if in new default location (/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/{ARCH} tree) then no.
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| 12:26 | <feinbein> yeah i know - i break everything... The Lady keeps saying that, too
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| 12:26 | it lies in /var/...
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| 12:27 | <Blinny> ...then no need to update.
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| 12:27 | <johnny> i wonder if it has anything to do with the hardy ltsp-build-client creating an expired root user..
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| 12:27 | <feinbein> do i have to set a password for root? so far i just had a sudo user
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| 12:32 | <feinbein> strange thing is, when i start the client i get a working rdesktop login on F8 now, but when i try to get to F2 (shell) i get a black screen
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| 12:33 | <feinbein> when i go to F7 i get ldm but I cannot come back to rdesktop on F8. Isn't that weird?
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| 12:34 | <johnny> no
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| 12:34 | it's normal
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| 12:34 | <feinbein> ???
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| 12:34 | <johnny> if you're in X , you have to use ctr+alt+f8 to get there
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| 12:34 | <feinbein> you mean its technically impossible what i am trying here?
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| 12:34 | <johnny> you have to add ctrl+
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| 12:35 | <feinbein> thats what i meant off course. I just used the short version to describe my problem
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| 12:36 | but i use Crtl-Alt-F2, resp. Crtl-Alt-F7 and Crtl-Alt-F8 just as I would on my normal linux-box
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| 12:36 | <johnny> hmm.. it should work..
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| 12:36 | <feinbein> it doesnt...
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| 12:37 | <johnny> perhaps the video driver is broken..
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| 12:37 | <feinbein> as i said ithing its the vmware-setup. Ill try with my laptop
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| 12:41 | cool, i can get a login on c-a-F2 and switch back to c-a-F7 again on my laptop
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| 12:41 | <alkisg> feinbein, what's the vmware hotkey for alt+ctrl? right ctrl?
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| 12:41 | <feinbein> alkisg: i switch that to crtl-shift-alt to get it out of the way
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| 12:42 | <alkisg> maybe the problem is on the hotkey?
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| 12:43 | <feinbein> but c-a-F8 comes back now with a long error message. failed module-X11-xsmp
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| 12:43 | <alkisg> e.g. X intercepts some combinations, and vmware is unaware...
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| 12:43 | <feinbein> yes but why can i switch to ldm then?
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| 12:44 | <alkisg> Maybe it only intercepts *some* keystrokes...
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| 12:44 | <feinbein> i thing the problem lies with video driver for vmware
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| 12:44 | <alkisg> E.g. Alt+Ctrl+Shift+F7 might mean something, but +F2 not...
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| 12:44 | <feinbein> rather vice-versa then?
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| 12:45 | just checking hotkey setup in vmware
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| 12:47 | <feinbein> how do i get to the xorg.log of the clients?
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| 12:48 | from the server?
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| 13:34 | <tempb0y> hi all
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| 13:35 | <tempb0y> being pressured into using ms office apps. i currently have ltsp setup with about 10 clients
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| 13:35 | <johnny> they are willing to pay the licensing fees ?
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| 13:35 | <tempb0y> how can i incorporate ltsp and 10 clients with new windows server that was just purchased? i really don't want to deploy full blown desktop :(
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| 13:35 | yes. they are aware of fees
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| 13:35 | <johnny> there's rdesktop in ltsp
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| 13:36 | <tempb0y> but we only have one dell server though that will run server 2008
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| 13:36 | <tempb0y> err, make that 2003
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| 13:36 | <johnny> if it has terminal server client licenses, it'll work
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| 13:37 | <tempb0y> that is the bit i do not understand. you see ltsp is simple install it configure clients for pxe boot and ur done
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| 13:37 | <johnny> terminal server licenses + ms office fees
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| 13:37 | <lns> tempb0y, you can either go the m$ terminal server route (i'd recommend in a virtual machine) or crossover office
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| 13:37 | <johnny> tempb0y, just set the lts.conf to rdesktop..
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| 13:37 | <tempb0y> johnny or lns you all ever setup terminal server ?
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| 13:37 | <johnny> somehow
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| 13:37 | no
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| 13:38 | you're gonna have to look up the windows side yourself
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| 13:38 | <tempb0y> so terminal server is just to share applications? not the entire windows gui?
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| 13:38 | <lns> tempb0y, yeah..i'm in the middle of a big issue with doing MS terminal server 2003 at 5 sites
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| 13:38 | tempb0y, if i were you i'd really opt out of installing win2k3 server, even in a VM..it's just too much money
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| 13:38 | and headache
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| 13:38 | you have to deal with the licensing server, installing all this junk and spending time just so MS knows you paid for your stuff
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| 13:39 | <tempb0y> they would really like to pull up entire windows environment with only the ms office apps, internet explorer, and ms outlook
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| 13:39 | <lns> I'd go crossover office, that way you just have one desktop on the clients
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| 13:39 | <tempb0y> but does crossover office work with office 2007
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| 13:39 | ?
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| 13:39 | <lns> tempb0y, you'll have to look at their site
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| 13:39 | <tempb0y> im there now
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| 13:39 | <lns> question - why are you doing LTSP if they all want MS apps though?
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| 13:41 | <tempb0y> lns this has been running for 4 years now and they want more
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| 13:42 | more features than OO.org has as well as mozilla e-mail client
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| 13:42 | <johnny> there's always evolutin for email..
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| 13:42 | evolution*
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| 13:42 | <tempb0y> and on codeweavers site office 2003 is at the bronze level so i don't think its ready for production
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| 13:46 | <sutula> tempb0y: I have a similar setup with a single 2003 server, and people just rdesktop into that machine whenever they have to use Winders apps
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| 13:47 | tempb0y: IMO, it's not in my best interest to make it any easier for the users than that...encourages them to use the open apps instead
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| 13:47 | <tempb0y> sutula how many can rdp into the server?
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| 13:48 | <sutula> tempb0y: Depends on how many licenses your client wants to buy from M$
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| 13:48 | tempb0y: The setup is possible...as has already been pointed out, this isn't the channel to discuss support of it though
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| 13:48 | <tempb0y> it would be 10 to 12. so once lics are in place that many users can connect via rdp? now will they have full blown desktop? or just apps like word, etc?
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| 13:48 | <johnny> desktop..
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| 13:48 | <tempb0y> but i'll still be using ltsp at the core
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| 13:49 | <sutula> Yes
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| 13:49 | <tempb0y> that is where #ltsp will come in :)
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| 13:50 | <stgraber> you can probably use seamless rdp to export only one app
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| 13:59 | <lns> tempb0y, if you do "application server mode" you can export one app at a time (but you need to install/configure/pay for a seperate licensing server, etc)
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| 13:59 | * lns is going to stop talking about windows now | |
| 14:02 | <tempb0y> ok, i'll probably do entire desktop and have ltsp load it upon boot
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| 14:02 | johnny this is where i'd update ltsp.conf for rdp?
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| 14:02 | <johnny> sorry i don't know how it works
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| 14:02 | no windows anywhere here
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| 14:02 | <tempb0y> k
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| 14:12 | <cliebow> tempb0y, Gadi is the Master in rdesktop ;-]
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| 14:23 | <tempb0y> cliebow i'll have to talk to Gadi when they are available then :)
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| 14:26 | <cliebow> tempboy: i can pastebot earlier conversation for you re rdesktop
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| 14:29 | <ltsppbot> "cliebow" pasted "<feinbein> hi, does anyone kno" (87 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/535
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| 14:30 | <cliebow> the upshot being rdesktop is installed as a local app in the chroot
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| 14:39 | <tempb0y> cliebow thanks
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| 14:43 | <Nubae> tempboy... I've been using codeweavers office XP for about a year
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| 14:44 | <tempb0y> nubae nice. how did you integrate it into ltsp?
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| 14:44 | <Nubae> Works perfectly, except it hogs an enourmous amount of resources....
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| 14:44 | about 10x what OO does
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| 14:44 | <tempb0y> so, CW is installed on ltsp server?
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| 14:44 | <Nubae> sure
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| 14:44 | <tempb0y> how is yours setup?
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| 14:44 | <Nubae> it works in managed mode
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| 14:44 | so each user has a copy of Office
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| 14:45 | <tempb0y> sweet. and xp is pretty stable?
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| 14:45 | <Nubae> Stable yes, memory and CPU friendly, no
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| 14:46 | you will probably need to set aside at least 256mb per thin client (on the server) to run it without the network going down
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| 14:46 | you could also install winedoors
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| 14:47 | that is a very easy way to install windows apps... everything from dreamweaver to photoshop
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| 14:47 | and those 2 work great on codeweavers too..
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| 14:48 | All that said, I've now uninstalled all non open source apps from our server, and install vmware player on a per user basis
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| 14:50 | <tempb0y> vmware player just so they can use office ?
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| 14:51 | <Nubae> well, generally the user who wants to use office, also wants to use other windows apps
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| 14:51 | <Nubae> but, best policy is to install it only in the case that the app does not work on linux
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| 14:52 | <tempb0y> i gotcha. what is the server load like for vmware player?
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| 14:52 | <Nubae> luckily, that is less and less software
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| 14:52 | better than codeweavers and MS office running on every thin client
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| 14:52 | more controlled that way...
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| 14:53 | <tempb0y> so you put vmware player on the server? how do the thin clients connect to apps within the player?
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| 14:56 | <Nubae> install them on the server too
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| 14:56 | within the image
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| 14:57 | after vmware is installed, just proceed with installing each app from the cdrom drive as if it were a windows machine
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| 14:57 | <tempb0y> right but how do x-ltsp client access ms word within the player?
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| 14:57 | doh! you have terminal services running in theplayer?
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| 14:57 | <Nubae> but... I've been told that virtualbox is actually a better more integrated with ubuntu and open source alternative
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| 14:57 | no.... vmplayer
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| 14:58 | on the server you have vmware server
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| 14:58 | <tempb0y> yea, theplayer = vmplayer :)
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| 14:58 | <Nubae> actually vmware player is also on the server
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| 14:58 | <tempb0y> son on ltsp server you also have vmware server installed?
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| 14:58 | <Nubae> jsut another app
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| 14:58 | <tempb0y> ok, so on thin client they run vmplayer to use their windows apps
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| 14:58 | <Nubae> yep
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| 14:59 | <tempb0y> heh, they fire up an entire windows environment just to use word
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| 14:59 | <Nubae> not the apps, but windows itself
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| 14:59 | its already fired up
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| 14:59 | so its just a matter of switching screens
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| 14:59 | <tempb0y> the server already fires it up?
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| 14:59 | <Nubae> and like I said, generally its used for multiple windows apps
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| 14:59 | <tempb0y> how many clients can you have connected to it at the same time? 5, 15, 20?
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| 15:00 | <Nubae> the ones not available on linux (specialised school management and exam entry software
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| 15:00 | legally or practically?
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| 15:00 | <tempb0y> ah, so for office products you stick with CW?
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| 15:00 | <Nubae> we did, then I uninstalled it, and now we use open office
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| 15:00 | unless the user really nags me and I fire up vmware for him
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| 15:01 | <tempb0y> i see. let me see what version of OO i'm using now
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| 15:01 | <Nubae> it has progressed a great deal
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| 15:01 | the latest versions are really good, even the database software has become stable and very usable
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| 15:01 | and there is a massive amount of open clipart, fonts, and templates
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| 15:01 | <tempb0y> how can i get oo version without firing up APP?
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| 15:02 | <Nubae> apt-get install clipart-openoffice.org
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| 15:02 | ummm... dpkg -l |grep openoffice
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| 15:02 | <tempb0y> i did oo <tab><tab>
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| 15:02 | then typed ooffice --version and it tries to load gui
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| 15:03 | <Nubae> the command I gave you will list the version number
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| 15:04 | 2.4 is the latest
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| 15:04 | also... take a look at oxygen office, which is openoffice on steroids
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| 15:05 | <tempb0y> i'm using 1.1
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| 15:06 | heh, no wonder the natives are complaining :)
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| 15:06 | <Nubae> heh
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| 15:06 | what distro?
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| 15:06 | <tempb0y> debian
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| 15:07 | installed back in 04
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| 15:07 | this september will be 4 years :)
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| 15:08 | <sutula> tempb0y: Even Etch is at 2.0.4
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| 15:08 | <tempb0y> what is the proper way to upgrade?
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| 15:08 | <sutula> So the real problem is a lazy BOFH, not the need to run Winders apps :)
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| 15:08 | <Nubae> well, you are SERIOUSLY behind the times then and in for a treat
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| 15:09 | <tempb0y> no, no, no, don't blame me
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| 15:09 | they (customer) didn't wnat to pay for maintenance and support
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| 15:09 | now they call me whinning saying i want this, and that, etc
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| 15:09 | <Nubae> ok, well, upgrading them is going to wow them considerably... linux has blossomed
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| 15:10 | I would consider trying ubuntu
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| 15:10 | its easier to install and maintain than debian
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| 15:10 | I'll probably get some boos from the debian users in here
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| 15:10 | * sutula takes issue with the "maintain" part, but agrees that it's easier to install, and esp. LTSP support is better | |
| 15:10 | <Nubae> but I maintain debian servers too... so I do know what I'm talking about
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| 15:10 | <tempb0y> well i'll have to do that when we purchase a new server. in the mean time i need to upgrade OO to 2.4 with what i have
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| 15:10 | <Nubae> maintain pertains to the ltsp part
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| 15:11 | debian is better alternative in a commercial online environment though
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| 15:11 | just my 2 cents
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| 15:11 | <tempb0y> sutula i agree, the only thing i've had to do with this ltsp server in the 4 years it has been up is replace a power supply and i just did that 2 weeks ago :)
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| 15:11 | <Nubae> I meant software maintenance, not hardware
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| 15:12 | ie... adding/deleting users, manipulating chroot, installing apps... ec
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| 15:12 | etc
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| 15:12 | <cliebow> nighto...
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| 15:12 | * sutula isn't trying to start a religious war...they're both far preferable to other commercial Linux distros, IMO, for maintainability | |
| 15:12 | <Nubae> totally agree
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| 15:13 | <tempb0y> night cliebow
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| 15:13 | * Nubae cringes thinking about fedora and suse maintenance | |
| 15:13 | <Nubae> takes 10 times as long...
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| 15:13 | <x86> *nod*
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| 15:13 | * Nubae fears he's starting a debate | |
| 15:14 | * sutula blames it on Nubae as well and scampers away :) | |
| 15:14 | <johnny> i don't trust commercial support
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| 15:14 | <johnny> apps never come soon enough
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| 15:14 | <Nubae> commercial support from whom?
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| 15:14 | <johnny> i'd rather fix stability issues as needed then force my users t use apps that are over a year old
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| 15:15 | stuff evolves too fast
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| 15:17 | <Nubae> tempb0y: u could always get users to use googleapps
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| 15:17 | without having to upgrade OO
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| 15:18 | <tempb0y> when new server gets in i'm going to do a new install. what do you suggest nubae? is there a ltsp all in one available now?
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| 15:18 | i'd like to stick with debian
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| 15:19 | http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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| 15:19 | sweet :)
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| 15:19 | <Nubae> ubuntu is integated the msot
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| 15:19 | most
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| 15:19 | and ubuntu is essentially debian
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| 15:20 | <tempb0y> guess i could go with ubuntu-server platform
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| 15:20 | <Nubae> its a one click install and you have your environment working perfectly, but massive strides have recently been done on debian integration, but its still not quite there...
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| 15:20 | IF you are a debain guru and know your ltsp, then go for it... otherwise, try ubuntu
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| 15:21 | in fact I dont think ubuntu even existed when u installed your debian server :-)
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| 15:21 | !ubuntu
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| 15:21 | <ltspbot`> Nubae: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 15:21 | <tempb0y> hehe, and i've been away from ltsp for 4-years now
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| 15:21 | <Nubae> the second link the quickinstall is the way to go
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| 15:22 | and you'll get great support on here...
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| 15:22 | <tempb0y> i'll probably role with ubuntu since it seems to be the popular debian-esq distro of choice
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| 15:22 | <Nubae> with LTSP integration in mind, it really rocks!
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| 15:23 | <tempb0y> yep, i'm sold :-D
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| 15:24 | <cliebow> ROCKS ROCKS ROCKS !!
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| 15:36 | <alkisg> Guys, does anyone know if I can use tap interfaces (br0 / tap0) instead of eth0:1 aliases to have multiple IPs for the same NIC? My problem is that dhclient doesn't work with aliases but it works with tap interfaces. I'm using my laptop as an Ubuntu hardy ltsp server...
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| 15:52 | <lns> alkisg, interesting scenario.. you're trying to put a tap iface on your laptop/hardy server.. ?
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| 15:53 | so wouldn't you mean dhcpd doesn't work w/aliases?
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| 15:53 | <alkisg> lns, yes
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| 15:53 | I also couldn't make dhcpd work with aliases
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| 15:54 | <lns> did you modify your /etc/default/dhcpd (or similar) file to listen on the correct interface?
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| 15:54 | <alkisg> dpkg-reconfigure dhcp3-server => listen to eth0:1 => error messages, can't work on aliases
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| 15:54 | <lns> ah
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| 15:55 | hmm, not sure about that one
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| 15:55 | <alkisg> So I'd like br0=192.168.0.1 / dhcp server, tap0 = dhcp client
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| 15:55 | Now I do it with br0:1 = static IP and it's a little tiring, I frequently change labs....
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| 15:56 | <lns> hehe.. never thought about that kind of configuration, not sure =)
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| 15:56 | a roaming ltsp server
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> It works fine!
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> The schools here don't have good servers, so with a 750 € laptop I get my own mobile lab! :)
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| 15:57 | <wolfgang_> good evening
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| 15:58 | <Nubae> alkisg: what are the clients then, thin terminals or laptops or what?
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| 15:58 | <wolfgang_> is someone here to help me with a boring error in setting up kiwi-ltsp in opensuse 11?
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| 15:59 | <alkisg> Nubae, usually old PCs, Celerons @500 MHz or something
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| 15:59 | <Nubae> ah... perfect, interesting solution
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| 15:59 | <alkisg> They also have Windows, but I just put grub4dos and boot off the network with the windows boot manager
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| 16:00 | memdisk etc...
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| 20:30 | <sh00p> if i have ltsp running on a server, can i use something like terminal services client to connect to the server and get the windows environment?
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| 20:31 | the client being on a windows box
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| 20:31 | like remote desktop
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| 21:02 | <johnny> yes
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| 21:02 | <johnny> i doi don't know how it works tho
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| 21:08 | <sh00p> would i use ltsp?
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| 21:27 | <johnny> you can use both
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| 21:27 | use ltsp to boot the clients and then connect to the terminal server
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| 21:28 | <sh00p> but i can use a windows client to connect to the server to get the xwindows environment?
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| 21:28 | <johnny> uhmm. sure.. but that's not ltsp
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| 21:28 | that's just using x windows
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| 21:30 | <sh00p> but ltsp is what provides the xwindows picture, right?
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| 21:33 | <johnny> not in the scenario you're describing
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| 21:34 | that's just the way X itself works
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| 21:34 | ltsp is a set of scripts that allows you to network boot computers and then authenticate to the server and use it's resources while still being able to use local devices
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| 21:35 | if you're not network booting.. it would be hard to call it ltsp
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| 21:37 | <sh00p> ok, i guess i'm getting terminal server in windows and terminal server in linux mixed up
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| 21:37 | they both do different things
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| 21:46 | <johnny> yeah.. i think i see the issue there
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| 21:48 | i have only had some passing knowledge of how windows terminal server stuff works
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| 21:48 | never needed/wanted it
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| 21:48 | at least not by the time i actually needed such a thing.
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| 21:54 | <sh00p> i guess they both do the same thing which is to provide a picture
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| 21:55 | only difference i can see is that in windows, you can use a client app to connect
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| 21:55 | you don't netboot or anything
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| 21:58 | <johnny> you can use a client app with ltsp
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| 21:58 | so.. you can set it to start up netboot via ltsp.. and then use rdesktop to connect to the terminal server
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| 21:59 | <sh00p> but i want to use my windows client to connect to the ltsp server
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| 22:00 | in windows
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| 22:00 | <johnny> i'm sure there's some sort of app that automates the process
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| 22:00 | <sh00p> no netbooting
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| 22:00 | <johnny> well that would just be connecting to any ole linux server
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| 22:00 | that would not really be ltsp
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