IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 15 August 2007 (all times are UTC)
| 00:05 | cyrenity has joined #ltsp | |
| 00:05 | <cyrenity> hi all
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| 00:05 | am getting dhcp errors while boting my thinclienys
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| 00:06 | <lns> cyrenity, what's the error detail?
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| 00:06 | <cyrenity> when thin client try to egt ip it says in logs
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| 00:06 | localhost dhcpd: DHCPRELEASE of 0.0.0.0 from 00:01:03:06:18:90 via eth1 (not found)
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| 00:06 | what this mean
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| 00:06 | dhcp is out of lease
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| 00:07 | or these are only 7 machines out of 30
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| 00:07 | any idea those 7 thinclients cant get ip from dhvp
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| 00:07 | <lns> what does it say on the client?
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| 00:10 | <sbalneav> cyrenity: What Distro are you using on the server?
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| 00:10 | <cyrenity> its tries to get dhcp for a while and gives PXE boot error
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| 00:10 | again it says press f1 to boot
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| 00:10 | debain
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| 00:11 | my dhcp is on debain and ltsp is running on Ubuntu
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| 00:11 | dhcp is seperate from ltsp machine
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| 00:13 | any idea guys its really odd
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| 00:14 | <lns> cyrenity, it would help if you had the specific client boot error text.
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| 00:15 | <cyrenity> well how i get this
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| 00:15 | am trying to get this from MAC
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| 00:15 | wait
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| 00:17 | hey what this error means by the way
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| 00:17 | DHCPREALESE
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| 00:18 | <lns> cyrenity, that's not an error
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| 00:18 | it means the dhcp server released the lease to the client
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| 00:19 | <cyrenity> hey
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| 00:19 | i try this
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| 00:19 | tail -f /var/log/syslog |grep 00:30:4f:2f:ce:b3
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| 00:19 | but no logs means the machine is not comming on network
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| 00:19 | righgt?
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| 00:19 | ok
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| 00:19 | but that client is not picking ip any more
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| 00:20 | <lns> cyrenity, it would help if you had the specific client boot error text.
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| 00:20 | there are a few things that can go wrong with pxe
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| 00:20 | the error will narrow it down so someone can help you
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| 00:20 | <cyrenity> true
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| 00:20 | but u need thin clinet scrren errors
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| 00:20 | or losg
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| 00:21 | see i cant see any logs
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| 00:21 | even i grep it tooo
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| 00:22 | <lns> the pxe boot process of the client yields many messages
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| 00:22 | <cyrenity> my ltsp box has last lines
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| 00:22 | Aug 15 10:09:03 khi-ho-008 gconfd (riasat.zaman-26865): Resolved address "xml:readwrite:/home/riasat.zaman/.gconf" to a writable configuration source at position 0
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| 00:22 | <lns> no
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| 00:22 | look on the thin client
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| 00:22 | <cyrenity> but see thin client is not getting ip
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| 00:22 | <lns> while its trying to boot
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| 00:22 | <cyrenity> thats the 1 stage and it fails on that
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| 00:22 | how it comes to ltsp w/o ip
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| 00:22 | <sbalneav> cyrenity: a paste from /var/log/daemon.log would have the dhcpd logs.
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| 00:23 | <lns> cyrenity, you *have* configured dhcp pxe boot options on your debian box right?
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| 00:23 | I.E. next-server, root-path, etc.
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| 00:23 | <cyrenity> yes
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| 00:23 | <lns> i would assume so since most clients are booting
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| 00:23 | <cyrenity> see i have 40 clients
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| 00:23 | only 7 are not working
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| 00:24 | next-server 192.168.1.251;
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| 00:24 | u wana see my dhcp file
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| 00:24 | <lns> what version of pxe is on the clients in question? are they all the same make/model?
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| 00:24 | <cyrenity> no
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| 00:24 | well i think most of are same
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| 00:25 | <sbalneav> cyrenity: Do you have assigned addressing by mac address, or a dynamic pool?
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| 00:25 | <cyrenity> both
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| 00:26 | <sbalneav> grep dhcpd /var/log/daemon.log | tail -100, and your dhcpd.conf file, and paste to the pastebot
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| 00:26 | !pastebot
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| 00:26 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 00:27 | <cyrenity> see http://pastebin.com/m7d97d50b
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| 00:28 | well no lines found with above command
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| 00:30 | any idea
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| 00:30 | <sbalneav> I'd say it's a cabling problem.
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| 00:31 | I'm assuming these 7 that aren't working are going to fall under the dynamic range?
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| 00:31 | <cyrenity> but with same cable my laptop gets ip from dhcp
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| 00:31 | so what
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| 00:31 | they get ip
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| 00:31 | yesterday all were good
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| 00:32 | hay did u note some thing in dhcp file
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| 00:32 | <sbalneav> So are they getting an ip or not?
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| 00:32 | <cyrenity> i have assigned static ips from dhcp range
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| 00:33 | <sbalneav> The only thing I noted about it is that it's a mess.
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| 00:33 | <cyrenity> they may conflict if static ones come late those ips will be assigned to thin clienst creates conflict
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| 00:33 | no they are not getting ips today
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| 00:33 | true
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| 00:33 | how i correct it
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| 00:34 | <sbalneav> What, that static ip's in the dynamic range?
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| 00:34 | Yeah, you've got a whole bunch overlapping.
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| 00:35 | You need to fix all that.
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| 00:35 | <cyrenity> hum ok
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| 00:35 | <lns> could be existing lease confusion
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| 00:36 | <sbalneav> Well, with the overlap, yeah.
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| 00:36 | 1) fix the file
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| 00:37 | 2) Clear out all the old leases in /var/lib/dhcp3
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| 00:37 | 3) restart your dhcpd server
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| 00:48 | <cyrenity> hey
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| 00:48 | if i want to assign only one ip from pool
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| 00:48 | range 192.168.1.155 192.168.1.155
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| 00:48 | is that ok
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| 00:53 | <rafaelfeito> with gutsy (tribe 4 for example) the performance boosted will possibilit boot on 32MB thinclient?
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| 00:55 | <sbalneav> Yep, it'll boot on 32 megs
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| 00:56 | <rafaelfeito> really? without boot on >> minutes ?
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| 00:58 | <sbalneav> It should boot much faster, but it'll still do some network swapping.
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| 00:58 | <rafaelfeito> it'll or it do now? (tribe 4 was released)
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| 00:58 | <sbalneav> SHould do it now.
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| 01:00 | <rafaelfeito> ok, thanks (and sorry about questions). but for this machines, did you recommends ltsp 5?
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| 01:01 | <sbalneav> Well, *I* really like it, but then again: since I work on it, I may be biased :)
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| 01:01 | <cyrenity> helo
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| 01:01 | sbalneav
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| 01:01 | any idea
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| 01:02 | how i scan ips over network
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| 01:02 | <sbalneav> ping -b?
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| 01:02 | arp -a?
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| 01:02 | there's lots of ways.
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| 01:02 | <lns> nmap
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| 01:03 | <sbalneav> for i = 1 to 255: ping 192.168.1.$i; next
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| 01:03 | etx
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| 01:03 | etc
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| 01:04 | <rafaelfeito> for one second I thought that etx is a command :P
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| 01:14 | is there a way to get more closely to work, or anyway to help?
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| 01:16 | <sbalneav> Which, help with ltsp?
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| 01:18 | <rafaelfeito> doing something for project, for example
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| 01:19 | <sbalneav> We always need people to idle in #ltsp-br and help answer questions there.
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| 01:20 | We have a lot of brazillian users
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| 01:20 | <rafaelfeito> rigth
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| 01:21 | <cyrenity> sbalneav
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| 01:21 | see new file http://pastebin.com/m6f519b8a
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| 01:21 | is that ok
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| 01:22 | <sbalneav> yikes
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| 01:22 | Dude, you need to clean up your network.
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| 01:23 | I dunno, try it. I'm not gonna proofread your dhcpd file line by line :)
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| 01:23 | <rafaelfeito> nothing technical? none for some (cs) students for example? :)
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| 01:24 | <sbalneav> https://code.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/scotts-gutsy
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| 01:24 | There's my code branch. You're always welcome to look through it, and make suggestions.
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| 01:46 | <cyrenity> sbalneav
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| 01:46 | i have corrected the dhcp file
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| 01:47 | <sbalneav> Yep, you showed me.
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| 01:47 | <cyrenity> now
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| 01:47 | <sbalneav> And?
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| 01:48 | <cyrenity> when i reboot thin client
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| 01:48 | on see logs for dhcp
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| 01:48 | Aug 15 11:42:57 localhost dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.1.222 (192.168.1.254) from 00:b0:d0:5e:26:2f via eth1
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| 01:48 | Aug 15 11:42:57 localhost dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.1.222 to 00:b0:d0:5e:26:2f via eth1
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| 01:48 | it seems thin clinet request for ip
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| 01:48 | but
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| 01:48 | it wont get this and gives PXE boot error
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| 01:49 | <sbalneav> Did you clean out all the lease files?
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| 01:49 | <cyrenity> is taht thinclient wont get the next server ip
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| 01:49 | 192.168.1.251
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| 01:49 | yes
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| 01:49 | <cyrenity> b/c users are complaining abt slow lessness in thinclinets
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| 01:50 | <sbalneav> Users are complaining things are slow?
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| 01:53 | <cyrenity> yes
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| 01:53 | things are slow
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| 01:53 | <sbalneav> Have you looked at your network switch? Is there a larger than normal traffic load? I still think you've either got a cabling problem, or a beakoning network card.
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| 01:53 | <cyrenity> i wont see any bad logs for FAT server
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| 01:54 | how i make confirm this
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| 01:54 | but see thats same thin client has windows on it and thats working fine
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| 01:55 | that windows can access network
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| 01:56 | <sbalneav> Does the windows boot over the network? or from a hard disk?
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| 01:56 | <cyrenity> hard disk
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| 01:56 | <sbalneav> ok, well think about it.
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| 01:56 | <cyrenity> let me chceck my switch wait
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| 01:57 | <sbalneav> If you've got a network problem, something that works MOSTLY off a hard disk's going to fare better than a thin client which relies TOTALLY on the network.
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| 01:57 | <cyrenity> is there any way to check my switch or network trafic
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| 01:57 | ethereal should work?
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| 01:57 | <sbalneav> Depends on your switch.
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| 01:57 | <cyrenity> actually i have very bad switches here DLINK
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| 01:57 | <sbalneav> If it's a smart switch, use the tools provided with it.
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| 01:57 | <cyrenity> no
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| 01:57 | my switches are flat 2 layer
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| 01:57 | <sbalneav> Then try substituting a different switch.
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| 01:58 | You've got spares, right?
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| 01:59 | Anyway, it's like, 2 am here. I'm tired.
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| 01:59 | I'm going to head to bed.
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| 02:01 | Good night, all
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| 02:09 | <cyrenity> hey
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| 02:09 | sbalneav
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| 02:09 | u there
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| 02:11 | lns
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| 02:11 | u there
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| 06:09 | <Jenna> hey all
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| 06:09 | is k12ltsp 5 support been dropped (thru yum i.e) and by support I mean patches only
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| 06:27 | <jammcq> Jenna: you'd best ask that question on the k12osn mailing list. there's no k12ltsp developers hanging around here much.
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| 06:30 | <ogra> are there k12 developers at all ? (apart from eric who doesnt have time)
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| 06:30 | <jammcq> ummm, interesting question
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| 06:30 | g'morning ogra
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| 06:30 | <ogra> hey jammcq
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| 06:30 | sbalneav broke his tree and went on holiday :(
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| 06:31 | * ogra curses about autoconf | |
| 06:31 | <ogra> i need to make that build somehow before tomorrow afternoon, sigh
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| 06:31 | <jammcq> he's on holiday?
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| 06:31 | <ogra> he ended his mail with "I'm off to a cabin with the wife and kids for a couple of days"
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| 06:32 | <jammcq> oh jeez
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| 06:32 | <ogra> i bet there are a lot of nifty new features in ldm2 ...
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| 06:32 | i'f i only could test them :P
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| 06:32 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 06:33 | I wonder if he's actually left yet. he was hanging around here pretty late last night
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| 06:33 | <ltsppbot> "ogra" pasted "scotts checklist" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/274
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| 06:33 | <ogra> something added calls to m4 macrosw in the autoconf run ...
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| 06:34 | <jammcq> #8) break the build. check
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| 06:34 | <ogra> and i have no idea where they came from ...
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| 06:34 | haha
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| 06:34 | well, i'll get it done somehow, i'm sure
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| 06:34 | for the weekend we should have a new and shiny ltsp :)
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| 06:34 | <jammcq> :)
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| 06:34 | nice
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| 06:35 | did you see the Linux format interview ?
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| 06:35 | <ogra> i didnt manage the ltspfs hal integration ... somehow time got to short again
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| 06:35 | <highvoltage> jammcq: link?
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| 06:35 | <jammcq> highvoltage: umm, I can give you a link to the cover page
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| 06:35 | <ogra> and francis brought a ton of new stuff in with his contributions
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| 06:35 | jammcq, nope, who was interviewed ? you ?
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| 06:36 | <jammcq> http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=NewArchives&issue=95
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| 06:36 | ogra: yep, but it was last august that I did the interview, so the info is a bit outdated
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| 06:36 | I talked alot about the work we're hoping to do at our hackfest in september
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| 06:37 | <ogra> ah, ccol
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| 06:37 | *cool
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| 06:37 | * ogra gets nostalgic feelings :) | |
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| 06:44 | <jammcq> I'm headed to the office. see ya'll later
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| 08:58 | <Gadi> ogra: ping
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| 09:00 | <ogra> Gadi, pongie ...
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| 09:00 | <Gadi> hey - I put a feistyLTSP box into production, and I found a buggie that I want to confirm with you (maybe you've seen it, too)
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| 09:01 | <ogra> tell me
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| 09:01 | <Gadi> when users log out, there are certain processes that don't die (consistently), namely: bonobo-activation-server and evolution-data-server-1.10
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| 09:02 | perhaps they ignore the kill -1 $PPID?
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| 09:02 | in any event, it leads to session instabilities
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| 09:02 | <ogra> no there is a bug in the currently shipped ldm
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| 09:02 | on next login oyu men
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| 09:03 | *mean ?
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| 09:03 | <Gadi> no, I mean, after the user logs out, they will still have those 2 processes running
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| 09:03 | and the next time they login, certain gnome programs get a bit screwed up because bonobo server has 2 instances
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| 09:04 | <ogra> right
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| 09:04 | thats fixed in scotts brach (which doesnt build and thus might miss feature freeze)
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| 09:04 | <Gadi> do you think a kill -9 instead of kill -1 would do the trick?
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| 09:04 | or is the kill not even getting executed?
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| 09:04 | <ogra> no
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| 09:05 | <Gadi> what was the fix?
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| 09:05 | do you recall?
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| 09:05 | <ogra> the kill is only for the parent ssh session ... the ending of the user session happens in the C code
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| 09:05 | <joebaker> Jammacq's face ois on the cover of Linux Format Magazine !!!!
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| 09:05 | <ogra> i think there was one change that had a sigkill added somewhere in the C code ... but thats two weeks ago, cant remember exactly
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| 09:05 | <Gadi> do you remember how it was fixed? I can port it to the feisty python code for now
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| 09:06 | <ogra> oh, wait, feisty ?
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| 09:06 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 09:06 | this is a feisty box
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| 09:06 | <ogra> try disabling desktop sounds
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| 09:06 | <Gadi> really?
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| 09:06 | <ogra> esd might play tricks to you
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| 09:07 | <Gadi> and keep bonobo running?
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| 09:07 | <ogra> well, that only disables login and logout sound
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| 09:07 | bobobo should die then
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| 09:07 | <Gadi> weird
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| 09:07 | ill try that - thx
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| 09:08 | <ogra> in gutsy esd is dead in ubuntu ;)
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| 09:08 | no problems anymore :)
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| 09:08 | <Gadi> :)
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| 09:28 | <Guaraldo> good mornning
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| 09:56 | <joris_> hi Guaraldo
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| 10:06 | <exodos> Gadi: have you tried to disable desktop sounds? did it fix the problem?
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| 10:06 | <Gadi> exodos: I disabled the sounds, but I'mnot onsite atm, so I will have to wait for the users to log in to determine
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| 10:07 | (most have already logged in. i need to wait for a latecomer ;) )
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| 10:07 | <exodos> i can test it also, just have to know where can i disable it...
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| 10:07 | <Gadi> ah, I did it in gconf-editor to make it system-wide
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| 10:08 | but you can try it for a single user
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| 10:08 | System > Preferences > Sound
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| 10:08 | <exodos> ok
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| 10:13 | didn't work for me; bonobo-activation-server, evolution-data-server-1.10 and gconfd-2 keeps stays
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| 10:13 | *keeps running
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| 10:14 | <Gadi> exodus: did you kill them off and start clean before doing the test?
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| 10:15 | <exodos> yes
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| 10:16 | i found this bug some time ago, but I still don't know what is causing it
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| 10:59 | <exodos> is lts.conf under tftp supported on LTSP 5.0.22 (latest gutsy)?
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| 11:00 | <ogra> yes
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| 11:00 | <exodos> if so which program do download it?
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| 11:00 | <ogra> a tftp-hpa
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| 11:00 | -a
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| 11:01 | <exodos> ok but where is it run from?
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| 11:01 | <ogra> initramfs
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| 11:01 | the ltsp-nbd script iirc
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| 11:01 | <exodos> thx
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| 11:02 | <ltsppbot> "ogra" pasted "tftp initramfs code" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/275
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| 11:03 | <ogra> see the paste
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| 11:05 | <rafaelfeito> tftp-hpa is better than atftp?
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| 11:06 | <ogra> rafaelfeito, its what we have there anyway
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| 11:06 | (its in the ubuntu and debian base installs, so there is no point in using and maintaining anything extra)
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| 11:07 | <exodos> ogra: where can i find a intramfs-tools' hooks for genrating ltsp initramfs?
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| 11:07 | <ogra> if you want to implement ltsp5 in another distro its up to you to use which tftp you like ;) debian and ubuntu devs decided to use whats producing least work for us
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| 11:08 | exodos, its in the client chroot ...
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| 11:08 | its part of the ltsp-client (in gutsy ltsp-client-core) package
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| 11:08 | <Gadi> hmm... now I have users with session freezes...
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| 11:09 | all is not happy in feisty land
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| 11:10 | <ogra> are you sure there is no esd running at all anymore ?
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| 11:11 | <Gadi> yup
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| 11:11 | <ogra> no esd socket in /tmp ?
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| 11:11 | <Gadi> I added an Xsession.d script for now that pkills the user's bonobo and evolution processes
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| 11:11 | ah, that there is
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| 11:11 | <ogra> ugly but works indeed
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| 11:11 | <Gadi> should I remove /tmp/.esd/socket?
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| 11:12 | <ogra> who owns it ?
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| 11:12 | <exodos> its on client or server?
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| 11:12 | <Gadi> root
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| 11:12 | (on server)
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| 11:12 | <ogra> intresting ... where does that come from ?
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| 11:12 | <Gadi> it may be a remnant
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| 11:12 | they used to be dapper+4.2
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| 11:13 | i will remove it
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| 11:13 | <ogra> (esd in ubuntu is patched to use per user sockets ... /tmp/.esd/ shouldnt even exist since esd isnt run as root by anything)
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| 11:13 | ugh dapper+4.2 ?
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| 11:13 | * ogra hopes Gadi did the upgrade right then | |
| 11:14 | <Gadi> :)
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| 11:14 | <ogra> i.e. never ever use apt ...
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| 11:14 | <Gadi> client side is immaculate
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| 11:14 | :)
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| 11:14 | <exodos> i dont have this socket but bonobo keeps running for me
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| 11:14 | <ogra> and make sure to not skip releases while dist-upgrading
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| 11:14 | <exodos> after logout
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| 11:14 | <Gadi> ogra: I am no noob to the ubuntu way ;)
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| 11:15 | I got innoculated years ago
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| 11:15 | <ogra> Gadi, sorry ...
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| 11:15 | its just that many people trash theoir system by using apt for dist upgrades instead of using the upgrade tools
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| 11:15 | <Gadi> :)
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| 11:15 | <ogra> and that leaves a lot of crap behind that could even cause such bugs
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| 11:15 | <Gadi> nah, I have used apt and come out unscathed
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| 11:16 | you just need to be a bit more attuned to what you're doing
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| 11:16 | <ogra> not really
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| 11:16 | apt- doesnt remove stuff
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| 11:16 | <Gadi> how so?
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| 11:17 | <ogra> dwe write everywhere in any doc sincee dgy to not use apt because of teh sideffects ;)
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| 11:17 | *edgy
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| 11:17 | thats why update-manager exists
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| 11:17 | <Gadi> yeah, but then there's the "don't upgrade gdm while in the GUI" type bugs
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| 11:17 | :)
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| 11:18 | <ogra> ???
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| 11:18 | gdm doesnt care
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| 11:18 | <Gadi> well, maybe we'll see if update-manager has anything to say about the current state of affairs
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| 11:19 | <ogra> it has a mechanism to not restart if a session is running
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| 11:19 | <Gadi> right - but I remember there being bugs about "don't dist-upgrade from the gui"
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| 11:19 | cant remember what and when and why
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| 11:20 | prolly resolved by now
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| 11:20 | <ogra> update-manager has a commandline tool as well ...
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| 11:20 | (since edgy i think)
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| 11:20 | <Gadi> ah - this i didnt know
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| 11:20 | <ogra> (if not its in edgy-upgrades for sure)
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| 11:24 | <Gadi> well, system appears healthy
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| 11:25 | <ogra> apparently not, since you have hanging processes i dont have on a fresh install ...
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| 11:26 | <Gadi> well, we have different users running different things, perhaps
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| 11:26 | <ogra> might be
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| 12:10 | <LTSP> Hi everyone, I wanted to confirm something... I was running through a client on my LTSP server and it seemed to be getting bogged down, so I checked what was might be running and and saw "ssh: user@notty" taking up 3% of the server cpu, I pinged "notty" since I didn't recognize it and it showed an active external ISP address... so I killed the process which knocked down the client (so I guessed it was the client). So is "notty" is
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> LTSP: notty = "no tty"
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| 12:16 | sshd is telling you it has a connection to it with no tty attached
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| 12:17 | you should have one of these for each user
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| 12:17 | i dont know how you got an external IP for notty
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| 12:17 | :)
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| 12:18 | <jammcq> hey Gadi
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| 12:18 | <Gadi> jammcq: made it back ok?
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| 12:18 | <jammcq> yeah, pretty much
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| 12:19 | it was great to stop by your office, and see the operation
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| 12:19 | <Gadi> how were the falls holding up?
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| 12:19 | <jammcq> still falling
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| 12:19 | <Gadi> twas great to have you
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| 12:20 | and the servers?
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| 12:20 | aer they up?
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| 12:20 | <jammcq> yep
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> sweet
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| 12:24 | <Blinny> jammcq: Regarding that 1225e DHCP problem, after unplugging the power brick & plugging back in it booted OK.
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| 12:24 | <jammcq> cool
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| 12:24 | interesting problem
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| 12:24 | <Blinny> Cool in a temporary fix kind of way
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| 12:24 | <Gadi> sounds like a BIOS CMOS coruption
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| 12:24 | er, corruption
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| 12:25 | pperhaps
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| 12:25 | <Blinny> Another cool thing is turning off & back on quickly (without waiting say, 5 seconds) will often cause a kernel panic on boot.
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| 12:25 | <Gadi> persistent problems that are fixed with replugging in the brick tend to be bios/battery related
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| 12:26 | <Blinny> Gadi: Then this thing doesn't have a CMOS battery?
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| 12:26 | <Gadi> naw, it prolly does
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| 12:26 | but either the battery needs replacing
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| 12:26 | (it does happen)
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| 12:27 | or the CMOS needs to be reset
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| 12:27 | <jammcq> it's a brand new thin client
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| 12:27 | <Blinny> *Nod*
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| 12:27 | <Gadi> brand new clients can be shipped with bad batteries
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| 12:27 | <jammcq> at this point, just watch it and see if you notice a pattern of failures
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| 12:27 | Gadi: umm, not the ones we sell :)
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| 12:27 | <Gadi> :)
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| 12:27 | <Blinny> heh
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| 12:27 | <Gadi> no doubt
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| 12:27 | <Blinny> Gotchya.
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| 12:39 | <LTSP> Gadi - thanks! I thought it was odd it was translated to an external IP too (and hence my concern for a potential security problem..). :)
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| 12:49 | <Blinny> In 4.2 is there a standard method for specifying default (networked) printers for different workstations?
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| 12:52 | <NickBoy> hello
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| 12:56 | <Blinny> Ah
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| 12:56 | <NickBoy> hey
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| 12:57 | <Blinny> Wait. I don't think that's the problem. I think the problem is that evince is not respecting the lpoptions setting I'm doing
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| 12:57 | <NickBoy> pretty crowded in here
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| 12:57 | <Blinny> The rest fo the programs are.
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| 12:57 | :s;fo;of
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| 12:57 | <Gadi> Blinny: typically users have default printers not workstations. There is no canned way of mapping workstations to printers, but usually you can solve this with a login script (say, in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/) that maps the workstation ip/hostname to a print queue and sets the PRINTER env variable)
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| 12:57 | <Blinny> Gadi: Right now I'm doing so in /etc/profile.d/scriptname
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| 12:57 | <Gadi> ah
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| 12:58 | <Blinny> Like this:
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| 12:58 | ws=$(echo $LTSP_CLIENT|cut -d. -f1)
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| 12:58 | case $ws in
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| 12:58 | ws0-007 ) lpoptions -d {PRINTERNAME} ;;
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| 12:58 | That kind of thing
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| 12:58 | (apologies for the pasting)
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| 12:58 | <Gadi> right
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| 12:58 | <Blinny> Is that an inelegant solution?
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| 12:59 | <Gadi> looks nice to me
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| 12:59 | <Blinny> Seems like everything else respects it except evince
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| 12:59 | <Gadi> in 4.2 there was no LTSP_CLIENT env var
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| 12:59 | <Blinny> This is k12ltspv6 (based on 4.2) and I have that var available
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| 12:59 | <Gadi> well, there's always acroread
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| 13:00 | :)
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| 13:00 | <Blinny> *shudder*
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| 13:00 | There's always Vista too ;)
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| 13:00 | <Gadi> interesting - i thought that var crept in in v5
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| 13:00 | <Blinny> but the day I go with one is the day I go with the other
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| 13:00 | Eric may have backported that in somewheres.
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| 13:00 | <Gadi> there's always xpdf
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| 13:00 | :P
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| 13:02 | <Blinny> Hrm. Looks like a bug in libgnomeprint
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| 13:02 | I guess Thunderbird & Firefox don't use that then.
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| 13:02 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/fedora/+source/libgnomeprint/+bug/34112
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| 13:07 | <NickBoy> hey my client wont connect to my server ...it says OS no found ....BTW am quite a noob in this subject
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| 13:07 | <NickBoy> i cant see if pxe is starting
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| 13:08 | ive got a new eth card from realtek
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| 13:08 | and ive installed my server with the k12ltsp discs
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| 13:08 | fedora core 6
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| 13:09 | my client is a p2 300 with 128mb ram and no hard drive
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| 13:10 | <Blinny> NickBoy: Does the eth card allow for network booting? You'll see this in your BIOS in 'boot devices' or 'boot priority'
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| 13:10 | <NickBoy> my laptop wil boot the pxe rom but the server couldnt detect my eth card because it was an sis onboard card
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| 13:10 | the kernel couldnt detect
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| 13:11 | so i know the server is working but why give the client this error OS not found
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| 13:11 | ive selected in the bios that it wil boot to network
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| 13:12 | what am i doing wrong?
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| 13:12 | <Blinny> NickBoy: Let me make sure I understand you correctly.
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| 13:12 | <NickBoy> k
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| 13:12 | <Blinny> NickBoy: You have a laptop that boots from the server over the network correctly, and using PXE.
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| 13:12 | <NickBoy> yes
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| 13:13 | but the linux kernel couldnt detect my network card
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| 13:13 | so it stopped half way loading the kernel
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| 13:14 | <Blinny> Okay. You also have a desktop, however when you plug it using the same network plug as the laptop, it says 'OS not found' ?
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| 13:14 | <NickBoy> yes
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| 13:14 | <Blinny> Does it _try_ to boot from the network? (IE, show a little DHCP business?)
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| 13:15 | <NickBoy> no not at all
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| 13:15 | <Blinny> That sounds like a NIC/BIOS issue.
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| 13:15 | Either the NIC doesn't support remote booting, or the BIOS is misconfigured.
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| 13:15 | <NickBoy> strange ive configured the bios correctly
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| 13:15 | i wil check it
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| 13:15 | brb
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| 13:16 | <Blinny> NickBoy: With some BIOSes with onboard NICs you need to set them to 'On w/ MBA' instead of just 'On'
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| 13:19 | <NickBoy> i dont have an onboard nic
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| 13:19 | just a pci card
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| 13:20 | <Blinny> Well, whatever you have the problem is in either your NIC or your BIOS configuration.
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| 13:20 | <NickBoy> ive configured my bios correctly
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| 13:20 | and it is a new nic card
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| 13:20 | really strange
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| 13:21 | i dont have a hdd in the client but that shouldnt matter does it?
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| 13:22 | <Blinny> No.
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| 13:22 | But a new NIC doesn't guarantee a bootable NIC
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| 13:22 | <NickBoy> how can i find out
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| 13:22 | <Blinny> (as most people will never use that capability, it is rarely included in the capabilities)
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| 13:22 | Google is your friend. :)
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| 13:23 | <NickBoy> ah ok
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| 13:23 | <Blinny> Also, looking up the specs of the card, or reading the manual.
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| 13:24 | <NickBoy> if not i must install pxe manualy
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| 13:25 | i will check if my card has pxe rom
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| 13:30 | <NickBoy> i think it hasnt a pxe rom installed ....i cant see it anywere in the manual or on internet
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| 13:31 | so i must make a pxe rom boot floppydisk ..but can i also make a pxe boot cd disk?
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| 13:33 | <NickBoy> and how ...because this is the reason that i bought a new nic to prevent to install a pxe rom because i dont know how
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| 13:33 | ive googled arround but cant find out how to make a pxe rom boot cd
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| 13:38 | <cliebow> NickBoy, why not just use etherboot
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| 13:39 | <NickBoy> is that easier
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| 13:39 | is there a howto to make a etherboot bootdisk
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| 13:46 | <NickBoy> http://rom-o-matic.net/ found this site and a made an etherboot rom on an .iso file to burn to cd ....hopefully it works
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| 13:47 | what are the consuquences when ive downloaded and installed the wrong rom ???
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| 13:48 | for a different kind of chipset?
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| 13:53 | <cliebow> prob an rtl8139 huh?
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| 13:54 | <NickBoy> yes ive chosen that one
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| 13:54 | now my pc wont boot to my disk
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| 13:54 | bootdisk is okay check it with virtual pcc
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| 13:54 | van de regen in de drup :P
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| 13:54 | <cliebow> you can get the pci id if necessary to be sure..i never used an iso..alwaysa used the floppy image (or lzrom)
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| 13:55 | <NickBoy> iso works
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| 13:55 | <cliebow> got it then?
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| 13:55 | <NickBoy> yes ive burnend it and it works but my client pc wont boot it from cd
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| 13:55 | but i wil find out why
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| 13:55 | <cliebow> etherboot rocks..
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| 13:55 | <NickBoy> k thx
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| 13:56 | <cliebow> good luck
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| 13:56 | <NickBoy> thx man
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| 13:56 | <cliebow> np
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| 13:56 | <Gadi> NickBoy: try this: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/symbiont/eb_pci.iso?modtime=1152098919&big_mirror=0
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| 13:56 | burn the iso to cd
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| 13:56 | and boot off cdrom
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| 13:57 | <NickBoy> think ive got it already thx anyway i need to fix my cdrom
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| 13:57 | first so i can boot
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| 13:57 | <Gadi> ah, k
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| 14:07 | <cliebow> hi Gadi,,,btw 8~)
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> cliebow: hey
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| 14:08 | funny not to see a bunch of underscores after ur nick ;)
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| 14:11 | <cliebow> guess there is just one of me today
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| 14:11 | i had benn leaving one on at home so i eouldnt miss Any words of wisdom..
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| 14:11 | but i just moved the lappy to gutsy..so lugged it in today
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| 14:13 | <Gadi> ah
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| 14:17 | <bricode> Is there a handy writeup on local apps somewhere?
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| 15:39 | <K_O-Gnom> i try to start tftp over xinetd but it wont start so i got a tftp timeout ..can somebody help me?
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| 15:45 | <Gadi> did you restart the xinetd service?
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| 16:33 | <K_O-Gnom> Gadi: yes i did .. dont work ..
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| 16:33 | <Gadi> K_O-Gnom: can you pastebot your xinetd.d/ file?
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| 16:33 | !pastebot
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| 16:33 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 16:34 | <K_O-Gnom> Gadi: you mean my tftp file in /etc/xinetd.d/
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| 16:34 | <Gadi> yup
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| 16:35 | <K_O-Gnom> mom
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| 16:36 | http://phpfi.com/256493
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| 16:39 | <Gadi> does /tftpboot exist?
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| 16:40 | if you are on debian/ubuntu, that probably needs to change to: /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 16:40 | <K_O-Gnom> Gadi: yes when i start in.tftp manually the WS boots.
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| 16:40 | Gadi: im on gentoo
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| 16:40 | <Gadi> ah, which tftp server are you using?
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| 16:40 | <K_O-Gnom> Gadi: in.tftp
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| 16:41 | <Gadi> that is the name of the executable
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| 16:41 | <K_O-Gnom> don't know how that tftp is called
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| 16:41 | <Gadi> do you know if it is tftpd-hpa or atftpd
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| 16:41 | or some other pkg
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| 16:42 | perhaps you are using a tftp server that cannot be run out of xinetd
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| 16:42 | <K_O-Gnom> Gadi: dont know configured it with this howto http://gentoo-wiki.com/LTSP_Server#sys-apps.2Fxinetd
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| 16:43 | <Gadi> did you: emerge tftp-hpa
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| 16:44 | <K_O-Gnom> no not manually but i think its in the ebuild of ltsp because its merged ..
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| 16:44 | <Gadi> ah, hmm...
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| 16:45 | do you know how to check what packages are installed?
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| 16:45 | er, emerged
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| 16:45 | ;)
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| 16:45 | <K_O-Gnom> Gadi: if i know the name yes :-) if emerge whant to rebuild it its merged :-)
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| 16:46 | <Gadi> heh
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| 16:46 | so, try to emerge tftp-hpa
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| 16:46 | <K_O-Gnom> Gadi: i tryed it and its merged look above
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| 16:46 | <Gadi> ah
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| 16:46 | right
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| 17:00 | <opapo> If I have a 32 bit server can I have ppc clients with ltsp?
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| 17:16 | <Gadi> opapo: you need a ppc chroot and the proper network bootloader
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| 17:16 | but, it can be done
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| 17:20 | <opapo> Gadi: are there instructions somewhere?
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| 17:20 | I am using Ubuntu/Edubuntu
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| 17:23 | <Gadi> hmm... I dont know of one offhand -> are you wanting to boot MACs?
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| 17:24 | <opapo> I work in a school district and we want to use our old MACs a little longer
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| 17:24 | <Gadi> do you have any MACs that you can install ubuntu on (just one)?
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| 17:24 | <opapo> If I had a server trying to serve 40ish power pc MACs I would want a 32 bit or 64 bit server
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| 17:25 | Gadi: I have Ubuntu on 3 ppc macs
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| 17:25 | <Gadi> ah, great
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| 17:25 | the basic steps, i believe, would be:
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| 17:25 | install ltsp-server-standalone on one of those ppc macs
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| 17:26 | <opapo> did that
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| 17:26 | <Gadi> ltsp-build-client
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| 17:26 | <opapo> did that
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| 17:26 | how do I get that to a 32 bit server?
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| 17:26 | <Gadi> then, you can take that chroot, tar it up, and transfer to the 32 bit server
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| 17:26 | and put it in /opt/ltsp/ppc
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| 17:27 | <opapo> good to know
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| 17:27 | Thanks
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| 17:27 | <Gadi> then, you will need yaboot
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| 17:27 | on the server
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| 17:27 | and edit your dhcpd.conf to use yaboot for the ppc client
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| 17:27 | er, clients
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| 17:27 | <Gadi> that is the trickier part, I imagine
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| 17:28 | i dont have direct experience with the yaboot part, but you can glean a lot from what K12LTSP has done
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| 17:29 | <opapo> You have been very helpful
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| 17:29 | Thank you
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| 17:37 | <Gadi> np
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| 17:37 | good luck
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| 18:10 | <ByPasS> I'm trying to add a specific xf86config for certain thinclients using XF86CONFIG_FILE in lts.conf but on boot I get an error, it seems it cant find the specified file
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| 18:10 | any1 using that directive ? from the edubuntu handbook it says to put it in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
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| 18:11 | tried it along with /opt/../etc/X11 and still no luch
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| 18:11 | luck*
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| 18:58 | <jammcq> hey kidz
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| 19:01 | <K_O-Gnom> good night
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| 19:07 | <cliebow> jimmy!!
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| 19:08 | <jammcq> hey chuckster
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| 19:11 | <ByPasS> any1 using the XF86CONFIG_FILE directive in their lts.conf ?
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| 19:11 | <cliebow> Nice to see you...you beento n.y.
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| 19:11 | ?
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| 19:11 | <jammcq> last week
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| 19:11 | I was in NYC for a couple of days
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| 19:12 | <cliebow> trhat's great.i saw you'd been in to ssee Gadi..
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| 19:12 | Scottie is smopkin!!
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| 19:12 | <jammcq> yeah, stopped by his office
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| 19:13 | <cliebow> im just balls to the wall reimaging our stuff.
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