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Channel log from 12 October 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:58 | <warren> Ryan52: you there?
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| 00:58 | <Ryan52> ya
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| 00:59 | <warren> Ryan52: you seem to understand gtk..
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| 00:59 | Ryan52: i'm trying to rearrange the location of stuff in the ldm gtkgreeter
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| 00:59 | <Ryan52> okay
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| 01:00 | <warren> Ryan52: http://people.redhat.com/wtogami/temp/K12linux-loginscreen-mockuprh.png
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| 01:01 | Ryan52: basically, move the hostname to top left, clock to top right, and put another png into the bottom right
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| 01:03 | <Ryan52> okay
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| 01:03 | <warren> is this difficult?
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| 01:04 | <Ryan52> probably not.
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| 01:04 | <warren> sadly I don't know gtk to do this quickly
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| 01:04 | could you possibly help me?
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| 01:04 | <Ryan52> ya
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| 01:04 | <warren> I'm incredibly time crunched.
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| 01:04 | hurray
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| 01:06 | our usability and art people recommended this layout change for ldm
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| 01:06 | I would ship immediately with ldm + patch
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| 01:06 | but we can propose moving the hostname and clock on the upstream list
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| 01:06 | plus an optional .png for the bottom right
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| 01:06 | like if (something.png exists) display it;
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| 01:10 | * warren is under incredible stress | |
| 01:10 | <Ryan52> why?
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| 01:10 | <warren> Ryan52: flying early tuesday morning for 2 weeks in Japan, doing LTSP demos there
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| 01:11 | Ryan52: trying to fix this ldm theme, a GNOME bug and a few more issues before leaving
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| 01:11 | plus I need to pack, prepare huge presentation slides, buy gifts for people there
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| 01:11 | and I'm barely recovered from surgery
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| 01:13 | Ryan52: I suppose you have little reason to help Fedora... but any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
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| 01:15 | Ryan52: is the ldm rearranging problem adequately described?
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| 01:15 | <Ryan52> yes.
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| 01:16 | <warren> might a patch against ldm-2.0.13 be possible by late Sunday?
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| 01:16 | <Ryan52> ya.
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| 01:17 | <warren> cool =)
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| 01:17 | <Ryan52> can you give me the image that you want to put in the bottom corner so I have something to test with?
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| 01:17 | <warren> sure, hold a sec
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| 01:19 | I have to modify it slightly, hold a sec
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| 01:25 | <warren> Ryan52: http://people.redhat.com/wtogami/temp/bottomright.png
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| 01:25 | Ryan52: it looks wrong in the web browser becuase it is white on transparent
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| 01:27 | <poklib> does anybody facing this error "dhcpcd failed, kernel panic"
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| 01:28 | i assume this is onboard nic problem ..is there any solution for this?
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| 01:28 | <Ryan52> warren: okay, thanks.
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| 01:28 | <warren> Ryan52: don't add any padding on the bottom or right edges, rather the artwork maker should adjust their artwork pixels however they want it to line up.
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| 01:28 | Ryan52: (if that makes sense)
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| 01:28 | <Ryan52> yup
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| 01:29 | <warren> thus my image might look "wrong"
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| 01:30 | <johnny> warren, what gtk engine do you use ?
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| 01:30 | in fedora
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| 01:30 | <warren> johnny: uh... I dunno
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| 01:30 | johnny: whatever is default upstream GNOME
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| 01:30 | <johnny> hmm.. i had some problems with that.. but maybe it was some other packaging thing
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| 01:30 | i think i didn't have a default gtk engine
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| 01:54 | <poklib> when i use cisco 2950 my ltsp got worng with error dhcpcd failed
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| 01:54 | but when i use a hub ..everything work fine
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| 01:54 | is there ant config at cisco2950?
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| 01:56 | <johnny> that sounds familiar
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| 01:56 | something about some setting .. i can't recall tho :(
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| 01:57 | <poklib> however some nic can pass through cisco2950
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| 01:58 | <cyberorg> dberkholz, we all use functions from /usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common in our init script
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| 02:01 | <warren> cyberorg: are you using Ubuntu's initramfs-tools?
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| 02:01 | <cyberorg> warren, nope
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| 02:02 | <warren> are you using their ltsp-setup initscripts?
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| 02:03 | pscheie_: just replied to your package review
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| 02:03 | pscheie_: I need a new revision mid-Sunday
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| 02:04 | pscheie_: trying to build the k12linux media late sunday
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| 02:04 | <cyberorg> warren, we just source upstream /usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common in our /etc/init.d/ltsp-client.init script
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| 02:04 | <warren> ok
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| 02:04 | do you push ltsp-client.init to upstream?
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| 02:05 | Absolutely everything in my ltsp.src.rpm is pushed upstream into k12linux directories if nobody else uses it
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| 02:05 | others might not use it, but others might get ideas from it
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| 02:05 | and parts are pushed into *common files
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| 02:08 | <cyberorg> warren, i dont have commit access, here is the script we use, it is modified ubuntu one
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| 02:08 | https://forgesvn1.novell.com/viewsvn/kiwi-ltsp/trunk/suse-ltsp-client/etc/init.d/ltsp-client.init?revision=337&view=markup
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| 02:11 | <warren> OK...
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| 02:12 | You dno't have commit access because most of hte patches you propsed for upstream were rejected
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| 02:12 | as unsuitable
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| 02:13 | The people we have let onboard we do believe to have judgement to know if what they commit is properly designed and unlikely to break others.
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| 02:13 | <cyberorg> warren, i am ok with it, i really dont want to maintain our stuff in two places, forgesvn is good enough, as most of what is in there is only a slight modifications required for suse
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| 02:13 | <warren> and your own tree there further reinforces the idea that kiwi-ltsp is a fork
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| 02:13 | which is fine
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| 02:14 | if it does require only slight changes for suse, then talk to debian/ubuntu
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| 02:14 | that might make your maintenance easier if it is common between you
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| 02:14 | <cyberorg> warren, it is there in /usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common so there is not any extra maintenance involved
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| 03:57 | <sakhi> Hi, I've just installed Ubuntu 8.04 with ltsp, when I boot the client it gives me the following errors pxe-01: file not found and pxe-e3b: tftp error file not found and pxe-mof: exiting pxe rom any ideas on how I could solve this problem?
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| 04:00 | <sakhi> hi alkisg
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| 04:00 | <alkisg> hi sakhi
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| 04:00 | <sakhi> I've just installed Ubuntu 8.04 with ltsp, when I boot the client it gives me the following errors pxe-01: file not found and pxe-e3b: tftp error file not found and pxe-mof: exiting pxe rom any ideas on how I could solve this problem?
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| 04:01 | <alkisg> Did you do ltsp-build-client?
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| 04:01 | <sakhi> yep
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| 04:02 | <alkisg> So, in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/ you have a file named pxelinux.0?
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| 04:04 | <sakhi> I have /opt/ltsp/amd64
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| 04:04 | <alkisg> OK, you have an amd64 server. Are your clients also amd64?
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| 04:05 | If they are i386, then you should do 'sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386'
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| 04:06 | <sakhi> no, the clients are not, only the server it.
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| 04:06 | *is
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| 04:07 | <alkisg> OK, there you have it. So "sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp/amd64" and then run ltsp-build-client --arch i386
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| 04:13 | <sakhi> alkisg: do you perhaps know how big is the ltsp-build-client --arch is?
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| 04:16 | <alkisg> My /opt/ltsp, containing only i386 installation + nbd image, is ~800Mb.
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| 04:17 | <sakhi> ok, now I know why it's taking so long to build
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| 04:20 | <alkisg> It downloads the packages from the internet... --keep-packages makes it faster next time
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| 04:36 | <sakhi> I think I must find ways of creating a repository for that package.
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| 04:40 | <alkisg> You mean caching? There's apt-cacher for that, but --keep-packages also works. Anyway, you aren't supposed to do this often... :)
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| 05:17 | <Ryan52> warren: okay, I think I have it done. just put a file called bottom_right.png in the ldm theme directory. if you think something should be tweaked let me know and I'll fix it. patch: http://bzr.ryan52.info/ltsp/ldm-rearrange-stuff.patch or bzr branch: http://bzr.ryan52.info/ltsp/ldm-rearrange-stuff/
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| 05:17 | <sakhi> alkisg: wow that was long
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| 05:17 | the client is built
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| 05:19 | alkisg: now I have a file named pxelinux.0 in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
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| 05:23 | <alkisg> sakhi, ok, what do the clients do now?
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| 05:23 | <sakhi> alkisg: they are booting from the server.
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| 05:24 | <alkisg> sakhi, ok then! :)
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| 05:24 | <sakhi> alkisg: tell me, if I install the Edubunu add-on cd will that cause any problems?
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| 05:25 | <Ryan52> warren: that reminds me, at the hackfest you were using something like gitk on the bzr repos, what was that?
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| 05:25 | <sakhi> otherwise I'm happy with Ubuntu using ltsp. ;)
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| 05:26 | <alkisg> sakhi, no, no problems, you may either add the add-on cd or just install the same applications with the package manager...
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| 06:40 | <sakhi> kbye
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| 08:15 | <warren> Ryan52: bzr viz
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| 08:15 | Ryan52: bzr-gtk package I think
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| 08:17 | <ogra> or install olive
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| 08:25 | <stgraber> ogra: http://www.stgraber.org/download/ubuntu/ltsp/
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| 08:25 | ogra: one more :) (fixing nbd -persist)
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| 08:30 | <ogra> stgraber, uploaded
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| 08:31 | <stgraber> ogra: thanks
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| 08:31 | * ogra fiddles trying to build libusb-1.0 | |
| 08:34 | <warren> Ryan52: btw, does Debian have this problem? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=444552 ssh Xsession to GNOME has no ConsoleKit, it gets confused, and erroneously shows Shutdown, Hibernate and Reboot options in the logout screen.
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| 08:34 | Ryan52: and menus
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| 08:35 | Ryan52: sweet, your patch seems to be perfect.
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| 08:35 | Ryan52: thanks
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| 08:35 | <ogra> warren, debian uses the same ssh client
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| 08:35 | (as ubuntu)
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| 08:36 | that one has native CK integration
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| 08:36 | <warren> ogra: yes I know
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| 08:36 | ogra: using the openssh patch that upstream rejected
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| 08:36 | ogra: anyhow this exposed a GNOME bug
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| 08:37 | ogra: GNOME finally fixed that bug, but i'm trying to backport it
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| 08:37 | <ogra> not sure upstream rejected that
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| 08:37 | afaik colin didnt find it worth for upstream
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| 08:37 | <warren> yes it did
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| 08:37 | it was rejected for both technical and license reasons
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| 08:37 | <ogra> hmm
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| 08:38 | <warren> the license reasons can be fixed
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| 08:38 | (the new thing linking to openssh needs to be relicensed)
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| 08:38 | they were planning on doing so anyway
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| 08:40 | <ogra> warren, oh, i see debian doesnt have that patch either
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| 08:40 | openssh (1:5.1p1-1ubuntu1) intrepid; urgency=low
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| 08:40 | * Resynchronise with Debian. Remaining changes:
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| 08:40 | - Add support for registering ConsoleKit sessions on login.
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| 08:40 | <warren> for good reason
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| 08:41 | you were a little reckless to go ahead with a patch that upstream openssh rejected on both technical and license grounds
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| 08:41 | <ogra> well, colin is maintainer for both :)
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| 08:41 | and it was his decision to have it in ubuntu
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| 08:41 | (for more than ltsp)
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| 08:42 | in the end its him who has to carry the patch
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| 08:42 | but debian has the Xsession instegration that also covers startx afaik
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| 08:44 | warren, what i would find way more intresting to see would be proper dbus communication at some point
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| 08:44 | we dont have that yet
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| 08:44 | then CK wouldnt matter at all anymore
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| 08:44 | since it would just behave like in gdm
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| 08:45 | <warren> oh
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| 08:45 | <ogra> but dbus still isnt there, it would either need proper TCP protocol it doesnt have or we'd need to hack up ssh/ldm to use the x11 one thats there
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| 08:46 | * ogra personally would prefer TCP through the existing ssh tunnel though | |
| 08:46 | <ogra> i might go for that now that i switched to only do upstream ltsp
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| 08:46 | since thats on my list since we started with v5
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| 08:47 | but we didnt ever have the client side dbus .... with the recent Xorg its there though ...
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| 08:48 | <ogra> that would open a lot of intresting new opportunities for ltspfs as well ... and easily finally get us ltspfs-hal :)
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| 08:55 | <stgraber> ogra: fixing KDE support too, which I know some people at Revolution Linux would really appreciate :) (most of our customers don't want to switch to gnome ...)
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| 08:55 | <ogra> stgraber, pfft, convince them :)
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| 08:55 | if KDE wants support *they* should write ltspfs-hal :)
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| 08:57 | <stgraber> ogra: well, they'll need to switch to KDE4 anyway so maybe I can convince some to switch to gnome (as in both case they'll need training).
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| 08:58 | * ogra was actually joking :) | |
| 08:59 | <stgraber> and KDE4 showed some problems when used on thin clients in our test lab, some kind of X video memory corruption or something similar. Basically all menus and windows appear as black then are refreshed with the right content (only happens the first time the window/menu is shown)
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| 09:00 | <stgraber> ogra: well, I'm preparing a test server that'll have both gnome and kde4 installed, I'm sure some customers will be "hmmm, gnome is looking good too and has complete support for local devices and is a lot faster than KDE4, why shouldn't we use that ?"
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| 09:00 | <ogra> is it faster ?
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| 09:00 | * ogra hasnt tried kde4 | |
| 09:01 | <stgraber> kde4 seems faster when used on a lappy but on the thin clients gnome feels a lot faster than kde
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| 09:04 | <ogra> nice :)
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| 09:04 | <stgraber> kde4 is certainly a good desktop manager, I just have some (big) doubts that it's production ready yet. (we can still wait though, the next update for our customers will be Jaunty)
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| 09:09 | <ogra> well, but you wont get any upstream support anymore for 3.x
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| 09:28 | <petre> morning all
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| 09:33 | <stgraber> ogra: well, they are currently on Hardy, their next scheduled upgrade is Jaunty so we/they'll have to make a choice by then :)
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| 09:36 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:36 | stgraber, btw, why didnt you push the -persist upstream ?
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| 09:36 | we're the only ones using nbd by default anyway
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| 09:37 | <stgraber> ogra: mainly because we don't use upstream's init script at the moment and depending on how others are using nbd, using that change will kill their remote swap space :)
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| 09:37 | <ogra> oh, thats only for swap ?
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| 09:38 | i thought you added it to ltsp_nbd
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| 09:38 | <stgraber> in our case, the harddisk is always /dev/nbd0 as it's the first nbd device created (in the initrd) so I can kill it and reload so -persist works correctly
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| 09:38 | if you are using nfs (or anything else), /dev/nbd0 won't be the harddisk but the swap space and my patch would then kill the swap space and reload it
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| 09:38 | of course of the swap space is being used, a kernel panic is very likely
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| 09:39 | <ogra> indeed
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| 09:39 | <stgraber> I plan to get rid of our own initscripts (these in debian/) for Jaunty and I'll then find a way to push that fix upstream
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| 09:40 | (or have some kind of patch applied on the initscripts similar to what vagrantc does)
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| 09:40 | <ogra> yeah, thats a bit weird, thats the reason i always kept ours ... but up to you how to handle that
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| 09:43 | yay
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| 09:43 | * ogra has his fingerprint sensor working | |
| 09:43 | <ogra> finally
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| 09:43 | <stgraber> having a patch system in place should actually help maintaining the package as I won't have to sync the initscript with upstream (and if we have a big change in the upstream branch, the package will just FTBFS forcing me to update the patch)
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| 09:43 | ogra: fprint ?
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| 09:43 | <ogra> yeah, but the HW is unsupported by the packaged version
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| 09:44 | so i need to compile a completely new stack, starting from libusb
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| 09:44 | <laga_> so much work for an useless piece of hardware? ;)
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| 09:44 | <stgraber> ok, if you have some spare weekends, please make it work with gdm/gnome-screensave/gksudo :)
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| 09:44 | I currently can only use it with gdm and gnome-screensaver and both just hang waiting for the fingerprint (I can't type a password instead for example)
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| 09:44 | <laga_> that should already be possible using PAM
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| 09:45 | <stgraber> (and gksudo just stops working when fprint is enabled)
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| 09:45 | <ogra> laga_, well, its not *that* useless on a tablet pc where you have no kbd in tablet mode to unlock the screensaver
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| 09:45 | yeah, its possible
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| 11:26 | <warren> petre: ping
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| 11:39 | <petre> warren, pong
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| 11:40 | <warren> petre: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=464430 please read the comments, this package remains the only blocker for the next k12linux spin
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| 11:40 | I'm trying to do the spin tomorrow
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| 11:40 | meanwhile I'm trying to fix the GNOME bug
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| 11:41 | actually, i'm trying to do the spin today
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| 11:41 | I might call it K12Linux Terminal Server Release Candidate 1
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| 11:42 | <petre> ok, I'll try to address it today
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| 11:44 | btw, the spec file I used was one I got from eharrison and modified with his help
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| 11:44 | <warren> yes, eharrison never did proper packaging =)
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| 11:44 | <petre> so, no, I didn't start from a scratch spec
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| 11:44 | <warren> install rpmdevtools and look at the spec templates
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| 11:44 | <petre> yes, he mentioned that, that the fedora people usually hated his spec files ;-)
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| 11:45 | <warren> He did 95% of the work but stopped there
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| 11:45 | If he got it into fedora years earlier, other people would have helped him
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| 11:46 | petre: I'll help you if I manage to fix the GNOME bug quickly
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| 11:46 | if you aren't mostly done by then I'll need to take over and just do it, because I really need to finish the media and test it tonight
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| 11:47 | <petre> I just got rpmdevtools installed, looking at the spec files now
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| 11:47 | <DawnLight> hello. i've asked this question in etherboot. perhaps you could help...
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| 11:47 | i mean #etherboot
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| 11:47 | what does 'Permission denied' mean in this protocol?
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| 11:48 | hello. i am trying the command 'imgfetch tftp://192.168.1.2/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0' and it gives me 'Permission denied'. i'm not sure why. perhaps this isn't the correct uri? the ip address is correct and it does use tftp and pxelinux.0 is the name of the file i'm looking for and... i've got 'dhcp-boot=net:pxe,/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0' in my dnsmasq configuration. i think this is it...
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| 11:52 | using another tftp client i get the file ok...
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| 11:54 | <warren> going home
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| 11:54 | brb
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| 13:15 | <Ryan52> warren: I have no clue if debian has that bug, and I have no clue how to figure out if debian has that bug :P
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| 13:31 | <petre_> warren, ping
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| 13:39 | <warren> Ryan52: simply login to GNOME from ldm ssh
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| 13:39 | Ryan52: Logout and see if Shutdown, Reboot buttons are there
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| 13:39 | petre_: pong
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| 13:43 | <petre> brb
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| 13:59 | <Ryan52> warren: it doesn't show the shutdown button. for me, I have to use gdm for it to show the shutdown button.
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| 14:00 | <petre> warren, in the spec file, for things like BuildRequires, where I have nothing to add, should I just leave them blank or delete them?
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| 14:12 | <warren> Ryan52: ok, ogra mentioned that debian has some kind of consolekit from the Xsession, we don't here.
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| 14:12 | petre: delete
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| 14:13 | <petre> warren, I'm not giving up, but looking at the clock and the progress I'm making, I don't know if I can have this done in time for you this afternoon.
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| 14:21 | warren, to use the macros for setting paths, do I do something like this:
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| 14:22 | %dir %{_sysconfdir}/skel
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| 14:22 | ?
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| 14:22 | is that the correct syntax?
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| 14:30 | <warren> yes
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| 14:30 | petre: just think how useful these skills will be
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| 14:30 | petre: for your future RPM packages that you maintain
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| 14:30 | =)
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| 14:31 | petre: in an unusual package like this where there is nothing to build, I typically include in the %build section
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| 14:31 | echo "nothing to build"
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| 14:31 | or something like that
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| 14:33 | <petre> yes, the experience is valuable; and I'm getting there
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| 14:33 | I just don't want to mislead you on my progress, plus I've got a deadline, as I have guests coming for supper and need to vacuum the house & shower yet
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| 14:35 | should %prep & %setup be handled the same way as %build? i.e., echo "nothing to..."
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| 14:43 | warren, what is the URL tag for? What do I assign to it? The URL for the source files?
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| 14:44 | <warren> petre: you probably want %prep which contains a %setup line
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| 14:44 | which only unpacks Source0
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| 14:45 | <warren> petre: URL is the homepage of the project this package is from
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| 14:45 | petre: use http://k12linux.org (our project will be there soon)
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| 14:53 | <petre> warren, one does the value of BuildRoot matter as long as it works?
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| 14:53 | <petre> warren, BuildRoot is different in the spec file I got from Eric,
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| 14:54 | but the path for BuildRoot in the sample spec file doesn't seem to work
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| 14:55 | <petre> never mind, that's not it
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| 14:59 | warren, as mentioned, I gotta vacuum & shower; I'll try to get back to it in about an hour
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| 15:23 | <warren> petre: I seriously need a nap. i'll be back in a few hours.
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| 16:15 | <jomo> hello - new to this irc chating...
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| 16:17 | is anyone using k12 ltps ? just installed fedora 9 and will start installing 5.1.22 - have a school lab that wants to try it
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| 16:45 | <ogra> mmmm, olive is lovely
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| 16:46 | <stgraber> ogra: hey, just so that you are aware. I found a critical bug in iTalc. The last patch I applied that makes iTalc work fine with LTSP also breaks the demo mode for standard setups ...
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| 16:46 | I'm working on a fix now.
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| 16:47 | <ogra> oki
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| 16:47 | just ping if you have something ready
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| 16:47 | <stgraber> (I asked on Planet for testing but got no answer or bug report ...)
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| 16:48 | <ogra> though i might not upload anything tonight, finishing a johnnie walker with RichEd here ;)
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| 16:48 | <petre> jomo, if you're just starting out with ltsp, you might want to try k12ltsp-5el
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| 16:48 | <ogra> and playing with olive ... its such a cool bzr UI .... last time i looked it was stll rather unusable
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| 16:49 | <stgraber> well, I'll be out soon anyway and iTalc is quite slow at compiling. I hope to have a fix tomorrow afternoon (your time).
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| 16:49 | <petre> it's ltsp 4.2, but it's solid and easy to install
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| 16:49 | <ogra> and unsupported
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| 16:49 | and has security holes
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| 16:49 | <petre> ltsp 5 on fedora 9 is still a work in progress
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| 16:49 | <ogra> i heard its working pertty well
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| 16:50 | <ogra> in any case it doesnt have a 3 year old Xorg or kernel and gets security updates
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| 16:50 | and is actively maintained
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| 16:50 | <jomo> ok - I'll look that up... is that still using Fedora ?
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| 16:51 | <ogra> its being ported to fedora since 6 months, should be in a pertty usable condition in FC9
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| 16:52 | <petre> it's centos 5
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| 16:52 | which will be supported for some years yet
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| 16:52 | patch-wise, any way
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| 16:53 | also, client requirements of ltsp 4.2 are less than for ltsp 5
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| 16:53 | <johnny> yeah hacks into petre's thin clients
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| 16:54 | * johnny * | |
| 16:54 | <petre> johnny, it's a school lab
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| 16:54 | <ogra> johnny, why that effor, just take screenshots and keylogs from the network traffic
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| 16:55 | <petre> jomo, how old are the students?
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| 16:56 | <jomo> this is an elementary school
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| 16:57 | <petre> jomo, right, so ignore johnny
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| 16:57 | <jomo> so ages are around 10 to 12
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| 16:57 | <petre> brb
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| 16:57 | <jomo> k
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| 16:59 | <ogra> oh my ...
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| 16:59 | yeah, ignore the actual active developers
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| 16:59 | <stgraber> hmm, the more I look at ica the less I understand how it was designed ...
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| 17:00 | when I'm trying to get the IP of an incoming TCP connection I get 127.0.0.1 :)
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| 17:00 | <stgraber> (making the client to connect to 127.0.0.1 for the demo, which for obvious reason can't work)
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| 17:03 | so that's 5th italc build with even more debuging info, let's hope I can understand where that 127.0.0.1 comes from ...
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| 17:03 | <petre> ogra, I just meant that I don't think the security of the clients from 4.2 is an issue in an elementary classroom
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| 17:04 | <jomo> no security issues... the lab would be on it's own internal segment....
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| 17:04 | <ogra> well, 10 - 12 is the age where they start becoming script kiddies :)
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| 17:05 | <jomo> yes - right now... all they do is hack the machines
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| 17:05 | <stgraber> I started a Debian fork when I was 13 and did C when I was 11 (just for your information)
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| 17:05 | <jomo> they walk in - download screen savers - find ways to be "smarter than...."
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| 17:06 | * ogra made his first hack attempts with 12 as well | |
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| 17:09 | <jomo> so try to use the k12ltsp-5el - and not the 5.1.22 for fedora 9 ?
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| 17:14 | <petre> jomo, have a look at it anyway
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| 17:14 | jomo, it all installs 'automatically'
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| 17:14 | good for folks new to ltsp
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| 17:15 | though ltsp 5 is better for the future
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| 17:15 | local apps, etc.
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| 17:15 | <ogra> since three years
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| 17:15 | ...
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| 17:16 | <alkisg> ogra, have you had any success with greek ldm translation? :)
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| 17:16 | (just a reminder... :P)
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| 17:16 | <ogra> i must admit i havent looked yet, i dont get why it wouldnt work since translations are applied automatically
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| 17:17 | <jomo> well thank you for the information, I will look at it tomorrow-
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| 17:17 | <ogra> i promise i'll do a ldm day next week, go thought the bugs and chek the translatio status before next release
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| 17:17 | <alkisg> I think no one has translated ldm in Ubuntu, so there must be something wrong with gettext in clients...
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| 17:17 | <ogra> rather with the locale settings
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| 17:18 | <alkisg> but in shell I do get translated messages
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| 17:18 | <ogra> there are a ton translations in the package we inherit from debian since two releases
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| 17:18 | <alkisg> Anyway, it's way over my head, you have a look if you have time! :)
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| 17:18 | <ogra> you could try to add a "export LANG=<put your lang here>" in the screen.d script
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| 17:19 | <alkisg> No, LANG is OK
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| 17:19 | <ogra> but by default that should be seeded by ltsp-build-client from the server locale already
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| 17:20 | <ogra> as i said, i'll check before RC comes out on thursday
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| 17:20 | <alkisg> I'll test again tomorrow with the latest changes stgrabber uploaded
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| 17:20 | ogra, thanks!
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| 17:20 | <ogra> stgraber didnt do any gettext related changes
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| 17:21 | it might be that launchpad strips them at build time, i need to check that, we probably need to pull a langpack in at install time
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| 17:21 | <stgraber> launchpad does strip all .po at build time
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| 17:21 | they are then uploaded in the langpacks but I'm not sure how often that's done
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| 17:22 | <ogra> i thought i had added the necessary bits to the package to avoid that
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| 17:22 | <jomo> be right back
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| 17:22 | <stgraber> a way of testing that is to rebuild the package yourself, it'll then include all the .po
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| 17:22 | <ogra> there are some magic commands to keep them in the package
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| 17:22 | which would actually the way we should do it
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| 17:22 | <stgraber> ogra: last filelist diff I did between my own ltsp packages and the ones in Ubuntu showed that all .po were stripped from the Ubuntu's one
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| 17:22 | <alkisg> ogra, stgraber, I also didn't see ldm.mo in the clients, I had to put it there manually
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| 17:22 | <ogra> oh, ok, thats a packaging error then
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| 17:23 | we should keep them in the package so we dont need to pull in langpacks
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| 17:23 | <alkisg> But even so (ltsp-update-image), again ldm wasn't showing greek
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| 17:24 | <ogra> stgraber, we should do the same for ltsp-client
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| 17:24 | (and -core)
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| 17:24 | <stgraber> right
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| 17:24 | <alkisg> I think ldm is an old version, e.g. in my laptop now I have 2:2.0.12-0ubuntu1
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| 17:24 | <ogra> i have to ask pitti again what the magic words were
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| 17:24 | <alkisg> no no, forget that
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| 17:24 | <stgraber> so I can also implement my LDM_LOCALE thing parameter :)
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| 17:25 | (it tends to be useless if the locales aren't installed ...)
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| 17:25 | <ogra> well, we run locale-gen at client build time
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| 17:25 | but if the .mo's are missing that wont help indeed
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| 17:27 | <stgraber> 7th iTalc debug build in progress ... and I still have no clue what's going on. My functions are executed correctly, the logic is fine but the values aren't (especially one that I considered as being reliable, the socket remote IP ...)
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| 17:29 | <alkisg> ogra, if I put ldm.mo and run "gettext -d ldm 'Username'" in the clients, I do see the greek translation, so locale's OK, but still ldm doesn't show Greek. I don't know what else could be wrong...
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| 17:29 | <ogra> the .mo file isnt in the package
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| 17:30 | <alkisg> I made it myself, so I put it there! :)
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| 17:30 | (in the chroot)
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| 17:31 | <ogra> right
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| 17:31 | <alkisg> anyway, thanks, if you have time take a look at it.
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| 17:33 | stgraber, ica installs in 5900, so if someone also enables remote desktop sharing in gnome there's port collision. Can't that port be changed by default?
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| 17:35 | (I'm not complaining, just trying to help)
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| 17:37 | <stgraber> alkisg: you can change the port: ica -ivsport <port>
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| 17:38 | alkisg: I don't think there's any plan to change it by default though
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| 17:38 | <alkisg> stgraber, yeah, I know, not for me, I just think it'll be easier for other users...
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| 17:38 | stgraber, can ica be also used by vnc viewers?
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| 17:38 | <stgraber> well, other users should really not have two x11vnc running on the same computer. I'm not even sure what'll happen if both vino (x11vnc based) and ica (also x11vnc based) run on the same display
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| 17:39 | alkisg: you need the private key as the connection is encrypted but other than that, yes you should
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| 17:39 | it mainly depends if the client you are using can use ssl keys
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| 17:39 | <alkisg> stgraber, with the default ltsp setup + edubuntu addon, you get both of them...
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| 17:39 | that's what most teacher have
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| 17:40 | <stgraber> and that's build number 8 going to the builder ... (if I'm right, I'll really need to talk with Tobias as there's something completely wrong :))
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| 17:40 | alkisg: in a standard ltsp setup, ica won't use 5800
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| 17:41 | *5900
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| 17:41 | <jomo> JOIN
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| 17:41 | <alkisg> ??? I do have a standard ltsp setup, and it uses 5900
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| 17:41 | <stgraber> are you using ica-launcher to start it ?
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| 17:41 | <alkisg> No, as a matter of fact I haven't had time to use it in intrepid
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| 17:41 | Just installed it, and ps aux|grep ica shows 5900
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| 17:42 | <stgraber> ica-launcher is supposed to be in hardy, though it's been improved a lot in Intrepid
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| 17:42 | this one should give you an unique port in LTSP setups
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| 17:42 | (but the recommended setup is to have ica installed in the chroot)
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| 17:42 | <alkisg> ica -noshm -isdport 5800 -ivsport 5900 is what I have with italc from the intrepid repositories
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| 17:42 | <stgraber> and that's on a thin client ?
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| 17:43 | <alkisg> No, on the server
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| 17:43 | <stgraber> ok, on a thin client the ports will be different
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| 17:43 | <alkisg> Ehm, I was talking about enabling gnome remote desktop on the server :)
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| 17:43 | Anyway, don't let me take your time!!! Thanks!
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| 17:43 | <stgraber> 10000+<last byte of IP> and 11000+<last byte of IP>
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| 17:44 | <stgraber> ok, so you want both ica and vino on the server console ?
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| 17:44 | that's indeed not possible, you should choose which one you want in this case
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| 17:44 | <alkisg> Yes, but It's a normal intrepid installation, not a server one
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| 17:45 | OK, as I said it's not for me, I was thinking about the other teachers here. Me, I'll just use ica as a vnc server now that you told me how.
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| 17:47 | <jomo> ok.... new-user question.... trying to verify my registration, NickServ keeps telling me to log in first.... how do I "log in"
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| 17:56 | <ogra> stgraber, export NO_PKG_MANGLE=1 :)
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| 17:56 | in debian/rules
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| 17:57 | that should keep the .mo files in the package
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| 18:00 | <stgraber> ok, I'm a bit busy with iTalc at the moment but I can do that tomorrow for ltsp and ldm, the only problem is that I can't check that it worked until the package is in the archives :(
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| 18:01 | <stgraber> ok, the export coming from cjwatson, we can consider it reliable enough to directly push it to the archives :)
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| 18:01 | whorst case it's the same as we currently have so ...
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| 18:02 | <ogra> i can do that quickly for both packages
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| 18:02 | <stgraber> that would be great
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| 18:03 | (8th build of iTalc in progress, let's hope it's the good one)
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| 18:07 | <ogra> i think i'll do it for ldm only for now ... for ltsp-server it somewhat makes sense to use the langpack ...
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| 18:07 | not sure what to do about ltsp-client(-core) though, do we really need it ?
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| 18:08 | <stgraber> I'm not even sure we use gettext outside ldm in the chroot
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| 18:08 | <warren> damn
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| 18:08 | <ogra> well, debian does
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| 18:08 | <warren> there's a new bug in ldm-2.0.13
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| 18:08 | <ogra> thats where the translations come from
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| 18:08 | warren, what is it ?
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| 18:09 | <warren> focus is not on the text box automatically
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| 18:09 | the user has to click on it
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| 18:09 | <ogra> meh
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| 18:09 | <warren> Ryan52: ping
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| 18:09 | <ogra> trivial fix though
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| 18:09 | <warren> do you know how?
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| 18:09 | <Ryan52> warren: pong
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| 18:09 | <ogra> there is a grab_focus property for gtk widgets
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| 18:09 | we used to set that
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| 18:09 | <warren> Ryan52: I just noticed that ldm-2.0.13 has a new problem, the login textbox no longer has focus by default, the user has to click on it
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| 18:10 | * ogra wonders if warren secretly started using a WM for ldm :P | |
| 18:10 | <warren> I hope not
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| 18:10 | <ogra> :)
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| 18:10 | <warren> is anyone else using ldm-2.0.13 right now?
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| 18:11 | <ogra> we have it in ubuntu, but i doubt many people have built clients with it yet
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| 18:11 | <stgraber> I don't remember having to click on the field to login
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| 18:11 | <Ryan52> kc8pxy: stalker!
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| 18:11 | <stgraber> I can try that though as I'm connect using VNC to a thin client running it
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| 18:12 | * ogra just updates his VM to a recent intrepid, but i fear that will take half the night | |
| 18:12 | <ogra> its quite outdated
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| 18:13 | <Ryan52> warren: I'll fix it in a few minutes...
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| 18:13 | <warren> Ryan52: could this be caused by your new patch?
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| 18:13 | <kc8pxy> Ryan52: hehe
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| 18:14 | <stgraber> warren: focus is set here
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| 18:15 | <kc8pxy> do my client and server arch'
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| 18:15 | s need to match?
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| 18:15 | <ogra> no, your server can be amd64
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| 18:15 | <kc8pxy> cool
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| 18:15 | <ogra> ues --arch i386 as option to ltsp-build-client
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| 18:16 | ltsp-build-client --extra-help gives you more possible options
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| 18:17 | <kc8pxy> ok
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| 18:18 | Ryan52: looking to build a ltsp for the shop, for installs, disktest, and printme.. that's similar to what you guys do, yes?
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| 18:19 | <Ryan52> kc8pxy: printme runs on the installed ubuntu system.
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| 18:19 | but otherwise, yes
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| 18:19 | <kc8pxy> i have yet to get the keys thing down, and printme properly pre-seeded.
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| 18:20 | so i have been kludging an extras install, then reboot, so it will actually pop me up a firefox :)
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| 18:22 | <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowtoWriteLTSP5Plugins we have a kiosk plugin we use in ubuntu for that (see the bottom)
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| 18:29 | <stgraber> ogra: hmm, I found the issue, now let's try to understand why it's happening :) Worst case I can just write my patch differently to workaround the bug.
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| 18:30 | (so I at least have a backup solution, which is always a good thing that close to a release :))
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| 18:30 | <ogra> yeah
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| 18:30 | and its not LTS :) you dont have to touch it over and over again
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| 18:31 | * ogra really hates the new SRU policy for hardy | |
| 18:31 | <warren> why
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| 18:31 | <Ryan52> warren: updated patch in the same place as before (bzr.ryan52.info/bzr/ltsp/ldm-rearrange-stuff.patch)
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| 18:31 | <warren> The requested URL /bzr/ltsp/ldm-rearrange-stuff.patch was not found on this server.
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| 18:32 | <ogra> warren, because i have tou regard all the patches all the time if i add some fix
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| 18:32 | <warren> ogra: you mean you could sneak in other fixes before?
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| 18:32 | <Ryan52> warren: http://bzr.ryan52.info/ltsp/ldm-rearrange-stuff.patch
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| 18:32 | <ogra> warren, i sneak in fixes and patches all the time between freezes
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| 18:33 | <Ryan52> I can't figure out why it worked right before. I guess it was just by luck...
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| 18:34 | <ogra> the thing is that they are usually parts that would validate a new upstream if i pushed them upstream, but its a hell lot of paperwork and QA involved to get new upstreams in, so i stay with the patches which gets annoying over time
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| 18:34 | it just stacks up
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| 18:36 | <ogra> warren, the proper way would be to take a snapshot of upstream and only backport ubuntu fixes from the upstram branch then, thats something to do for next LTS so one can maintain a pseudo upstream branch for LTS releases ... normal releases simply dont get as much attention for updates since the maintainer is focused in the next release
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| 18:37 | thats just LTS specific ... and new with hardy
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| 18:38 | <warren> Ryan52: ok, due to my time crunch i will not attempt to argue hte merits of that patch on the list for about 3 weeks
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| 18:39 | Ryan52: I think the clock and hostname moving part makes it look better
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| 18:39 | Ryan52: if you want to suggest it on the list go ahead
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| 18:40 | * ogra wont shuffle elemnts right before release | |
| 18:40 | <Ryan52> warren: ok, ya, I agree. I'll email the list sometime later today...
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| 18:40 | <ogra> ubuntu is in UI freeze, debian is frozen as well
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| 18:41 | since a month or two
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| 18:41 | <warren> if that's the case, then add the patch upstream after the freeze
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| 18:42 | but you're not pulling from it anyway right?
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| 18:42 | <ogra> we just did
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| 18:42 | and i oppose a change that makes it look different from gdm 2.20
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| 18:43 | which the current look resembles
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| 18:43 | <warren> doens't the new gdm not look like gdm 2.20 at all?
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| 18:43 | <ogra> after freeze means not before november for ubuntu and probably january for debian, depending when they release
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| 18:44 | i have no clue how the new gdm looks like, got a url to a screenshot ?
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| 18:44 | it looked the same the last four years for me
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| 18:44 | with slightly different themes
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| 18:44 | i.e. wallapapers
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| 18:44 | <warren> too busy
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| 18:45 | <ogra> for ubuntu i want it onsistent with the default desktop
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| 18:45 | *consistent
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| 18:45 | and i guess vagrant prefers a consistent look for debian as well
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| 18:46 | no idea what gentoo uses
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| 18:47 | but if shuffling items is/becomes a requirement we should start thinking about a theme engine (as much as i hate that since it makes the code bloated and complicated)
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| 18:52 | <kc8pxy> gentoo has no default dm, IIRC,(speaks as a gentoo user) it's all user config. i like the emergence gdm theme :)
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| 18:53 | <ogra> kc8pxy, which gdm version does gentoo use is the question :)
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| 18:54 | as ldm tries to resemble gdm look and feel
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| 18:54 | <stgraber> ogra: hmm, I just rewrote my entire patch, it's now a lot smaller and affecting only one component of iTalc. Let's hope it'll do the job. (Will only test it tomorrow, I'm out now)
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| 18:55 | <kc8pxy> +
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| 18:56 | <ogra> http://live.gnome.org/GDM/Screenshots urgh
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| 18:56 | thats horrible
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| 18:57 | <kc8pxy> 2.20.7 is the most current in portage for x86
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| 18:58 | <ogra> ubuntu has 2.20.8 ... and debian something way older
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| 18:59 | ah, no, they have .7 as well
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| 19:01 | <kc8pxy> unfortunately, the expectation of debian having older packages, is one of the key reasons i moved to gentoo.
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| 19:01 | then again, that was back in the days of potato
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| 19:01 | <ogra> heh
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| 19:02 | * ogra had the same issues but preferred to learn .deb packaging to have his own package instead :) | |
| 19:02 | <kc8pxy> i had potato on a 486 playing router/firewall :)
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| 19:07 | <C|cci0> hi there
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| 19:08 | <warren> petre: ok, gnome bug is fixed, your package is the only blocker, how go things?
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| 19:08 | petre: is the latest version of the HTML content at a URL? I could review the content
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| 19:08 | <C|cci0> just a couple of question cause I had no luck finding info about... I'm using LTSP 5 on Ubuntu/Edubuntu
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| 19:09 | I've got 20 HP T5135 thin clients
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| 19:09 | using openchrome driver (I think cause of autodetect) when I launch some apps fullscreen clients crash
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| 19:10 | using Vesa they don't but this way I can't get Wide 1440x900 screen working...
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| 19:10 | I tried a lot of X_params... xramperc and so on... without luck...
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| 19:11 | I was thinking to disable DRI (if enabled by default) as told in a post somewhere on the internet, but... with ltsp5 how could I do that?
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| 19:24 | <warren> petre: sorry, I'm just going ahead and making a package, i'm out of time
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| 19:54 | <warren> petre: I'm spinning what I hope will be "Release Candidate 1"
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| 19:55 | <jammcq> warren: hey, feeling better?
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| 19:55 | <warren> jammcq: progressively
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| 19:55 | <jammcq> well, that's to be expected. at least it's not progressively worse
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| 19:56 | <warren> with the horribly painful cauterization of the main bleeding vessel on Thursday, I have been able to finally safely flush with lots of saline
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| 19:56 | Then I realized that my left sinus cavities were completely clogged for weeks and weird colored and smelling ooze was coming out slowly
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| 19:56 | so I busted it open with Vicks Sinex (that stuff is awesome, I learned about it in Germany)
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| 19:57 | and flooded it with lots of pressurized saline
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| 19:57 | Then a whole bunch of garbage came out
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| 19:57 | including lots of dead tissue
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| 19:57 | in pink sheets that looks exactly like pickled ginger that you might get at a sushi restaurant
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| 19:58 | I am thinking about blogging about the entire ordeal
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| 19:58 | but the descriptions are really gross
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| 19:58 | <jammcq> yeah, i'm grossed out already
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| 19:59 | <warren> but dude, my nose has NEVER drained so easily
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| 19:59 | <jammcq> doesn't exactly make me want to go out and get sushi right now :)
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| 19:59 | <warren> it has literally been almost competely blocked my entire life
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| 19:59 | <jammcq> does that mean you'll be less susceptable to sinus infections?
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| 19:59 | <warren> yes
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| 19:59 | <jammcq> cool
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| 19:59 | I get one or two every year
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| 19:59 | <warren> and after it fully heals, I wont be blowing my nose every 5 minutes
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| 19:59 | but dude
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| 20:00 | total expenses ... $15k
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| 20:00 | <jammcq> paid by insurance?
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| 20:00 | <warren> plus a month of being mostly useless and miserable
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| 20:00 | jammcq: the doctor's office is fighting with insurance now
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| 20:00 | not my problem yet
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| 20:00 | <jammcq> heh
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| 20:01 | <warren> even if I had to pay $15k out of pocket it would be totally worth it for my quality of life going forward
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| 20:01 | <jammcq> sure
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| 20:02 | <warren> I did lose 4x that much on the stock market in the last week
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| 20:02 | =)
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| 20:02 | <jammcq> yeah, it's been pretty brutal
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| 20:02 | <warren> I'm surprisingly not panicked about this.
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| 20:04 | jammcq: most of that was because I was gambling on energy stocks
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| 20:04 | lost all my gains in the last 2 years on energy gambling
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| 20:30 | * warren testing new K12linux spin | |
| 20:41 | <petre> warren, that's fine, I was expecting it, frankly, since I've had guests for the past four hours
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| 20:43 | <warren> petre: you already did most of the important work in creating the docs and screenshots
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| 20:43 | petre: I wouldn't have been able to do htat part
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| 20:43 | petre: btw, what is your role? you work at a school?
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| 20:43 | <petre> several roles, actually
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| 20:44 | role 1: ltsp zealot & advocate to anyone who will listen
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| 20:44 | I've installed k12ltsp at a few schools and some small offices
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| 20:44 | that's all volunteer work
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| 20:45 | I also teach linux admin at the local technical college, just as an adjunct instructor
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| 20:45 | <warren> oh
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| 20:45 | <petre> it's fun and I like it, but it takes more time than I would think
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| 20:45 | <warren> where do you live?
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| 20:45 | <petre> Minneapolis
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| 20:46 | <warren> ok cool
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| 20:46 | <petre> my day job is as a linux admin of sorts for a company called VisionShare
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| 20:46 | we provide encrypted communication services across the internet between medical providers and medical payers, primarily Medicare
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| 20:47 | I've been a Unix admin/general Unix admin for about ten years, much of that spent pushing linux
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| 20:50 | <warren> testing live image now
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| 20:51 | <petre> I keep trying to figure out a way to make ltsp part of my job so I could devote more time to it but haven't managed to so far
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| 20:51 | warren, is this new spin a live image?
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| 20:52 | <warren> yes
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| 20:52 | <petre> i.e., meant to be run from usb/dvd
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| 20:52 | <warren> petre: want to handle the announcement of this new live image if testing goes well?
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| 20:52 | petre: basically make it like my previous announcement
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| 20:52 | petre: to the appropriate lists
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| 20:53 | <petre> sure; what's new that's worth mentioning?
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| 20:53 | <warren> uh...
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| 20:53 | lots of bug fixes mainly
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| 20:53 | <petre> the new login screen
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| 20:53 | <warren> yes
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| 20:53 | petre: make sure to thank Maureen Duffy for the new artwork
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| 20:53 | <petre> will do
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| 20:54 | <warren> petre: and yourself for the new documentation
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| 20:54 | <petre> such as it is,
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| 20:54 | <warren> * Aug 24th, 2008: ltsp-5.1.22 released. This update introduces automatic NBI and ELF (Etherboot) client support, NBD root option, NBD swap by default actually works, and more. See the announcement for more details.
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| 20:54 | * Aug 10th, 2008: Fedora 9 Live LTSP Server Beta 1 is released. This is the quickest and easiest way to both demo and install Fedora LTSP5. Read the announcement for details.
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| 20:54 | looks like the optional NBD root (disabled by default), NBI and ELF (automatically handled)
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| 20:55 | <petre> people like you contribute in bucketloads; my contribution is measured in teaspoons
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| 20:55 | <warren> hey, if you can handle the announcement, that saves me time
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| 20:55 | especially since I'll be on a plane for 28 hours
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| 20:55 | Tuesday morning 6am
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| 20:55 | ugh...
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| 20:55 | <petre> yes, but what a great adventure!
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| 20:56 | <warren> perhaps begin writing up a draft announcement?
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| 20:56 | I'll be able to suggest things to add until tomorrow night
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| 20:56 | and the upload of the image should be ready tomorrow morning
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| 20:58 | petre: you can start with the format I used in the last announcement
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| 20:59 | <petre> yes, I was just looking for that in my mail archives
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| 20:59 | <warren> Peter, Minister of Propanda, K12Linux Project
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| 21:01 | <petre> warren, heh, that's funnier than you'll ever know (maybe I'll tell you about it at BTS)
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| 21:01 | <warren> oops
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| 21:01 | Propaganda
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| 21:01 | damn
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| 21:01 | the image is broken
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| 21:01 | I have to disable selinux on my laptop before creating it
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| 21:02 | here goes building the image again...
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| 21:02 | brb shower
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| 21:24 | this is going very slowly
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| 21:24 | I might fall asleep before testing it
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| 21:24 | oh well
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| 21:24 | good nigh
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| 21:28 | <petre> warren, what will the URL for the image be?
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| 21:28 | <warren> petre: like the old URL but "rc1" instead of beta2
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| 21:28 | er
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| 21:28 | beta1
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| 21:28 | <petre> k
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| 21:33 | <petre> warren, any chance we could have the livecd-iso-to-disk script at the same URL as the image?
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| 21:33 | Would make it easier for people to not have to mount the image to get the script
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| 21:33 | although it should still be included in the image
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| 21:34 | <warren> petre: remind me in e-mail
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| 21:34 | ok, crashing
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| 21:34 | <petre> ok
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| 21:35 | email to list or to you directly?
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| 21:35 | <warren> list
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| 21:35 | <petre> ok
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| 21:53 | warren, I've got an announcement about halfway banged out
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| 21:53 | I'll send you something tomorrow night
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| 23:27 | <lutan> hi, can you help me with soething please?
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| 23:31 | Im an engineering student, and i would like to do some traffic studies about in a ltsp server processes
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| 23:31 | do you know if the is any paper about it?
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| 23:33 | (about ltsp server processes)*
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| 23:35 | <johnny> no
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| 23:35 | ltsp server processes are regular server processes
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| 23:35 | you can probably find that info
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| 23:35 | X, ssh
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| 23:35 | and then nfs or nbd (on ubuntu)
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| 23:36 | lutan, they are just glorified xterms with some glue to make sound and local devices work
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| 23:37 | so.. if you were to run an X session tunneld over ssh.. you would be able to estimate the traffic generally of ltsp
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| 23:37 | then you'd just need to run pulseaudio to forward the sound..
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| 23:39 | there's a bit more when it comes to running apps locally.. but the biggie is just tunneled X
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| 23:39 | err running devices locally..
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| 23:39 | obviously running apps locally will generate alot less traffic..
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| 23:39 | even though the apps would be stored remotely.. and accessed via a local sshfs mount
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| 23:39 | lutan, does that answer your question?
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| 23:43 | <lutan> johnny, thats true but i would like to do those studies to see how the server run when the number of users grow
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| 23:45 | <johnny> nobody has done any study.. but i'm sure folks with large installs can give you some evidence
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| 23:45 | but now is a bad time for that
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| 23:45 | come back during the workday of the USA and europe
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| 23:45 | <lutan> and then get a conclution about how to dimension efficiently a ltsp server when you know the number of users who will run in the server
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| 23:45 | <johnny> oh
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| 23:45 | that is already done somewhat
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| 23:46 | the ubuntu docs recommend a certain amount of ram
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| 23:46 | per client
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| 23:46 | but not traffic yet
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| 23:46 | i don't think
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| 23:46 | <lutan> i have been googling and i found something about 50MB for user, that right no?
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| 23:46 | <johnny> something like that
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| 23:47 | the official ltsp docs are finally coming together
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| 23:47 | bits and pieces from ubuntu handbook and other sources are being combined and worked on
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| 23:47 | hopefully we'll see their fruits soon
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| 23:47 | <lutan> ohh thats really nice
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| 23:47 | <johnny> i think you're looking at a relatively solved problem tho
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| 23:47 | prolly not worth doign any studies
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| 23:48 | then again
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| 23:48 | maybe i just don't have that kinda bent
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| 23:48 | come back during the times i mentioned
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| 23:48 | and other folks might have something to say
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| 23:48 | the people who actually deploy ltsp in bigger environnents will likely be around
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| 23:49 | as well as those who who are developing on it
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| 23:49 | <lutan> thanks johnny, i will come back during those times
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| 23:50 | <johnny> i'd suggest sometime around 1700 gmt maybe?
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| 23:50 | of course.. you can just idle here, and watch when the conversation picks up
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| 23:50 | leave your client on
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| 23:51 | lutan, my ltsp install is only 4 clients.. so you won't see any good numbers from me :)
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| 23:51 | <lutan> hehehe
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| 23:52 | wich distro are you using?
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| 23:52 | <johnny> ubuntu
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| 23:52 | but i do the ltsp devel for gentoo
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| 23:52 | kinda helped me learn how the pieces worked internally
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| 23:54 | <lutan> nice, i would like to do that study because i really enjoy working for the community, and i want to learn all a can about ltsp
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| 23:58 | johnny, thanks a lot for the help, i will try to be here later
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| 23:58 | <johnny> lutan, just leave your client online
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| 23:58 | if possible
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| 23:59 | <lutan> no , i would like to do that but this is not my pc.
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