IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 2 September 2013 (all times are UTC)
| 00:11 | <bennabiy> Well, I am glad things are totally clearly undecided!
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| 00:56 | <Enslaver> Question, what arg can i append to the kernel command line to specify the server's ip? can i do something like ltsp_server=192.168.1.5 ?
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| 02:00 | <javiercito53> Hello, I'm trying to enable devices on client machines. I have tried this: http://bootpolish.net/pageloader.pl?page=home_howto_ltsp_ltsp5localdevices But command "#udevadm info -q all -n sda1" is nothing like the example. Devices don't mount. Can anyone help me?
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| 02:06 | <javiercito53> Can anyone help me to debug my LOCALDEV, usb is not being mounted on the client machine. When I connect it, it is recognized according to /var/log/syslog but, It never gets mounted. Any advice?
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| 10:21 | <Zaga> hi all!
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| 10:21 | has anyone had problems with an intel video card on thin clients, with dual head?
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| 10:29 | <Hyperbyte> Zaga, sure.
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| 10:29 | !ask
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| 10:29 | <ltsp> ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 13:04 | <Zaga> is there any solution to make the display work without the laptop screen being cut on the bottom?
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| 13:06 | <bennabiy> zaga: Is your display mirroring?
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| 13:16 | <Zaga> If the display is in clone mode the bottom of the LCD display is cut off
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| 13:16 | the same thing happens if I select the maximum resolution on the VGA port and the LCD
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| 13:17 | because the max resolution of the LCD is 1366x768 and the VGA is 1920x1080 which does not make a square
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| 13:17 | and then X cuts the bottom of the LCD display
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| 13:23 | <workingcats> so you've set it to 1366*768, right?
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| 13:24 | <Zaga> right
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| 13:24 | this is more a X server problem than ltsp
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| 13:24 | <workingcats> and it's actually cut off, not just that the picture extend beyond the visible bounds?
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| 13:24 | <Zaga> the problem is I want to use this kind of laptops as thin clients
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| 13:25 | it's cut off
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| 13:25 | <workingcats> hm dont know but i'd guess xrandr may help
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| 13:25 | <Zaga> I've tried that
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| 13:25 | <workingcats> tho i think you're more likely to get something useful in the chan of whatever distro you have on the client
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| 13:26 | <bennabiy> I found XRANDR was having issues with it, but I ended up having to disable my LVDS display, then everything worked fine, but I am not trying to use both screens
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| 13:26 | <Zaga> it works ok if both monitors have a square
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| 13:26 | <workingcats> Zaga, do you actually need both on at the same time?
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| 13:26 | <Zaga> for example if both are 1024x768
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| 13:26 | yes
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| 13:26 | it's for out customer care solution
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| 13:26 | <workingcats> in clone mode?
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| 13:26 | ah ok
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| 13:26 | <Zaga> not in clone mode
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| 13:27 | in left of or right of
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| 13:27 | <bennabiy> You might need to specify in XRANDR the specs for each display
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| 13:27 | <Zaga> Done that
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| 13:27 | the LVDS1 continues to cut the bottom of
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| 13:28 | I think I'm going to try to launch a live CD with a more recent X version and see what it does
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| 13:28 | <workingcats> whats the xrandrs you ran
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| 13:30 | <Zaga> xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 1366x768
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| 13:30 | xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1920x1080
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| 13:30 | <workingcats> you forgot the left/right of
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| 13:30 | not sure of the syntax but you need to tell it that afaik
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| 13:30 | <Zaga> xrandr --output VGA1 --right-of LVDS
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| 13:30 | xrandr --output VGA1 --right-of LVDS1
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| 13:30 | no
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| 13:31 | I set the resolutions I want
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| 13:31 | and then right-of the display
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| 13:31 | it works
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| 13:31 | but since one is bigger than the other
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| 13:31 | the LVDS1 cuts at 768
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| 13:31 | <workingcats> clearly not ;) cant the right-of be in the same command as setting resolution?
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| 13:31 | hu? the LVDS only has 768
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| 13:31 | <Zaga> sure
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| 13:31 | yap
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| 13:32 | <workingcats> i dont understand
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| 13:32 | it displays what it can display
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| 13:32 | <Zaga> correct
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| 13:32 | but since the VGA1 is bigger
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| 13:32 | the LVDS1 cuts it
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| 13:32 | <workingcats> the lvds cuts the vga?
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| 13:33 | brb
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| 13:35 | i dont think i understood the problem
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| 13:35 | <bennabiy> I think you are running into the bug... either the LVDS or LVDS1 do not actually exist
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| 13:36 | It has a max resolution of 1024x768 and shows up as LAPTOP
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| 13:36 | <workingcats> i assumed the LVDS was just a copy&paste with the last char forgotten
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| 13:36 | <Zaga> let me see if I can explain
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| 13:36 | in windows (windows sucks, I know)
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| 13:36 | <bennabiy> I need to reboot
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| 13:36 | back later
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| 13:36 | <workingcats> also just for the record, 1024*768 is NOT a square :P
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| 13:36 | <Zaga> it sets the resolutions of LVDS1 to 1366x768
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| 13:37 | and VGA1 to 1920x1080
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| 13:37 | I try the same in the thin client
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| 13:37 | <Zaga> and the LVDS1 cuts the bottom of the screen because it tries to create a real desktop size of 1080
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| 13:38 | which is the max of the VGA1 1920x1080
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| 13:41 | <workingcats> are you sure about that? i mean obviously if push a window below the bottom of either screen its got nowhere to go
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| 13:42 | *if you
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| 13:42 | and many desktops default to only showing stuff like the taskbar on one screen
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| 13:42 | ah suppose if you maximise something you can tell
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| 13:44 | <Zaga> yap
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| 13:46 | <dean_za> hi , i have been force to roll out a new server after a hard drive crash , went from ubuntu 8.04 ltsp to 12.04 ltsp , i have restored most apps for users but I am having serious problem with printing. I have correct entries in lts.conf and port 9100 is open on thin client and appears to be accepting connections. Nothing prints though and I cant find any error log anywhere. Can anyone tell me where I can look for solution / evidence of problem ?
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| 13:50 | <workingcats> Zaga, well, try a livecd or ask your distro
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| 13:57 | <Zaga> just tried a livecd of fedora 19 and it works out-of-the-box
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| 13:58 | with the maximum resolutions
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| 13:58 | is there a better distro recommended for ltsp?
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| 13:58 | I'm currently using debian
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| 13:58 | but could use another one if it works better
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| 14:00 | <workingcats> dunno i have ubuntu lts
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| 14:01 | debian stable is rather well aged and there's been a lot of movement in the graphics stack
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| 14:01 | this doesnt really have anything to do with ltsp, its just that the old stuff in debian doesnt do this right automatically (yet)
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| 14:01 | i would think
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| 14:05 | <Hyperbyte> Zaga, question.
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| 14:05 | From all you wrote above, I gather that your LVDS display's mode is not correctly detected, and the display is running at a higher mode than it's maximum. How am I doing so far?
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| 15:03 | <muppis> !failsafe
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| 15:03 | <ltsp> Error: "failsafe" is not a valid command.
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| 15:04 | <muppis> !gnome-failsafe
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| 15:04 | <ltsp> Error: "gnome-failsafe" is not a valid command.
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| 15:04 | <muppis> Hmm..
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| 15:04 | I just dropped Berryterminal to my rpi sd-card and now I'm trying to memorize which one was most simpliest session to use in LTSP.
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| 15:22 | <muppis> Logs in, but drops out. Some issue at server, I think.
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| 15:25 | vagrantc, how about your howto. Does it work with Ubuntu 12.04?
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| 15:27 | <vagrantc> muppis: i think ubuntu 12.04 requires armv7, so it wouldn't work on the rpi
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| 15:27 | muppis: but you could definitely connect the raspbian thin client to an ubuntu server
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| 15:29 | <muppis> vagrantc, rpitc.blogspot.com?
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| 15:30 | <vagrantc> huh?
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| 15:31 | muppis: that's some other project
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| 15:32 | muppis: mine is: http://cascadia.debian.net/trenza/Documentation/raspberrypi-ltsp-howto/
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| 15:37 | <muppis> vagrantc, I was just reading that and about to try it. :)
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| 15:38 | But do I need to install wheezy server somewhere?
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| 15:40 | <vagrantc> muppis: you can wing it with some other server
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| 16:23 | <Velyks> Anyone had success from using rPis as thinclients?
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| 16:25 | <muppis> Velyks, building one up. :)
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| 16:26 | <Velyks> Need to make a rPi VESA mount
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| 16:27 | So £70 for a monitor and £30 for an rPi. £100 for a thinclient isn't bad
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| 16:28 | muppis: Do you have to build the client for the rPi?
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| 16:28 | Also, are you having to preload the client onto the SD card? Or can you use PXE boot.
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| 16:30 | <muppis> Preloading, because pxe is not supported so far. I tried to build with that vagrantc's howto, but mine server is Ubuntu and building fails for some reason.
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| 16:31 | <Velyks> So this BerryTerminal has a pre-made client?
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| 16:31 | <muppis> Yes. With that logged in, but dropped out at once.
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| 16:37 | <workingcats> Velyks, no PXE native, but you can "chainload" so to speak
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| 19:01 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: You there?
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| 19:02 | <bennabiy> nope..
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| 19:02 | alkisg: I am currently installing Mint Debian in a test server to see how the LTSP install goes on it.
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| 19:03 | <alkisg> bennabiy: you're currently building an ubuntu chroot and not a mint chroot, right?
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| 19:03 | No desktop interface selection or other related packages, correct?
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| 19:05 | <bennabiy> alkisg: As far as mint vs ubuntu goes with the chroot, mint repo does not have enough in it do do a complete build. It basically is Ubuntu at that level. When a DE gets involved, that is where mint becomes mint (like if you had a fat client )
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| 19:05 | <alkisg> What about the boot logo?
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| 19:05 | Or the wallpaper, or the theme settings?
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| 19:05 | Aren't all those in some mint* packages?
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| 19:06 | You should put those in LATE_PACKAGES or so...
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| 19:06 | <bennabiy> Boot logo, there is a mint package, wallpapers, logos etc, yes
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| 19:07 | Gladly. They never affect me, as I do not use fat clients
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| 19:07 | <alkisg> Thin clients don't have a boot logo?
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| 19:07 | <bennabiy> They have a boot logo, and LDM
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| 19:07 | so I need to grab the plymouth of mint
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| 19:08 | <alkisg> The package that has the boot logo, yeah
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| 19:08 | And the themes packages would affect those that use ldm_dialog or localapps (or fat clients)
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| 19:08 | <bennabiy> vagrantc said it would be better for me to put the code up that I had, because at least as it stands, a user can install ltsp and then following the guides to set up dhcp etc, they could issue the command ltsp-build-client and it would work
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| 19:09 | I am currently testing how a stock install of Linuxmint debian works with a stock install of ltsp
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| 19:09 | <RoyK> does LTSP support SPICE?
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| 19:09 | <bennabiy> I will pastebin the results
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| 19:10 | alkisg: Is there documentation of what files ldm references?
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| 19:10 | I do not know much about ldm, other than how to hack it a little
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| 19:12 | As I said, not personally doing much with anything more than basic thinclient shell and ldm, I am not very aware of the fat client side of things
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| 19:13 | <alkisg> No need to know anything about fat clients...
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| 19:14 | LDM is the same in both thin and fats
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| 19:14 | <bennabiy> perhaps I just think of fat clients wrong
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| 19:14 | ltsp = ltsp in both cases, right?
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| 19:15 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 19:15 | RoyK: there's no spice-related code in upstream ltsp, but you can run any application in thin clients very easily
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| 19:15 | <bennabiy> fat clients just use local hardware for processing power and video, but all the environment is on the server still?
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| 19:15 | like home folder etc
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| 19:16 | <alkisg> Yes, fat clients also use the server's /opt/ltsp/i386.img for the OS, and the server's /home/username for user files etc
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| 19:16 | <RoyK> alkisg: how does ltsp work with video?
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| 19:16 | <alkisg> RoyK: it uses X11, XVideo etc etc, plain remote X
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| 19:16 | That allows e.g. viewing a divx movie on an 100 mbps network fullscreen without dropped frames
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| 19:16 | <bennabiy> alkisg: can you give me a clear list of what I need to change to allow for a merge?
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| 19:17 | <alkisg> bennabiy: nope... I can't give you a clear list because I don't know who will do the merging!! :)
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| 19:17 | <RoyK> alkisg: was thinking more about editing stuff, but I guess it works out the same way
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| 19:18 | <bennabiy> alkisg: as to the conversation yesterday, I think the fear I have about including mint as an ubuntu or debian file is that in the future as mint develops, it being harder to extract it from the mothership if you will
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| 19:18 | <alkisg> bennabiy: personally I would implement it quite differently from what you did at the branch,
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| 19:18 | bennabiy: why, do you think mint has more code than e.g. kubuntu?
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| 19:19 | The problem with mint is that it's not done right... not that it's more different than other flavors
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| 19:19 | So in the future, one would hope that bug reports in mint would make it easier to support in ltsp
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| 19:20 | <bennabiy> alkisg: I agree, it is very funny how it is done, but I also know that it is very stable, and when combined with MATE desktop, it is a wonderful environment
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| 19:20 | <alkisg> I agree about that, but I don't expect it to deviate more
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| 19:20 | So if now it's doable with just 2 files, I don't see why that would change in the future
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| 19:22 | Hopefully mate and cinnamon will be just more DEs, like xfce, lmde, kde etc, installable from the stock ubuntu repositories
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| 19:22 | And "mint" will just be "mint-desktop" package, plus a precompiled CD
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| 19:22 | <bennabiy> As I said, the basics to build a frankenstein is doable in 2, and if those changes could be better coded somewhere else in the script, I am fine with it. I just want to be able to compile a build without having to hack the program each time
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| 19:22 | I do not think mate is in the ubuntu repos yet
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| 19:22 | <alkisg> First, I'd start with hacking the detect_vendor() function
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| 19:23 | (that's what I was talking about when I said "not done right")
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| 19:23 | <bennabiy> I noticed you said that
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| 19:23 | <alkisg> They should probably have just picked up gnome2 maintainance or something...
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| 19:23 | Anyways,
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| 19:23 | <bennabiy> It is funny, it is now based on gnome3
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| 19:23 | <alkisg> lsb_release is all wrong in mint
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| 19:23 | <bennabiy> although a clone of gnome2
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| 19:23 | yes
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| 19:23 | <alkisg> mate is still based on gnome2, right?
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| 19:24 | So, detect_vendor() would check for LinuxMint, and try to fix VENDOR and DIST in that case
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| 19:24 | <bennabiy> at the foundation, updated to gnome3, but still looking like gnome2
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| 19:24 | <alkisg> Taking into account if it's LMDE or Ubuntu-based mint
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| 19:24 | <bennabiy> in order to get into debian
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| 19:24 | <alkisg> That's good news; when it's gnome3 then it'll just be "yet another DE"
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| 19:24 | So it'll be includeable in debian+ubuntu
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| 19:25 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 19:25 | <alkisg> So, if e.g. VENDOR=Ubuntu and DIST=Precise (and some other var like FLAVOR=Mint),
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| 19:25 | <bennabiy> when does detect_vendor() fire?
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| 19:25 | <alkisg> then ltsp-build-client will work fine, and you just have to add the repositories in e.g. 000-base-configuration-mint and in 031-mint-mirrors etc etc
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| 19:26 | <bennabiy> It is what picks which folder to look for config scripts, correct?
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| 19:26 | <alkisg> So I think all that is needed is (1) special-case mint in detect_vendor - which is needed in all cases,
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| 19:26 | and (2), a couple of 000-*mint plugins
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| 19:27 | Yes, detect_vendor sets VENDOR which is used to pick up the distro dir
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| 19:27 | <bennabiy> I am about to install the debian mint. I will check its mirrors and see what it comes up with... perhaps I can complete the package to support both by the end of the week
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| 19:28 | <alkisg> ...and (3), another couple of 000-*mint plugins for LMDE
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| 19:28 | (2) goes into Ubuntu/ and (3) into Debian/
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| 19:29 | <bennabiy> yes.
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| 19:31 | where is the file with the detect_vendor() function?
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| 19:34 | there is a reference to it in ltsp-build-client, but I cannot find what is feeding that reference
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| 19:37 | <christophe_y2k> Hi, new to ltsp have a gentoo system and have a my thin client boot only in console mode if anybody have tweaks to get ldm
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| 19:40 | <bennabiy> nm. found it...
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| 20:03 | <christophe_y2k> hello muppis, you speak to me ?
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| 20:03 | <muppis> christophe_y2k, commonly. Just trying to get my rpi up.
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| 20:04 | <christophe_y2k> ok sorry
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