IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 28 November 2015 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:48 | <juantelez> Hi, all.
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| 02:34 | <juantelez> I've installed LTSP on Debian Jessie. I want to log in from a Raspberry Pi. A second after I put the user/password at LDM, I get the "No response from server, restarting".
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| 02:35 | I'm searching in google for the answer for a couple of hours... please help. :D
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| 02:36 | <vagrantc> how did you install LDM on the raspberry pi?
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| 02:37 | juantelez: did you configure the server's ssh keys in the raspberry pi's OS
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| 02:37 | ?
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| 02:38 | <juantelez> Thanks. vagrantc . For the client I used "Berryterminal".
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| 02:39 | vagrantc: I didn't configure de ssh keys.
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| 02:40 | vagrantc: I read your name allover the documentation that I'm using to try to solve the problem... now I fell like I'm chating with a celebrity :D
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| 02:41 | I using mostly this How To --> http://www.uzerp.com/blog/running-raspberry-pis-as-thin-clients-with-ubuntu-14-04-lts
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| 02:41 | And it says that for the image client I could use i386
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| 02:43 | * vagrantc has no idea what berryterminal does | |
| 02:43 | <vagrantc> i started documenting the process for running a real LTSP on raspberry pi because i wasn't impressed with berryterminal...
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| 02:43 | then gbaman_ used that to create pinet
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| 02:44 | <juantelez> vagrantc: I wont use your --> http://cascadia.debian.net/trenza/Documentation/raspberrypi-ltsp-howto because I was afraid it was not updated
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| 02:44 | <vagrantc> and work_alkisg has been working on getting support for raspberry pi in LTSP directly
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| 02:44 | juantelez: it's a bit dated, but i don't think much has changed ... other than there are some more polished howtos out there now
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| 02:44 | <juantelez> I'm trying to avoid the use of pinet because I want to learn a little more about LTSP
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| 02:45 | <vagrantc> that's a good goal :)
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| 02:45 | <juantelez> vagrantc: Ok. Thanks a lot.
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| 02:45 | vagrantc: Pizza arrives.
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| 02:45 | vagrantc: Later I will try to found ot what "configure the server's ssh keys" implies. Thanks!!
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| 02:46 | <vagrantc> basically, you need the client's /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts to contain entries for the servers you connect to
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| 02:48 | if you only use rpi2 boards, you can even use debian or ubuntu rather than raspbian
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| 06:43 | <Beevk> hello
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| 06:43 | help
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| 06:43 | anybody there?
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| 06:51 | <maldridge> ?ask
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| 06:51 | Beevk: don't ask to ask, just ask your question and someone will get back to you
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| 10:32 | <muppis_> !raspberrypi
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| 10:32 | <ltsp> raspberrypi: (#1) Ubuntu/LTSP on Pi 2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/RaspberryPi, or (#2) Debian/LTSP (with raspbian chroot) on Pi: http://cascadia.debian.net/trenza/Documentation/raspberrypi-ltsp-howto/, or (#3) unofficial Ubuntu/LTSP (with raspbian chroot) on Pi: http://pinet.org.uk/
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| 11:11 | <muppis_> alkisg, did you mention earlier that first gen rpi is good enough to be thin client?
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| 11:13 | <fiesh_> from personal experience with the rpi, I'd definitely attest to that, without having tried it as a thin client
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| 11:16 | <muppis_> Tried once to use BerryTerminal, but didn't get it working as client. As normal desktop it is... well, usable.
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| 11:19 | <alkisg> muppis_: I haven't tried the first gen pi, I only tried the second gen
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| 11:19 | Currently the second gen can work as a fat client, but barely
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| 11:19 | It has a lot of issues to get resolved, like graphics acceleration
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| 11:20 | I imagine that the first gen will run as a thin client, but 3-4 times slower and without any graphics acceleration either
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| 11:20 | So I wouldn't buy any of them... maybe the zero clients, being cheaper, are worth it, but in general I'd certainly prefer anything x86-based
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| 11:21 | *"pi zero", not "zero thin clients" that lack a cpu...
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| 11:24 | <muppis_> My next questions was about Zero. Anyone has been lucky to get them to test? In Swag shop seems to be sold out. :D
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| 11:25 | <alkisg> pi zero doesn't have an ethernet port though, right?
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| 11:26 | <muppis_> Nope, just one USB.
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| 11:27 | But previous rpi's ethernet has done over USB as well, so I don't see that as a problem.
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| 11:27 | <alkisg> You'd just need some more $$ for that
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| 11:27 | A set of new motherboard + processor + ram is about 100€, we generally prefer to update our existing clients that way and have them work as decent ltsp fat clients
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| 11:28 | This way they have 2000+ score in cpubenchmark.net instead of ...something like 100 that Pi has
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| 11:28 | And full graphics acceleration for 2d and 3d and video
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| 11:30 | <muppis_> That's true. There's still usage for Pi -kind of hw as where no use of video or 3D graphics. I know it sounds little bit dull, but that exists.
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| 11:31 | <alkisg> Sure, they're excellent for many use cases, but just not as normal desktops
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| 11:31 | <muppis_> Agreed.
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| 11:31 | <alkisg> I.e. not for web browsing and watching movies etc
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| 11:31 | * alkisg waves | |
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| 11:42 | <muppis> http://m.muppis.net/20151128_134016.jpg -- As it should be desingned to be installed.
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| 11:56 | Cool. Got it working out of box with rpi 2.
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| 13:06 | <fcsanyi> help
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| 14:07 | <work_alkisg> fcsanyi: hi
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| 14:08 | <alkisg> !ask
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| 14:08 | <ltsp> ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 15:27 | <quinox> praise the Greek schools PPA
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| 15:27 | Ubuntu 15.10 LTSP still fails to boot due to the overlay kernel change
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| 15:27 | vanilla
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| 15:29 | installing the ltsp-client-core from the PPA and voilà, it boots
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| 15:30 | * quinox is well on schedule to get all the clients working again before Monday morning :) | |
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| 15:36 | <alkisg> quinox: thanks! :)
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| 15:36 | quinox: you'd better add it to your sources instead of selectively installing packages from it though
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| 15:36 | It will save you from 100% cpu usage from zenity, from socat,
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| 15:37 | from thousands of temp files caused by gnome-keyring, and lots of other unrelated bugs
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| 15:39 | <quinox> I've added the PPA to apt/sources.list.d/ltsp.conf - it didn't see any updates except ltsp-client-core but the image is still vanilla
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| 15:39 | <alkisg> Both the server and the chroot?
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| 15:39 | <quinox> yes
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| 15:40 | <alkisg> And you didn't e.g. see an ltsp-server update?
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| 15:40 | <quinox> on the server yes
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| 15:40 | <alkisg> OK, you should also see zenity and some others
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| 15:40 | ah 15.10, never mind about zenity, it was fixed there
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| 15:41 | We don't update many packages for non-LTS versions
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| 15:41 | These are all in 15.10: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=wily
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| 15:41 | ...while for e.g. 12.04 there are a lot more: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=precise
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| 15:43 | <quinox> quite a few
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| 15:45 | We didn't use the PPA before, up to 14.04 the LTSP worked just fine
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| 15:45 | with 14.10 and 15.04 we manually applied any patches... now on the PPA (much much easier ^^)
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| 15:46 | the fixes from these modified packages have been reported upstream I suppose?
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| 15:51 | the only persisting problem on the fat clients we have is that Chromium sometimes goes into insane mode, causing a lot of network traffic, raising the load and making the fat client really slow
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| 15:51 | killing random tabs fixes it for a few minutes and then it starts again
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| 15:52 | restarting chromium fixes it for the rest of the day usually
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| 15:52 | in general I think Chromium is buggier than FF
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| 15:59 | Google Talk idem (unrelated to LTSP), I guess Google focuses more on new services and features than on stability/bugs
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| 16:00 | Talk Hangout... whatever they call it these days
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| 16:02 | <juantelez> Hi,
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| 16:02 | <quinox> hello
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| 16:03 | <juantelez> Hello, quinox . I'm having problems to login for the first time with ltsp client. I think the problem is related to ssh.
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| 16:04 | <quinox> Do you see any errors?
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| 16:05 | <juantelez> Yesterday, vagrantc toll me to configure know_host in the client. What I did was copy the know_host file from my home... is that right?
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| 16:06 | quinox: Yes. failed password
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| 16:07 | quinox: I made lstp-chroot / passwod user / exit / lstp-update-image. Is that right to set the passwd?
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| 16:08 | <quinox> Normally the client logs in on the SSH of the server I think, so changing a password should happen server side
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| 16:08 | <alkisg> (05:46:29 μμ) quinox: the fixes from these modified packages have been reported upstream I suppose? ==> the ppa is upstream, ubuntu is downstream
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| 16:09 | <juantelez> quinox: It worked!!!
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| 16:09 | <quinox> hooray
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| 16:10 | <juantelez> quinox: But I worked using the original password from my user... not the one a made whit chroot.
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| 16:11 | <alkisg> juantelez: user accounts should be on the server, you shouldn't have any user accounts in the chroot
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| 16:12 | <juantelez> alkisg: Thanks.
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