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Channel log from 23 December 2016 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:43 | <gehidore> mmmm frog legs
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| 03:44 | now I'm hungry
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| 14:12 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 14:12 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 14:12 | <alkisg> Saludos :)
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| 14:12 | <sbalneav> Morning vagrantc, alkisg
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| 14:12 | I'll have a look at the session script today.
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| 14:13 | The other thing we need to have it do is remove the empty tempdir
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| 14:13 | * vagrantc has the distinct impression sbalneav is set on getting things done! | |
| 14:14 | * alkisg doesn't think he'll be able to do any work during the holidays, and hopes sbalneav will continue to be set on getting things done after 15 days too... :D | |
| 14:14 | <sbalneav> On a mission.
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| 14:43 | * vagrantc updated http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Dev:LTSPPamNotes | |
| 14:43 | <vagrantc> !pam
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| 14:43 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'pam', but I do know about these similar topics: 'pad'
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| 14:43 | <vagrantc> !learn pam as http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Dev:LTSPPamNotes
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| 14:43 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 14:43 | <vagrantc> !pam
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| 14:43 | <ltsp> pam: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Dev:LTSPPamNotes
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| 14:45 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: nice!
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| 14:46 | <vagrantc> hadn't been touched since 2013, figured we'd better update it since it's practically been rewritten from scratch :)
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| 14:47 | <sbalneav> Ayup
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| 14:48 | <vagrantc> i should probably orphan libpam-sshauth in Debian...
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| 14:49 | although there are at least 6 people who have used it in the last week
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| 14:50 | sbalneav: i'm guessing we'll call it dead upstream?
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| 14:50 | <sbalneav> Well, I thought what we wanted to do was sub the pam implementation for it.
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| 14:50 | *python
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| 14:51 | <vagrantc> oh, right
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| 14:51 | <sbalneav> We can consider the C version dead, yeah.
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| 14:51 | Since the python version does everything the C version does.
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| 14:52 | <vagrantc> so it's basically just shipping pam_sshauth.py in the libpam-sshauth package?
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| 14:53 | <sbalneav> So I guess what I'd like to see is when you install "libpam-sshauth", you get a /usr/share/pam-sshauth/pam-sshauth.py file, a readme of some kind, and libpam-python installs as a dependency.... right.
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| 14:53 | <vagrantc> or is pam_sshauth.py still got some ltsp-isms
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| 14:53 | s,is,does,
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| 14:53 | <sbalneav> No, other than it uses the term "ltsp" in it, which we could replace with "tunnel" to make it completely ltsp independent.
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| 14:53 | * vagrantc waves the banner of bad grammar | |
| 14:54 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: bingo!
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| 14:54 | <sbalneav> That's easy. One sec.
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| 14:54 | I also have to make a manpage for it.
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| 14:54 | <vagrantc> ok, so now the big question... is it ready enough to actually ship in a debian stable release? :)
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| 14:55 | <sbalneav> It's *at least* as ready as the old libpam-sshauth was.
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| 14:55 | It's had FAR more testing at this point.
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| 14:55 | <vagrantc> i guess i'll have to write up a "switching from libpam-sshauth" documentation bit
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| 14:55 | <sbalneav> Well, I can put that in a readme and a manpage.
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| 14:55 | first, let me "de-ltsp-fy" it.
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| 14:55 | <vagrantc> https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=libpam-sshauth
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| 14:56 | i suspect there have been a few people using it in real-world scenarios all these years
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| 14:56 | so libpam-sshauth may, arguably, have more real-world testing
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| 14:57 | admittedly, it's ~6 people
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| 14:57 | it's the 181,535th most popular package in debian by use
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| 14:58 | <sbalneav> woot
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| 14:58 | <vagrantc> but, those poor loyal libpam-sshauth users will be in for a *mandatory upgrade*
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| 15:09 | <sbalneav> Well, I'm happy to keep maintaing the C version for another release, and we can call this one pam-sshauth-python, or whatever.
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| 15:09 | Do we have any bugs I need to fix in the old version?
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| 15:10 | Oh, and what's a good standard header block license for python files?
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| 15:10 | There's no license on pam-sshauth.py yet
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| 15:30 | <vagrantc> well, i'm partial to GPLv3, and just using the "How to Apply These Terms .." section
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| 15:31 | it's a bit of a wall of text, but makes everything really clear.
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| 15:33 | sbalneav: regarding manpage ... i think i've seen some python library that can be used to generate the manpage from docstrings in your functions and so on
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| 15:51 | <sbalneav> k
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| 16:44 | <sbalneav> vagrantc, alkisg
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| 16:44 | look at latest commit :D
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| 16:46 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: nice!
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| 16:47 | <sbalneav> So
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| 16:47 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: so briefly alkisg an i talked about patching ldm to use this sshauth.py stuff ...
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| 16:48 | <sbalneav> I've removed the "StrictHostKeyChecking=no" from the base code, and now if people want it, it's an easy override
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| 16:48 | <vagrantc> though it's a tradeoff between throwing away the old and starting fresh, or limping along with old code...
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| 16:48 | but getting some new code into use sooner...
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| 17:09 | <sbalneav> I'm not even sure how we'd merge anything into the old ldm
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| 17:09 | The old ldm just spawns an ssh
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| 17:09 | It doesn't touch pam at all
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| 17:10 | And it just screen-scrapes the responses.
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| 17:11 | <sbalneav> ldm always was a bodge, it was fragile and icky.
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| 17:11 | <vagrantc> sure, but we could configure another plugin or something that somehow just does pam auth, which creates the tunnel,a dn then uses that tunnel
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| 17:11 | <sbalneav> why?
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| 17:11 | What *advantage* does keeping the old ldm impart to us?
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| 17:11 | <vagrantc> incremental progress
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| 17:12 | presumably full feature-compatibility
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| 17:12 | <vagrantc> overall, i'm inclined to just move forward and not invest more in ldm
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| 17:13 | <sbalneav> That's my inclination as well.
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| 17:13 | You can polish a turd all you want; at the end, all you have is a shiny turd.
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| 17:13 | <vagrantc> there are a few things like configuring screen resolution which will require per-display-manager tweaks
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| 17:14 | <sbalneav> Wouldn't that just be an X configuration?
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| 17:14 | <vagrantc> just figured i'd bring it up, even though i'm not enthusiastic about it
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| 17:14 | we've got so many hooks and undocumented features, not sure what all we'll need to implement :)
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| 17:14 | <sbalneav> I just don't see how it's possible; the only way to do it properly would be to actually make LDM a proper pam-enabled display manager.
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| 17:14 | But we already have those.
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| 17:15 | <vagrantc> but i'm also willing, given the major changes, to break backwards compatibility to make forward progress
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| 17:15 | <sbalneav> lightdm, gdm, kdm, etc.
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| 17:15 | <vagrantc> and then needed features can be implemented or requested by those who need them
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| 17:15 | <vagrantc> alkisg had some ideas to make it possible
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| 17:15 | * vagrantc shrugs | |
| 17:15 | <sbalneav> Sure, but alkisg doesn't code in C :D
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| 17:16 | I'm not trying to be mean, it's just... a lot of work, for no good benefit, and all it does is just slow us down from implementing what we actually want.
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| 17:17 | <sbalneav> The idea is we didn't *want* to manage a large chunk of C anymore; we wanted nice, light, scripts.
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| 17:17 | We're almost there.
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| 17:17 | I'd rather just keep going.
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| 17:18 | I just added a complete config file mechanism to the module in < 50 lines of code, in an hour or so.
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| 17:19 | That kind of speed and customizability was impossible before
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| 17:21 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i hear ya, don't let me mentioning lukewarm ideas detract from your enthusiasm!
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| 17:22 | <sbalneav> Like I say, I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade, it's just... we wanted something new, lets get it.
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| 17:22 | * vagrantc stands with sbalneav | |
| 17:22 | <sbalneav> If ltsp6 is incompatible with ltsp5, we can keep both around for a few cycles, and just do critical bug fixes for a while on ltsp5
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| 18:09 | <Sleaker> I mean it's just a bunch of config files and build scripts right?
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| 18:37 | <sbalneav> Sleaker: Not quite yet, but getting there. LTSP5 has a lot of C code we wrote in it.
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| 18:37 | <Sleaker> oh right there's some client level stuff isn't there
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| 21:19 | <vsuojanen> exit
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| 21:20 | o|
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