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Channel log from 29 April 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:43 | <myjess> karmic netbook remix. xinetd loaded on server for Xvnc. Xinetd all setup properly. In wheel to sudo, I do not understand?
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| 00:46 | I am part of admin group, so is tclient1, admin has ALL in sudoers on server, still doesn't work. have never seen "wheel" group. Thanks
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| 00:47 | <alkisg> Can you paste the output of:
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| 00:47 | id
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| 00:47 | sudo ls
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| 00:47 | <myjess> tclient1 is login on thin client. I am assuming ldm looks at servers passwd,shadow,group and sudoers
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| 00:47 | of tclient1?
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| 00:48 | <alkisg> Of the user having the problem
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| 00:48 | ldm just connects to the server, it doesn't look at passwd or anything. So if that happens to you, it isn't an ltsp-related problem. The only time when passwd etc are used are in localapps.
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| 00:49 | <myjess> hmmm. sorry, i can do so later when I get vbox up and running afain, bad time of morning with kids to school 'n' all!
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| 00:49 | <myjess> would output of any files above help?
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| 00:50 | passwd w
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| 00:50 | etc from server
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| 00:51 | <alkisg> Can you describe the problem a little better? If you just login directly on the server, without using a thin client, are you experiencing the same problem?
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| 00:57 | <myjess> It's a netbook, not a server per se, so I would have to logoff as myself which I am loathe to do. I can try su - tclient1 later but at the mo, I have to get kids for school, sorry, but thanks for assistingn me.
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| 00:57 | <alkisg> np
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| 01:42 | <myjess> As I thought, doing su - tclient1 on the server(netbook) allows me to sudo bash. I cannot do this on the thinn client.
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| 01:52 | <alkisg> myjess: how are you opening a terminal on the thin client?
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| 01:52 | Because the thin client is *just* an ssh to the server
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| 01:53 | So if you cannot use `sudo` from ssh, you got some non-ltsp-related problem
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| 01:54 | (btw did you logoff/logon after putting tclient to the admin group?)
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| 01:55 | Also, post the output of the `id` and `sudo ls` commands that I said above..
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| 02:07 | <myjess> tclient1 was not logged on anywhere when I added them to the admin group. Do I need to log everybody off?
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| 02:08 | <alkisg> No
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| 02:09 | <myjess> if there were ssh related issues, surely I wouldn't be able top logon at all as tclient1 since ldm uses ssh to communicate between vbox thinclient and netbook server(although I think I may have that directx parameter set. I'll have to look at that.
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| 02:11 | I had that ldmdirect parameter set in /var/lib/tftpboot/i386/lts.conf. I have since commented that line out so it should use ssh now.
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| 02:11 | restarting vbox vm
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| 02:15 | <alkisg> directx STILL uses ssh for logon
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| 02:15 | Again, try the commands I said above.
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| 02:16 | <myjess> I do know from previous experiments that when I copied passwd, shadow, group and sudoers to the image build and then did the update image, I was able to sudo, but that's not a good solution
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| 02:16 | I am ust waiting for ldm to boot to get you those commands.
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| 02:23 | <myjess> uid=1001(tclient1) gid=1001(tclient1) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),21(fax),24(cdrom),26(tape),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),103(fuse),104(lpadmin),112(netdev),115(admin),120(sambashare),129(vboxusers),1001(tclient1)
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| 02:24 | sudo ls just keeps asking for tclient1 password which I enter but it doesn;t accept it.
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| 02:25 | <alkisg> (10:16:54 πμ) myjess: I do know from previous experiments that when I copied passwd, shadow, group and sudoers to the image build and then did the update image, I was able to sudo, but that's not a good solution ==> why on earth would you do that?
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| 02:25 | The users logon to the server. You don't need to modify passwd on the chroot. If fact you may break it if you do.
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| 02:26 | Also, (09:52:27 πμ) alkisg: myjess: how are you opening a terminal on the thin client?
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| 02:26 | Are you trying on a local console, e.g. with Ctrl+Alt+F1?
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| 02:29 | <myjess> get back in about 30 mins
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| 02:50 | <sentmen> Hi
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| 02:50 | <alkisg> Hi
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| 02:50 | <sentmen> I have 1 question.
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| 02:50 | I have setted up ltsp succesfull
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| 02:50 | All works.
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| 02:51 | But i want to use this in my company
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| 02:51 | 50 clients
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| 02:52 | What i needed for hardware requirements for only 1 terminal?
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| 02:52 | What do you think?
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| 02:53 | <alkisg> There are some specs on the docs
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| 02:53 | !docs
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| 02:53 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 02:54 | <sentmen> Ok thanks
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| 03:03 | <jonkke> anyone using "ldascipts" (http://contribs.martymac.org/) to add users to ldap directory?
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| 03:03 | it works fine for me, but when i add new user, it generates random password, but don't show it to anyone
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| 03:04 | how am i supposed to tell new user what passwd he needs to use to first login?
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| 03:07 | <alliancemd> Hi
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| 03:07 | <jonkke> Hi
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| 03:08 | <alliancemd> I asked long time ago if I can run a PC with 32 MB Ram on LTSP5 and the community said no, even if I try to make a swap partition. I was told that only with minimum 64 MB Ram I can run it
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| 03:09 | Now I want to ask, but it is there any way to load the image not in the RAM but on the HDD? And work with 32 MB Ram? :)
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| 03:10 | <myjess> alkisg. No. I am opening a console via accessories in the ldm.
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| 03:15 | <dobber> how do you load it in the hdd?
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| 03:15 | <alkisg> alliancemd: even if you put the image in an hdd it will still need 64 RAM
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| 03:16 | <dobber> you need ram to 1) load the kernel 2) load LDM
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| 03:17 | <alliancemd> alkisg: I was thinking, he loads the image into the ram, then it has to extract it, so it takes to much RAM, but in case that it loads the image in HDD it will not take the memory from RAM so I have more free space
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| 03:20 | <alkisg> Nah, it doesn't work like that.
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| 03:21 | <alliancemd> Ok, thx
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| 03:29 | <dobber> I got "getpwuid_r(): failed due to unknown user id (0)" when starting gnome
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| 03:29 | i read the forums that i need nscd installed
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| 03:29 | but do i need it in the chroot or the server?
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| 03:34 | <myjess> Alksig has left. Can anyone else help me with sudo from the a TS client please?
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| 03:50 | <Appiah> can you explain your problem and what you are trying to do?
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| 03:50 | you're trying to get root access on a terminal?
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| 03:50 | thin client*
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| 04:15 | <myjess> yes i am trying to sudo inside the client
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| 04:17 | <Appiah> did you set a root pass ?
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| 04:20 | chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 04:20 | then set a passwd
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| 04:20 | dont forget to ltsp-update-image
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| 04:27 | <myjess> does that get me sudo or just su -
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| 04:27 | ?
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| 04:27 | <Appiah> so you can have access root on the thin client
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| 04:27 | not the server
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| 04:27 | if you want a user to have sudo access on the server just do like you normaly would on a computer
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| 04:28 | there's no LTSP specific thing to give users sudo access
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| 04:30 | <myjess> ok. so i want to mount some nas samba shares and was going to do it via sudo mount -t cifs etc, but su - takes me to a new shell. i would use nautilus but for some reason nautilus keeps askinng for ppassword to my passwd protected nas samba shares
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| 04:31 | whereas the mount command happily mounts them no probs.
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| 04:31 | and that nautgilus problem is on both server and client
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| 04:31 | <cyberorg> myjess, use LDM_DEBUG_TERMINAL in lts.conf, that gets root terminal
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| 04:32 | <Appiah> are you gonna mount to the client or to the server?
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| 04:32 | <myjess> i'll change all the exec props oof my mount scripts. Maybe i can then add them to the startup rc dirs on the client
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| 04:33 | <Appiah> or add pam automount..
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| 04:33 | <myjess> mount on client. media center. already have vlc as a localapp
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| 04:34 | <Appiah> pam mount is maybe what you're looking for
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| 04:35 | <ogra_cmpc> just add it to the clients fstab
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| 04:35 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
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| 04:35 | <myjess> if i could get nautilus sorted i wouldnt need alll this, but ii can see no info about my problem, although it has something to do with nas,, as bnautilus opens windows shares that are pw prootected happily after ventering pw once.
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| 04:36 | hey, thats an idea, add to client fstab an re-image.
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| 04:37 | and chroot and change user pw at same time.
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| 04:38 | let me gicve that a try. I wonder if i can allso add vbox extensions to client?
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| 04:38 | <Appiah> sure
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| 04:38 | just chroot and install whatever you want on it..
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| 04:40 | <myjess> what i wanted was a mirror image of my netbook(server), cos it has loads of proggies on it, but guess i'll have to settle for what i can.
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| 04:42 | you see, this was a netbook remix with ubuntu, but i changed it to a kinda kubuntu, and i wanted the same as a client running off a busted laptop with nothing in it except ram and nic and hooked up to lcd tv.
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| 04:43 | <myjess> my plan is to extract all this ltsp stuff onto a real physical computer from the netbook, and let it handle the client.
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| 04:44 | thanks for the help
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| 05:31 | <myjess> One of the web pages
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| 05:32 | i visited gave me a great script for chrooy into the client image
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| 05:32 | The only thing that was missing was lines that changed the colour of the prompt to let me know I had chrooted.
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| 05:33 | Any ideas how to do that, cos i keep forgetting where i am.
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| 05:39 | <davemir> Lns: Hello!
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| 05:40 | Lns: Can you help me with something? please
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| 05:41 | <myjess> not a lot going n in here at the mo davemir. may have 2 wait awhile.
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| 05:42 | <davemir> myjess: has installed thin-client-manager ever?
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| 05:42 | <myjess> nope
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| 05:43 | <davemir> myjess: you use to control for thin client?
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| 05:44 | <myjess> learning ltsp myself. i am not a person too ask, sorry.
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| 05:45 | <davemir> nothing happens, thanks
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| 05:53 | someone could help me with thin client manager?
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| 05:53 | please
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| 06:00 | <dobber> davemir ltsp-manager ?
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| 06:02 | <davemir> dobber: ltsp-manager does not, thin-client-manager
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| 06:03 | dobber: But install the ltsp-manager, but I never got to run
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| 06:03 | dobber: I installed it on Ubuntu 9.04 and Ubuntu 9.10 and not start anything
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| 06:04 | dobber: I could tell because I can not start it?
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| 06:15 | <davemir> dober: could help me with ltsp-manager or thin client manger?
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| 06:15 | dobber: could help me with ltsp-manager or thin client manger?
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| 06:18 | <dobber> no, i have a problem with ltsp-manager too
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| 06:21 | <davemir> dobber: which is the problem you of ltsp-manager?
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| 06:37 | <dobber> ./usr/bin/ltsp-manager:12: DeprecationWarning: The popen2 module is deprecated. Use the subprocess module.
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| 06:44 | <davemir> dobber: I have heard that there ja ltsp-manager for over a year and not in keeping
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| 07:03 | <mjk64> Hiho! =)
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| 10:01 | <Ghid0rah> in LTSP can I set a default printer for a user?
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| 10:03 | <alkisg> Thin client users are connected to the server, so there's nothing special about printer defaults
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| 10:03 | It only gets special when you want to share a printer on the client, not a server printer
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| 10:04 | (i.e. regular gnome/kde solutions also apply to ltsp)
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| 10:33 | <Gadi> Ghid0rah: there is an LDM_PRINTER param you can set to the default print queue
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| 10:33 | (it sets the PRINTER env var in the session)
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| 10:35 | <Ghid0rah> that is in the LTS.conf?
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| 10:35 | <Gadi> yup
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| 10:36 | that way you can tie default printer to thin client hardware
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| 10:36 | (to map it to users, set it with a login script on the server)
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| 10:37 | <Ghid0rah> ideally I want to set the default printer based upon the hostname of the device
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| 10:37 | <alkisg> Sorry, I didn't know that one :)
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| 10:37 | <Gadi> well, you can do that either with [hostname] entries in lts.conf and LDM_PRINTER under each
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| 10:38 | <Ghid0rah> nice!
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| 10:38 | <Gadi> OR if you need something fancier, write a login script that works off of the env var LTSP_CLIENT (which is set to client IP)
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| 10:55 | <kusznir> Any word on ubunto 10.04 and lts compatatibility?
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| 10:57 | <denisesball> just to let everyone know, i figured out how to system-wide move the ubuntu 10.04 window buttons to the right. just set it in gconf and make it a mandatory key
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| 10:57 | do you guys recommend edubuntu or xubuntu over vanilla ubuntu generally?
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| 10:58 | <alkisg> !button_layout
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| 10:58 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "button_layout" :: To revert the Ubuntu button position and ordering to their old values, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout :minimize,maximize,close
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| 10:58 | <alkisg> denisesball: ^^^
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| 10:58 | <denisesball> haha, thats basically what i just just through the GUI instead
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| 10:59 | wish u were in here yesterday!
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| 10:59 | <alkisg> :)
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| 11:02 | <denisesball> i ask about xubuntu/edubuntu since ubuntu 10.04 feels really slow on ltsp compared to previous versions
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| 11:02 | especially firefox/flash
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| 11:02 | * alkisg doesn't see any noticable difference | |
| 11:02 | <denisesball> o rly
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| 11:02 | <alkisg> Firefox is even much faster than in 9.04
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| 11:03 | ...because then it had problems with the xcb lib
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| 11:03 | <denisesball> it's probably the flash then
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| 11:03 | <alkisg> Or your graphics drivers?
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| 11:04 | or your settings? (e.g. LDM_DIRECTX...)
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| 11:04 | <denisesball> nothing different from my other server
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| 11:06 | alkisg: where do you set LDM_DIRECTX on ubuntu 10.04?
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| 11:06 | i think it used to be /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 11:06 | not seeing that now
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| 11:06 | <alkisg> The same
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| 11:07 | In all versions you need to put it there manually
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| 11:07 | <denisesball> oh, its not there now. guess i have to create it then
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| 11:07 | ok
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| 11:07 | dont remember doing that previously, thanks
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| 11:07 | <alkisg> yeah, big difference with or without it
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| 11:07 | Gotta go, bbl
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| 11:07 | <denisesball> thanks again
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| 11:10 | <Ghid0rah> Gadi: Do you know of any examples with using the [hostname]?
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| 11:10 | <Gadi> examples?
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| 11:10 | in order for it to work, the thin client needs to get that hostname
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| 11:11 | which is usually configured in your dhcp server
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| 11:12 | most pple use MAC address instead of hostname
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| 11:12 | because that is always constant
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| 11:12 | <Ghid0rah> hrmm
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| 11:13 | I'm setting the DHCP hostname variable but it doesn't apply
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| 11:13 | hostname is the name in the bottom right on the logon screen?
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| 11:15 | <johnny> hostname would show there if it was set correctly
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| 11:17 | <Gadi> Ghid0rah: if your dhcp server hands out ips dnamically, that may change on every boot
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| 11:55 | <alkisg> @#($*& I was using DNS_SERVER='ip1 ip2', and getltscfg -a puts the quotes 10 lines above, ''LDM_DIRECTX=True, breaking the whole script...
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| 12:25 | <epaphus> Hello guys. How do I kill a local app on a thin client? without doing alt ctrl f2 to enter the shell of the thin client?
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| 12:26 | <alkisg> ltsp-localapps killall app?
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| 12:26 | (or pkill etc)
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| 12:30 | <epaphus> ltsp-localapps
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| 12:30 | got it
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| 12:30 | tnx
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| 12:56 | <alkisg> stgraber: I'm installing a "sch-client" upstart service on ltsp clients. I'd like it to be stopped at shutdown/reboot, before ltsp-reboot.conf calls `reboot -fp`. I currently have it "stop on runlevel [!2345]" but I guess ltsp-reboot gets called first and it doesn't have a chance to stop. Would you have any ideas on how to do this?
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| 12:58 | <stgraber> alkisg: ltsp-shutdown/reboot has been done to always be the first one ;) so easiest is probably to update the ltsp-*.conf to "start on started sch-client"
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| 13:00 | <alkisg> Thanks!
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| 13:03 | <Ghid0rah> Gadi: Is there any documentation on LDM_PRINTER?
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| 13:15 | <vagrantc> !docs
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| 13:15 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 13:16 | <vagrantc> Ghid0rah: should be some there ^^
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| 13:19 | <Ghid0rah> vagrantc: do you know if I can use %LIKE with the [hostname] parm?
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| 13:20 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 13:20 | <Ghid0rah> Can you help me with the syntax a little bit?
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| 13:20 | <vagrantc> LIKE=foo
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| 13:20 | where foo is another line:
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| 13:20 | [foo]
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| 13:21 | <cliebow> i have to keep my syntax on a leash
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| 13:21 | <vagrantc> little bunny foofoo on a leash
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| 13:21 | <cliebow> weeeee!!
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| 13:22 | <Ghid0rah> ahh I see how it works
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| 13:22 | hrmm do you know of a way
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| 13:23 | where I can apply settings in LTS based upon similar host names
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| 13:23 | say 100-1 100-2 100-3 are all host names
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| 13:23 | and I want to apply a setting to host names that begin with 100
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| 13:34 | <komunista> !ldm
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| 13:34 | <ltspbot`> komunista: "ldm" :: For feisty users, a newer LDM will allow you to use the LDM_DIRECTX parameter. Either update to gutsy, or get a backported feisty LDM at http://alburg.net/ldm
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| 13:34 | <johnny> oh.. we should get rid of that message now
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| 13:34 | vagrantc, can you fix that?
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| 13:34 | i don't have privs
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| 13:34 | perhaps alkisg has privs tho too
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| 13:35 | <alkisg> I think it's open for everyone...
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| 13:35 | !forget ldm
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| 13:35 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 13:35 | <alkisg> !ldm
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| 13:35 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: Error: "ldm" is not a valid command.
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| 13:35 | <sbalneav> johnny: Anybody has privs
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| 13:35 | I don't restrict the bot
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| 13:35 | <alkisg> Is that what was needed? I didn't read the backlogs
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| 13:35 | <johnny> oh
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| 13:35 | <vagrantc> wow. that was an *old* message.
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| 13:35 | <johnny> yes
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| 13:37 | <sbalneav> Ghid0rah: IIRC, I *think* you can specify wildcards in the hostname sections, like:
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| 13:37 | [100*]
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| 13:37 | <Ghid0rah> oh that'd be awesome. let me try.
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| 13:37 | <sbalneav> But you SHOULDN'T have hostnames as purely numbers.
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| 13:37 | <Ghid0rah> they're not
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| 13:37 | they are 100-01
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| 13:37 | <sbalneav> Yeah, they are.
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| 13:38 | <Ghid0rah> so the - is a number?
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| 13:38 | <sbalneav> How does lts.conf know 100* is referring to a hostname, or an IP address? :)
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| 13:38 | <Ghid0rah> if I do [100-*]
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| 13:38 | <sbalneav> You can try it and see.
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| 13:38 | No guarentees.
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| 13:39 | <alkisg> "The original specification of hostnames in RFC 952, mandated that labels could not start with a digit or with a hyphen, and must not end with a hyphen. However, a subsequent specification (RFC 1123) permitted hostname labels to start with digits."
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| 13:40 | <Ghid0rah> wow you hit up the RFC quickly.
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| 13:40 | <Lns> !s
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| 13:40 | <ltspbot`> Lns: "s" :: Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 13:40 | <Lns> =) What's up stranger
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| 13:40 | <alkisg> Ghid0rah: I was looking at those some days ago, so I had them handy :)
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| 13:41 | <Oebele> stranger?
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| 13:41 | <Ghid0rah> Nice. Awesome the wildcard seemed to work.
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| 13:42 | <Lns> Oebele: he's had a break recently. Fixing up some cottage to live in the wilderness or some craziness ;)
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| 13:42 | <sbalneav> Well, of course, RFC1123 was freaking HEARESY, and anyone following it will be consumed in the FIRES OF DNS HELL
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| 13:42 | <Ghid0rah> lol
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| 13:42 | <Oebele> Lns: ok, i'am kinda jump in this chat here ;]
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| 13:43 | <sbalneav> ALL BOW BEFORE THE ONE TRUE HOSTNAME RFC: 952!
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| 13:43 | We will now bow our heads in prayer:
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| 13:43 | <Lns> oooooommmmmmm
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| 13:44 | <sbalneav> Oh Great Resolver, who's CNAMES always resolve to valid A's...
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| 13:44 | Meh, I could go on, but I think I beat that joke to death :)
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| 13:45 | * Lns starts talking in DNS toungue... SET Q=A SERVER NS.DOMAIN.COM SET Q=NS NS.DOMAIN.COM | |
| 13:45 | * Lns jumps wildly in pew | |
| 13:45 | <johnny> jon stewart really took it to apple on the dailyshow.. i was suprised
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| 13:46 | <Lns> johnny: what'd he say?
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| 13:46 | <johnny> he accused them of becoming "the man"
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| 13:46 | you really should watch it
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| 13:47 | there are quotes around too tho
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| 13:48 | <Lns> haha
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| 13:48 | well jobs really is kind of a power hungry guy
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| 13:48 | <Lns> it'd be interesting to see if apple was in microsoft's position
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| 13:49 | couldn't imagine it being any better as far as vendor lock-in and antitrust lawsuits
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| 13:49 | Gadi: ping?
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| 13:50 | <johnny> well he mentioned bill gates as commandante gates
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| 13:51 | <Lns> you know, honestly I *like* Linux not being #1
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| 13:52 | <johnny> why?
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| 13:52 | it's not like you couldn't fork
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| 13:52 | i don't mind if linux is number #1.. because the important thing is that the #1 is free ..
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| 13:52 | <Lns> true. But once you get the masses demanding this and that....
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| 13:52 | <johnny> sure.. that's what ubuntu is for..
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| 13:52 | <Lns> hahaha, true.
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| 13:53 | * Lns hugs his debian | |
| 13:53 | <sbalneav> All I've ever wanted was a level playing field.
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| 13:54 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: try nebraska
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| 13:54 | <sbalneav> My ideal scenario would be 33.3% windows, 33.3% Max, 33.4% Linux .
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| 13:54 | <Lns> sbalneav: I think the oss community is at an advantage actually, it's just that people don't understad the advantage we have. They're still drinking the proprietary kool-aid
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| 13:54 | <sbalneav> Mac, sorry.
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| 13:55 | <Lns> BUT WHAT ABOUT BeOS?!?!?
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| 13:55 | <sbalneav> Ok, 25% win 25% mac 25% Linux 25% everything else :)
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| 13:56 | But the point is: everything should interoperate, no matter what you choose.
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| 13:56 | And I shouldn't have to pay a MS tax on a new machine for something I'm promptly going to uninstall.
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| 13:56 | Let all the vendors compete on features. May the best OS win.
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| 13:57 | <Lns> Software is such an interesting philosophical topic. I wonder in some world far away that uses computers (or something similar) if they have the capatalistic mentality to restrict its use based on monetary gain for the creators or not
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| 13:57 | imagine where we'd be if that mentality was non-existant
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| 13:57 | <sbalneav> Lns: Imagine if Ford got to dictate how roads were built, but no other car manufacturer did.
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| 13:57 | <Lns> sbalneav: seriously!!
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| 13:58 | <sbalneav> That's the situation we're in now.
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| 13:58 | <Lns> great analogy
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| 13:58 | "Oh crap, I have a Nissan, we have to turn around, this is an MS only road
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| 14:00 | <Ghid0rah> Does anyone know anything about the LTSP Load Balancing?
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| 14:01 | <Lns> stgraber: ^^^ ;)
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| 14:02 | <sbalneav> !docs
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| 14:02 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 14:02 | <sbalneav> Ghid0rah: ^^^
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| 14:03 | there's load-balancing info in the docs.
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| 14:03 | As well, if you're on Ubuntu:
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| 14:03 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSP-Cluster
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| 14:04 | <Oebele> Most IT people think the Microsoft way, they don't know of an other (OSopensource) solution
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| 14:06 | <sbalneav> And that's because, in a lot of situations, MS owns the road.
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| 14:06 | You buy a corportate worstation, it comes with windows.
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| 14:06 | Uninstalling it, in many cases "voids the warrenty"
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| 14:07 | <Oebele> OKay, but OpenSource owns most of the internet road, and more and more people are becoming aware of this.
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| 14:07 | <Lns> imagine if you could only put a certain brand of gasoline in your car.
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| 14:07 | Oebele: unfortunately most people don't know the difference between their computer and the internet.
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| 14:08 | <sbalneav> Oebele: True, in some regards. But witness Active Directory, which was MS taking a free and open standard and twiddling with it *just enough* to make it propriatary.
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| 14:09 | <Lns> sbalneav: in ms's defence, though, so did Novell with NDS
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| 14:09 | <sbalneav> Now, instead of running a bog-standard LDAP+Kerberos setup, and having it work with windows, you can ONLY run AD if you're on Wwindows.
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| 14:09 | <Lns> and that was before AD...MS pretty much ripped off NDS
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| 14:09 | <sbalneav> Lns: yeah, there's been other guilty parties at this, for sure.
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| 14:09 | <Oebele> Lns: agree, but the trend is (slow of course) that more and more IT people see the Opensource light.
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| 14:09 | OS is a product of the internet, and it is slowly growing, and can't be stopped.
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| 14:10 | <Lns> Oebele: i wouldn't say oss is a product of the internet.. it's been around much longer than that
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| 14:10 | the earliest software written was pretty much public domain / open source /whatever you want to call it at the time
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| 14:10 | <sbalneav> What I find so amazing is, for a society that values competetion, and free market values so much, there doesn't seem to be as much push on standardization in the computer world as there should be. Standardiztion DRIVES competition and free markets.
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| 14:11 | <Lns> sbalneav: i think we're getting there. Our world society moves very slow. We're kind of the pioneers of the technology world, we have to show everyone how it's gonna be
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| 14:11 | <Oebele> Lns: in the early days shareware, but 4 example Linux is a true product of internet.
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| 14:12 | <Lns> Oebele: shareware was after what i was talking about
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| 14:12 | <sbalneav> We have so many tire manfacturers BECAUSE wheel sizes are standardized. We have so many cars BECAUSE the user interface for driving is standardized. We have a fuel infrastructure BECAUSE gasoline & octane's standardized.
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| 14:12 | <Oebele> Lns: ;]
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| 14:12 | <Lns> nobody considered paying for software until pretty much microsoft came around
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| 14:12 | well sorry that's innacurate
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| 14:12 | software on PCs
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| 14:13 | <sbalneav> I bought a WikiReader the other day.
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| 14:13 | <johnny> is that true? Lns ..
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| 14:13 | that's not true based on what i've read
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| 14:13 | people were selling games before that
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| 14:13 | <sbalneav> http://thewikireader.com
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| 14:13 | Love. It.
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| 14:13 | <Lns> johnny: maybe operating systems
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| 14:14 | sbalneav: !!!
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| 14:14 | <johnny> microsoft wrote the first basic interpreter
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| 14:14 | for the altair*
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| 14:14 | their first product
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| 14:14 | they did sell that..
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| 14:14 | because the altair came with notin
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| 14:14 | nothin*
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| 14:15 | <Lns> sbalneav: how is the UI on it? Looks a bit cumbersome
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| 14:15 | tell me a bit about it
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| 14:16 | <johnny> Lns, i'm no fan of microsoft.. but no.. you can't blame them for that
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| 14:16 | they just happened to be a company around at at the time when the software started costing more than the hardware to produce
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| 14:16 | <sbalneav> It's really cool.
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| 14:17 | Glass touch screen
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| 14:17 | <johnny> software came free before.. because the computers costed millions or 100,000s
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| 14:17 | <sbalneav> "clickable" links on all the articles
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| 14:17 | <sbalneav> scroll by finger on the screen
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| 14:17 | Stupid long battery life on a couple of AAA's (90 hours use)
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| 14:18 | Software's open source, so you can always update it yourself
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| 14:18 | and, best of all:
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| 14:18 | BUILT IN FORTH INTEPRETER!!
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| 14:19 | <Ghid0rah> sbalneav: The LTSP Documentation says "either on a random, load-based, or round robin system. See for details."
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| 14:19 | <sbalneav> I learned forth, like, 25 years ago, still have a fondness for it.
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| 14:19 | <Ghid0rah> I'm not sure what to see for details
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| 14:19 | <Lns> sbalneav: does it do graphics?
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| 14:19 | <sbalneav> Lns: No, text only, but someone's trying to write graphics for it.
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| 14:19 | <Lns> sbalneav: looks very promising! Something I'd love to show my school IT folks
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| 14:20 | <sbalneav> Ghid0rah: Yup, there's nothing there. :)
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| 14:21 | I suppose when I originally wrote that I was expecting to have another chapter on it.
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| 14:21 | Ah. I'd say it should point to the "Dispatching method" section.
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| 14:23 | <traien> I've been having this usb memory stick problem for two weeks now. I am using Ubuntu 10.04 AMD64 and also the clients use 64-bit environment. The problem is that the usb keys won't mount properly. When inserted into clients' usb ports they are not mounted. When I log on to the client's own chroot environment the client recognizes the plug event and I can mount the stick locally - but "ssh -X -S /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.0.1 192.
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| 14:23 | <Ghid0rah> Awesome thanks.
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| 14:24 | <traien> error. When the usb stick is inserted into the server's usb port it appears on clients' deskstops but it's not readable. That shouldn't happen, right? Is there anything I could try or should I just file a bug raport?
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| 14:24 | <sbalneav> traien: Yup, ltspfs doesn't work correctly on 64 bit clients.
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| 14:25 | I expect there's something in the code that isn't 64 bit safe, but I haven't had the time to track it down.
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| 14:25 | <traien> sbalneav: Ok, thanks for the information.
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| 14:25 | <sbalneav> It's a known bug
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| 14:26 | <traien> So if I used 32-bit client environment the memory stick would mount ok?
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| 14:29 | <Ghid0rah> sbalneav: I don't understand the dispatching session
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| 14:29 | Say I have two LTSP servers
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| 14:29 | I have the TFTP server on Server A
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| 14:29 | but I want to load balance between the two
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| 14:30 | how would the dispatching function if it is loading off of Server A's TFTP?
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| 15:27 | <alkisg> Gadi: if I put DNS_SERVER='1.2.3.4 5.6.7.8' in lts.conf, getltscfg -a gives me ''DNS_SERVER="1.2.3.4 5.6.7.8", with the single quotes in the left of DNS_SERVER. That's a bug, it isn't by design, right?
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| 15:28 | <johnny> fun
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| 15:29 | <alkisg> It seems that someone hated single quotes... :P
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| 15:35 | <denisesball> alkisg: you noticeing the windows drop shadow effect on 10.04 even with effect disabled?
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| 15:36 | <alkisg> denisesball: no, I don't have shadows
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| 15:36 | <denisesball> dunno where those came from all of a sudden
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| 15:38 | <denisesball> must be cuz i logged into an 8.03 server with the same home directory
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| 15:39 | <alkisg> http://images.maketecheasier.com/2009/12/ubuntukarmic-bootup-screen.png
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| 15:39 | sorry
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| 15:40 | <denisesball> that wasnt for me was it?
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| 15:40 | <alkisg> Nope, wrong window
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| 15:40 | <denisesball> k
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| 15:52 | <denisesball> alkisg: tried LDM_DIRECTX=true and it seemed to help flash performance, but firefox is still hanging hard sometimes
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| 15:53 | yahoo.com took a while to load
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| 15:53 | <alkisg> denisesball: maybe it's a graphics driver issue, what graphics card do you have on the client?
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| 15:53 | <denisesball> going back to youtube is taking forever
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| 15:53 | i think it might be the npviewer
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| 15:54 | the server is 64-bit and the PCs are 32-bit
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| 15:54 | the terms are old optiplex gx100 ibms
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| 15:55 | browsing around on youtube takes forever to open certain pages
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| 15:55 | think it could be the 64-bit flash and npviewer thing? ive never been comfortable with that
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| 15:55 | wonder if the beta native 64-bit plugin is a better idea
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| 16:15 | <alkisg> Also give chromium + chromium-codecs-extra + html5 a try...
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| 20:25 | <lipinski> Any reference material that can provide info on how to configure LTSP on Ubuntu when you have a Router serving DHCPd - where you can't control it settings? i.e., necessary PXE parameters?
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