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Channel log from 2 January 2015 (all times are UTC)
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| 17:36 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: Do you have time for a couple quick (in the span of eternity) questions?
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| 18:00 | <andygraybeal> what is that remote access app that alkisg made? does it work for non-LTSP type situations?
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| 18:01 | <bennabiy> andygraybeal: are you referring to Epoptes?
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| 18:01 | <andygraybeal> ah yes Epoptes
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| 18:01 | I just foudn someting called Guacamole .. i'm going to research this
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| 18:01 | <bennabiy> andygraybeal: I would recommend x2go for non LTSP situations, if the destination is a linux box
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| 18:02 | <andygraybeal> yea, i agree.. x2go thank you!
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| 18:02 | i haven't used x2go in forever :)
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| 18:02 | <bennabiy> It has really come a long ways
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| 18:03 | I am running into an issue where users cannot plug in an external DVD drive into a thin client and use it. It might be different if it is hooked up when the client loads... Thoughts?
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| 18:04 | <andygraybeal> not from me, if your asking me. i had problems with usb drives not being recognized.. but i remember i fixed it.. it's been years.
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| 18:55 | <muppis> !local
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| 18:55 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'local', but I do know about these similar topics: 'install-localapp', 'localdev', 'localapps-print', 'RDP-localdev', 'localapps', 'LocaldevCommonGroupWorkaround', 'localxterm', 'local-disks', 'local-boot'
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| 18:55 | <muppis> !local-boot
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| 18:55 | <ltsp> local-boot: If you want LTSP fat clients on a low-speed network, you can put i386.img on e.g. C:\Boot\LTSP\i386.img and use this command line in pxelinux.cfg: APPEND ro initrd=ltsp/i386/initrd.img init=/sbin/init-ltsp root=/dev/sda1 rootflags=ro loop=/Boot/LTSP/i386.img; IPAPPEND 3
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| 19:01 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: It seems I am running into the same issue as someone on the mailing list about the cdpinger etc. Did you change only the debian code, which would still need to be ported to Ubuntu / Mint or is it a LTSPwide change?
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| 19:09 | !ltspfs
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| 19:09 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'ltspfs', but I do know about these similar topics: 'ltspfs-source'
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| 19:09 | <bennabiy> !ltspfs-source
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| 19:09 | <ltsp> ltspfs-source: at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltspfs-trunk/files
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| 19:38 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 19:39 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: let me check on ltspfs
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| 19:40 | i do recall alkisg doing some checks on ubuntu
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| 19:42 | bennabiy: what version of ltspfs/ltspfsd?
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| 19:44 | bennabiy: far as I can tell, the udev rules are just using upstream since 1.3.x
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| 19:44 | * bennabiy waves at vagrantc | |
| 19:45 | <bennabiy> let me check on versions... this is at one of my remote labs
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| 19:45 | on a side note, how is progress towards 6?
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| 19:46 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: haven't seen much, really.
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| 19:46 | <bennabiy> I understand that one...
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| 19:46 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: sbalneav put a bit of work into some new libpam/libnss framework ideas ...
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| 19:47 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: That is encouraging. Documented?
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| 19:49 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: just a few conversations with sbalneav in irc
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| 19:49 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: 1.3-1
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| 19:50 | Do you have any thoughts why usb drives and external dvd drives would not work on my thin clients?
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| 19:50 | It seems to be something that changed with 14.04
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| 19:51 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: shouldn't be any differences between ubuntu and debian
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| 19:51 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: That is what I thought
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| 19:52 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: 1.2 dropped cdpinger entirely
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| 19:53 | just uses udev rules
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| 19:53 | <bennabiy> Hmm. So it must be something else. I just noticed what you had said to Michael on the mailing list
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| 19:54 | * vagrantc doesn't recall | |
| 19:54 | <vagrantc> basically, it comes down to "does udev give us the right information?"
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| 19:56 | i can't test all possible device combinations, but i did go so far as to test USB CD and DVD drives, internal DVD drive, external USB hard drive, and USB sticks
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| 19:57 | might have even test a usb floppy drive... though i recall having a hard time finding working media
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| 19:58 | <bennabiy> you could find a relic on ebay for $5-$10 ;)
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| 19:58 | I used to have windows 1.0 on 5 1/4
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| 19:59 | Back when floppies really were floppy
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| 19:59 | <vagrantc> it's all a matter of degree.
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| 19:59 | * bennabiy mutters something about flopping them in the trash... | |
| 19:59 | <bennabiy> true
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| 20:00 | <vagrantc> for example, my laptop is floppier than i'd like
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| 20:00 | <bennabiy> HAH!
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| 20:00 | <vagrantc> ok, i got to pretend to have artistic sense, to get ldm-themes updated in Debian ASAP
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| 20:01 | <bennabiy> I know that feeling!
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| 20:01 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: Do you have a suggestion of what I could try remotely to find out why the DVD drive is not working?
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| 20:02 | I can call someone and have them sit down and plug it in etc.
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| 20:38 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: you'd want to monitor the udev events somehow
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| 21:46 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: thank you. I will see what I can come up with. Do you think it might have something to do with sshfs or ltspfs as well, because it shows on the local client, but not to the server
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| 21:47 | I shouldn't have to specify LOCALDEV right? It should be default to true if I remember correctly
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| 21:50 | <vagrantc> should default to true, yes.
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| 21:50 | bennabiy: so that's a whole different world of problems ...
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| 21:50 | bennabiy: if it's not showing up on the server.
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| 21:50 | bennabiy: is it running systemd?
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| 21:51 | bennabiy: there were two major systemd compatibility issues fixed in 1.4
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| 21:51 | bennabiy: ltspfs 1.4, that is
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| 21:52 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: yes, systemd
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| 21:52 | 204
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| 21:53 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: that explains why it doesn't work, then.
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| 21:53 | <bennabiy> what is the best way to manually pull in 1.4?
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| 21:54 | <vagrantc> i don't believe "best way" exists for most any question
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| 21:54 | <bennabiy> true
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| 21:55 | should I put it in my ppa?
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| 21:55 | <vagrantc> you should be able to rebuild the ltspfs 1.4-1 source package on ubuntu/mint/whatever
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| 21:55 | <bennabiy> that is what I was thinking
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| 21:55 | <vagrantc> if ppa's work for you, it might work
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| 21:55 | <bennabiy> I already have a ppa for some mint custom stuff, so it should be part of the package :)
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| 21:57 | <vagrantc> so mint based on ubuntu 14.04 but using systemd?
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| 21:57 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 21:57 | seems to be
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| 21:57 | <vagrantc> i wonder if your thin client is using systemd
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| 21:57 | <bennabiy> hmmm. that is a good question
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| 21:57 | <vagrantc> because then it shouldn't have worked on the client-side either
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| 21:57 | <bennabiy> let me check
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| 21:57 | <vagrantc> anyways, give 1.4-1~ a try.
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| 21:59 | <bennabiy> would I need to install it on the client and server?
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| 21:59 | <vagrantc> i'd recommend it
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| 22:00 | in theory you could run 1.3 on the client and 1.4 on the server, or vice-versa ... but it fixes bugs in both sides.
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| 22:00 | <bennabiy> I will put it on both
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| 22:00 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: https://tracker.debian.org/news/564595
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| 22:02 | <bennabiy> thank you
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| 22:05 | Is the code on launchpad the most recent?
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| 22:05 | vagrantc: ^
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| 22:06 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: the code?
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| 22:06 | <bennabiy> the source
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| 22:06 | as far as 1.4-1
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| 22:06 | <vagrantc> you'll want to build from the 1.4 tag
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| 22:07 | <bennabiy> ok
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| 22:07 | <vagrantc> and i apparently failed to tag the debian revision
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| 22:07 | * vagrantc should just switch to git for the debian packaging source tree. | |
| 22:08 | <vagrantc> tagging is the one feature i need to use bzr for still.
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| 22:08 | <bennabiy> that would make things easier :) I have had my head in the dough for the last few months and am getting fuzzier and fuzzier on things.
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| 22:09 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: in the debian packaging branch, the last commit i have is "Upload ltspfs 1.4-1 to unstable."
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| 22:09 | bennabiy: so unless the mirroring to launchpad is broken, that should be current, too.
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| 22:11 | <bennabiy> The last commit in launchpad is a change in configure.ac to 1.4 from 1.3
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| 22:11 | I do not see Upload ltspfs 1.4-1 to unstable
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| 22:11 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: the packaging branch is a separate branch
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| 22:12 | bennabiy: upstream doesn't include the debian dir
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| 22:15 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: thank you. I missed that
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| 22:26 | vagrantc: is the ltspfs-debuan-packaging the right one to use?
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| 22:26 | err, ltspfs-debian-packaging
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| 22:30 | <vagrantc> sounds about right ... i don't interact with the launchpad branches directly for the debian bits ... it's just a mirror of alioth.debian.org branches
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| 22:30 | sometimes the mirroring breaks and i don't notice for months
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| 22:31 | <bennabiy> heh
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| 22:36 | hmm. Looks like it is not systemd, it is upstart on both
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| 22:36 | systemd is installed, but not being used
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| 22:36 | pid 1 is still /sbin/init
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| 22:55 | Umm. vagrantc: getting a failed build due to ./ChangeLog not found
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| 23:00 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: you'll need to create one.
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| 23:00 | bennabiy: touch ChangeLog if you're lazy.
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| 23:01 | bennabiy: bzr log --short > ChangeLog
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| 23:01 | <bennabiy> bah. I just requested a build from alkis ltspfs-daily
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| 23:01 | <vagrantc> for something a little more real
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| 23:01 | i bet alkisg has the recipies you need
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| 23:01 | <bennabiy> yup
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| 23:02 | why recreate the wheel :)
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| 23:09 | bah, his did the same thing.
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| 23:10 | Does that mean I need to pull your packaging and then make that change and nest to my own packaging?
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| 23:11 | <vagrantc> i just do it the easy way.
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| 23:12 | launchpad makes an otherwise easy process complicated...
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| 23:12 | <bennabiy> to true
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| 23:12 | too*
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| 23:12 | <vagrantc> though the autobuilders are nice
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| 23:13 | <bennabiy> I have thought about trying to set one up myself, but do not have near enough time
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| 23:42 | Finally got it to work
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| 23:42 | Going to have to wait till after the weekend to see if it fixed it or not
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| 23:42 | Thank you for your help vagrantc
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