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Channel log from 7 March 2017 (all times are UTC)
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| 08:14 | <ZAJDAN> erka
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| 08:16 | so yesterday I tested one Thin client(prehistoric Celeron, RAM 512 266MHz, diskless, 100MB eth)...and I am surprised how nice it works
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| 08:17 | in this station Iam connected via RDP to win server and the work is same as on native machine! super :_)
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| 08:18 | <alkisg> Did you try to watch a fullscreen youtube video?
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| 08:32 | <ZAJDAN> not :_) it will kill the machine
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| 08:32 | but I could try it
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| 09:35 | <ZAJDAN> alkisg: please how was the option for save password(unlock screensaver) in tls.conf ?
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| 09:38 | <alkisg> !password
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| 09:38 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'password', but I do know about these similar topics: 'ROOT_PASSWORD_HASH', 'LDM_PASSWORD_HASH'
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| 09:38 | <alkisg> !LDM_PASSWORD_HASH
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| 09:38 | <ltsp> LDM_PASSWORD_HASH: LDM_PASSWORD_HASH=True in lts.conf saves the password hash to /etc/shadow on login, so that the users can unlock the screensaver etc. If they happen to change their password though, that only takes effect until logout.
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| 09:39 | <ZAJDAN> thnx
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| 09:49 | is somehow possible in similar way solve keyring?
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| 09:50 | <alkisg> No, LDM doesn't know how to unlock the default keyring
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| 09:50 | You'd need to replace LDM, which is much harder
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| 09:51 | <ZAJDAN> in MATE is the problem(with keyring) when is used autologin and ussual way how to solve is put into /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/ ...conf..new option autologin-user=myuser
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| 09:52 | then in keyring reset to password with empty value....then is the keyring not annoying anymore
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| 09:53 | but in the case LTSP is autologin set in lts.conf
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| 09:54 | and when I will set autologin into the lightdm conf it will be just for one the user
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| 10:33 | <ZAJDAN> the keyring is really terrible
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| 12:20 | <muppis> Other way round is set up the OpenLDAP authentication to clients. But in most cases it's killing a bug with a truck.
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| 12:24 | <ZAJDAN> in my case I would like to use Remmina...and remmina save password into gnome-keyring
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| 12:25 | yes of course I could use RDP via command xfreerdp syntax, but remmina give me nice features, like a screenshot to predefined path and so on
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| 12:31 | but for now I have to use RDP via native xfreerdp on all thin clients, maybe alkisg and vagrant in the future will find a way how to force LDM communicate with keyring
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| 12:32 | anyway I am happy with their work, because the most important things works nice
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| 12:55 | <alkisg> Nah, LDM won't communicate with the keyring, but in the future, LTSP 6 will use lightdm or whatever other PAM-capable DM is preinstalled with the distro
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| 13:02 | <ZAJDAN> is also solution do not use LDM? but classic disk partitions?
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| 13:07 | <ZAJDAN> and how it is with KDE wallet? there is it ok?
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| 14:14 | <alkisg> ZAJDAN: no, nothing will automatically unlock with ldm because ldm isn't part of the pam stack
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| 14:15 | It's possible to use lightdm with ltsp instead of ldm, but it's very difficult, it's part of what will be ltsp 6 in the future, so unsupported for now
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| 14:42 | <highvoltage> uu/win 61
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| 15:35 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 15:50 | <alkisg> Morning!
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| 16:03 | <ZAJDAN> hi...here will be evening :_)
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| 16:04 | <alkisg> Same here :
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| 16:06 | <ZAJDAN> I am thinking waht is better...keep old iron as Thin client(512MB RAM, Celeron)....or incease RAM to 1GB a make FAT client from the station
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| 16:06 | Thin client - takes power from server yes?
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| 16:07 | <sbalneav> Depends. Do you want to do video or youtube at all on the thin client?
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| 16:07 | <alkisg> What's the exact client CPU, and what is the server CPU/RAM?
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| 16:08 | <sbalneav> If so, then fat client is better
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| 16:09 | <ZAJDAN> Celeron M 1GHz - on client ...server Xeon 1-core asociated 2GB RAM
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| 16:10 | no video on client...just RDP, and read pdf, mail
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| 16:10 | <alkisg> I can't find it in cpubenchmark, is that the actual model from cat /proc/cpuinfo?
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| 16:10 | E.g. http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=intel+celeron+m+1.50ghz => this is 1.5 GHz
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| 16:11 | 2 GB RAM on the server is too little to support thin clients though
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| 16:11 | <ZAJDAN> it works good even with 1GB on server! :_)
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| 16:12 | cat /proc/cpuinfo returns CPU of server
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| 16:12 | on client
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| 16:13 | <alkisg> Run it locally from epoptes
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| 16:13 | Right click, open root terminal etc
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| 16:16 | <ZAJDAN> Intel Celeron M processor 1GHz
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| 16:17 | <alkisg> Meh, I can't find that in the intel site or anywhere. ANyway
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| 16:19 | <ZAJDAN> probably: https://ark.intel.com/products/27158/Intel-Celeron-M-Processor-ULV-373-512K-Cache-1_00-GHz-400-MHz-FSB
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| 16:21 | <ZAJDAN> http://ark.intel.com/products/27158/Intel-Celeron-M-Processor-ULV-373-512K-Cache-1_00-GHz-400-MHz-FSB
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| 16:21 | this one will be there
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| 16:21 | <alkisg> Eh anyway, I'm guessing somewhere around 220 score, it doesn't very good
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| 16:21 | It might be best as thin client
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| 16:21 | *it doesn't sound very good
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| 16:21 | <ZAJDAN> as thin client it work nice..what should works there...works nice
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| 16:22 | so I will let it be as thin
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| 16:22 | <alkisg> You can run rdp as a localapp though, or in screen_07, it will help
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| 16:22 | You can also run remmina as a localapp
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| 16:22 | <ZAJDAN> but for remmina I will need create script yes
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| 16:23 | <alkisg> No, it's a different thing
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| 16:23 | Try this:
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| 16:23 | ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 16:23 | Did it open an xtern?
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| 16:23 | xterm?
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| 16:23 | (on the client)
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| 16:23 | <ZAJDAN> mnt
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| 16:24 | <alkisg> From that xterm, run remmina. Then remmina will run locally. See if it is any better; then you can put it to the menus as well.
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| 16:24 | Be back in 30'...
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| 16:24 | <ZAJDAN> ok
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| 16:24 | I also gonna eat something
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| 16:25 | completely empty :(
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| 16:28 | yes ....on client runs: ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 16:28 | from there I started remmina
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| 16:28 | will try the difference
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| 16:51 | <alkisg> This is like running only one application in "fat client" mode, while the rest of the client is in "thin mode"
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| 18:29 | <markus_e92> Hi all, I have a user, which is member of a group that gid is higher than 1000. the group group has gid 1003. ltsp create a temporary group of name=ltsp_temporary_group_1003, GID=1001
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| 18:30 | someone knows why that is? it's only with groups that is higher than 10000
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| 18:41 | <alkisg> markus_e92: do you have root access to a client?
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| 18:42 | E.g. with epoptes or with ssh or with SCREEN_02=shell?
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| 18:42 | Also, distro/version?
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| 18:42 | The ltsp_temporary_group_1003 is supposed to get renamed when the X01-localapps script finishes
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| 18:43 | That's only used when the group has "invalid" characters
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| 18:44 | <markus_e92> alkisg: thanks that's it, my group is called "Default"
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| 18:44 | the "D" is the problem :)
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| 18:45 | in the X01-localapps there is this: test $(expr match "$1" '[a-z_][a-z0-9_-]*[$]*') -eq ${#1}
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| 18:45 | <alkisg> Yes I also mention where I got this from there
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| 18:45 | <markus_e92> alkisg: thanks for the tip
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| 18:45 | <alkisg> # The regex is from `man useradd`, and all of "$1" must match it.
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| 18:45 | markus_e92: but note that this *shouldn't* be an issue
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| 18:46 | It gets in a renaming logic, which is supposed to work properly and create the "Default" group even if it has a capital letter
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| 18:46 | So if it chokes in your setup, there's a bug somewhere
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| 18:46 | So... distro/version?
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| 18:48 | If you still have a-z there in that regex, it should be some older ltsp version...
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| 18:48 | <markus_e92> alkisg: right now I have no access to my ltsp setup, but I will try it tomorrow
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| 18:48 | <alkisg> I've updated the regex since then, because [a-z] is locale-sensitive and breaks things
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| 18:48 | You don't know which distribution you have?
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| 18:48 | <markus_e92> Kubuntu 16.04 LTS
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| 18:49 | <alkisg> Hrm, that's quite strange, maybe you have an older chroot?
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| 18:49 | Did you update from 14.04 and forgot to update the chroot?
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| 18:49 | <markus_e92> I found the X01-localapps file only at google, because I have not access to my ltsp setup right now
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| 18:50 | <alkisg> Ah ok
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| 18:50 | <markus_e92> that was a bit old :)
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| 18:50 | sorry
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| 18:50 | <alkisg> !ltsp-source
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| 18:50 | <ltsp> ltsp-source: at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/files
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| 18:50 | <alkisg> That makes sense :)
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| 18:50 | So, if you have 16.04, it's probably a bug that needs to be solved there
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| 18:54 | <markus_e92> alkisg: do you have experience with KDE ltsp fatclient setup? I'm working on a setup for 30 user, but I don't know if the server is fast enough (6 cores with 2 GHZ)
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| 18:55 | client: core i3 (4cores 3,2 Ghz)
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| 18:55 | <alkisg> markus_e92: in fat clients, the server doesn't need to be fast, so it's more than enough
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| 18:56 | I haven't used a KDE ltsp setup, markit reports some login lag due to big cached data created each time
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| 18:57 | ...he was wishing that some ltsp developer would test kde and solve that issue... but I don't think any ltsp dev uses kde :
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| 19:05 | <syrius> i'll be testing ltsp-pnp on opensuse first.. we want to move to it
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| 19:05 | :o
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| 19:05 | err soon
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| 19:08 | <||cw> people still use KDE?
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| 19:08 | * ||cw ducks | |
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| 19:34 | <alkisg> syrius: cyberorg, the opensuse ltsp maintained, stopped proposing opensuse and is proposing ubuntu nowadays
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| 19:35 | <alkisg> I don't know how well ltsp will be maintained in opensuse in the future
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| 19:35 | <vagrantc> alkisg: you mean with the l-i-fe stuff?
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| 19:35 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 19:35 | He's using ubuntu as the base for his life dvds now
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| 19:36 | <vagrantc> yeah, i saw that, and wondered
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| 19:38 | <alkisg> syrius, what are you using currently?
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| 19:43 | <syrius> alkisg: you mentioned that a while ago. we're still using kiwi ltsp on opensuse
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| 19:44 | 13.2
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| 19:44 | <syrius> i'm not sure how feasible it is for us to create a new server from scratch right now though
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| 19:45 | <alkisg> syrius: ah, forgive me, early alzheimer :P
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| 19:45 | <syrius> :)
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| 19:46 | <alkisg> Whatever works for you; I'm just mentioning what I thought would be useful info.
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| 19:46 | <syrius> man.. cyberorg was the one to help me a couple years back when i did the upgrade from 11 -> 12 -> 13 in one night
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| 19:46 | alkisg: i absolutely appreciate it. i'm just wondering what's stopping ltsp-pnp from functioning on opensuse
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| 19:46 | i understand he's recommending the ubuntu setup
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| 19:47 | <alkisg> I think that it works on opensuse too, and he just thought that ubuntu would be easier to maintain, so I don't know how well opensuse will be maintained in the long run
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| 19:47 | <syrius> yeah, i figured any opensuse install would be fairly custom
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| 19:48 | or would require tweaks at the very least
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| 19:50 | <syrius> but i'm looking forward to trying it out :)
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| 19:51 | <alkisg> I don't know if it will be using the kiwi stuff or not, though
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| 19:51 | ltsp-pnp is pretty much self-contained, it doesn't require support from other frameworks
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| 19:53 | <syrius> yeah that's a bonus
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| 19:53 | my main worry is dependency issues
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| 19:55 | <alkisg> Are your clients good enough to run the OS locally? CPU/RAM?
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| 19:57 | <syrius> alkisg: might need some small upgrades, but they should run fine as fat clients
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| 19:57 | or are you thinking independent box
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| 19:58 | i was considering that. it's actually only a few clients right now
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| 20:17 | <ZAJDAN> vargrant..are You here?
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| 20:19 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 20:19 | <vagrantc> ZAJDAN: make any progress?
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| 20:19 | <ZAJDAN> yes! everything works nice on Jessie
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| 20:19 | <vagrantc> oh good!
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| 20:20 | ZAJDAN: out of curiosity, what was the problem?
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| 20:22 | <ZAJDAN> ltsp-config dnsmasq --overwrite ...then /etc/init.d/dnsmasq restart -SOLVED
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| 20:22 | <alkisg> syrius: no, as fat clients. The requirements for fat are the same as independed, except for the hard disk
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| 20:22 | <vagrantc> ZAJDAN: yay!
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| 20:23 | <ZAJDAN> but what I wanna say You.....on Debian9 - reboot Thin client from Epoptes - doesnt reboot correctly..client during reboot frozen, same with shut down
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| 20:23 | on Jessie work perfectly with same iron(stations)
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| 20:24 | <vagrantc> ZAJDAN: yeah, i've seen that sometimes recently
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| 20:24 | ZAJDAN: in general, i prefer to get bug reports about it, especially at this point in the debian freeze cycle
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| 20:24 | <ZAJDAN> ok will do
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| 20:25 | <vagrantc> ZAJDAN: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting gives some pointers, although i often have to cut and paste what it generates into an email client
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| 20:27 | <ZAJDAN> will be reported from me....any report helps I hope
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| 20:29 | <vagrantc> thanks!
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| 22:02 | <hima> my installation keep error messages
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| 22:10 | <gehidore> which are?
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| 22:21 | <hima> it was relate to gnome-orca
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| 22:21 | i uninstalled it
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| 22:21 | but after doing that
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| 22:22 | my nic had gone
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| 22:33 | <ZAJDAN> not so often NIC's goes to the happy hunting grounds
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| 22:33 | probably some electromagnetic eruption
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