IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 10 November 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:59 | <pingufan> Hi, yesterday I excounterd two occurances of system overload within 1/2 hour. I could find out that they happened when firefox and flashplayer was in use. (Well I don't say that this is the reason, but that it was active.).
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| 07:00 | I uninstalled now flashplayer on the server, so youtube etc. don't work any more and I will watch the system stability now.
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| 07:01 | Meanwhile I tried to enable Direct_X, this didn't change much - the second crash followed soon.
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| 07:01 | Any ideas what can cause this instability?
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| 07:01 | <alkisg> Put the output of `top` on pastebin when you're experiencing the problem
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| 07:02 | If the problem is DIRECTX_, you'll see high sshd usage
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| 07:02 | If the problem is firefox, you'll see high firefox usage
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| 07:02 | If the problem is flash, you'll see high plugin_container usage
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| 07:02 | <muppis> Or nspluginwrapper, if using 32 bit flash in 64 bit system.
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| 07:03 | <pingufan> I have almost no chance when this happens. System load goes rapidely up (20+++, once I saw 170 !) and the system accepts no command any more.
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| 07:03 | The host is 64 bit, the clients don't run local apps and are 32 bit.
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| 07:04 | <alkisg> pingufan: did you apply the limits that I proposed 2 days ago?
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| 07:04 | <muppis> That's ok, but using 32 bit flasplayer in 64 bit Firefox has caused problems.
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| 07:04 | <alkisg> This way users have a maximum load, and can't crash your system
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| 07:04 | <pingufan> I didn't recognize your suggestion.
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| 07:05 | <alkisg> I see. The logs are in /topic if you want to check again.
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| 07:08 | <pingufan> don't find it
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| 07:08 | What shall I search for?
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| 07:09 | <alkisg> Anyway, here's some reading for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_bomb
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| 07:09 | It also has pointers on how to avoid it, if I remember correctly
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| 07:09 | Otherwise, man limits.conf
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| 07:10 | ^ that was my suggestion
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| 07:13 | <pingufan> So you have the idea that on e client possibly causes an attack?
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| 07:14 | <alkisg> It might be accidental, e.g. even due to the problematic flash plugin
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| 07:14 | But the way to deal with it is the same
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| 07:15 | You want to impose limits on cpu usage, on process count per user, etc etc
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| 07:16 | If you get to the point where writing that fork bomb in a shell doesn't crash your system, then you should be able to handle any other problems too
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| 07:16 | <pingufan> man limits.cof reads a little bit unclear.
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| 07:16 | <alkisg> So when you have the problem again, you'll have the time to properly troubleshoot it, see which user/process is to blame, etc
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| 07:16 | If you have problems understanding limits.conf, try asking in your distro channel, it's not at all LTSP related
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| 07:17 | <pingufan> Sure. But this is a very good hint. Thank you.
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| 07:17 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 07:18 | <pingufan> Btw. A normal user cannit install a flashplayer plugin, no? I uninstalled it now (as root).
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| 07:20 | <alkisg> I think he can install plugins locally but I haven't tried
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| 07:28 | <pingufan> alkisg: Something different (to limits): Yesterday I found a description on how to allow passwordless ssh from server -> client. 1. create an rsa key 2. copy the .pub file into /srv/tftpboot/KIWI as "authorized_keys". Well, meanwhile both, the server and all clients were restarted - but I still cannot do a ssh to anyone of them. I get "Permission denied". Is something missing?
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| 07:29 | <alkisg> pingufan: what's your use case with passwordless ssh? Maybe LDM_GUESTLOGIN would suit you better?
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| 07:30 | <pingufan> I want to be able to shut off or reboot a client from the server side. a passwordless ssh would allow me then: "ssh clientname reboot"
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| 07:30 | And then I can do that from a script as I do not have to enter passwords.
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| 07:32 | Currently this clients are entirely out of control, such things make me nervous.
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| 07:32 | <alkisg> Installing ssh in the chroot is considered bad practise, as you expose the private keys unencrypted to the network
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| 07:33 | So anyone with a bit of knowledge can gain root access to your clients and run programs on them
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| 07:33 | And e.g. install keyloggers to get people's passwords etc
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| 07:33 | Check the ubuntultsp wiki, it has another method for client shutdown
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| 07:33 | <pingufan> Somewhere there I found it, if I remember right.
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| 07:34 | <alkisg> Search for client shutdown, and an nc script that listens for commands etc
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| 07:39 | <pingufan> I just read now this http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-limiting-user-process.html and I am unsure about the values to set. You don't have an example setup you can show me?
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| 07:40 | I tend to insert a line @usershard nproc 30 into it.
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| 07:47 | <pingufan> alkisg: Please, only a little assistance: When I create a new user group "clients" and use @clients in limits.conf - must this group be the only one, or can/must I add users as secondary group?
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| 07:47 | <alkisg> pingufan: sorry, work - also I haven't checked the limits.conf recently, I'd have to read the man page too
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| 07:47 | <pingufan> ok. no problem. I thought you know it.
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| 14:08 | <andygraybeal_> got a question... so what if i bridged a vpn in a remote office ... and pxe booted my boxes from the server in the main office? the bridged network would allow dhcp broadcasts... has anyone done this? is it performance prohibitive?
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| 14:09 | <andygraybeal_> both offices have pretty decent pipes
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| 14:10 | <andygraybeal_> is it even possible? i just had the thought a second ago.
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| 14:10 | i should try it
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| 14:11 | <andygraybeal_> i just got my vpn tunnel working after a few days of fumbling with it.. and now i'm thinking that i want to try TAP instead of TUN
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| 14:12 | to get the pxe boot to wokr
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| 14:12 | with openvpn
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| 14:49 | <Matrix3000> good morning everyone
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| 14:49 | how's that new version of ltsp coming? any idea on release date
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| 14:49 | <Hyperbyte> Matrix3000, about 7.
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| 14:50 | <Matrix3000> 7 what?
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| 14:50 | haha
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| 14:51 | if you guys have a deb for me to test, I can fire a vm up to test it
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| 14:52 | <Hyperbyte> !ltsp-upstream
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| 14:52 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: ltsp-upstream: Comitters to the LTSP upstream branch on launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream
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| 14:52 | <Hyperbyte> ;-)
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| 14:54 | <Matrix3000> that has the lastest commit
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| 14:54 | sweet
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| 14:59 | <Gadi> its in a bit of disarray atm
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| 14:59 | :)
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| 14:59 | you may want to focus energies on testing other stuff
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| 14:59 | :)
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| 15:00 | <Matrix3000> oh, so you guys are so good at making code lol
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| 15:00 | that you brake it more and more daily huh
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| 15:04 | <Hyperbyte> Matrix3000, making improvements in programming code often requires restructuring certain things. You can't restructure a whole program at once, so many times during development, programs will not work properly.
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| 15:05 | <Matrix3000> i was kidding
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| 15:05 | <Hyperbyte> Matrix3000, this is also why you should really not use daily builds for anything other than testing the code you have developed.
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| 15:05 | Matrix3000, I'm not. :)
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| 15:05 | <Matrix3000> :p
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| 15:06 | <Gadi> actually, I excel at breaking it
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| 15:06 | :)
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| 15:07 | <Hyperbyte> As long as you equally excel at fixing it... ;-)
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| 15:29 | <jammcq> good morning friends
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| 15:30 | <Hyperbyte> Good morning Jim!
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| 15:30 | <jammcq> hey Hyperbyte
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| 15:30 | <Matrix3000> hmmm...is there a way to set up ltsp monitoring
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| 15:30 | like how would i monitor the ltsp service
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| 15:30 | is it possible?
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| 15:31 | is it basically a TCP port 6007 connection attempt
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| 15:31 | if it makes a connection nbd works
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| 15:32 | <Gadi> Matrix3000: ltsp is not a service
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| 15:33 | Matrix3000: you can monitor dhcp, tftp, nbd, ssh
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| 15:33 | <jammcq> it's a way of life :)
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| 15:33 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 15:33 | * Gadi waves to Jim | |
| 15:33 | <jammcq> hey gadi
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| 15:36 | <Matrix3000> how would i monitor nbd
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| 15:36 | by port or ?
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| 15:39 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 15:39 | it runs on one port
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| 15:39 | and spawns a process for each mount
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| 15:41 | <Matrix3000> ok sweet, so i could to a telnet to 6007 and get a connection
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| 15:41 | basically
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| 15:41 | kinda like a port scan
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| 15:41 | if 6007 is up, it's working
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| 15:42 | <Hyperbyte> Matrix3000, depends on how you define "working"... and NBD ports are specified in /etc/inetd.conf for LTSP. Probably not 6007.
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| 15:43 | <Matrix3000> yea, i was just saying, i forgot exactly what it was
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| 15:43 | have to look up teh firewall stuff for ltsp on the wiki
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| 15:43 | <Hyperbyte> 2000/2001 probably. There are tools out there that can monitor system services for you. You don't have to reinvent the wheel.
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| 15:43 | <Matrix3000> i am, im using Zabbix
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| 15:43 | <Hyperbyte> Ah. :)
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| 15:43 | <Matrix3000> just need to make rules that monitor it
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| 15:44 | i actually have zabbix monitoring all the thin clients too
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| 15:44 | well "fat clients" anyways
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| 15:44 | working on figuring out how to do it for "thin clients"
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| 23:02 | <laurei> hello termies. *waves* what is the best way of installing network printers for fat clients? should i create a print server on the ltsp server, or install the printers to the chroot?
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