IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 24 September 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:09 | <kwak> johnny, yeah, you're right, but i'm not familiar with other distros. i tried edubuntu, but it's very slow (clients).
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| 00:10 | <johnny> ltsp exists for fedora
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| 00:10 | if you're more familiar with that
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| 00:10 | <kwak> i also tried the fedora 9 based ltsp5 but tweaking is a bit of work.
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| 00:11 | <johnny> it will probably be worth it.. you'll actually be able to find some help for that
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| 00:11 | as far as ubuntu ltsp goes
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| 00:11 | <kwak> and not as easy as k12ltsp 5, but i'm waiting for the final release of fedora 9.
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| 00:11 | <johnny> try with LDM_DIRECTX=T
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| 00:11 | or Y rather
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| 00:11 | in lts.conf
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| 00:12 | <kwak> you mean for edubuntu?
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| 00:12 | i can't mess around with it for now. school started and students are using it.
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| 00:12 | it = computer lab
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| 00:39 | <vlt> Hello. I just switched from LTSP on Ubuntu 6.06 to Ubuntu 8.04 and now a client with line "X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024" in lts.conf runs on 800x600 ("(II) MACH64(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range)
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| 00:40 | ") Any idea where to look first?
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| 04:51 | <Pascal_1> bonjour
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| 05:28 | <moldy> hi
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| 05:38 | <moldy> some simple usb sticks are not auto-mounted on my clients. locally on the server, the auto-mounting works. some other usb sticks do work on the clients. any ideas?
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| 05:56 | <moldy> how should i begin debugging ltspfs?
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| 05:56 | i am somewhat stuck since there are no logfiles on the client
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| 05:57 | if i attach a usb stick, the client system recognizes the stick and i can manually mount it fine, but it is not auto-mounted
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| 06:06 | <lejo_> moldy: what distro?
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| 06:08 | <moldy> lejo_: ubuntu
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| 06:08 | the current stable, what is it called again? hardy i think
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| 06:08 | locally on the server, automounting usb sticks works
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| 06:08 | so i guess it is an ltspfs problem
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| 06:10 | <lejo_> I had something similar and it was something very stupid. the directory in which the automount script is did not have executable rights
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| 06:15 | <moldy> where is the automount script?
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| 06:15 | i really feel lost with ltsp because i never can find any documentation on stuff like this :-/
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| 06:21 | and why are there never any error messages when something fails :p
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| 06:31 | <lejo_> moldy: it was in /etc/ltspfs/mounter.d (or something like that)
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| 06:31 | well it was actually the script to show the icons on the desktop
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| 06:47 | <moldy> lejo_: hm
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| 06:47 | lejo_: that script should be there in the client chroot?
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| 06:48 | <moldy> i don't even have a dir /etc/ltspfs, neither on the server not in the client chroot
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| 06:48 | s/not/nor
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| 06:53 | <jimjimovich> Hello all. Anyone know how I can set a different default language for one user or group of users? Ubuntu 8.04 ltsp
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| 06:54 | <moldy> is this ltsp-related, jimjimovich?
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| 06:54 | i think it's a purely server-side thing
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| 06:55 | <jimjimovich> yes, it seems to be. perhaps it's an LDM thing
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| 06:56 | <moldy> i mean: just use the same mechanism you use without ltsp, or does this not work?
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| 06:56 | for me, it does
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| 06:57 | <jimjimovich> well, i've never seen anything but ltsp using LDM instead of GDM before
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| 06:57 | and LDM gives no option for making this the user's default language
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| 06:57 | <moldy> why do you care about ldm/gdm/*dm?
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| 06:57 | afaik, that controls only the language *inside ldm*
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| 06:57 | <moldy> just set the language in gnome
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| 06:58 | <moldy> or use the usual environment variables, or whatever
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| 06:59 | <jimjimovich> i have absolutely no idea how to do that. always did it via GDM before
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| 06:59 | <moldy> i didn't know that was even possible
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| 07:00 | i always thought the lm only sets the lm interface language
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| 07:01 | <jimjimovich> if you change the language in gdm when logging in, it asks if you want to make that the default for the user or not. in ldm, it does not ask
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| 07:02 | <moldy> *shrug*
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| 07:02 | use the usual gnome mechanism
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| 07:02 | you are talking about the language in gnome, not in the lm, right?
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| 07:02 | <jimjimovich> yeah, doesn't work.
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| 07:02 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/267503
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| 07:02 | yeah, the gnome language
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| 07:02 | <moldy> it definitely works for me
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| 07:03 | <jimjimovich> so how do i change it in gnome?
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| 07:03 | <moldy> all my users use a non-english gnome language
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| 07:03 | iirc, via the gnome menu
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| 07:03 | <moldy> i'm not at an ltsp client at the moment
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| 07:04 | i am pretty sure there is a gnome menu setting for that, though
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| 07:14 | <jimjimovich> man, i must be dumb. i can't find it anywhere.
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| 07:20 | <jimjimovich> it's interesting, because even the (correct) settings in .dmrc do not override the default language. if i log into the server directly (via gdm) it works, but via a client and ldm, i have to change the language every time
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| 08:07 | <moldy_> hi
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| 08:07 | how do i maintain multiple different chroots/images for the same arch?
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| 08:08 | i would like to create a testing chroot/image
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| 08:14 | <moldy_> hm, "ltspfs myhost:/tmp/drives foo" says: "Cannot open X display."
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| 08:16 | <jimjimovich> looks like the only way to set the default language for a user is to add export LANG=en_US.UTF8
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| 08:16 | export LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF8
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| 08:16 | to .bashrc
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| 08:17 | <moldy_> yep, that's the traditional way
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| 08:18 | <jimjimovich> all the gnome ways only change .dmrc, which LDM ignores. Well, that's good to know.
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| 08:19 | <moldy_> why does gnome-language-selector not work for you?
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| 08:19 | <jimjimovich> no
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| 08:20 | well, yes, it works, but only for setting the default for new users
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| 08:20 | <moldy_> i see
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| 08:21 | <jimjimovich> which also changes the default for new users, because LDM seems to ignore these settings
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| 08:21 | <moldy_> well, using environment vars is the common unix way, afaik
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| 08:21 | <jimjimovich> if you log in via gdm on the server, everything is fine
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| 08:21 | yeah, of course, but not exactly the easy way for non-unix geeks ;)
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| 08:21 | <moldy_> true
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| 08:22 | <Q-FUNK> I really wonder why they never ugraded the specs of C locale to imply en_US.UTF-8 instead of just ASCII
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| 08:22 | <moldy_> i havn't looked at the ldm code yet, but i think it should be easy enough to hack some support for this into it
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| 08:22 | <jimjimovich> i can't find any info about ldm at all
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| 08:22 | <moldy_> jimjimovich: source code ;)
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| 08:23 | as soon as i get some time on my hands i will look at ldm's source code
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| 08:23 | <jimjimovich> of course, why document things when the source code is available somewhere?
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| 08:23 | <moldy_> ltsp documentation is not very good at the moment
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| 08:23 | <jimjimovich> thanks man
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| 08:23 | <moldy_> this affects not just ldm :-/
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| 08:24 | <jimjimovich> well, anyway, this has forced me to learn something
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| 08:24 | <moldy_> Q-FUNK: do you have any suggestions on how to debug ltspfs problems?
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| 08:24 | Q-FUNK: ltspfs inet01:/tmp/drives foo ==> Cannot open X display.
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| 08:24 | <Q-FUNK> moldy_: unfortunately, no.
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| 08:25 | <moldy_> why does it even want to open an x display?
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| 08:29 | <moldy_> finally digged this up using google: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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| 08:29 | geez...
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| 08:30 | ok, i don't have the file /var/run/ltspfs_fstab on the client -- but why not?
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| 08:31 | i guess my udev rules are not firing?
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| 08:55 | <moldy_> hm, it's not possible to maintain multiple ltsp chroots on the same machine? ltsp-update-images seems to screw up my kernels in tftpboot...
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| 10:39 | <dberkholz> johnny: what's the problem with our xorg config?
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| 10:40 | <b-man> hi
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| 10:41 | someone here who remembers me and my ltsp localdev problem?
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| 10:42 | <b-man> ok, we assumed that the problem could be that the group fuse is not local, but in ldap
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| 10:43 | that wasn"t the problem
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| 10:43 | ldap works fine with ltsp and localdevices
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| 10:43 | just wanted to tell you that
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| 10:43 | ^^
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| 10:43 | bye
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| 10:54 | <cliebow> b-man:i thought as much..i think mine works that way..but i amn so far behind
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| 10:54 | i dont dare squeek
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| 10:55 | <b-man> i'm not really sure what the problem was, but now it works :)
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| 10:56 | <cliebow> coolio!!! to quote jammcq
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| 11:02 | <nubae> heh ltsp just saved the day... I set it up at my parents house, where they have 3 windows computers, and one of them just died from hard drive failure... set it to load from network and boom... up and working again
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| 11:42 | <_UsUrPeR_> what does it take to get yum to work in the chroot for Fedora 9?
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| 11:43 | <cyberorg> _UsUrPeR_, not sure if it is required but you can try --bind mounting /proc, /sys and /dev in there before chrooting
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| 11:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> cyberorg: that makes sense. Thanks :D
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| 11:57 | <Gad1> cyberorg: I recently added a line to ltsp-trunk's localapps to make cups in the chroot be a client to the LDM_SERVER, so printing works in local_apps firefox and such - can you test it on kiwi?
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| 11:58 | cyberorg: CUPS on the server needs to be configured to allow connections from the client's subnet and to listen for requests
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| 11:58 | and cups client needs to be in the chroot
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| 11:59 | <cyberorg> Gad1, tomorrow alright? i am on 11.1 b1 and nothing i need works :(
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| 11:59 | *for ltsp
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| 11:59 | <Gad1> hehe
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| 11:59 | np
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| 11:59 | when u get to it
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| 11:59 | <cyberorg> i'll try it on my laptop, it still has 11.1
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| 12:00 | <cyberorg> what configuration i need in chroot?
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| 12:00 | <Gad1> damn it - the brazillian has my nick again!
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| 12:00 | cyberorg: nothing - just install cups client
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| 12:00 | if /etc/cups exists in the chroot, it should work
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| 12:01 | <cyberorg> i think we already have that
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| 12:01 | <nubae> Gad1: I did that with low fat client recently... just needed to point to the server name
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| 12:01 | <Gad1> nubae: right
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| 12:01 | exactly
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| 12:01 | I added the incantation to the local apps script
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| 12:02 | <nubae> cool, I tried your trunk out for ldm... but must be doing something wrong... won't configure or build ''':-)
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| 12:02 | <Gad1> nubae: really?
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| 12:02 | weird
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| 12:02 | <nubae> yep
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| 12:02 | <cyberorg> Gad1, so i build everything from your trunk?
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| 12:02 | <Gad1> cyberorg: no from upstream
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| 12:03 | ltsp-trunk
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| 12:03 | <cyberorg> ok
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| 12:03 | <Gad1> nubae: can you build upstream ldm-trunk?
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| 12:03 | <nubae> haven't tried... I just looked at briefly, might be something stupid like not having autobuild tools or something
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| 12:05 | weird build-essential is installed but I get a ./configure command not found
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| 12:08 | <nubae> gonna try with upstream branch
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| 12:08 | <Gad1> nubae: sound like ur in the wrong directory
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| 12:08 | <cyberorg> nubae, exactly ^^
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| 12:08 | hi ogra :)
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| 12:09 | <nubae> so where should I be in to build...?
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| 12:09 | <cyberorg> nubae, where configure file is
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| 12:10 | <nubae> well, I'm here: nubae@homeserve:~/bzr/ldm-trunk-gadi$
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| 12:15 | <nubae> cyberorg: what am I doing wrong?
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| 12:16 | <cyberorg> nubae, what are you trying to build?
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| 12:16 | <nubae> ldm
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| 12:16 | <cyberorg> nubae, ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr && make && make install
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| 12:17 | Gadi, got yourself back?
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| 12:17 | <nubae> yeah tried that too, but then I seem to have stuff missing... aclocal, autoheader
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| 12:17 | <Gadi> score 1 for the US
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| 12:17 | :)
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| 12:17 | <nubae> I though build-essential did all that
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| 12:17 | <cyberorg> Gadi, you dont have your nick registered?
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| 12:18 | <Gadi> I do
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| 12:18 | somehow that doesnt stop it from being swiped
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| 12:18 | <cyberorg> then you can /nickserv ghost Gadi <password>
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| 12:18 | <Gadi> right - thats what I do - but it takes a few minutes for ghosting to kick in
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| 12:18 | <cceballosb> Hi im deploying a ltsp lab with ldm degraded to xdmcp, my problem is now localdev stop working
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| 12:19 | how can i get them up again?
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| 12:19 | <Gadi> cceballosb: you cannot on ltsp5
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| 12:19 | you should use ldm, but set: LDM_DIRECTX = True
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| 12:20 | <nubae> btw... instructions say do ./configure prefix=/usr && make
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| 12:20 | <cceballosb> Gadi, it still works pretty slow
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| 12:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> quick question about client sessions in Fedora9: how do I specify what is considered the "default" session? Right now, the default is considered gnome. I want KDE to be the default. Removing the gnome.desktop from /usr/share/xsessions did not help :P
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> once you log in, it is identical to xdmcp
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| 12:20 | <cceballosb> i have legacy hardware running and ssh overhead its killing me
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> the only thing that would be slow is bringing up the login screen
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| 12:21 | there is no ssh overhead with LDM_DIRECTX=True
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| 12:21 | <nubae> cceballosb: turns of encryption
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| 12:21 | <cceballosb> but i can notice the difference
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| 12:21 | <Gadi> nubae: not really
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| 12:21 | it just does not tunnel any of the session through ssh
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| 12:21 | <cceballosb> i already tried, i like to use ldm, but this time it just wont work
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| 12:21 | <nubae> no? hmmm, what does it do then?
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| 12:21 | ah ok
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| 12:22 | <cceballosb> nubae: it gets too slow to work on it
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> cceballosb: something else is wrong, then
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| 12:22 | <cceballosb> its there a way to use localdev with xdm on 5 ?
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> because LDM_DIRECTX == straight X
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> just like an xdmcp connection
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| 12:25 | <nubae> weird... so build-essential does not pull in autoconf and automake
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| 12:25 | I remember it doing that
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| 12:26 | someone needs to fix the build instructions too because there is no configure in the file... only an autogen.sh
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| 12:27 | <Gadi> cceballosb: local devices in LTSP5 rely on the ssh tunnel set up by LDM to communicate with the server when a device is inserted
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| 12:27 | no ssh tunnel, no localdev
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| 12:27 | <cceballosb> hmm, but i can make a hack with udev and dbus right?
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| 12:28 | <cyberorg> i had to install bzr-1.8dev-2.3 just to pull ltsp-trunk, earlier versions didnt work
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| 12:33 | <nubae> ./configure: line 4917: syntax error near unexpected token `0.35.0'
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| 12:33 | ./configure: line 4917: `IT_PROG_INTLTOOL(0.35.0)'
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| 12:38 | <Gadi> cceballosb: it would be quite a hack
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| 12:40 | <nubae> hmmm, autogen.sh is giving me some message about adding a bunch of .m4 files from the /aclocal directory to autoconf macro directory...
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| 12:40 | what does that mean exactly?
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| 12:42 | <johnny> no big deal :)
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| 12:42 | <nubae> ah finally... had libtool and intltool missing
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| 12:42 | what the hell is with build-essential, shouldnt it pull all this in?
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| 12:50 | <cceballosb> Ok, Im using ldm again and my local devs are working now, but when i try to authenticate a ldap user it doesnt give me X, it works only when i use a local user
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| 12:51 | <Gadi> cceballosb: can you ssh to that server as an ldap user?
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| 12:52 | <cceballosb> yes, i can even log using gdm
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| 13:03 | <cceballosb> Gadi: Do you have any idea of whats happening?
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| 13:06 | <Gadi> cceballosb: what distro?
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| 13:06 | <cceballosb> kubuntu hardy
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| 13:06 | <Gadi> hmm... you may need to force the default session to kde?
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| 13:06 | hmm...
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| 13:07 | can you try to log in as an ldap user
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| 13:07 | and then, when it fails, check the user's ~/.xsession-errors
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| 13:07 | that should give you a clue
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| 13:08 | <cceballosb> yes i did it, and i get lots of
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| 13:08 | ksmserver: cannot connect to X server
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| 13:08 | ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server!
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| 13:09 | xprop: unable to open display 'localhost:11.0'
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| 13:09 | <Gadi> sounds like you are either not using LDM_DIRECTX or those are old messages
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| 13:09 | because LDM_DIRECTX would set your display to the thin client IP
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| 13:10 | does that user have running processes?
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| 13:10 | could be a DCOP server is still running pointed to localhost:11
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| 13:11 | <cceballosb> ok, lemme check
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| 13:11 | but i have DIRECTX = TRUE
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| 13:11 | <Gadi> hmm... try: True
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| 13:11 | not all caps
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| 13:11 | (not sure if it matters)
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| 13:11 | <cceballosb> its True
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| 13:11 | <Gadi> and it is: LDM_DIRECTX = True
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| 13:12 | like that
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| 13:12 | <cceballosb> yeah
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| 13:12 | <Gadi> ok
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| 13:12 | <cceballosb> ok, the user doesnt hae any running process
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| 13:12 | <Gadi> (spelling counts! ;) )
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| 13:13 | <cceballosb> it wasnt able to boot, but this time i got the desktop image and then it pops out
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| 13:13 | <Gadi> you mean login not boot, right?
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| 13:14 | <cceballosb> ok, my bad .. spelling counts ;)
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| 13:14 | i meant login
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| 13:14 | please excuse me for that
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| 13:14 | <Gadi> no worries
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| 13:14 | do a tail of the xsession-errors file
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| 13:14 | so you get the last messages
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| 13:15 | <cceballosb> do you want me to pastebin .xession errors?
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| 13:15 | <Gadi> sure
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| 13:15 | for that user
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| 13:15 | <cceballosb> ok, letme clean it first
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| 13:16 | http://pastebin.com/m67552b8e
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| 13:19 | <cceballosb> Gadi: what do you think? (im not in a hurry, just sending this message for nickname highlighting)
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| 13:21 | <Gadi> cceballosb: if you comment out LDM_DIRECTX, can an ldap user log in?
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| 13:22 | <cceballosb> give me a second, i have to boot my machine to test for changes in lts.conf right?
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| 13:24 | <Gadi> right
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| 13:27 | <cceballosb> Gadi: you are going to kill me
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| 13:28 | <Gadi> :D
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| 13:28 | <cceballosb> it happens that this monitor was a little to the left (and doesnt has buttons for controlling it) so i couldnt see the # commenting LDM_DIRECTX
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| 13:29 | so it was commented
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| 13:29 | i uncommented it and now it works
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| 13:29 | :(
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| 13:29 | * Gadi wonders what else is commented | |
| 13:29 | <Gadi> :)
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| 13:29 | <cceballosb> well, its like :) Yawee!, but :( because it made me lost two days
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| 13:29 | <Gadi> does your monitor have an autotune button?
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| 13:30 | <cceballosb> Gadi, thanks a lot, im going to test speed again, and check how it performs
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| 13:30 | Gadi: no
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| 13:30 | <Gadi> :(
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| 13:30 | <cceballosb> this is legacy hardware that shipped with the monitor on a box, i only can set brightness and contrast
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| 13:30 | anyway
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| 13:30 | thanks a lot Gadi
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| 13:31 | <Gadi> let us know how it goes
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| 13:31 | <cceballosb> sure
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| 13:31 | i still have to test other users
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| 13:31 | so.. i cant open sessions if there is already another user running process on other client?
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| 13:32 | i meant, the same user running process on another client, cant spawn a new session ?
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| 13:32 | <Gadi> right - I have a script that you can install to kick the other session off
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| 13:32 | if you like
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| 13:33 | <cceballosb> sure, it will come handy if there is a script like the old ltspinfo -h shutdown
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| 13:33 | to make a cron to halt clients at night
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| 13:34 | <cceballosb> and then wakeonlan at morning
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| 13:34 | <Gadi> cceballosb: not in LTSP 5, but you can install sshd in the chroot, exchange a root key, and do your cron job that way
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| 13:34 | <cceballosb> Gadi, thats even better
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| 13:34 | cron to halt will be runing on the client
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| 13:34 | right?
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| 13:35 | <Gadi> no
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| 13:35 | well, you could do that, too
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| 13:35 | but, better on the server
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| 13:35 | something like:
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| 13:35 | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install openssh-server
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| 13:35 | sudo su -
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| 13:36 | ssh-keygen -t dsa -C '' -N '' -f /root/.ssh/id_dsa
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| 13:36 | mkdir /opt/ltsp/i386/root/.ssh
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| 13:36 | <Gadi> cp /root/.ssh/id_dsa.pub /opt/ltsp/i386/root/.ssh/authorized_keys
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| 13:37 | then, you should be able to do things like: ssh root@<thinIP> shutdown -h now
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| 13:37 | as root on the server
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| 13:37 | <cceballosb> Yeah, thanks a lot Gadi, you have been too kind to spare some of your time with me
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| 13:38 | i really appreciate it
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| 13:38 | <Gadi> np
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| 13:38 | don't forget to reroll the chroot image after adding ssh server
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| 13:38 | <cceballosb> ok, ill run the test and let you know what i think of gdm vs ldm with directx
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| 13:38 | sure
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| 13:39 | <Gadi> as I say, they should be identical (short of the login screen)
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| 13:39 | LDM_DIRECTX basically sets the DISPLAY variable to the IP of the client
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| 13:39 | <johnny> beep..
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| 13:39 | <Gadi> so X always goes driectly back
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| 13:39 | (hence the name)
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| 13:40 | <johnny> hmm.. my budget is almost up to $500 ...
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| 13:40 | <cceballosb> ok, time to lunch, thanks a lot
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| 13:41 | gotta go now, ttyl
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| 14:35 | <gm04030276> Hey, having some problems with a general ltsp setup. Followed some directions on ubuntu help site. Thin client get dhcp address etc ok but can't seem to connect to tftp server :(
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| 14:44 | <Gadi> grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
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| 14:45 | if that is empty, add this line to it (as root):
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| 14:46 | tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 14:46 | save, and: sudo /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart
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| 14:48 | <gm04030276> file doesn't exist...im on kubuntu 8.04
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| 14:49 | wait...im just getting inetd confused with initd!
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| 14:49 | hold on...
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| 14:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> gm04030276: are you certain iptables is not blocking connections?
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| 14:52 | <moldy_> hi
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| 14:52 | * _UsUrPeR_ nods | |
| 14:53 | <gm04030276> on port 69? I opened in in the firewall...i can connect to the server from my other computer and this one (that its running on) but just can't get the file i need...and there is no list the directory command to find out where it thinks it is etc
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| 14:53 | ah...
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| 14:53 | we got something different...
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| 14:53 | <_UsUrPeR_> are you using iptables to any effect?
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| 14:54 | <gm04030276> PXE says "Forbidden directory" "TFTP Error - Access Violation" Before hand it just sat there for ages and eventually failed
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| 14:55 | <_UsUrPeR_> :O
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| 14:55 | <Gadi> gm04030276: did you install ltsp-server-standalone?
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| 14:55 | <gm04030276> yes i do, internet access to computers goes through this one but i control everything from firestarter because it can set that up with a click of a button. I tried it the manual way and couldn't get it to work
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| 14:55 | yes, i did install that
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| 14:55 | and ran the command to make the image
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| 14:56 | <moldy_> some usb sticks are auto-mounted fine, others are not. has anyone seen this behaviour?
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| 14:56 | <gm04030276> its all in /opt/ltsp/i386/...
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| 14:56 | <Gadi> gm04030276: restart dhcp-server and try again
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| 14:56 | <johnny> moldy_, if they are unpartitioned.. they won't work
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| 14:57 | <Gadi> also check syslog after restarting and check for errors
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| 14:57 | moldy_: what distro?
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| 14:58 | <gm04030276> Gadi, syslog is tail -f /var/log/syslog | grep tftpd atm :)
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| 14:58 | <Gadi> dont grep
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| 14:58 | look at dhcp's chatter
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| 14:59 | <gm04030276> ok
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| 14:59 | <Gadi> see if it is config'd properly
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| 14:59 | your dhcpd config should be in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 15:00 | make sure all is well in there
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| 15:01 | <gm04030276> does it *have* to be in there? I just commented it out becuase i had a custom one in /etc/dhcpd/ and added the filename "pxelinux.0" to it
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| 15:03 | <_UsUrPeR_> no, it does not *have* to be in there, but there's a provision in the dhcp3-server --- if [ -f /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ] --- that will use the file if it exists
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| 15:04 | does the file still exist?
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| 15:05 | <gm04030276> yes the file is there. I moved my settings over to there and now it says that there is no subnet declaration for bond0 (my internal network)
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| 15:06 | <Gadi> maybe you should pastebot both dhcpd.conf and the output of ifconfig
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| 15:06 | !pastebot
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| 15:06 | <ltspbot`> Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 15:07 | <gm04030276> ok
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| 15:07 | <ltsppbot> "gm04030276" pasted "dhcpd.conf" (35 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/5
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| 15:09 | "gm04030276" pasted "ifconfig" (48 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/6
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| 15:10 | <Gadi> ok, so first, change the "filename" line in your dhcpd.conf
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| 15:10 | and replace it with the if {...
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| 15:10 | stanza
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| 15:10 | that is commented out
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| 15:11 | * Gadi is unclear as to why you commented out the original | |
| 15:11 | <Gadi> your subnet is: 192.168.2.0 not 2.4
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| 15:11 | 2.4 is your IP address
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| 15:12 | if you were to delete the uncommented stuff and go back to the original stuff,
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| 15:12 | <gm04030276> yea, it is set as that in the uncommented bit.
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| 15:12 | <Gadi> you need only change subnet 192.168.2.4 to subnet 192.168.2.0
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| 15:12 | <_UsUrPeR_> that is a nifty pastebot
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| 15:12 | <Gadi> and change next-server to: 192.168.2.4
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| 15:13 | and restart dhcpd
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| 15:13 | <Gadi> also, you need the next-server directive
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| 15:14 | so, I would just go back to the original one you had, and make those 2 changes
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| 15:14 | oh, wait
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| 15:14 | your filenames are really off
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| 15:14 | what distro is this?
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| 15:15 | it should be: /ltsp/i386...
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| 15:15 | <gm04030276> kubuntu 8.04
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| 15:15 | <Gadi> not: /opt/ltsp/i386...
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| 15:15 | <Gadi> your tftp dir is: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/....
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| 15:15 | and it runs in a secure chroot of /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 15:16 | which is why the filename is: /ltsp/i386...
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| 15:17 | <johnny> he said he added it manually
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| 15:18 | <ltsppbot> "Gadi" pasted "Make it look like this...." (22 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/7
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| 15:20 | <gm04030276> ah...see i thought it needed to go to /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/ to the pxelinux.0 file there because /opt/ltsp/ is where something said it was putting things and thats the only place i could find a pxelinux file. I wondered why the docs said i386/pxelinux when i could only find it in the boot dir
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| 15:34 | <Gadi> gm04030276: how'd we do?
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| 15:34 | <gm04030276> ok, almost there...but it doesn't seem to be chrooting as you say it should. I was able to get the pxelinux.0 file to my mac by putting in the full path from /var/lib...
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| 15:35 | <Gadi> thru tftp?
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| 15:35 | <gm04030276> yes
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| 15:35 | <Gadi> grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
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| 15:35 | <gm04030276> tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /var/lib/tftpboot/
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| 15:36 | <Gadi> you should have a "-s" after in.tftpd
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| 15:36 | <gm04030276> ok
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| 15:36 | <Gadi> then restart openbsd-inetd
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| 15:36 | "-s" is the flag that says "use secure chroot..."
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| 15:38 | <gm04030276> see i had that set in /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
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| 15:38 | WOOHOO!!!
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| 15:38 | lots of fun things flew up the screen this time :)
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| 15:38 | <Gadi> gm04030276: "-s" by itself does nothing
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| 15:38 | it needs to be: -s /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 15:39 | <gm04030276> and we have a kubuntu loading screen!
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| 15:39 | OPTIONS="-l -u root -vv -a 192.168.2.4:69 -s /var/lib/tftpboot/"
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| 15:39 | <Gadi> whoa
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| 15:39 | <gm04030276> thats what i had in /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
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| 15:39 | <Gadi> lol
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| 15:39 | <gm04030276> i thought it did that
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| 15:40 | <Gadi> I have: OPTIONS="-l -s /var/lib/tftpboot"
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| 15:40 | that is all
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| 15:40 | but, I don't think that file is referenced when it runs out of inetd
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| 15:40 | <gm04030276> i had that but i was playing about with the different ones when it wasn't working!
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| 15:40 | ah, ok
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| 15:41 | well its now sitting at a desktop!
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| 15:41 | quite quickly if i do say so...
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| 15:41 | :) Thankyou loooads!
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| 15:42 | <Gadi> np
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| 15:44 | <gm04030276> hehe...now to try and see if my mac will do that...im going to defaultly say no because of the fun little things you have to do to get the graphics card working if you want to run it on it!
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| 16:17 | <sbalneav> Afternoon all
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| 16:17 | Eurgh. Been sick for the last 2 days.
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| 16:21 | <Gadi> !s
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| 16:21 | <ltspbot`> Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 16:22 | <Gadi> something u ate?
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| 16:23 | <sbalneav> No, kids bringing home flu
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| 16:23 | <loather-work> kids = germ magnets
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| 16:53 | <Lns> sbalneav: you can always hose them down in the driveway ;)
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| 16:54 | or use delousing powder, ala Family Guy
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| 16:54 | <vagrantc> i should've made a better commit message on my last ldm commit.
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| 16:55 | <gm04030276> hehe family guy :)
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| 17:02 | <sbalneav> Sigh. I've got a problem that's really kicking my butt, and I don't know how to solve it.
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| 17:03 | So, the new thunderbird opens attachments read-only, which is fine.
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| 17:03 | The problem is, when users go to do a "Save as" within open office, it's defaulting to the /tmp directory, where the attachment was opened from.
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| 17:04 | Causing much confusion, since they can't overwrite the read-only file, and if they rename the file, it's STILL being saved in /tmp
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| 17:04 | <Gadi> force them to save attachments before opening them
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| 17:05 | <sbalneav> That will go over like a lead balloon.
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| 17:05 | <Gadi> lol
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| 17:05 | <sbalneav> "I just want to look at it!!!! Why do I have to save it??!?!?! That's a whole 'nother 2 clicks, etc etc"
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| 17:05 | <Gadi> well, the only other option is to make openoffice dialog always default to ~/Documents
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| 17:05 | <sbalneav> besides, if they SAVE it, they'll never go back and delete it.
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| 17:06 | <Gadi> or have attachments use ~/Documents instead of /tmp
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| 17:07 | <sbalneav> Gadi: well, basically, what I need to do is find out where in OpenOffice.org it's starting up the gtk_file_chooser_dialog, and doing a "if dir == /tmp then dir = $HOME" or whatever
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| 17:07 | <Gadi> hmm... that may work
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| 17:07 | <sbalneav> Gadi: We did that long, long ago.
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| 17:07 | <Gadi> well, you have two behemoths you can try to change
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| 17:07 | <Lns> sbalneav: IANAP but I'd think the default dir being /tmp is troublesome to most users anyway.
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| 17:07 | <sbalneav> I had mime type overrides that saved the file in their home dir.
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| 17:07 | <Gadi> thunderbird or OOo
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| 17:07 | <Lns> re: openoffice save-as
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| 17:08 | We used to do that in windows domains - change default in office from "my documents" to H: (network home dir)
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| 17:08 | <sbalneav> then what happens is that you get gigs and gigs of documents that were only looked at once, and the user never EVER goes back and cleans up after themselves.
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| 17:08 | <Gadi> right
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| 17:08 | so, OOo it is
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| 17:08 | <sbalneav> Right.
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| 17:09 | So, now all I have to do is look through 285 megs of source to find where it is :(
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| 17:09 | <Lns> TB should remove the /tmp file after closing the app...not sure how easy that would be
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| 17:09 | <sbalneav> Lns: Well it does.
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| 17:09 | the issue is if you want to SAVE a copy
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| 17:10 | it's still defaulting to the /tmp directory
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| 17:10 | necessitating "another click"
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| 17:10 | <Lns> sbalneav: right.. and knowledge of the fs
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| 17:10 | <sbalneav> My users gauge everything by "clicks"
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| 17:10 | <Lns> which is too much for most users anyway :p
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| 17:10 | <Gadi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/openoffice/+bug/39854
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| 17:10 | <Lns> sbalneav: that's understandable..I hate redundant clicks
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| 17:11 | heh...leave it to LP to already have a team of ppl on it ;)
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| 17:11 | <Lns> yikes... Reported by Tero Karvinen on 2006-04-17
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| 17:12 | <sbalneav> if they used to have a program that would do an option in one click, and now it will take 2, then all I get is "MY GOD DO YOU KNOW HOW BUSY WE ARE THIS WILL ADD 150 CLICKS A MONTH TO MY WORKLOAD IT WILL TAKE ME 5 EXTRA HOURS PER DAY TO HANDLE THIS I'LL BE RIGHT BACK I HAVE TO GO ON ANOTHER 30 MINUTE SMOKE BREAK" etc etc.
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| 17:12 | <Lns> sbalneav: =p~
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| 17:12 | sounds like a call center!
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| 17:14 | <sbalneav> In our locally written application, when they go to delete a lien, it pops up a dialog box saying "Are you sure you want to do this, you're about to delete a lien" etc. A user deleted a lien by mistake the other day, because they accidentally clicked on the delete button, and then ckicked OK on the dialog. "Well!!!! I'm so busy!!! You can't expect me to read these dialog boxes you pop up etc etc you suck blaaargh"
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| 17:14 | sigh
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| 17:15 | <Gadi> lol
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| 17:15 | <Lns> hahahaha...
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| 17:15 | * Gadi is happy that LTSP devs have real life users | |
| 17:15 | <Gadi> :)
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| 17:15 | <Lns> sbalneav: you should make a lein "recycle bin" ;)
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| 17:16 | * Lns is happy that all of his LTSP users are young students | |
| 17:16 | <Lns> s/lein/lien
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| 18:48 | <FuriousGeorge> hey all
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| 18:49 | i had this working a few day ago... now i get '/dev/nfs is not a valid block device at /' when i try to boot. i can tell that is coming from my pxelinux.cfg/default file, which reads:
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| 18:50 | DEFAULT /ltsp/x86/boot/bzImage ro initrd=/ltsp/x86/boot/initramfs root=/dev/ram0 real_root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=10.0.0.10:/opt/ltsp/x86
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| 18:51 | it seems to come from the real_root= directive, which i know i didnt change
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| 18:57 | i know ive started nfs, and im exporting the directory with the clients rootfs, so im kinda at a loss
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| 19:08 | <patrik> Hi, what permission should i set on my lts.conf file?
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| 19:11 | <ogra> you dont need any special permissions
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| 19:12 | the script parsing it runs as root ...
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| 19:12 | so it should be readable somehow :)
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| 19:12 | <patrik> I just tried changing it to 600 but then the file isn't read
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| 19:13 | Changing it to 644 makes it work again
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| 19:13 | but I don't want it world readable, since I have autologin stuff in it
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| 19:14 | <ogra> weird, it really shouldnt matter
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| 19:14 | <patrik> I'm doing this on Ubuntu 8.04 (if it matters)
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| 19:14 | <ogra> what distro is that ?
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| 19:14 | hmm
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| 19:14 | 600 should rally work
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| 19:14 | *really
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| 19:15 | <patrik> Yes, I assumed it as well. Took me a while to figure that out when my autologin stopped working.
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| 19:17 | <ogra> what you can do is change the perms in the initramfs script
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| 19:18 | edit /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/ltsp_nbd, add a lone that changes from 600 to 644 after the tftp download
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| 19:18 | then run sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 update-initramfs -u and sudo ltsp-update-kernels
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| 19:18 | s/lone/line/
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| 19:18 | <FuriousGeorge> regarding my question earlier, i think i just realized that the module for my NIC may not be in my initrd
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| 19:20 | <patrik> ogra: Could the problem be that the tftp server isn't running as root?
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| 19:22 | hmm, nope tftp can get the file without any problems
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| 19:27 | ogra: Do I need to rebuild something after I edited the script?
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| 19:28 | oh sorry, I'm getting tired :)
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| 19:28 | <ogra> yes, seem my comment :)
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| 19:30 | <patrik> It's 02:30 AM here
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| 19:30 | <ogra> here too :)
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| 19:35 | <patrik> Hmm, my rootpath seems to be empty, does that mean that my / get mounted instead?
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| 19:40 | <ogra> rootpath isnt used with nbd
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| 19:40 | which ubuntu defaults to
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| 19:42 | <patrik> aha
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| 19:44 | Can't seem to get it right. I think i'll go for a world readable solution.
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| 21:03 | <patrik> Is it possible to log in locally on the thin client? I need to check some logs
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| 21:04 | I tried creating a user in the chroot environment but it didn't work
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| 21:07 | Actually what I'm trying to do is to get the nvidia xorg driver running. But I just get a black screen.
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| 21:08 | <sbalneav> patrik: You can login locally if you set the root password
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| 21:09 | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/
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| 21:09 | passwd -u
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| 21:09 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!
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| 21:09 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq
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| 21:09 | <jammcq> how's it goin, eh?
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| 21:10 | <sbalneav> Nose is running like a tap. Other than the cold, okiedokie
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| 21:10 | patrik: then ltsp-update-image
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| 21:10 | <jammcq> ah, looking forward to nov
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| 21:12 | <sbalneav> So am I
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| 21:14 | <mistik1> hey guys
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| 21:15 | I checked and the very weekend of BTS is the same week we have a conference that we must prepare for
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| 21:18 | <sbalneav> Oh no!
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| 21:18 | <patrik> sbalneav: It says: User account has expired
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| 21:20 | <sbalneav> did you do the passwd -u?
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| 21:22 | <jammcq> mistik1: get them to change it
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| 21:22 | <patrik> Nope, trying it again
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| 21:23 | <mistik1> jammcq: wish I could :)
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| 21:24 | <jammcq> want me to call them?
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| 21:25 | <mistik1> The sales we can generate out of that conference I would not want you to ;)
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| 21:25 | Its what we've been waiting for all year to show off our wares
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| 21:25 | <jammcq> hmmm, ok
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| 21:26 | but I can be pretty convincing on the phone :) Just ask scotty
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| 21:26 | <mistik1> haha
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| 21:26 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 21:34 | <portablejim> Can I use LTSP (on Ubuntu) on an ordinary computer on a network (meaning that it is connected to a router/switch - I know any computer can run the server)
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| 21:35 | <sbalneav> portablejim: Do you mean, can you use an ordinary computer as a thin client?
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| 21:36 | <portablejim> as the server.
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| 21:36 | or does the computer have to be connected to act as the router/switch?
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| 21:39 | <sbalneav> OpenOffice.org takes a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time to compile.
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| 21:39 | <sbalneav> portablejim: I'm still not sure what you were asking
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| 21:41 | <portablejim> can a computer (connected to an 'ordinary' router, still be able to act as the server and have clients on the ports on the router connect to it.
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| 21:42 | <sbalneav> If they're connected on the switch part, yes.
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| 21:43 | <portablejim> thanks. I have to go.
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| 23:51 | <cyberorg> sbalneav, you need icecream
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