IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 9 January 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:46 | <envite> Hello all from Spain
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| 04:46 | Hola a todos desde España
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| 09:30 | <efra> Morning everybody
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| 10:11 | <cliebow_> efra:mornings
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| 10:13 | <rafiks> hi!
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| 10:13 | what is the version of ltsp in debian sid right now?
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| 10:14 | I can't seem to get it from the package...
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| 10:14 | <ogra> ltsp5 pre
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| 10:14 | as in ubuntu
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| 10:16 | <rafiks> thanks ,ogra..are you one of the package maintainer?
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| 10:16 | <ogra> yes, and one of the upstream authors
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| 10:16 | err ... not for debian though ...
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| 10:16 | but for ubuntu ...
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| 10:17 | but they are essentially the same
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| 10:17 | <rafiks> there doesn't seem to be much documentation in the debian package..
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| 10:17 | <ogra> debian is lacking some features that didnt make it in before the freeze
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| 10:17 | <rafiks> esp the installation part..
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| 10:18 | are these features essential?
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| 10:18 | <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
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| 10:18 | especially https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 10:18 | well, its things like local device access for usb drives etc
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| 10:19 | if you dont need that or can wait for a backported ltspfs package then its fine
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| 10:19 | <rafiks> ok..will try that link..I think i see a ltspfs package in unstable
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| 10:19 | <ogra> ah, might be that it made it into unstable but doesnt get included into etch ...
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| 10:21 | <rafiks> i was wondering about ltspfs ,so this is a fuse FS ,,what does it do?
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| 10:21 | how is this differnt from nfs?
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| 10:22 | <ogra> you can just uplug devices without unmounting them ...
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| 10:22 | <moquist> ogra: I'm looking at purge_processes from k12ltsp, wanting the same kind of thing in edubuntu (to purge all of a user's processes at login, and again at logout). But this doesn't seem quite as straightforward on edubuntu, since everything's running through an sshd process in the first place...we'd have to kill everything *but* that. Any comments?
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| 10:22 | <ogra> fuse is a userspace FS, has not much in common with nfs
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| 10:23 | moquist, thats a bad idea since it will hide the real bugs ... i want the apps to be fixed to terminate properly rather
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| 10:23 | <moquist> ogra: I don't disagree with the goal, but I have slow and slowing systems *NOW*. :\
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| 10:23 | <ogra> we should make some propaganda so admins check which processes are left
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| 10:23 | <moquist> gnome-session
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| 10:23 | <rafiks> ogra:like automount ?
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| 10:23 | <moquist> all over the place
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| 10:24 | <ogra> rafiks, similar, yes ...
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| 10:24 | moquist, as a workaround you could install slay and kill the users processes on login indeed, but that would wipe dual logins for example
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| 10:25 | <moquist> ogra: it shouldn't be difficult to write something that cron could run in the middle of the night to check for persisting regular user processes and produce a report.
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| 10:25 | <ogra> i.e. from an Xsessin.d script that gets executed before gnome-session is started
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| 10:25 | <moquist> ogra: Right; I'm more than ready to give up dual logins.
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| 10:25 | ogra: wasn't aware of slay.
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| 10:26 | <ogra> ok, then just have a look at /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80_ltsp-sound
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| 10:26 | * moquist is becoming aware | |
| 10:26 | * moquist nods | |
| 10:26 | <ogra> should probably have a 10 as sequence # instead
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| 10:26 | <rafiks> ssh is used in muekow right,,is this gonna be an issue with thin clients with slower cpu?
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| 10:27 | <ogra> no, but with slow servers
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| 10:27 | <rafiks> ahh ,so the ssh client is still running on the server?
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| 10:28 | <ogra> the encryption takes some extra cycles on the server side, if you have many clients that can slow it slightly down
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| 10:28 | <ogra> no, its also running on te client ... but there are no significant slowdowns on that side ... the server side is more critical
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| 10:29 | <rafiks> k,well i am just using a 1 client setup for my personal home network,don't know if LTSP is overkill..
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| 10:29 | for this ..
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| 10:30 | <ogra> no, it isnt :)
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| 10:30 | i'm using my laptop as my server and have a thin client as my main workplace ... together with x2x via ssh thats a really comfortable setup ;)
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| 10:31 | its better than buying an expensive docking station ;)
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| 10:31 | <rafiks> cool! a laptop for a server!
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| 10:31 | <ogra> well, my laptop is my most powerful system i have :)
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| 10:32 | <rafiks> btw,LTSP is on a chroot,how do i use the same user account on the host system?
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| 10:33 | <ogra> you dont use any accounts on the client system ...
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| 10:34 | the login you do is on tha server ... the client only starts X and the login manager ... the login manager then does "ssh -X user@server Xsession"
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| 10:35 | <rafiks> ahh,i c..is there an autologin for ldm?
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| 10:38 | <ogra> nope
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| 10:38 | <jammcq> yo
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| 10:38 | <ogra> not yet ...
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| 10:38 | patches acceted ;)
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| 10:38 | <moquist> jammcq!!!!!!!!!!
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| 10:38 | <ogra> *accepted as well :)
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| 10:38 | hey jammcq
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| 10:38 | <jammcq> hey kids
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| 10:39 | <moquist> ogra: er, adding a 10_ltsp-slay to Xsession.d runs slay $USER which runs slay $USER which runs slay $USER which runs... 8-/
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| 10:39 | <ogra> ah
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| 10:39 | * moquist isn't sure why yet | |
| 10:39 | <ogra> well, then pkill gnome-session ?
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| 10:39 | instead of slay ?
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| 10:40 | * jammcq says it's too early in the morning for recursion | |
| 10:40 | <moquist> ogra: Yeah, but gnome-session isn't the *only* guilty process.
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| 10:40 | <ogra> slay is actually a bad idea in this case since it kills your ssh session as well
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| 10:40 | <moquist> Just the most egregious.
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| 10:40 | <ogra> sorry for the wrong hint
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| 10:40 | <moquist> ogra: Right; that's what I thought, but I figured "Ogra knows everything, I'll try what HE says..." ;)
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| 10:40 | <ogra> ps aux|grep $USER ?
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| 10:41 | ps aux|grep $USER |grep -v ssh |grep -v grep
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| 10:41 | <moquist> pkill -u would be fine except that the ssh process has to be eliminated.
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| 10:41 | ogra: something like that, yes.
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| 10:41 | I used to type something very similar to that all the time, until one day (at NELS) gadi said "WHAT are you doing?!? Use 'kill'." I said "pkill?" And then I learned.
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| 10:42 | I used to type something very similar to that all the time, until one day (at NELS) gadi said "WHAT are you doing?!? Use 'pkill'." I said "pkill?" And then I learned.
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| 10:42 | <ogra> you used to type something very similar to that all the time, until one day (at NELS) gadi said "WHAT are you doing?!? Use 'pkill'." you said "pkill?" And then you learned ??
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| 10:42 | <moquist> ogra: I'm leaning toward a short script that's very adept at killing all my processes EXCEPT itself and its parent(s). That would do the trick.
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| 10:43 | <rafiks> ogra: i was reading the LTSPwiring page..it says that "make sure there is no dhcp server running on the router"
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| 10:43 | <moquist> ogra: Yeah. Then I learned about pkill. This happened last June.
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| 10:43 | <rafiks> turns out I'm running one...
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| 10:43 | <ogra> moquist, just joking :)
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| 10:43 | <moquist> If I'd come across pkill before, I'd forgotten it. Every time. :\
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| 10:43 | ogra: :)
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| 10:43 | <rafiks> I have openwrt on my router...
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| 10:44 | can I setup the dnsmasq in the openwrt as mr dhcp server?
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| 10:44 | my
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| 10:44 | <ogra> rafiks, well, if you can configure the dhcp server on your router to server PXE stuff, then you can indeed use that one ... else i'd just disable the routers one ...
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| 10:45 | running two dhcpds is not a good idea if you do netbooting
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| 10:45 | <rafiks> is there a way to point the dhcp in the router the pxe config on my server?
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| 10:45 | <ogra> dont install ltsp-server-standalone then, but only ltsp-server
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| 10:45 | -standalone adds the dhcpd bits
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| 10:46 | <rafiks> ok..
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| 10:50 | <rafiks> thanks for the info..I am still waiting for my thin client,,,can't wait to get my hands on it
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| 10:56 | <cliebow_> rafiks:greab any old machine and try it
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| 10:57 | <rafiks> cliebow: i don't have any other machine
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| 10:58 | cliebow: maybe by this week my client will be here...
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| 11:10 | <MoL0ToV> hi to all, someone know if is possibile to make a thin client school lab with tlsp and then use the thin-client usb ports on the thin-client?
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| 11:11 | <ogra> MoL0ToV, if you use edubuntu that will work out of the box ...
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| 11:12 | it configures ltsp for you during install and supports local devices on the clients by default
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| 11:14 | <MoL0ToV> ogra, ok i try. i also tryed with debian-edu, but when i install with graphical installer, the wizard don let me partitioning the system and leave the first partition intact
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| 11:14 | now i ask on #debian
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| 11:14 | thanks!
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| 11:15 | <ogra> if you try edubuntu just make sure to not install from the liveCd it doesnt have ltsp on it ... use the installer iso ...
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| 11:29 | <rafiks> exit
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| 13:02 | <moquist> ogra: http://majen.net/misc/killing-me-mostly
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| 13:02 | * moquist learned some more python while he was at it | |
| 13:03 | <ogra> nice !
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| 13:04 | you should use the subprocess module instead of popen ... its safer
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| 13:07 | what about the time.sleep ? is that really needed ? i'd suspect you kill processes of the upcoming session ths way
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| 13:38 | <cliebow_> rjune:pingo
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| 13:52 | <AnRkey> hi all
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| 13:53 | i need help with my dhcp on an ubuntu box running ltsp. here is my info http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/976/
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| 13:53 | can any1 help?
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| 13:59 | any1?
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| 14:02 | <sepski> you have a subnet subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0, do you have a interrface configured in that subnet ?
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| 14:03 | <AnRkey> no
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| 14:03 | but how do i configure it?
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| 14:08 | <sepski> AnRkey, give a ip in that subnet to the interface in question
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| 14:08 | in /etc/network/interfaces
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| 15:11 | <mascote> hi
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| 15:11 | Is there someone from Brazil here?
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| 15:15 | <mascote> I need some help... I have a internet server (IP 192.168.0.200) and my LTSP server is other computer (192.168.0.203). When the internet server is turn off the X login don't work, just show at the client a gray screen and a X(point of the mouse). Why its occours? What I have to change to correct this problem? Thanks a lot.
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| 15:23 | <mascote> I need some help... I have a internet server (IP 192.168.0.200) and my LTSP server is other computer (192.168.0.203). When the internet server and the LTSP server are turn on the X login at the client is OK, but when the internet server is turn off the X login don't work, just show at the client a gray screen and a X(point of the mouse). Why its occours? What I have to change to correct this problem? Thanks a lot.
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| 15:49 | <rjune> cliebow: pango
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| 16:14 | <usuario__> hi
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| 16:15 | <carlos-the-man> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY mamada
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| 16:15 | hi there
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| 16:16 | I wanto to demo an ltsp server to a small school and have a couple questions :)
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| 16:17 | how well supported is opensuse? Ive been told it is very cute and polished, and I am affraid that is also an important selling point, even if it's free vs new windows machines
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| 16:18 | <carlos-the-man> and, where is the latest iso? Ive read there is an update 3 and the latest I see here is update 2 that http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/isos/
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| 16:31 | <Egyptian[Home]> carlos-the-man: http://wiki.ltsp.org
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| 16:31 | <carlos-the-man> thanks
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| 16:31 | <BilboFett> hi
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| 16:31 | <ogra> carlos-the-man, btw, you should change your password ;)
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| 16:32 | <carlos-the-man> lol thanks
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| 16:32 | <ogra> (after you typed it in the channel ;) )
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| 16:32 | <BilboFett> just posted to the k12 email
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| 16:38 | <BilboFett> ogra, greetings
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| 16:39 | my friend from the dark crystal
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| 16:39 | <ogra> heh
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| 16:39 | <BilboFett> :)
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| 16:40 | I overwrote a user's home folder with an older copy
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| 16:40 | Upon logging in, this error comes up "User's $HOME /.dmrc file is being ignored.
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| 16:40 | This prevents the default session and language from being saved.
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| 16:40 | File should be
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| 16:40 | owned by user and have 644 permissions. User's $HOME directory must be owned by
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| 16:40 | user and not writeable by other users."
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| 16:40 | I already tried the chmod 644
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| 16:40 | I tried to change some
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| 16:40 | permissions as root on the user's home folder, but nothing I do seems to make
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| 16:40 | this message go away.
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| 16:41 | as expected all her desktop icons have the "unwriteable" ghostbuster sign on them.
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| 16:41 | any help or ideas?
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| 16:44 | <moquist> ogra: setupcon --force in S98usplash is hanging intermittently during boot on some of our TCs. Do you have any suggestions? I might just take S98usplash out of rc2...
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| 16:46 | <ogra> either that or remove the splash keyword from the pxe cnofig ...
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| 16:46 | and file a bug against usplash with the exact lspci output ...
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| 17:05 | <moquist> ogra: ack - I read my debugging output wrong. I think the hang is somewhere in S99rmnologin.
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| 17:15 | ogra: nack-ack - I read it right, I think. These intermittent problems are a beast, especially when you're doing other things while you debug them. ;)
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| 17:15 | ALL of the intermittent problems are ONE beast.
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| 22:12 | <jammcq> howdie
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| 22:16 | <neuralis> jammcq: you pang earlier?
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| 22:32 | <jammcq> hey
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| 23:14 | <mofo> anyone have any luck getting sound to work with ltsp+suse 10?
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| 23:54 | <krinns_> hai
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| 23:55 | i have ubuntu installed with ltsp
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| 23:57 | i have user authticate through ldap
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| 23:57 | all good
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| 23:57 | biut user home dir is not created automatically
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| 23:57 | why
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| 23:57 | what should i have do
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| 23:57 | <vagrantc> your ldap configuration is using pam?
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| 23:58 | i.e. libpam-ldap?
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| 23:59 | ssh doesn't really play nicely with pam, and the LDM login for ltsp uses ssh.
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