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Channel log from 15 July 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:46 | <nutron> vagrantc: heh
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| 01:46 | I think so.
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| 01:47 | I'm having some issues, after some use on the thin client, the screen locks (the system still responds to keyboard and mouse input) so I can switch to vt1, but after a few moments it logs out and goes back to ldm, it just becomes unresponsive. Is this a known/common issue?
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| 01:48 | <vagrantc> are they browsing lots of websites? how much ram is on the thin clients?
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| 01:49 | some versions firefox/iceweasel and openoffice stash pixmaps in ram and never purge them... so eventually thin clients run out of ram
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| 01:49 | stash pixmaps in the X server's ram, and never clean them ...
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| 01:49 | not sure if that's what's happening
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| 01:50 | <nutron> ahh, well
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| 01:50 | <vagrantc> it was never clear to me if lenny's version of iceweasel and openoffice were or were not impacted by those bugs
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| 01:50 | <nutron> I'll watch the ram usage
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| 01:50 | I use it for a while, then it... I don't know how to explain it
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| 01:50 | <vagrantc> you could try enabling nbd swap, too, and then if the swap files suddenly get huge, you'd know
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| 01:50 | <nutron> the mouse moves, but nothing responds
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| 01:50 | yes I've been meaning to
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| 01:51 | <vagrantc> also, you could enable remote syslogging
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| 01:51 | <nutron> I'll go do that
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| 01:51 | I did, ldm doesn't say much
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| 01:51 | <vagrantc> then you'll see the OOM errors
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| 01:51 | <nutron> oohh.. err none of those
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| 01:51 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 01:51 | <nutron> since the machine still responds
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| 01:51 | <vagrantc> that's probably not the problem then
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| 01:51 | <nutron> i can switch to the console and look around
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| 01:52 | <vagrantc> since X.org is the largest process running on the thin client, it's likely to get killed when the OOM killer goes on it's killing spree
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| 01:52 | <nutron> feels like gnome is just locking up, somehow the machine realizes it, then kills the session and it goes back to ldm, like a minute later
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| 01:52 | oh, ok
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| 01:52 | I had nothing but gimp open remotely, i'll play with it
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| 01:52 | <vagrantc> there's the X_RAMPERC setting, which might help if that's it
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| 01:52 | <nutron> nbdswap comin' up
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| 01:53 | k, that just starts killing other programs though, correct?
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| 01:53 | not x?
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| 01:53 | <vagrantc> what that does is it limits processes from consuming all the ram ... it's not totally effective, but it often helps
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| 01:53 | since most processes won't usually consume anywhere near 20% of the ram other than X, it usually helps with X_RAMPERC=80
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| 01:54 | <nutron> k
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| 01:54 | <vagrantc> nutron: see the explanation in X_RAMPERC
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| 01:54 | <nutron> I'll set that
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| 01:54 | <vagrantc> in lts.conf manpage
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| 01:54 | <nutron> aye
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| 01:54 | <vagrantc> it describes the symptoms
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| 01:55 | might likely apply to gimp, too ... don't really know
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| 01:55 | <nutron> I've seen it lots, though these clients have 1g+, this one is at 1 gig, and I was running firefox(iceweasel) locally no problem on another box with 512
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| 01:55 | <vagrantc> wow
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| 01:55 | with localapps it gets more complicated, of course :)
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| 01:55 | <nutron> k, didn't think with gimp running on the server (with 48 gigs) would affect the client
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| 01:56 | <vagrantc> it still has to display the graphics...
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| 01:56 | <nutron> heh yeah, i was planning on nbd swap, was just using the client to modify the theme
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| 01:56 | <vagrantc> see if you can make it consistantly repeatable ... i.e. opening images foo bar and baz always do it
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| 01:56 | <nutron> it was easier than using my real non-ltsp workstation heh
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| 01:56 | yes it's done it 6 times in the last hour
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| 01:57 | ahh i see
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| 01:57 | Yeah, here I go. I'm gonna set X_RAMPERC first
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| 01:58 | <vagrantc> something between 80-90 seems to be the recommendation
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| 01:58 | <nutron> ok set to 85
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| 01:59 | and booting
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| 01:59 | <vagrantc> though really, if you're not getting OOM errors, that's probably not the issue
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| 02:00 | <nutron> vagrantc: now when I installed NBD daemon, it asked for ports and such, does ltsp handle the config for me or do I need to create each swap and assign each port for each client?
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| 02:00 | yeah, no oom errors :/
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| 02:00 | So I don't understand wholly what's going on
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| 02:00 | <vagrantc> grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
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| 02:01 | <nutron> 9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd
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| 02:01 | <vagrantc> update-inetd --group LTSP --add "9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd
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| 02:01 | yeah, looks good.
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| 02:02 | <nutron> ok, then I'll just go and follow the steps in the docs
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| 02:02 | <vagrantc> ltsp works around some limitations in nbd-server
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| 02:02 | <nutron> one other thing that's been nagging at me
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| 02:02 | <vagrantc> by using nbdswapd
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| 02:02 | <nutron> when someone hits reset.. ah
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| 02:03 | when someone shuts down a client by pulling the plug... does the session just hang on the server? or does it leave the programs that were open running?
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| 02:03 | <vagrantc> there will probably be lots of nbdswapd processes running for a while
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| 02:03 | most programs will notice that their DISPLAY is gone and die eventually
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| 02:04 | <nutron> k so the do stick around
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| 02:04 | <vagrantc> you can set things up with, strangely enough, rdesktop, to handle that situation, but it looses other features (sound, localdev)
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| 02:04 | <nutron> Oh, nah, can't lose those, I can handle it
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| 02:04 | <vagrantc> might be able to also configure persistant sessions with vnc or nx
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| 02:04 | and also wouldn't work well with localapps, of course :)
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| 02:05 | <nutron> I wonder if that's what's screwing with me, I keep loggin' in to clients as I test them and then i just power them off since there was no hard drive heh
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| 02:05 | then it occured to me that.. there was a session :/
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| 02:05 | <vagrantc> if you log out, then hitting the power button shouldn't be too bad.
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| 02:05 | <nutron> hah, yeah but the local apps I don't care much about... iceweasel and maybe vnc
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| 02:06 | alright, maybe I'll do some ps hunting to see what's left open
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| 02:06 | <vagrantc> it varies widely how well programs handle thin clients being powered off
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| 02:08 | <nutron> :P I don't know why I assumed it shouldn't be a problem :)
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| 02:09 | <vagrantc> someone spread the horrible idea that the proper way to log out was hitting ctrl-alt-backspace... and then people complained about programs responding badly
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| 02:10 | <nutron> haha, nice ... yuck
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| 02:11 | <vagrantc> it's taken two years to fight that idea and i still catch people doing it...
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| 02:11 | <nutron> wow a project hasn't had me excited like this in years and yet so frustrated on the sparse documentation :)
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| 02:11 | lol! do you slap 'em with a trout?
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| 02:31 | <gnunux> hi
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| 03:19 | <muppis> I'm running Firefox as localapp and got lost how I get it look as same as any other app?
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| 03:20 | <elias_a> Look or behave?
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| 03:20 | <muppis> Look. It's behaving ok.
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| 03:21 | <elias_a> So what is the specific problem?
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| 03:21 | <muppis> It looks like Netscape ~15 yrs ago. >)
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| 03:22 | <elias_a> Cannot help. Sorry. Never seen anything like that.
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| 03:22 | It should look exactly the same.
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| 03:22 | <muppis> Hold on, I get screencapture for you.
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| 03:23 | http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=6423851.png
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| 03:24 | And all popups & dialog got gray background.
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| 03:26 | <nutron> I had the same prob
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| 03:27 | <nutron> deleted all config for gnome and it looks the same now... not sure if that's permanent though :)
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| 03:28 | <muppis> Doesn't bother me, I can use Personas, but customer might start asking stupids.
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| 05:17 | <elias_a> muppis: Are you talking about a resolution problem here?
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| 05:18 | <muppis> elias_a, nope. Just visual.
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| 05:18 | <elias_a> muppis: How did you install the local-apps -version of Firefox?
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| 05:19 | <muppis> By following this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSPKarmicLocalAppsFirefox
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| 05:20 | <elias_a> muppis: OK. Back to the problem: Gimme a screenshot of how it should look like.
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| 05:23 | muppis: Oh - now I got it.... You mean it does not follow the themes of LTSP client, do you?
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| 05:23 | <muppis> Yes.
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| 05:23 | <elias_a> ....don't you.
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| 05:23 | <muppis> http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=6424213.png
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| 05:24 | <alkisg> I think ubufox needs to be installed for firefox to look normal in ubuntu
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| 05:24 | (or some similar package anyway)
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| 05:24 | <muppis> Ok, let's give a hit for it.
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| 05:27 | <elias_a> I think the problem is you do not have the theme settings set up properly in LTSP. Let's hope ubufox or the like will help.
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| 05:27 | <elias_a> Never experienced that so I cannot help.
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| 05:27 | I'll split now. Outdoors!
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| 05:29 | <muppis> Didn't help, still looking same.
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| 05:31 | <alkisg> How about firefox-gnome-support?
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| 05:31 | <muppis> Tried it first.
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| 05:31 | <alkisg> Btw, do other localapps look ok?
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| 05:32 | (gtk-based, that is)
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| 05:33 | <muppis> Same effect with VLC..
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| 06:03 | <muppis> Installed light-theme -package and FF won't start at all.
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| 06:29 | <muppis> Hmm.. Now Firefox doesn't work at all, even I removed light-theme and ubuntu-mono packages.
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| 08:28 | -lindbohm.freenode.net- [freenode-info] if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting, please mention it to staff: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp | |
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| 10:42 | <Blinny> What is a good Mini-ITX board with GB NIC that works well on Hardy Heron? I've used the Intel D945GCLF2D boards, but I can't seem to find them.
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| 11:12 | <muppis> Blinny, mind me, but why Hardy?
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| 11:16 | <hishnash> hi, can anyone help, i am seting up a ltsp-cluster system and the cluster controle pannel (the web interface) is giveing " The ID specified is not a valide id or mac address : id= The node you try to access does not exist in database : id=0" i have used the howto from the ubuntu help pages?
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| 11:19 | <hishnash> hi, can anyone help, i am seting up a ltsp-cluster system and the cluster controle pannel (the web interface) is giveing " The ID specified is not a valide id or mac address : id= The node you try to access does not exist in database : id=0" i have used the howto from the ubuntu help pages?
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| 11:48 | <nickelone> Good afternoon, I have a question..... I have 1 ltsp server set up (Ubuntu 10.4 from the alternate cd), and have the image set up to do ldap authentication. I am able to log into the client via ssh without any problem, however, when trying to log into gdm, I get the following error: http://pastebin.com/45B0Lg4v
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| 12:08 | <muppis> First one looks like your image for thin client image is bad. Try to mount locally via loopback.
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| 12:10 | as I don't really know does nbd care what is inside the imagefile, but according to error it seems like it does.
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| 12:16 | <nickelone> it mounts fine and there's no errors in the image....
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| 12:19 | <muppis> Hmm.. then it's out of my luck.
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| 12:21 | <Blinny> muppis: Because that's what my 4 servers are running.
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| 12:21 | I'm switching telcos and ISPs right now - don't need a server upgrade at the same time.
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| 12:21 | Eventually will upgrade the server to Lucid as well, just not yet.
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| 12:21 | <muppis> Blinny, ah, ok..
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| 12:22 | <Blinny> But I'm trying to get around a Realtek 8168 booting problem by upgrading the chroot.
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| 12:22 | <muppis> nickelone, so you can login to client from server with ssh, but not from client to server with ldm?
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| 12:25 | <nickelone> muppis: correct.... everything except ldm works...
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| 12:25 | i get that error when trying to log in via ldm
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| 12:27 | <muppis> nickelone, then login via ssh and try manually mount image via nbd.
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| 12:31 | <nickelone> to the thin client?
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| 12:31 | <muppis> Yes.
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| 12:32 | <nickelone> isn't the image already mounted at that point though?
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| 12:32 | <muppis> Yes, but can still try it to different location.
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| 12:40 | <Q-FUNK> howdy!
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| 12:40 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mknbi/+bug/241307
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| 12:41 | <Q-FUNK> seems that a long-standing bug on some older thin client hardware might require fixing mknbi or replacing mknbi with wraplinux.
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| 12:41 | whichever fix is selected, it would probably need to be back-ported to earlier releases.
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| 12:48 | <nickelone> muppis: how would i mount the image from the thin client, since the thin client can't see the image on the server?
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| 12:53 | <muppis> nickelone, ah.. Forgot to mention, I think you have to install nbd-client in image.
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| 12:55 | <nickelone> it's already installed
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| 13:10 | <Q-FUNK> vagrantc: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mknbi/+bug/241307
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| 13:10 | vagrantc: would repacing mknbi with wraplinux be acceptable, givne those findings?
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| 13:24 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: a bit much to read over today
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| 13:25 | <Q-FUNK> vagrantc: you can skip to the end of the bug. :)
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| 13:25 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: what i do know is wraplinux has been stuck in debian's new queue for an absurdly long time with no apparent comment
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| 13:26 | <Q-FUNK> vagrantc: I noticed that. I emailed daniel earlier to ask why.
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| 13:26 | I'm still waiting for his answer.
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| 14:28 | <Lns> vagrantc: have you heard of people having issues with flash sound in lenny lately?
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| 14:29 | <vagrantc> Lns: i don't hear more than usual.
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| 14:29 | <Lns> heh
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| 14:30 | <vagrantc> my analysis is usually flash doesn't work very well, and there's a variety of different permutations
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| 14:30 | <Lns> i'm having a bitch of a time with it (of course it's 64bit).. just strange to me that my ubuntu 64 bit install at home still works fine
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| 14:30 | vagrantc: agreed
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| 14:31 | The workaround at http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer#Debian5.0.27Lenny.27amd64 doesn't seem to work for me either
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| 14:31 | not sure if it's because i'm on an ltsp term
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| 14:32 | <vagrantc> no idea. never tried
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| 14:33 | <Lns> ok, thx for the info :) /me curses flash yet again
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| 15:06 | <nutron> aww crap, looks like nfs is the culprit I was talking to you about vagrantc last night.
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| 15:06 | I don't understand the issue, but I'm working through it. I certainly hope I'm not the only one running lenny backports with ltsp :o
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| 15:09 | <nutron> why does flash own us?
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| 15:09 | When's html 5 coming?
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| 15:16 | <Lns> nutron: i'm running lenny + backports
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| 15:16 | brb
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| 15:19 | <nutron> what does: ws60 ldm[3533]: waitid returned an error: Interrupted system call actually mean? and should I be concerned?
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| 15:19 | this occurs.. a whole bunch on quite a few different clients
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| 15:21 | <vbundi> does ltsp-remotapps work yet?
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| 15:21 | <nutron> vbundi: mine does
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| 15:22 | oh nvm, mine's local apps
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| 15:22 | <vbundi> trying to test it by doing ltsp-localapps xterm and then from within that xterm doing ltsp-remoteapps xterm
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| 15:23 | when downloading documents, ie pdfs; a pdf viewer is not installed locally, so it won't open them... must save first and then open by doubleclicking the file
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| 15:34 | * alkisg thinks fat clients are much easier to handle than the localapps/remoteapps pair... | |
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| 15:41 | <vbundi> hmm maybe I'll try a fat client setup
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| 15:51 | <vbundi> hey I copied the build-client.conf file and when I run ltsp-build-client it complains that an i386 chroot exists already... (because it does) I want to make another chroot called fat-i386, if I use ltsp-build-client --chroot fat-i386, will it still use my conf file?
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| 15:51 | this is from the fat-client wiki page btw
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| 15:52 | akisg: sorry to bug ya ^
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| 15:52 | alkisg: sorry to bug ya ^
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| 16:14 | <alkisg> vbundi: yes, it will use it
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| 17:05 | <vbundi> alkisg: ty
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| 20:27 | <gnoob> hi guys:) you know about any goood howtos for how to set up a computer lap for schools? I want to replace a xp lab with linux thin clients.. Difficult to find good and axplaining howtos.. :)
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| 20:28 | and whats the easiest or best solution? want to be able to use qcad and OOo :)
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| 21:49 | <KBentley57> hey, can someone point me to some documentation on adding software to the ltsp thin clients?
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| 21:50 | I have everything up and running, but I'm stuck at adding software to the ltsp image, if that makes sense
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| 22:28 | <map7> I'm trying to get my Nvidia card on a Thin client to work with the Nvidia drivers I've installed in the client image, can anyone help?
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| 22:28 | I'm running Ubuntu 10.04 as my server
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| 22:29 | My TC GPU is a Nvidia Geforce 6200
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| 22:29 | I've installed nvidia-glx-185
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