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09:38 | <jokoarie> anyone can tell me how to debug thin client boot process in edubuntu 11.10, cause i have 1 stuck pc within boot process
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09:42 | <muppis> Remove words quiet and splash from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/<arch>/pxelinux.cfg/default and reboot client
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09:44 | <jokoarie> 2 thumbs for muppis, great, i will try it your suggestions, thx alot guys!
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09:46 | <muppis> No problem.
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09:49 | <jokoarie> hey muppiss, can you give me quick hints to this problem, i made successfulll client boot whne i try with my laptop as client, but with 1 of my pc it stuck boot process when its show dotted progress , and words "done!" came up with nothing else show up
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09:51 | <muppis> jokoarie, haven't faced that before. Maybe alkisg can give you a hint for that.
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09:51 | <alkisg> Good morning
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09:51 | <muppis> alkisg, morning. :)
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09:51 | <jokoarie> morning alkisg
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09:52 | <alkisg> Is that PC an old one?
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09:52 | <jokoarie> alkisg ...., can you give me quick hints to this problem, i made successfulll client boot whne i try with my laptop as client, but with 1 of my pc it stuck boot process when its show dotted progress , and words "done!" came up with nothing else show up
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09:52 | yes
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09:53 | <alkisg> The new ubuntu kernels require some instructions not available in very old hardware, like the cmov instruction
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09:53 | How old is it?
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09:53 | <jokoarie> very old, pentium II
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09:53 | :D
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09:53 | <alkisg> And how much RAM?
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09:54 | <jokoarie> 256mb
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09:54 | <alkisg> That's more than enough... so it may be a problem with the processor
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09:55 | Can you try booting that client with the 11.10 live cd?
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09:55 | <jokoarie> i just upgrading server ltsp from redhat 9 to edubuntu 11.10
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09:56 | <alkisg> If the problem is the old processor, you may probably use edubuntu 10.04
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09:56 | <jokoarie> with redhat 9 its can boot, but the server now is dead, i buy iyt new pc for the server
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09:56 | <alkisg> That's an LTS (Long Term Support) release, so it's even supported for more than 11.10
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09:57 | <jokoarie> how minimum ram should client have ?
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09:57 | <alkisg> 64 with some configuration changes, 128 out of the box
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10:00 | <jokoarie> can i debug where is the error in booting process, mupiss suggest me to Remove words quiet and splash from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/<arch>/pxelinux.cfg/default and reboot client
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11:23 | <wizzy> folks - we have old external network cards with boot roms on them - can I make these boot just like PXE ?
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11:24 | most of the lab has PXE - but a few old clunkers have no PXE - and there is no PROM programmer in sight
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11:25 | <highvoltage> wizzy: I speak under correction, but I think if will work if you install the mknbi package and then run ltsp-update-kernels
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11:25 | <wizzy> there is a conditional in dhcpd.conf to select the non-pxe cards - which it points to nbi.img, but that seems not to work
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11:26 | highvoltage: thx - trying that now
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11:30 | mknbi was not installed - I installed it - ran ltsp-update-kernels - but no files in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/ changed
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11:31 | will try running mknbi-linux per man page
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11:38 | hmm - "segment in reserved area" messages this time
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12:33 | <muppis> Why I can't remember where problem is when amd64 tries to load i386/lts.conf ?
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12:44 | <wizzy> tried --relocseg=0x8000 in the mknbi command - gets past that message, but not much further.
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12:49 | Isn't there a little program I can give it that makes it all behave like pxe ?
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12:53 | <Hyperbyte> muppis, dhcpd conf?
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14:13 | <muppis> Hyperbyte, it gives IP's from correct subnet, so I don't know. I'll try at next year. :)
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14:52 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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15:42 | <manni> HI
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15:44 | I have trouble with my ltsp client; after some time i get black menu,s and what ever I open new is only completly black!
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15:44 | like if some buffer of x is running full
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15:44 | nbdswap is enabled
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15:44 | also x compression is on in lts.conf
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15:50 | <alkisg> manni, how much RAM does your client have?
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15:50 | <manni> something like 512mb
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15:50 | <alkisg> !compiz
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15:50 | <ltsp`> alkisg: compiz: the default window manager in gnome is gnome-wm, which automatically chooses compiz if it thinks that the card supports it. Compiz is causing login problems to some clients (LP #673072). To disable it, see !disable_compiz. To restore it, see !restore_compiz
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15:50 | <alkisg> Try disabling compiz
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15:51 | Also, what do you mean with "x compression is on"?
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15:51 | Do you mean LDM_DIRECTX=False, which is the default?
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15:51 | <manni> yes ldm direct x true
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15:51 | i have on the cards nvidia prop driver installed
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15:52 | you showed me some days ago howto do! :)
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15:52 | <alkisg> Try the command for disabling compiz
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15:52 | <manni> probably thats it
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15:53 | <alkisg> muppis: the problem is that you're using IPAPPEND 3, so need to symlink ltsp/i386 to ltsp/amd64
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15:53 | wizzy: if you remove the conditional in dhcpd.conf, and always send "filename=pxelinux.0", does it work for those clients?
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15:54 | <manni> he sorry i dont find this disable compiz you mean in shell?
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15:56 | <alkisg> manni: read the help text, it says "To disable it, see !disable_compiz. To restore it, see !restore_compiz"
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15:56 | So you need to type HERE in IRC: !disable_compiz
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15:56 | Type it
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15:58 | <manni> !diable_compiz
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15:58 | <ltsp`> manni: I do not know about 'diable_compiz', but I do know about these similar topics: 'disable-compiz'
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15:59 | <manni> disable_compiz
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15:59 | !disable-compiz
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15:59 | <ltsp`> manni: disable-compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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16:02 | <manni> ok
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16:02 | thanks I`ll see now
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16:08 | @alksig do you have any tweaking tips
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16:09 | I have running clients in dual screen setup but I have to say running firefox with youtube vids brings my terminal to his end
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16:15 | <alkisg> manni: if you use <tab> to autocomplete the names, you'll get them right :)
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16:15 | !flash
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16:15 | <ltsp`> alkisg: flash: Yes, flash sucks. Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try some flash replacing plugin like https://addons.mozilla.org/el/firefox/addon/161869/ (per user installation, gecko-mediaplayer is also needed).
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16:16 | <manni> I CAN CONFIRM FLASH REALY SUCKS ! >:o
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16:17 | he alksig are you greek?
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16:24 | <wizzy> alkisg: I did not try that, no. why would the conditional be there if it worked for both ?
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16:25 | <alkisg> manni: yes, I'm Greek, and my username is "alkisg", not "alksig", please use the "tab" in your keyboard to have it autocompleted
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16:25 | wizzy: some older clients only work with nbi
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16:25 | But most new etherboot clients also work with pxelinux
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16:25 | And since nbi is broken since 9.10, you may try forcing pxelinux.0, to see if it works for you
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16:26 | <manni> alkisg:
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16:26 | <wizzy> alkisg: worth a try - thanks. "etherboot clients" - is that my rom-o-matic ROM ?
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16:26 | <manni> yes!
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16:26 | <alkisg> wizzy: rom-o-matic is etherboot, yes, and that project then evolved to "gpxe", which is pxe compliant
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16:26 | !gpxe
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16:26 | <ltsp`> alkisg: gpxe: the successor to etherboot (http://etherboot.org). To download bootable floppy, cd, usb, kernel etc images, visit http://rom-o-matic.net/
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16:27 | <wizzy> The rom is rom-o-matic vintage
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16:27 | <alkisg> wizzy: so if you download a gpxe rom from there, it will work out of the box
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16:27 | (or floppy, or cd, etc)
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16:27 | <wizzy> alkisg: I understand - but then I need a programmer - which I had once
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16:28 | <alkisg> wizzy: or just to remove the conditional :)
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16:28 | <wizzy> alkisg: I will try that, thanks
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16:28 | <alkisg> np
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16:42 | <muppis> alkisg, thank you reminding that.
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16:43 | <alkisg> np
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21:15 | <highvoltage> wizzy: had any luck?
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21:17 | <knipwim> vagrantc: perhaps time for version tagging ltsp-trunk soon?
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21:18 | <vagrantc> knipwim: i've been pondering it
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21:18 | knipwim: there are significant enough changes to consider 5.3.0
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21:19 | <knipwim> i guess
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21:20 | <vagrantc> the switch to initramfs stuff, anyways.
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21:20 | * vagrantc wanted to fix up the initramfs stuff to be easier to backport before tagging, but whatever | |
21:21 | <knipwim> you could do a 5.2.99
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21:22 | i was only concerned for the gentoo ltsp-server stuff
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21:22 | <vagrantc> or just keep bumping it ... most of the changes are optional, i think.
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21:24 | <knipwim> and leave the 5.3 until the initramfs stuff is complete?
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21:24 | <vagrantc> maybe ... hasn't been much activity since the BTS, other than certain gentoo developers :)
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21:25 | <knipwim> i was discussing some plugin changes with alkisg earlier
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21:25 | going for function based plugins rather than file based ones
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21:28 | <vagrantc> yes, i recall that
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21:29 | <knipwim> got a working example now
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21:29 | at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~wimmuskee/ltsp/ltsp-info-dev/revision/1934
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21:39 | <knipwim> i'd love to discuss it with you and alkisg some time
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21:39 | probably next year :)
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21:58 | <jokoarie> can anyone help me wih client boot problem , i have thin client boot stuck in boot process, its seem loading with dotted progres filling the screen, and at the end its show up .".... done!" but nothing came up , please help me?
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23:07 | <wizzy> highvoltage: ran out of time again - I broke login. It worked - Keith is committed now (not really old disks are there)
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23:11 | <wizzy> i busted him for trying to convert his brother to linux before switching himself - luls fully
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