IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 28 February 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:46 | <Pascal_1> hello
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| 02:48 | <tarzeau> hello. HELP!
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| 02:48 | my screen is rotated but LTSP displays it not rotated
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| 02:48 | and i need to add some other extra lines into the xorg.conf, how/where? HELP!
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| 02:48 | <Pascal_1> i come back with the same problems than yesterday
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| 02:48 | my ltsp server working fine with local user, now i try to use ldap user, and i've got some problem :
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| 02:48 | when i try to connect with an ldap user the login windows come back every time, in auth.log nothing seems to be bad
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| 02:48 | what could be the problem ?
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| 02:49 | <tarzeau> Pascal_1: not than, like
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| 02:49 | <Pascal_1> ???
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| 02:49 | <tarzeau> 09:48 < Pascal_1> i come back with the same problems than yesterday
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| 02:49 | <Pascal_1> yes ?
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| 02:54 | anybody for my problem?
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| 03:09 | what is the way to make ldap authentication working ?
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| 03:09 | i can connect to the ltsp server via ssh with ldap user but not from thin client ?
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| 03:10 | <johnny> there's a howto for that somewhere
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| 03:11 | <Pascal_1> i cant find one which works for me
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| 03:12 | i'm lost
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| 03:14 | the problem is that my ldap authentication works when i try to connect via ssh with ldap user on the ltsp server, but on a thin client (graphical interface) it doesnt works. nothing in auth.log
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| 03:15 | <johnny> maybe it doesn't know how to connect to ldap from inside the client?
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| 03:19 | <Pascal_1> you mean in the chroot ?
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| 03:19 | i thought i dont have to modify the chroot
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| 03:33 | <johnny> i don't know
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| 03:46 | <johnny> warren, http://lists.thekelleys.org.uk/pipermail/dnsmasq-discuss/2007q3/001623.html
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| 04:01 | <johnny> imo that's the only blocker from suggesting the usage of dnsmasq
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| 05:33 | <cdealer> hi ... where I found gnome logs for the clients ?
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| 05:44 | <cdealer> hi ... where I found gnome logs for the clients ?
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| 05:44 | <johnny> people need to learn some irc ettiquette
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| 05:45 | please dont' ask the same question just cuz somebody else joined
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| 05:45 | at least not right away
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| 05:45 | gnome logs? which gnome logs?
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| 05:50 | <cdealer> johnny, im getting an AIF error on gnome start... I have the option to Delete or not delete, doesnt seen to be a critical error but I want to know what happened
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| 05:53 | <johnny> what's an AIF.
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| 05:53 | check ~/.xession-errors
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| 05:53 | or ~./gnome-errors (if it exists)
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| 05:53 | <cdealer> ok
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| 05:53 | thanks
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| 05:54 | <laga> ogra_cmpc, ogra: i've added a new patch to bug #195943. would be cool if you could commit that to bzr. is there any ETA on a new LTSP upload?
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| 05:54 | <ogra_cmpc> as i said yesyertday already there isnt yet :)
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| 05:54 | there will be one before next alpha though
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| 05:55 | <laga> ogra_cmpc: oops, i must have missed that. i'll just tell people to put the updated plugin into /etc. yay for modular architecture
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| 05:56 | <ogra_cmpc> yeah
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| 05:56 | that was the purpose
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| 05:56 | good to see someone uses it
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| 05:56 | <laga> :)
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| 05:59 | it's starting to work really well. i had to add odd little hacks to make network-manager ignore network devices and other things but i'm finally seeing the light
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| 06:00 | <cdealer> johnny, this is the error, is inside xsession-errors: WARNING **: panel-applet-frame.c:1278: failed to load applet OAFIID:Deskbar_Applet:
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| 06:31 | <kwak> is there are linux software just works just like adobe audition?
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| 06:31 | is there any linux software that works just like adobe audition?
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| 06:46 | <Dominik> Hey, hallo allerseits
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| 06:47 | ogra_cmpc auch da? :)
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| 06:48 | War gestern schon hier, wegen Boot-Problem eines Thinclienst aufgrund TFTP timeout...
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| 06:48 | <laga> und was ist das problem?
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| 06:49 | <Dominik> also der Client bootet nur wenn ein LTSP-server auch gleichzeitig DHCP macht, wenn der DHCP ausgelagert ist, bootet der client nicht
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| 06:52 | <laga> hm, womöglich ein merkwürdiger PXE-stack?
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| 06:52 | die anderen clients tun?
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| 06:52 | <Dominik> andere clients tuns
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| 06:53 | PXE Version 2.0 (build 071)
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| 06:54 | <laga> hast du mal etherboot getestet?
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| 06:55 | <Dominik> ich teste mal
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| 06:57 | haben den "Intel Boot Agent Version 2.6"
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| 06:58 | <laga> Dominik: etherboot ist ein stück software, das quasi einen PXE-stack bereitstellt. kann man auf diskette oder cd-rom tun (oder tausend andere möglichkeiten ;))
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| 06:58 | Dominik: www.rom-o-matic.net oder so
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| 06:58 | <Dominik> | |
| 06:58 | problematik: thinclients ohne cd-rom und floppy
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| 06:59 | aber wollen ja auch nicht in 30 clients, ne cd einlegen..... ^^
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| 07:01 | <laga> Dominik: es geht ja nur um einen test
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| 07:01 | es war ja so, dass der client eine adresse kriegt, aber dann per pxe nicht pxelinux lädt, oder?
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| 07:04 | <Dominik> genau
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| 07:04 | TFTP.......
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| 07:04 | PXE-E32: TFTP open tiemout
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| 07:04 | <laga> da das, soweit ich weiß, teil des PXE-stacks ist, wäre es hilfreich, den mal zu tauschen, z.b. mit etherboot.
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| 07:04 | <Dominik> | |
| 07:05 | mit der gleichen config
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| 07:06 | ja, etherboot ohne laufwerk, floppy und usb ist glaube ich recht schwierig? irgend eine idee?
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| 07:07 | <laga> haben die keine IDE-slots?
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| 07:08 | Dominik: wg firmware-upgrade: wenn HP sowas anbietet, werden die auch ne möglichkeit haben das zu machen, oder?
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| 07:08 | <Dominik> ja, die haben IDE-Slots.
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| 07:09 | naja, ich mach mich mal an den ausbau
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| 07:09 | und einbau
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| 07:10 | <laga> viel glück. ist aber nur ein schuß inds blaue, ob's was bringt weiß ich nicht :)
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| 07:14 | <cdealer> Im with a problem here... our server have 28 users and ~50mb free from its 16GB ... when I was rebooting the server everyday this didnt happen ... now that it stay up each day we have less free memory and the system is very slow ... any idea of whats happen ??
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| 07:52 | <cliebow> !seen ogra
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| 07:52 | <ltspbot> cliebow: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 3 hours, 57 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <ogra> warren, still awake ? i'd try: telnet localhost 9571 and see what happens
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| 08:20 | <vagrantc> warren: i don't think the /usr/lib/ltsp as a symlink will likely work
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| 08:20 | warren: especially because someday we may actually need to put things in /usr/lib/ltsp
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| 08:28 | <daduke> vagrantc: hola!
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| 08:28 | <vagrantc> daduke: buenos dias
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| 08:29 | <daduke> vagrantc: this fuse group thingy is a never ending story... our hack from yesterday does work, but for VirtualBox I need another group membership and now I'm back to the drawing board...
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| 08:30 | <vagrantc> daduke: what do you mean you need another group membership for virtualbox?
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| 08:30 | <daduke> vagrantc: VirtualBox wants $USER to be in vboxusers group.
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| 08:31 | <vagrantc> daduke: and you're using virtualbox for ... ?
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| 08:31 | <daduke> vagrantc: for errrr like virtualization?
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| 08:32 | <vagrantc> daduke: each user needs their own virtual machine?
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| 08:33 | daduke: you're setting up an LTSP server where all users need to be able to run virtualbox ... ??
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| 08:33 | daduke: i don't understand.
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| 08:33 | <daduke> vagrantc: no they don't but some users want to be able to test some OS or other..
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| 08:33 | vagrantc: it's by no means the killer app, but we'd like to provide the service.
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| 08:34 | <vagrantc> daduke: so sounds like you still desire the ability to add users to groups at login ... any help from the debian-edu folks on that?
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| 08:35 | daduke: this is an LDAP auth setup, and there's no way to control group access in LDAP ?
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| 08:37 | <daduke> vagrantc: been there, yup. with ogra I figured out that we can use LDM_SESSION = /usr/local/bin/fixgroups; /etc/X11/Xsession to trick it into executing fixgroups to fix the groups, as in the /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/[share|lib]/ldm/rc.d/ scripts $USER is not yet known
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| 08:37 | vagrantc: for various reasons we'd like to keep the fuse and vboxusers groups out of LDAP, yes
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| 08:37 | <vagrantc> daduke: what's fixgroups do?
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| 08:38 | nice trick, though.
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| 08:38 | i think i implemented LDM_SESSION :)
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| 08:39 | <daduke> vagrantc: anyhoo, in fixgroups I call a setuid'd C wrapper around adduser and bingo, $USER is in fuse and vboxusers. But now - where/when to call newgrp??
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| 08:39 | vagrantc: why thank you!
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| 08:39 | * vagrantc turned many a hard-coded value into a configurable variable | |
| 08:39 | <vagrantc> daduke: newgrp ?
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| 08:40 | * vagrantc reads the man page | |
| 08:40 | <daduke> vagrantc: ahh while we're at it, offtopic but perhaps useful to others: I enhanced /usr/lib/ltsp/configure-x.sh with X_ROTATE_SCREEN to allow portrait screens...
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| 08:40 | <vagrantc> daduke: maybe call newgrp somewhere early in /etc/X11/Xsession.d ?
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| 08:40 | <daduke> vagrantc: needed to flush group memberships, but it executes in a subshell #@!&*
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| 08:41 | <vagrantc> or call it the same way you call fixgroups ?
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| 08:41 | <daduke> vagrantc: this might be an idea, yeah! problem is the subshell tho.
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| 08:43 | * vagrantc doesn't know what problems are caused by the subshell | |
| 08:43 | <vagrantc> if the problem is the subshell, what are the symptoms? :)
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| 08:46 | <daduke> vagrantc: newgrp executes in a subshell and refreshed group memberships for this subshell and its descendants. But we'd need it higher up in the same shell level *howtoexplainthisbetter*?
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| 08:47 | daduke: just tried in /etc/X11//Xsession.d/01newgrp, doesn't help either
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| 08:51 | <vagrantc> daduke: got it
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| 08:52 | <vagrantc> daduke: so, write a wrapper script that calls newgrp, fixedgroups and then /etc/X11/Xsession
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| 08:53 | <warren> vagrantc, your checkin to ldm was broken =)
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| 08:53 | <vagrantc> warren: only slightly
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| 08:54 | <Q-FUNK> howdy!
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| 08:59 | <daduke> vagrantc: I tried. All sorts of sources and execs n stuff - no way. I'd have to run everything in the process tree of this newgrp subshell somehow - yuck
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| 09:00 | vagrantc: and fixgroups has to come first of course (contains the useradd)
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| 09:01 | <warren> Q-FUNK, x86emu fixes already in F-9, i'm trying to add them to F-8
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| 09:01 | Q-FUNK, I look forward to the widescreen patches
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| 09:01 | <vagrantc> daduke: so a script that does fixgroups ; exec newgrp /etc/X11/Xsession.d ... ?
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| 09:02 | <daduke> vagrantc: stand by...
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| 09:02 | <vagrantc> don't really understand how to use newgrp ...
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| 09:05 | <daduke> vagrantc: nope. fuse group not active in Xsession
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| 09:07 | * daduke wonders whether he's the only Unix user in the universe who need to update group memberships w/o loggin out.... | |
| 09:07 | <vagrantc> daduke: have you asked debian-edu about this? they do this sort of thing.
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| 09:08 | <daduke> vagrantc: well I discussed things with ogra yesterday, but this was before I encountered the subshell issue.
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| 09:08 | vagrantc: <h01ger> too
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| 09:09 | <vagrantc> ok, just making sure you're checking in with resources that i know actually do this stuff.
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| 09:10 | <daduke> vagrantc: sure. the skolelinux guys seem to have all user/group info in ldap, hence they don't have this problem
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| 09:10 | vagrantc: but I might ask again as soon as ppl are back
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| 09:12 | * Gadi waves | |
| 09:12 | * daduke waves back | |
| 09:12 | <Gadi> hey, folks - jetpipe has no serial printer support atm, right?
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| 09:14 | <vagrantc> definitely not the python version. not sure, but doubtful, on the C version
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| 09:17 | <Q-FUNK> warren: lovely!
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| 09:18 | warren: sorry for not getting around replying any sooner. I was away on a business trip.
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| 09:18 | !g
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| 09:18 | <ltspbot> Q-FUNK: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:19 | <rjune> Gadi !
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| 09:19 | http://cdn.theladders.net/static/images/TheLadders/comic/comic_2_28_08_polarized.gif
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| 09:25 | * Gadi waves again | |
| 09:29 | <warren> Gadi, you're like a rock star here.
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| 09:33 | <Gadi> heh
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| 09:33 | this is my third shirt of the morning
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| 09:33 | and who were those girls in my bed?
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| 09:34 | <warren> Gadi, didn't ancient jews have multiple wives?
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| 09:34 | <Gadi> you and rjune!
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| 09:35 | you ask the funniest qu's
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| 09:35 | :D
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| 09:35 | <warren> Gadi, hey you made that crack about "taco music"
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| 09:35 | * warren is still laughing after all this time. | |
| 09:35 | * Gadi nods | |
| 09:41 | <Q-FUNK> :D
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| 09:42 | <rjune> Gadi: that's 'cause you jew it up old school yo
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| 09:42 | joking aside. I usually ask serious questions about Judaism.
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| 10:04 | <Gadi> then, be careful who you ask - me loathes putting loking aside :)
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| 10:04 | meanwhile, I now have ptp camera support on my thin client :D
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| 10:05 | udev makes my head itch sometimes
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| 10:08 | <cliebow> i can believe that
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| 10:09 | <Gadi> I mean really, is an underscore *that* different than a hyphen? ;)
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| 10:36 | <warren> Gadi, I'm sorry, that earlier comment was a poor attempt of a joke that might have been offensive.
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| 10:39 | <Gadi> heh
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| 10:39 | warren - you cant offend me
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| 10:39 | well, at least not that easily
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| 10:39 | :)
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| 10:39 | <rjune> it would take effort.
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| 10:40 | I think you're the type that would require offending with both style *and* substance
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| 10:40 | <Gadi> seriously
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| 10:41 | <vagrantc> Gadi: PTP support for usb cameras ? ... is it just a udev rule?
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| 10:41 | <Gadi> well, udev+gphotofs
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| 10:41 | <vagrantc> yay!
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| 10:41 | <Gadi> + a lil scripting
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| 10:41 | + a lil ltspfs_mount/umouont mod
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| 10:41 | <vagrantc> i'd been meaning to do that for over a year now ...
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| 10:41 | <Gadi> heh
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| 10:41 | <warren> os.mknod("null",0666 | stat.S_IFCHR,os.makedev(1,3))
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| 10:42 | <vagrantc> Gadi: where's the goods?
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| 10:42 | <warren> (python attempt of using mknod)
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| 10:42 | <Gadi> I'll share once I get my house in order a bit
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| 10:42 | u know how clean a coder I am
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| 10:42 | <warren> For some reason this line creates a char node of permissions 0644
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| 10:42 | <Gadi> :)
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| 10:42 | oh, and I think I may have found a bug in lbmount
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| 10:42 | but I cheated and just worked around it
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| 10:42 | <vagrantc> imagine that
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| 10:42 | <Gadi> in an ugly way
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| 10:42 | so, I'll have to discuss that at some point
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| 10:42 | <vagrantc> Gadi: lbmount from which version?
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| 10:43 | <Gadi> gutsy
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| 10:43 | Im doing everything on gutsy
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| 10:43 | <vagrantc> i did significant rewrites ... don't think it's in gutsy
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| 10:44 | <vagrantc> yeah, definitely not in gutsy
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| 10:45 | Gadi: if you can, check if this bug is present in hardy, too.
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| 10:45 | <Gadi> nice
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| 10:45 | ok
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| 10:45 | well, that will be a while
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| 10:45 | <vagrantc> or debian unstable :)
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| 10:45 | <Gadi> Ive got some hard deadlines in the next few months
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| 10:45 | and nothing involves hardy-porting :)
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| 10:46 | the bug was one in which the /media mount did not unmount cleanly
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| 10:46 | leaving the directory unstat-able
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| 10:46 | <vagrantc> very likely that that's changed
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| 10:47 | the code that handles the /media mounting is pretty different
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| 10:47 | <vagrantc> not saying it can't still be there
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| 10:47 | <Gadi> well, for upstream - it is a server issue anyway
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| 10:48 | for my purposes, it affected the client
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| 10:48 | so, I wont need to add that code for upstream
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| 11:16 | <andarilho> hello
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| 11:26 | <andarilho> vagrantc: my problem continue
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| 11:27 | <vagrantc> andarilho: could you describe your problem? i help many people and can't remeber all of them
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| 11:28 | <andarilho> Sound=false
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| 11:28 | In the var/lib/.....
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| 11:28 | Disable sound
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| 11:28 | In the thin clients
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| 11:28 | <vagrantc> andarilho: try this ...
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| 11:29 | andarilho: set SCREEN_07=shell in lts.conf
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| 11:29 | <andarilho> lts.conf in /var or /opt
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| 11:29 | <vagrantc> andarilho: boot a client ... this should prevent the graphical login from showing up ... and then we can check what the SOUND variables are set to...
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| 11:29 | andarilho: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 11:30 | <andarilho> allright
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| 11:32 | <andarilho> vagrantc, one question, in the /var/..../lts.conf is need digite all configuration of the thin clients?
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| 11:33 | Or, only [Default] and o Sound=false
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| 11:33 | <vagrantc> andarilho: you need two lines:
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| 11:33 | [Default]
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| 11:33 | SOUND=false
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| 11:33 | andarilho: add one more
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| 11:33 | SCREEN_07=shell
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| 11:34 | <andarilho> ok
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| 11:55 | <andarilho> vagrantc: the thin client continue with resource graphical
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| 11:55 | <vagrantc> andarilho: it's not reading your configuration file
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| 11:56 | <andarilho> yes, i think too
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| 11:57 | <vagrantc> ogra: what would cause it to not read the /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf ?
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| 11:59 | <laga> maybe the clients are booting amd64? though that's unlikely...
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| 12:01 | <laga> i wonder if anyone here is doing wireless. it's not too hard if you can load kernel + initramfs from hard disk/another block device
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| 12:02 | <Q-FUNK> laga: we are.
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| 12:03 | <laga> cool. are you using a special initramfs script?
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| 12:04 | <Q-FUNK> no, just copying the modules and firmware to initramfs with a small initrramfs-tools hook script.
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| 12:04 | <warren> you can't do network boot from wireless right?
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| 12:04 | <ogra_cmpc> nope
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| 12:04 | <warren> you would need a small flash disk with kernel, initrd and firmware
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| 12:04 | <laga> warren: i've got a prism2 card for which the etherboot guys have a PXE stack.
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| 12:04 | <warren> mm
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| 12:05 | but then your wireless network must not be encrypted?
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| 12:05 | <Q-FUNK> warren: we have one
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| 12:05 | <laga> i once had it load a kernel over PXE, it worked.
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| 12:05 | warren: yes, must be unencrypted
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| 12:05 | Q-FUNK: well, but you have to log into the network?
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| 12:05 | eg tell the NIC to connect
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| 12:05 | <Q-FUNK> open network is easy. it finds the first one and connects.
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| 12:06 | but WAP is trickier. an awful lot more stuff to copy to initrd and store to flash.
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| 12:06 | öö.. WPA
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| 12:06 | <laga> hum
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| 12:06 | <ogra_cmpc> encryption should be trivial with initramfs
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| 12:07 | <laga> you need wpasupplicat and ta config file
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| 12:07 | <ogra_cmpc> just add the key as bootparam
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| 12:07 | (indeed its discussable how secure that is *g*)
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| 12:07 | <Q-FUNK> ogra_cmpc: I like our thin can for that: the NAND flash is big enough to store a lot.
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| 12:08 | yup
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| 12:08 | as is storing any key anywhere but the AES engine's eeprom
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| 12:09 | <warren> here's a fun one
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| 12:09 | one of our uses cases has a 70MB initrd file
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| 12:09 | that's OK, because this is typically used on a box with 4GB+ RAM =)
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| 12:09 | Entire OS in initrd
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| 12:09 | gross, I know.
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| 12:10 | <Q-FUNK> you didn't make me say it :)
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| 12:10 | <ogra_cmpc> warren, well, tcos works this way
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| 12:10 | <warren> tcos?
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| 12:11 | <ogra_cmpc> the tcos dev tried hard to convince us to switch ltsp to the same scheme
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| 12:12 | <vagrantc> i think it's a useful model, and wouldn't be too difficult to implement
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| 12:12 | <ogra_cmpc> tcosproject.org
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| 12:14 | <Gadi> what is the benefit?
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| 12:15 | <vagrantc> once booted, it doesn't access the filesystem on the server at all
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> that can be achieved in other ways
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| 12:15 | <Q-FUNK> hm. cnan be usefull to bootstrap net kiosk & the like, I guess.
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> put the squashfs img in the tftpdir and d/l before mounting
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| 12:15 | <vagrantc> Gadi: right.
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| 12:16 | <Gadi> that should be faster than making a bloated initrd
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| 12:16 | <vagrantc> perhaps so ...
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| 12:16 | <Gadi> and more flexible
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| 12:17 | <vagrantc> would be nice if we could exclude certain directories from the squashfs ... like /usr/share/doc /usr/share/man
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| 12:17 | <Gadi> thats easy
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| 12:17 | edit ltsp-update-image
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| 12:17 | <vagrantc> doesn't matter a whole lot now, but i think it would be more important later
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| 12:17 | <Gadi> I do that already
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| 12:17 | :)
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| 12:17 | add a -e to the mksquashfs line
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| 12:17 | <vagrantc> Gadi: well, we could make that configurable :)
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| 12:17 | Gadi: so you don't have to edit it anymore :P
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| 12:18 | <Gadi> that would be nice
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| 12:18 | :)
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| 12:18 | so many conf params - so lil time
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| 12:18 | so lil memory
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| 12:31 | <andarilho> vagrantc: i did
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| 12:31 | <vagrantc> andarilho: you did what?
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| 12:32 | <andarilho> just delete the users of the audio group
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| 12:32 | bingo
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| 12:35 | <cdealer> why is my client getting "the workstation is not authorized to connect to server|" in the login window ... I have already run ltsp-update-sshkeys...
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| 12:36 | <andarilho> vagrantc: just delete the users of the audio group
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| 12:38 | <Gadi> cdealer: did you run ltsp-update-image?
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| 12:38 | <cdealer> Gadi, not realy cause I didnt change anything on the chroot ... but I can run now
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| 12:39 | <Gadi> ltsp-update=sshkeys does change something in the chroot
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| 12:39 | I think
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| 12:39 | <cdealer> Gadi, im doing ltsp-update-image right now to see if it works
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| 12:39 | <Gadi> well, actually
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| 12:40 | yeah
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| 12:40 | it updates the chroot's list of known hosts
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| 12:41 | <cdealer> hmmm I suspected from ssh ... because I changed some ip configs in this server ... Im rebooting the client now
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| 12:52 | <cdealer> Gadi, worked great ... thanks!
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| 12:53 | <Gadi> np
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| 12:55 | <warren> vagrantc, were you OK with yesterday's changes?
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| 12:55 | vagrantc, got my e-mail?
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| 12:55 | BTW, everyone saw my mail about ldm causing severe problems on the list?
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| 12:56 | anyone seen that kind of behavior before?
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| 13:04 | <vagrantc> warren: yeah, they look ok to me.
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| 13:05 | warren: i got your email and replied to it ... but haven't sent it ... somewhere along the way it just sat in my drafts folder
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| 13:05 | <ogra_cmpc> warren, have you checked with telneting to localhost
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| 13:05 | <vagrantc> warren: but the basic jist is that i don't seen any way for a symlink to actually work, as replacing a directory with a symlink isn't well supported, i don't think.
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| 13:06 | warren: say some other package installs a file in that directory ...
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| 13:06 | <ogra_cmpc> that way you should be able to see where the loop starts
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| 13:07 | btw, is there any reason to support non utf8 locales ?
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| 13:07 | <Q-FUNK> nowadays, probably not. especially now that kernel >= 2.6.24 has unicode everyting by defualt
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| 13:07 | <ogra_cmpc> right
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| 13:08 | i was just thinking about warrens locale -a output :)
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| 13:08 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: regarding files that change regularly ... what do you think about making a tarball downloaded by tftp that gets extracted into the unionfs/tmpfs/whatever during the root mounting phase ?
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| 13:08 | <Q-FUNK> us-ask me?
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| 13:09 | <ogra_cmpc> vagrantc, like i do with lts.conf already you mean ?
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| 13:09 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: yes ... just a simple way to ship additional files that get modified often, like the sshkeys, lts.conf, etc.
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| 13:09 | <ogra_cmpc> the only intresting file i could imagine for that would be the known_hosts file
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| 13:10 | which i'm not reallys sure i want public via tftp ...
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| 13:10 | <vagrantc> yeah, public via NBD is so much more secure :P
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| 13:10 | <ogra_cmpc> heh
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| 13:10 | well
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| 13:10 | right
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| 13:10 | in that light, lets do it :)
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| 13:10 | <Q-FUNK> rcp
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| 13:10 | <ogra_cmpc> telnet FTW !
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| 13:11 | <Q-FUNK> :D
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| 13:11 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: i'm not sure how to implement exactly ... could have a configurable list of files in the chroot to put into the tarball
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| 13:11 | ogra_cmpc: have you gotten your "make the chroot disappear" stuff working well yet ?
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| 13:11 | <ogra_cmpc> we could check if an image exists and copy the files in a special config dir in tftp
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| 13:11 | <vagrantc> with a disappeared chroot, this would be harder
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| 13:12 | <ogra_cmpc> from update-sshkeys
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| 13:12 | and have a hook in initramfs that just checks the dir
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| 13:12 | <vagrantc> well, the reason i like the tarball idea, is that it makes it really easy to add arbitrary additional files, if we ever need them.
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| 13:12 | <ogra_cmpc> yeah
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| 13:13 | <Q-FUNK> initramfs hooks work well too
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| 13:13 | <ogra_cmpc> the initramfs is code wise only a small enhancement of the lts.conf loading code
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| 13:13 | <vagrantc> i'm thinking this would be from the initramfs
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| 13:14 | <ogra_cmpc> right
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| 13:14 | thats doable with three to five extra lines
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| 13:14 | <vagrantc> i don't know if we'd have to add tar to the initramfs.... or if we could use the tar from the root filesystem ...
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| 13:14 | <ogra_cmpc> the key copying might be a bit bigger
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| 13:14 | <stgraber> can't you simply do another squashfs image which would override the main one ? (some kind of diff)
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| 13:14 | <ogra_cmpc> vagrantc, tar ??
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| 13:14 | <Q-FUNK> ogra_cmpc: btw, if you wanna update your 61, you just need the flashrom currently sitting in Hardy and the new bios blob.
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| 13:14 | <ogra_cmpc> why tar it up ?
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| 13:15 | thats just extra slowdown
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| 13:15 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: so we only have a single file to distribute?
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| 13:15 | <ogra_cmpc> i could live with a dir below the tftproot
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| 13:15 | <Q-FUNK> stgraber: that's sort-of what the company started by mandrake's former CEO does
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| 13:15 | <ogra_cmpc> i.e. config/
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| 13:15 | <vagrantc> stgraber: i guess you could use an extra squashfs image ...
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| 13:15 | <Q-FUNK> loading layers of squashfs images
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| 13:16 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: does tftp do recursive downloads ?
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| 13:16 | <ogra_cmpc> no, you need a file list
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| 13:16 | but the first file you download can be the list :)
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| 13:16 | <vagrantc> distribute the file list in the tftp/config dir ...
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| 13:16 | yeah
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| 13:17 | <stgraber> the most common use of having layers of squashfs would be for simple config file like known_hosts with the possibility of doing more complicated stuff in the future (like client-related theme or local software)
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| 13:17 | <vagrantc> stgraber: yeah, but i want this to work for NFS too
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| 13:18 | currently, it requires some manual work to get squashfs modules into the initramfs on debian
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| 13:19 | <stgraber> vagrantc: where's the problem with NFS for files like known_hosts ?
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| 13:19 | <vagrantc> although i could probably re-write the code a little to use linux-image-2.6-* packages instead of linux-image-* packages so that we can grab the corresponding *-modules-2.6-* packages ... as there is no unversioned squashfs-modules packages
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| 13:19 | stgraber: ah, good point :)
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| 13:20 | <stgraber> for the other thing like theming or local softwares you would have to run an unionfs and then copy from some dir on NFS to / (which would then be stored in the unionfs in RAM)
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| 13:20 | <vagrantc> with NFS we use the chroot directly ... so no need to do all this silly tftp craziness :)
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| 13:20 | <stgraber> yes, that was the good point of NFS :)
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| 13:21 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: you could probably get your updated file lists by just comparing the date on the squashfs image and then finding all files in the chroot that are newer (with some exclusions, probably)
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| 13:22 | <vagrantc> i have been thinking of implementing the read-write tmpfs bind-mounts in initramfs, though ...
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| 13:22 | that way we've have them much earlier in the process.
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| 13:23 | ogra_cmpc: i've also been thinking about writing a wrapper script for initramfs-tools that just sources the nfs scripts if you're doing nfs, the nbd scripts if you're doing nbd, etc ...
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| 13:23 | sources the local scripts if you're booting locally
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| 13:24 | ogra_cmpc: then we could rely on dhcp to figure that stuff out.
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| 13:24 | ogra_cmpc: or some other boot-time mechanism.
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| 13:24 | <joebaker> I was trying to get auto-logon to work with Edubuntu LTSP Gutsy but it's locking up at an X window somewhere.
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| 13:25 | <Blinny> I just submitted a launchpad bug about the generated xorg.conf file in Hardy Alpha 5 - Please let me know if I should have submitted it to xorg instead of LTSP. Thanks.
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| 13:25 | <ogra_cmpc> vagrantc, finding all files that have changed will take ages
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| 13:25 | dont forget youre in the boot sequence
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| 13:25 | so i dont think diffing is an option
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| 13:26 | Blinny, will do, thanks for the report
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| 13:26 | i'll reassign appropriately
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| 13:27 | vagrantc, you can already switch boot methods with adding boot= to the kernel commandline
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| 13:27 | how would oyu automate that more ?
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| 13:29 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: no, i mean server-side
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| 13:30 | <ogra_cmpc> ah
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| 13:30 | so generating a line for the pxe config ?
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| 13:30 | <vagrantc> find /opt/ltsp/i386 -newer /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 13:31 | <ogra_cmpc> ah
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| 13:31 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: which issue are we talking about now ? :)
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| 13:31 | <ogra_cmpc> lets do it in order
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| 13:31 | <vagrantc> ok
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| 13:31 | <ogra_cmpc> you mean the find commanhd being added to the update scripts
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| 13:31 | ?
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| 13:32 | but the boot still gets a file list
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| 13:32 | <vagrantc> so ... i was thinking you'd use find to generate a list of files that you put in the tftp dir somehow (i was thinking tarball)
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| 13:32 | so when you run ltsp-update-sshkeys ... it would call another script that updates the tarball in the tftp dir
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| 13:33 | maybe there are other cases where you'd update the tarball ...
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| 13:33 | <ogra_cmpc> well, i'd rather go with a defined list
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| 13:33 | but that sounds lioke a proper way to automate a generation
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| 13:33 | * vagrantc envisions in cron.daily or some such | |
| 13:33 | <ogra_cmpc> ugh
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| 13:33 | <vagrantc> whatever
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| 13:33 | <ogra_cmpc> way to much overhead imho
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| 13:34 | <vagrantc> the idea is to ensure that when the chroot is updated, the clients get updated
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| 13:34 | <ogra_cmpc> i dont want to rely on more and more services
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| 13:34 | well, i'd personally just pick the files and put them in a list
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| 13:34 | <vagrantc> sure, i guess.
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| 13:34 | <ogra_cmpc> since i only see the need for very few files
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| 13:35 | for bigger changes i'd suggest anyway to rebuild the squashfs
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| 13:35 | * vagrantc chooses not to contrain vagrantc by the limits of vagrantc's own imagination | |
| 13:35 | <ogra_cmpc> like adding packages etc
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| 13:35 | <vagrantc> sure, for larger changes, this would be stupid
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| 13:35 | <ogra_cmpc> right, so we end with known_hosts ...
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| 13:35 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 13:35 | <ogra_cmpc> which other files ?
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| 13:36 | <vagrantc> lts.conf is already happening ...
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| 13:36 | <ogra_cmpc> yeah indeed i meant beyond that
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| 13:36 | <vagrantc> if there's a way for the sysadmin to update the list of files easily, i think that would be good.
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| 13:36 | <ogra_cmpc> i dont see more atm
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| 13:36 | * ogra_cmpc just got a pizza | |
| 13:37 | <ogra_cmpc> afk for dinner ...
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| 13:37 | <Q-FUNK> me too
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| 13:37 | <vagrantc> like i said, i don't want to be limited by our own imagination ... i'd rather see simple infrastructure to make it easy to add files if the need arises.
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| 13:37 | <Q-FUNK> eaten already
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| 13:37 | <vagrantc> be the need a custom thing for an installation, or some new file we as developers decide to make the new default
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| 13:38 | <joebaker> Does Gutsy support autologin with ldm using LDM_USERNAME , LDM_PASSWORD, LDM_DIRETX?
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| 13:38 | <vagrantc> joebaker: i think it's broken
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| 13:38 | <joebaker> ok.
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| 13:38 | <stgraber> vagrantc: you could also have a dir listing available by tftp then tftp all the files listed here
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| 13:38 | vagrantc: assuming that you can't do recursive gets with tftp
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| 13:39 | <joebaker> LDM_DIRECTX = Yes is that correct for avoiding encrypted traffic?
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| 13:39 | Is there something wrong with editing /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf ?
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| 13:40 | <vagrantc> stgraber: right ... i think a file listing is a simple approach ... though i still prefer a tarball because it's one file to download and then extract ... done.
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| 13:41 | joebaker: you have to regenerate the image if you edit in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf ... preferred location is /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 13:42 | <joebaker> vagrantc: Thanks! I understand about updating the image.
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| 13:42 | <vagrantc> joebaker: unless you're using NFS ... but Gutsy defaults to NBD
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| 13:42 | joebaker: that's actually directly related to what ogra_cmpc and i have been talking about :)
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| 14:14 | <warren> ogra_cmpc, vagrantc: where is the current code to download the lts.conf?
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| 14:14 | via tftp
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| 14:17 | <warren> vagrantc, mind if I add a "Warning: /usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d is deprecated...." warning to screen_session?
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| 14:18 | <vagrantc> warren: sounds reasonable to me
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| 14:22 | <warren> vagrantc, can we agree to remove /usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d in the next major release cycle?
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| 14:22 | <laga> warren: in initramfs/scripts/ltsp_nbd
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| 14:22 | <vagrantc> warren: define next major release cycle?
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| 14:23 | <warren> vagrantc, I don't know about Debian's schedule, but Ubuntu and Fedora are having major releases in April/May
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| 14:23 | <vagrantc> warren: debian is not likely to see a release till september, and quite possibly later than that.
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| 14:24 | <warren> vagrantc, ok, we can wait until after that release?
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| 14:25 | <vagrantc> warren: so you'll willing to wait on a debian release for that? :)
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| 14:25 | <warren> vagrantc, I know, I might be waiting until Fedora 13 or so.
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| 14:25 | <vagrantc> warren: heh
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| 14:26 | <warren> if [ "${SCRIPT_DIR}" = "/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d" ]; then
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| 14:26 | echo "Warning: /usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d is deprecated and will be removed in the future."
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| 14:26 | echo " ${SCREEN_SCRIPT} requires updating to use /usr/share/ltsp."
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| 14:26 | fi
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| 14:26 | look OK?
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| 14:26 | <vagrantc> warren: depends on what's before and after it
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| 14:26 | * warren makes patch | |
| 14:26 | <warren> ltspbot, pastebot
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| 14:26 | <vagrantc> but the text looks good
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| 14:26 | <ltspbot> warren: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 14:27 | <ltsppbot> Someone pasted "=== modified file 'client/scre" (14 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/454
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| 14:27 | <vagrantc> warren: looks good.
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| 14:27 | * warren commits | |
| 14:29 | * vagrantc gets qemu-system-arm going | |
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| 15:02 | <vagrantc> man, i finally figured out how to change my username on launchpad from "vagrant+ubuntu" to "vagrantc"
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| 15:02 | vagrant was already taken.
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| 15:03 | <Gadi> more than 1 vagrant?
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> "Kory"
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| 15:04 | * Gadi 's whole belief system is in jeopardy | |
| 15:04 | <vagrantc> it's so weird to see vagrant@ and have it to someone else.
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| 15:04 | <rjune> ?
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| 15:05 | <Gadi> don't worry, rjune - we're cool
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| 15:05 | :)
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| 15:05 | <rjune> heh
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> yeah, surely the LTSP crew will knock off this imposter if they ever meet them on my behalf.
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| 15:05 | <rjune> good thing, I was afraid my honorary Jew status was in jeopardy
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| 15:06 | * vagrantc wonders if there's still a "vagrant" on freenode | |
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| 15:33 | <andarilho> vagrantc: to shutdown the thin clients for the server?
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| 15:33 | i use "ssh"
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| 15:33 | ?
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| 15:34 | <vagrantc> andarilho: dpm
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| 15:34 | er.
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| 15:34 | andarilho: i don't quite know what you mean ... ?
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| 15:37 | <andarilho> dpm?
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| 15:37 | <vagrantc> andarilho: typo, sorry.
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| 15:37 | andarilho: i don't quite know what you mean ... ?
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| 15:38 | <andarilho> And turn off customers by the server?
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| 15:42 | <vagrantc> there isn't really a way to do that ... you could set up an ssh server on the thin clients... and configure some ssh keys to allow that ...
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| 15:45 | <nookie> hi all, i have some problems to get my ltsp working
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| 15:45 | just the more basic : i can't install anything on my client chroot
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| 15:45 | because i can't get a connection when i'm on it by a chroot
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| 15:46 | <vagrantc> nookie: a network connection?
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| 15:46 | <nookie> an acces to the internet
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| 15:46 | i'm french
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| 15:46 | <vagrantc> nookie: what error do you get?
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| 15:47 | <nookie> no error, i just realise that even if i mount /proc , my chroot net less
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| 15:48 | <vagrantc> nookie: how do you know you don't have net access?
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| 15:48 | <nookie> i just want to install something on my client, in the doc, it is said you can do it by a chroot
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| 15:48 | i try some basic requests :)
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| 15:48 | <vagrantc> what do you try to do that doesn't work?
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| 15:48 | <nookie> like a ping
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| 15:48 | <vagrantc> ok.
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| 15:48 | can you ping by ip address?
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| 15:49 | <nookie> let me try
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| 15:50 | really sorry i was trying for a long time and it works now i don't even know why
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| 15:51 | <nookie> thanks a lot
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| 15:52 | <nookie> strange, this time i didn't mount /proc and it works
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| 15:55 | just another question, i use ldm, why does it show me the list of window-managers of the server even if i'm on a client and i can only log with users from the client?
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| 15:58 | <vagrantc> pfft.
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| 16:49 | <Gadi> damn. I missed all the nookie
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| 16:50 | * warren realizes there was no good reason to require "--" before mkdst options. | |
| 16:51 | <Gadi> specially when I have to pay per character
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| 16:51 | * warren is still chuckling about "silent.wav" and "taco music". | |
| 16:52 | <Gadi> thank you, thank you - I'll be here all week
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| 17:09 | <laga> is there any way to distinguish between being chrooted into /opt/ltsp/i386 and running a real client? using ubuntu hardy here
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| 17:14 | <Gadi> laga: explain
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| 17:14 | pls
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| 17:15 | :)
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| 17:17 | <laga> Gadi: well, i've got this package i want to install in the squashfs. unfortunately, this package comes with an init script. i don't want that init script do be executed when installing it inside the chroot (because it's executed when you install the package), i just want it to be started when the client boots.
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| 17:17 | eg on real hardware
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| 17:18 | <warren> init scripts are run when you enter the chroot?
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| 17:18 | or it runs the initscript immediately upon install of the package?
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| 17:18 | (the latter is why enabling/running most things at package install is forbidden in fedora)
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| 17:19 | <Gadi> laga: the init script will most likely fail to run in the chroot
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| 17:19 | but, you can try not mounting /proc
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| 17:19 | <laga> Gadi: no, it does not fail. it's my own init script which writes outa xorg.conf
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| 17:19 | -a
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| 17:20 | <Gadi> ah, so set your init script not to run on install
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| 17:20 | <laga> right now i'm using an approach where it doesn't start X -configure because it really sucks when you install something and your X server gets killed :)
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| 17:20 | <Gadi> thats a dh_helper flag in the rules file
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| 17:20 | <laga> Gadi: great! you rock
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| 17:20 | warren: yes, i was talking about install time
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| 17:20 | <Gadi> dh_installinit --no-start
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| 17:21 | <laga> i'm gonna try that. yay.
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| 17:21 | <Gadi> add "--no-start" to the rules file
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| 17:21 | much easier when its your deb :)
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| 17:21 | <laga> yup :)
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| 17:23 | <Gadi> so, you use an alternative to configure-x.sh?
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| 17:23 | anything good?
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| 17:23 | :)
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| 17:23 | trying to speed up the autodetect?
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| 17:23 | * Gadi always likes a good hack | |
| 17:24 | <Gadi> speaking of hacks, I think I finally kicked the damn unpartitioned stick thing withour screwing everything else up
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| 17:25 | <laga> Gadi: anything good? don't think so :)
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| 17:25 | * Gadi wishes he were a better udev hacker | |
| 17:25 | <Gadi> aw, cmon
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| 17:25 | <laga> Gadi: xdebconfigurator and dexconf. but i hear it' slow.
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| 17:25 | <Gadi> ur holding out
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| 17:25 | ah, then why?
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| 17:25 | better results?
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| 17:26 | <laga> i don't remember. it's hidden behind that late-night hacking blur. i think it's because I was running into that issue where the init script would get executed during install/update
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| 17:26 | <Gadi> no - I mean why switch from configure-x.sh
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| 17:27 | ie. the X -configure way
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| 17:27 | <laga> no reason. i'll switch back. i just used xdebconfigurator because it doesn't start X
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| 17:27 | <Gadi> ah
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| 17:27 | I see what you mean
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| 17:27 | eh, nobody'll notice
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| 17:27 | :P
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| 17:27 | <laga> i actually like configure-x.sh better because you can still customize stuff via lts.conf.
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| 17:27 | <Gadi> definitely
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| 17:28 | <foxxbuntu> Gadi, don't help laga
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| 17:28 | :)
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| 17:28 | <laga> sigh, yet another update before the package gets uploaded
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| 17:28 | * laga gently touches foxxbuntu with sharp kitchen helpers | |
| 17:28 | <foxxbuntu> lol
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| 17:29 | gently?
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| 17:30 | <Gadi> lol
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| 17:31 | <foxxbuntu> laga, that sounds more kinky rather than painful as intended
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| 17:32 | <laga> weüll
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| 17:32 | * Gadi looks around for nookie | |
| 17:32 | <Gadi> honestly, how can you go into a chatroom with a nick like that
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| 17:32 | * laga removes his eyes with a spork to get rid of the images | |
| 17:33 | <warren> does Debian/Ubuntu have /sbin/MAKEDEV by default?
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| 17:34 | <Gadi> its there
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| 17:34 | <laga> i've got it on my gutsy box
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| 17:34 | <Gadi> on Ubuntu
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| 17:36 | <warren> k
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| 23:00 | <chupacabra> rovian? !!!!
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| 23:03 | <GoRpO> hi
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| 23:03 | good morning
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