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Channel log from 5 June 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:39 | <highvoltage> alexqwesa: you're still awake!?
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| 01:42 | (oops, meant alkisg)
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| 05:52 | <mealstrom> good morning
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| 10:52 | <garymc> Hi guys, does anyone know how I can have a logged off timer on the workstations to monitor how long my employees have been on their break?
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| 10:53 | they get half an hour break and I want them to have a timer on the screen. also a log of their break lenght as some people are going for longer than they should
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| 11:02 | <alkisg> What if they don't log off but stay logged in while they take their break?
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| 11:04 | <andygraybeal> morning
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| 11:08 | <iku_vlc> hii
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| 11:09 | i have a problem when i run firefox on the thin clients
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| 11:09 | firefox do not open at full screen
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| 11:09 | some has this problem too?
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| 11:17 | hello????
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| 11:17 | somone there?
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| 11:18 | <alkisg> iku_vlc: you asked if someone has that problem, obviously not...
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| 11:19 | <iku_vlc> or a similar problem when trying runin an application??
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| 11:20 | <alkisg> Nope
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| 11:20 | <ogra_> alkisg, does epoptes have any resource monitoring capabilities ?
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| 11:21 | (someone on the ubuntu-users ML is looking for a monitoring tool for ltsp clients)
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| 11:21 | <alkisg> ogra_: it has a right click => propertis to display the hardware, other than that one can use the "run command on clients" dialog to run whatever he wants
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| 11:21 | What does he want to monitor, CPU usage, network bandwidth etc?
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| 11:21 | <ogra_> no idea
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| 11:22 | well, network resource monitoring is what he asks for it seems
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| 11:22 | <alkisg> ..but now that you mention it it'd be a good idea to include some client stats in the client properties dialog
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| 11:22 | <ogra_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2012-June/260681.html
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| 11:23 | <garymc> alkisg we check they log off. a supervisor does
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| 11:23 | or is there any other way to check it?
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| 11:24 | cos doing it with a watch doesnt seem to be helping
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| 11:24 | <alkisg> You can easily check if they're logged in or not, e.g. by typing "w" on your server. And you can use a client idle time with xprintidle.
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| 11:26 | * ogra_ would make them lock the screen and just hack the screensaver to note down the lock and unlock times | |
| 11:26 | <ogra_> or something along these line
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| 11:27 | <garymc> ok i want them to be logged in all the time. I just want a Timer that is on screen that is GREEN for 30 mins then goes red if they dont click back in before it goes red. and some sort of way of tracking
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| 11:31 | <alkisg> I don't know of a tool with all that you ask, so you'd probably have to make a small script for it
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| 11:35 | <garymc> hmm ok
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| 11:37 | <andygraybeal> iku_vlc, hey, i dn't have that problem.. full screen works great :)
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| 11:46 | <iku_vlc> i can get forefox working on full screen, im running it after a xsession is started
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| 11:49 | and around firefox windows a black screen and X cursos apears
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| 11:50 | maybe an script capture, explain better than i
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| 11:53 | <alkisg> iku_vlc: do you login first, so that a window manager is started?
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| 11:53 | Or are you trying to run something like a kiosk?
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| 11:53 | <iku_vlc> http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2984/firefoxissue.png
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| 11:54 | yes
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| 11:54 | with out a like :P
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| 11:55 | and dont works the plugin r_kiosk on the thin client
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| 11:55 | when i run firefox in the server(clients chroot) it work
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| 12:07 | <alkisg> iku_vlc: you need to run a window manager to have maximized windows
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| 12:07 | That's why you have to login first, or use the kiosk plugin
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| 12:08 | <iku_vlc> i do autologin
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| 12:09 | <alkisg> iku_vlc: are you setting LDM_XSESSION?
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| 12:09 | <iku_vlc> kiosk plugin..of ltsp or firefox kiosk plugin?
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| 12:09 | <alkisg> LTSP kiosk plugin
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| 12:10 | <iku_vlc> i9mk not setting LDM_XSESSION
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| 12:10 | <alkisg> How are you running firefox? From where?
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| 12:11 | <iku_vlc> i put an rc script that start firefox
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| 12:11 | <alkisg> Where?
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| 12:11 | <iku_vlc> i think is before xsession begins
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| 12:12 | <alkisg> Right, it's like if you set LDM_XSESSION
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| 12:12 | So the session doesn't load and you don't have a window manager
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| 12:12 | <iku_vlc> in chroot/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/
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| 12:13 | then why firefox start in a window?
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| 12:14 | <alkisg> That's what programs do if no window manager is present, please google for what a window manager is
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| 12:14 | <iku_vlc> if i put that script after an x session starts i should be able to start at full screen?
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| 12:15 | <alkisg> If the xsession starts you'll have a full desktop with menus and everything. You can run things there from /etc/xdg/autostart on the server
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| 12:30 | <mealstrom> hi, any idea how to fix sound quality on thin client running sflphone locally using usb headset?
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| 12:31 | <Hyperbyte> mealstrom, you haven't really told us what's broken yet. :)
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| 12:31 | <mealstrom> dont know how to describe it.
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| 12:32 | ill try. it sounds like someone has put equalizer levels of low frequency to high
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| 12:33 | <Hyperbyte> Does it sound a bit like hissing in high frequencies?
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| 12:34 | <mealstrom> yes. yours describe is better
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| 12:36 | Hyperbyte: have you manged with this?
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| 12:39 | <alkisg1> mealstrom: try SOUND=False in lts.conf, and see if it gets any better
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| 12:39 | (that disables pulseaudio, just to see if it works fine with direct alsa)
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| 12:39 | <Hyperbyte> mealstrom, which Ubuntu version?
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| 12:40 | <mealstrom> Hyperbyte: 12.04
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| 12:40 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg1, sflphone natively works with PulseAudio
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| 12:40 | <alkisg1> Hyperbyte: we start pulseaudio in system mode to listen for remote connections
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| 12:40 | It's not the "regular" pulseaudio server
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| 12:41 | Don't know if that makes a difference, but it's not hard to try with SOUND=false
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| 12:41 | <mealstrom> so i've to try with "Sound=false" ?
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| 12:41 | <alkisg> That's what I proposed above, yes
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| 12:41 | <mealstrom> ok. i let you know in few minutes about the result
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| 12:41 | <alkisg> If Hyperbyte has a better idea though, you should listen to him, he's more into sound these days :)
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| 12:42 | <Hyperbyte> And he's using SFLphone too.
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| 12:43 | I have to say mealstrom, I noticed the same hissing when I first started using SFLphone
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| 12:43 | But either it has disappeared, or I no longer hear it.
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| 12:43 | <mealstrom> im open for any ideas that would help me to solve this
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| 12:44 | <Hyperbyte> Which headset are you using?
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| 12:45 | <mealstrom> Hyperbyte: what was yours solution?
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| 12:46 | Hyperbyte: im using planktronics 646dsp
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| 12:46 | alkisg: after sound=no i only have "dummy" soundcard. No usb sound.
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| 12:47 | <alkisg> mealstrom: if you run alsamixer, do you see the usb card?
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| 12:47 | (locally)
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| 12:47 | <mealstrom> alkisg: yes, i see it
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| 12:48 | <alkisg> Can't you configure your phone to use that card?
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| 12:50 | <mealstrom> alkisg: sflphone doesnt start.
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| 12:50 | <alkisg> You may need to change its configuration before it can start, if you have it configured to use pulseaudio by default
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| 12:50 | <mealstrom> ill try
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| 12:51 | <alkisg> I've never seen that sflphone app, I'm just guessing
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| 12:57 | <mealstrom> alkisg: even with clean config, it does not let me check it configuration tab.
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| 12:58 | <alkisg> mealstrom: are you running that from a local xterm, or as root?
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| 12:59 | If as user, you may need to put him in the audio group
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| 12:59 | Anyway gotta go, bbl
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| 13:00 | <mealstrom> see you
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| 13:02 | <mealstrom> Hyperbyte: have you fixed this problem /
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| 13:02 | <Hyperbyte> mealstrom, I don't know.
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| 13:02 | My colleagues never noticed it, and I've probably stopped hearing it.
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| 13:03 | My advice: try to capture the error, in sound... make a recording via sflphone, and one via local audio recorder
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| 13:03 | Make the difference hearable for everyone, and then send a mail to the SFLphone mailing list
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| 13:04 | http://lists.savoirfairelinux.net/mailman/listinfo/sflphone
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| 13:04 | I'm subscribed there too. If you make a good test case, I'll run the same test and back you up.
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| 14:13 | <iku_vlc> hii again
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| 14:13 | after lunch and a time to think about it i used thew kiosk plugin
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| 14:14 | and sucessfully runnin
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| 14:14 | but have the same problem
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| 14:14 | firefox do not recognize r_kiosk plugin
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| 14:15 | to run in full screen mode
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| 14:19 | i installed plugin in the chroot but nothing
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| 14:34 | <iku_vlc> has someone the same problem with this or other program?
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| 17:21 | <Mip> Hey Gang -I have a local mirror of ubuntu and would like to point my chroot/thin clients to it. I've edited the /etc/apt/sources.list file once the I've built my client, but is there a way to specify that the mirror be used when *building* the client?
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| 17:22 | <ogra_> ltsp-build-client --extra-help
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| 17:22 | iirc
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| 17:22 | there should be an option
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| 17:24 | <Mip> thanks
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| 17:25 | btw - where's the best documentation for 12.04 as an ltsp? I'm setting up a server now for use in the fall, so I have some time to tweak and test, but figure it's a good time to make the move from lucid to precise.
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| 17:29 | <ogra_> well, there is treh ltsp-docs package that should always be up to date
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| 17:37 | <Mip> --copy-sourceslist as an ltsp-build-client option looks good.
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| 17:48 | I see that ltsp-docs wasn't included by default when everything else was. I'll add it once my client has been built
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| 18:17 | <vagrantc> alkisg: committed a proof of concept for X-$Vendor-$Package_relation
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| 18:21 | <alkisg> vagrantc: Howdy. Nice! Does it work as expected?
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| 18:21 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i tested it and it seemed to ...
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| 18:21 | alkisg: i used vendor:Depends, vendor:Recommends ... and then you set X-Debian-Depends in the relevent package section.
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| 18:22 | alkisg: it supports arbitrary X-$VENDOR-$FIELD values
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| 18:22 | alkisg: and will create a corresponding vendor:$FIELD variable
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| 18:22 | <alkisg> Sounds like you should blog about it, maybe others could find it useful too ;)
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| 18:22 | vagrantc: btw why not recommend: ltsp-docs in ltsp-server?
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| 18:22 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i've got to do more vetting, lintian made some grumblings
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| 18:23 | <ogra_> alkisg, ++
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| 18:23 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i will most definitely add that recommendation :)
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| 18:23 | alkisg: i went with vendor: rather than dist:
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| 18:23 | * vagrantc should start blogging at all, probably | |
| 18:25 | <vagrantc> i also wanted to blog about the vexpress kernel supported by qemu in debian ...
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| 18:25 | and cross-building ltsp with it
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| 18:25 | i can test two aspects of qemu and ltsp all in one go :)
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| 18:25 | <ogra_> debian still has it ?
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| 18:25 | ubuntu dropped it a while agi
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| 18:26 | *ago
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| 18:26 | <vagrantc> qemu?
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| 18:26 | <ogra_> vexpress
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| 18:26 | <vagrantc> we just got it
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| 18:26 | <ogra_> ah
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| 18:26 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ah, I was trying to fix the DNS_SERVER=auto variable, as it doesn't work. I though this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1025471/
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| 18:26 | <vagrantc> it's the only one supported by upstream qemu that also does armhf
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| 18:27 | * vagrantc tries very hard to ignore #ltsp for a while | |
| 18:32 | <vagrantc> alkisg: but at risk of being unable to ignore, i committed the code to the ltsp-debian-packaging branch
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| 18:35 | <alkisg> vagrantc: seems very elegant, you didn't even have to put the Recommends: etc fields?!
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| 18:38 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it just checks for X-Foo-Bar and then adds a vendor:BAR variable if present.
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| 18:38 | alkisg: you do need to then put ${vendor:BAR} in the corresponding field.
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| 18:38 | alkisg: so you could literally put any arbitrary field in there.
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| 18:40 | <alkisg> Very nice! /me pushes an ltsp-server-dnsmasq-el.conf example, hope noone objects...
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| 18:49 | <alkisg> vagrantc: is it appropriate for sch-scripts to ship /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/ltsp-server-dnsmasq-el.conf (or a symlink there)?
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| 19:13 | <Mip> I'm getting a boot error on my thin clients: Could not find kernel image: vmlinuz, followed by a boot prompt. I tried rebuilding the client (twice), but it's not working. I'm trying to build for fat clients
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| 19:14 | This is the command and options I ran: sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --mirror http://10.105.0.45/ubuntu/ --purge-chroot
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| 19:21 | <alkisg> Mip: ls -l /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
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| 19:24 | <Mip> there's a vmlinuz there, and it points to vmlinuz-3.2-24-generic-pae, but the date is from the day I installed the server, not today.
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| 19:24 | <alkisg> Then probably ltsp-update-kernels hasn't ran because ltsp-build-client failed, check its logs
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| 19:27 | <Mip> Given that this has happed before (and I moved the old i386 and image directories), should I try to start from scratch (other than reinstalling the server)? The thin client booted fine the *1st* time I tried, before I ran updates on the server and chrooted thin client. I'll take a look at the logs, though.
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| 19:30 | I don't think the images are actually there -
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| 19:32 | there are black boxes in the terminal window around the image (initrd.img, which is a symlink, and it's target). This is the case for the nib, and vmlinuz as well
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| 19:32 | <alkisg> Mip: the ltsp-build-client logs hold the key to the mystery
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| 19:33 | <Mip> ok - thanks ;-)
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| 19:34 | <Mip> There's this - Skipping netabootwrap images. Install the aboot package if you need them.
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| 19:35 | <alkisg> Ignore that
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| 19:37 | <Mip> Here's the log - http://pastebin.com/Cx4qir7B
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| 19:37 | <alkisg> Mip: no, before that
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| 19:38 | E.g. it's possible that it didn't find the linux kernel to install
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| 19:38 | What's in your /opt/ltsp/i386/boot now? ls -l there
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| 19:38 | <Mip> I'm using screen - maybe I missed the top part
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| 19:39 | gpxelinux.0 memtest86+.bin memtest86+_multiboot.bin pxelinux.0 pxelinux.cfg
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| 19:39 | <alkisg> No kernel
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| 19:39 | <Mip> yeah, I see that now....
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| 19:39 | <alkisg> So in the logs you'd see some message about not finding some packages
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| 19:39 | <Mip> okay let me look again...
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| 19:40 | FTR - here's my ltsp-build-client.conf file http://pastebin.com/Xiv5ERJ9
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| 19:42 | <alkisg> E.g. your mirror might not contain all the necessary packages
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| 19:42 | Why not use --mount-package-cache instead?
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| 19:44 | <Mip> Okay - I'll try that again - it seemed slow, so I didn't think it was working. I'll try it now. How can I be sure to clean out any crud I've created so far? I'm wondering if could also be part of the problem.
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| 19:49 | <alkisg> --purge should suffice
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| 19:49 | Downloading e.g. 700 mb from the net does take time :)
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| 19:51 | <Mip> alkisg: I thought if I used --mount-package-cache, it wouldn't redownload from the net. WHen I ran netstat and saw a bunch of connections, I figured I hadn't specified the option correctly
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| 19:52 | <alkisg> Mip: it won't redownload if it has downloaded them once before
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| 19:52 | Mip: du -sh /var/cache/apt/archives/
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| 19:53 | <Mip> There's only 26 m of archives - that's surprising to me
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| 19:53 | <alkisg> Did you run apt-get clean?
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| 19:54 | <Mip> no
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| 19:54 | <alkisg> When you _don't_ use --mount-package-cache (or the package dir in build-client.conf), then the files go to the chroot
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| 19:54 | And it gets bigger unecessarily, and they're removed afterwards
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| 19:54 | So that'd explain your cache small size
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| 19:55 | (10:54:51 μμ) alkisg: And it gets bigger unecessarily, and they're removed afterwards ==> no actually they're not removed from the chroot
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| 19:55 | <Mip> okay - thanks
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| 19:55 | <alkisg> You should be still able to find them there
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| 19:55 | In /opt/ltsp/i386/var/cache/apt/archives
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| 19:55 | <Mip> right - I was just thinking that...
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| 19:55 | <alkisg> So, copy them to your server before running ltsp-build-client --mount-package-cache
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| 19:56 | <Mip> yeah, too late…. it's okay. I need another cup of coffee anyway. ;-)
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| 19:57 | It's in the Unpacking stage, so it shouldn't' be too long now
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| 19:58 | well, now it's downloading more stuff....
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| 19:58 | <vagrantc> alkisg: where was that pad specing out the new ideas we had for update-kernels?
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| 19:58 | <alkisg> !pad
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| 19:58 | <ltsp`> alkisg: pad: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ltsp
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| 19:59 | <vagrantc> oh right, javascripty
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| 20:00 | <alkisg> vagrantc: could you have a quick look at this?
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| 20:00 | (09:26:48 μμ) alkisg: vagrantc: ah, I was trying to fix the DNS_SERVER=auto variable, as it doesn't work. I though this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1025471/
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| 20:00 | I think you once said that you didn't like falling back to some default dns server if DNS_SERVER was empty...
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| 20:00 | * vagrantc hacks ltsp on breaks :) | |
| 20:01 | <alkisg> Lines 12 to 18
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| 20:01 | In short, if DNS_SERVER is unset, I'm using dig to check if the server or the gateway or google's dns are (reachable) dns servers
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| 20:01 | <vagrantc> alkisg: what's the diff from the old code?
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| 20:02 | <alkisg> The old code was using "DNS_SERVER=auto", and nc
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| 20:02 | The nc part won't work with DNS as it uses UDP
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| 20:02 | * vagrantc hasn't used dig in ages | |
| 20:02 | <alkisg> So the old code was never used
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| 20:02 | <vagrantc> i usually use host
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| 20:02 | <alkisg> Also, "dig" shouldn't be in thin chroots anyway,
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| 20:02 | so I primarily want that for people using ltsp-pnp with ipappend 3...
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| 20:03 | <stgraber> alkisg: partly true, DNS uses both UDP and TCP. People tend to assume that the TCP side of things are optional until they try to resolve a DNS record bigger than the UDP packet size and wonder why they don't get a reply ;)
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| 20:03 | <vagrantc> all this efficient variable substitutions need more comments :)
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| 20:04 | <alkisg> stgraber: right, so doing an actual dns query is the best solution i guess
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| 20:04 | <stgraber> yes
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| 20:04 | <alkisg> vagrantc: the "@" is part of the dig syntax, i.e. ${SERVER:+@$SERVER} is just SERVER with a @ in front of it, or empty if unset...
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| 20:05 | I think if we're to put such comments, we should put them in some global doc, with coding styles, tricks etc
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| 20:05 | <vagrantc> in-code comments are still a good idea... i never use them enough
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| 20:06 | <alkisg> So, would anyone mind if I committed that?
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| 20:06 | It shouldn't affect thin clients anyway, only fat clients with ipappend=3, where dns is broken otherwise (unless defined in lts.conf)
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| 20:06 | <vagrantc> it only runs if dig is installed ...
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| 20:07 | alkisg: so, it's looking for a value to set the dns server?
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| 20:07 | <stgraber> why not use: host <query> <server> ?
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| 20:07 | <alkisg> vagrantc: is either dig or host or nslookup installed in a default debian thin chroot?
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| 20:08 | stgraber: when I was googling about dns lookups some years ago I saw dig and started using it, but I've no idea what people usually use or if host is better
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| 20:08 | <alkisg> If it is, I don't mind switching to it
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| 20:08 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i'm not sure ... i don't think so
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| 20:08 | <alkisg> In Ubuntu chroots, none of them are preinstalled
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| 20:08 | (thin)
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| 20:08 | While in fats, all of them
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| 20:08 | <vagrantc> alkisg: if there is no gateway?
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| 20:08 | <stgraber> host is more common in ubuntu than dig, as IIRC ubuntu-standard ships host
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| 20:08 | <alkisg> vagrantc: then it won't be checked
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| 20:09 | <stgraber> hmm, so is dnsutils => dig, nevermind :)
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| 20:09 | <alkisg> stgraber: ok, /me looks if `host` has options to minimize the time needed...
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| 20:09 | <stgraber> alkisg: so apparently Ubuntu ships both with ubnutu-standard, so I don't care ;)
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| 20:10 | <alkisg> stgraber: it also doesn't appear to support multiple queries, so I'd have to use loops in the code
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| 20:10 | <stgraber> I thought we no longer shipped dig, but apparently I was wrong. We might end up killing it in the next spring cleaning of the seeds though as I can't really justify its presence in ubuntu-standard
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| 20:14 | <alkisg> Ah, it's bundled with "bind", so it should have more reputation than "dig"... let me see if I can use that instead
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| 20:16 | <vagrantc> alkisg: so, this will only be run when $utility is installed, and only if DNS_SERVER is not set or found from DHCP ?
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| 20:16 | <alkisg> vagrantc: right
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| 20:16 | <vagrantc> ok, with the DHCP being preferred, i'm fine with it.
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| 20:17 | <alkisg> Nice, ty
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| 20:19 | <Mip> alkisg: the ltsp-build-client failed. http://pastebin.com/urG2HvbE
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| 20:19 | Actually - just posted the last part with the errors
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| 20:20 | <alkisg> Mip: it seems like you're having network problems, that file should have been downloaded fine
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| 20:21 | <Mip> yeah - during the end of the day, the bandwidth is in high demand. At this point, should I go into the chroot and fix it from there, or would that not create the kernels. I think this is what I tried last time.
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| 20:21 | <alkisg> I'd just rerun ltsp-build-client until it succeeds, as downloaded files are added to the cache
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| 20:22 | <Mip> right - I was just poking around to see if they were there. Okay - that's what I'll do. Thanks.
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| 20:22 | <alkisg> It'd be nice if there was a "retry 3 times" option though
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| 20:22 | I've hit that problem myself in a few schools
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| 20:22 | <Mip> Really?
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| 20:22 | <alkisg> Fortunately now with ltsp-pnp I'm no longer using ltsp-build-client :D
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| 20:23 | Ah, it might interest you, have a look:
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| 20:23 | !ltsp-pnp
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| 20:23 | <ltsp`> alkisg: ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 20:23 | <alkisg> It doesn't download packages, it just reuses your server installation
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| 20:23 | ...but it has to be the same arch
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| 20:23 | (as the clients)
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| 20:23 | <Mip> Cool - it looks promising. It's the future?
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| 20:24 | <alkisg> No, it's just an "alternative" method, which will be supported upstream
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| 20:24 | Whoever wants to use it, can select it
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| 20:24 | Both ltsp-pnp and ltsp-build-client will continue to be supported
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| 20:24 | <Mip> I see. I think I have 32-bit on the server, even though it's new, uname -a 3.2.0-24-generic-pae #39-Ubuntu SMP Mon May 21 18:54:21 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
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| 20:24 | <vagrantc> the same arch limitation is a bit of an issue for amd64 machines
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| 20:25 | <alkisg> Well one can use vbox then
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| 20:25 | But -pae works fine for our needs here
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| 20:25 | It even uses less memory than 64bit, due to pointer size and all that
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| 20:26 | (11:25:18 μμ) alkisg: Well one can use vbox then ==> e.g. even a headless server with no X, and a headless vbox that provides a gui to generate the fat chroot
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| 20:27 | It should also be easy enough to netinstall a distro in an RW NFS dir instead of using vbox
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| 20:28 | That would work on arm and other arches
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| 20:29 | I.e. instead of cross-arch ltsp-build-client, just netinstall a client of whatever arch
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| 20:30 | * alkisg hopes Unity and the other graphical installers will support NFS installations in the future... otherwise we'd have to create a script to mount an NBD target disk. | |
| 20:32 | <vagrantc> cross-arch with arm is generally faster on a reasonably fast x86 machine that it is on most any native arm client hardware
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| 20:34 | <stgraber> vagrantc: Debian needs more shiny hardware, there are boards nowadays that are likely faster than your current i386/amd64 builders :)
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| 20:41 | <Mip> alkisg: thanks for your help. I've got to leave for the day, and just saw that my build needs to be download for another 30 min! Hopefully I'll catch up with y'all tomorrow.
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| 20:41 | <alkisg> goodnight
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| 20:51 | <vagrantc> stgraber: well, yes, there are fancier boards, but for running ltsp-build-client, my guess is most people are doing so to support low-power arm thin clients.
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| 21:00 | if there are any people actually doing so :)
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| 21:29 | * alkisg isn't sure if there should be a common.conf, or a server.conf and a client.conf... | |
| 21:29 | <alkisg> Or server-common.conf and client-common.conf anyway
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| 21:32 | And, if we'll be shipping a conf, is there a reason to keep supporting multiple tftp dirs? It's confusing...
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| 21:34 | Let's just call it "TFTP=/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp" and be done with it - and each distro can have a client/$VENDOR/etc/ltsp/server-common.conf override file.
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| 21:35 | The packaging can then use it to generate appropriate man pages and example files (an upstream script for that would probably be best)
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| 23:31 | <vagrantc> hrm. my substvars stuff didn't work ... hrm
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| 23:32 | different tftp servers on debian have different default dirs.
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| 23:32 | hence having all dirs supported.
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| 23:34 | ah, i forgot to build-dep on grep-dctrl
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| 23:49 | er, dctrl-tools
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