IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 7 July 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:12 | <daduke> !seen Gadi
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| 01:12 | <ltspbot> daduke: Gadi was last seen in #ltsp 4 days, 10 hours, 10 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <Gadi> Blinny: cool
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| 01:12 | <ltspbot> daduke: vagrantc was last seen in #ltsp 3 days, 7 hours, 56 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <vagrantc> well, if it's in bios, it's probably PXE
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| 01:45 | <dean_za> Hi , I have a stupid question , I installed iptraf inside my chroot and have setup ssh access , I have set LDM_DIRECTX=True in lts.conf , when I run iptraf on the terminal all traffic is on port 22 (ssh) is this correct , I thought that the traffic was not encrypted when LDM_DIRECTX was set ?
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| 01:45 | this is with 8.04
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| 01:47 | <Pascal_1> bonjour !
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| 01:57 | <daduke> !pastebot
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| 01:57 | <ltspbot> daduke: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 02:02 | <ltsppbot> "daduke" pasted "direct / encrypted X traffic" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/18
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| 02:03 | <daduke> dean_za: I've just posted the difference in the ps output that shows direct and ssh tunneled X traffic. Note that it's on Debian etch though, but it should be very similar to your setup.
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| 02:34 | <vpxavier> hello everyone
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| 02:35 | <daduke> vpro: hi
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| 02:35 | <vpxavier> I'm working on implementing ubuntu based thin clients to use as web kiosks
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| 02:36 | the LTSP server is a ubuntu 8.04 alternate server
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| 02:36 | I saw that LTSP should be installed on a desktop in the documentation. Is this mandatory or not?
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| 02:38 | <daduke> vpxavier: can't say much about Ubuntu, ogra is your man
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| 02:38 | !seen ogra
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| 02:38 | <ltspbot> daduke: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 15 hours, 55 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <ogra> (which should be there by default if you biult it with ltsp-build-client)(
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| 02:39 | <vpxavier> because I can launch the kiosks after installing the environment with #sudo ltsp-build-client --kiosk, but after that I can't have the clients connecting to the internet
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| 02:39 | my server as two nics.
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| 02:40 | eth0 is connected via dhcp to the internet and eth1 as fixed ip
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| 02:40 | <LTSPTNK> doesnt it connect at all or does it give u somekind of output
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| 02:40 | <vpxavier> static sorry
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| 02:40 | the server is connected to the internet (as i can do apt-get update) but the kiosks cannot reach
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| 02:40 | at all
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| 02:41 | <LTSPTNK> awh
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| 02:41 | i'll see how my things ar put up :)
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| 02:42 | <vpxavier> i'm trying from scratch with virtualbox and tried different ways I found on the net but none is working
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| 02:45 | <vpxavier> does anyone have a link where I can find a step by step guide to install LTSP server for kiosk with two NICs on the server?
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| 02:46 | <LTSPTNK> what about your another ethernet server, the one with the static ip, what is your gateway for that one?
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| 02:48 | <vpxavier> the server is a guest in virtual box and eth0 receives 10.0.2.15 as ip address, I don't now which gateway it uses
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| 02:48 | don't "know" sorry
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| 02:49 | is there a command to know which gateway eth0 is using?
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| 02:54 | ok i've found that virtualbox seem to use 10.0.2.2 as gateway
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| 03:13 | <LTSPTNK> my networks are one dhcp and one static
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| 03:14 | like:
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| 03:14 | eth0 = 10.0.0.1 (DHCP decides)
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| 03:14 | eth1 = 192.168.0.1 (static)
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| 03:14 | eth1 gateway: 10.0.01
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| 03:18 | <vpxavier> ok so gateway i put the same ip as ip address of eth0
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| 03:19 | I'm currently installing from scratch
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| 03:25 | <LTSPTNK> atleast it works for me
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| 03:26 | dunno if it needs to be so or if thats the problem
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| 03:26 | <vpxavier> I think this is correct but I guess the problem is in the dhcpd.conf or in the nat
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| 03:27 | I'm reinstalling from scratch to be sure
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| 03:36 | ok, so my /etc/network/interfaces now contains eth1 with gateway ip address = ip address of eth0
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| 03:37 | I rebooted and ifconfig shows me eth0 and eth1
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| 03:38 | now I'm installing ltsp server with #sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone or should I do something else at first?
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| 03:40 | <LTSPTNK> i guess that you are good for now, but remember to config the dhcpd.conf then
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| 03:40 | and im pretty sure that there are many here who can help u with that better than i can
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| 03:41 | <vpxavier> thanks already ;o)
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| 03:41 | <vpxavier> now editing dhcpd.conf
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| 03:41 | <LTSPTNK> ( i use the default dhcpd.conf)
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| 03:43 | <vpxavier> i can't as my eth1 is configured with ip 192.168.1.2
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| 03:43 | <Nubae> vpxavier: in order to use ltsp inside virtualbox, u need to setup 2 virtual machines
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| 03:43 | one with the ltsp-standalone-server
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| 03:43 | <vpxavier> I do
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| 03:43 | <Nubae> another that is the client
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| 03:43 | <vpxavier> that's ok
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| 03:44 | <Nubae> when starting up dhcp and ltsp server, u then startup the client vm and it should look for the image
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| 03:44 | just make sure the 2 are on the same subnet
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| 03:45 | what errors u getting in var/log?
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| 03:45 | <vpxavier> should I change something in dhcpd.conf other than the subnet (192.168.1.0), the DNS (192.168.1.2), the broadcast address (192.168.1.255) and the routers (192.168.1.2)?
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| 03:46 | ...and the ip range
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| 03:47 | <Nubae> what have u got in /etc/network/interfaces?
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| 03:47 | <vpxavier> eth0 as dhcp
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| 03:47 | eth1 as static with ip 192.168.1.2
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| 03:47 | gateway is ip of eth0
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| 03:47 | <Nubae> and in dhcpd.conf, is the server set as 1.2, also?
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| 03:48 | <vpxavier> in dhcpd.conf: subnet 192.168.1.0
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| 03:48 | <Nubae> enable get-lease-hostnames
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| 03:48 | <vpxavier> range 192.168.1.20 192.168.1.250
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| 03:49 | how?
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| 03:49 | <Nubae> and put next-server 192.168.1.2 just in case
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| 03:49 | domain-name?
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| 03:49 | <vpxavier> ok understood
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| 03:50 | <Nubae> what error do u get when starting up the client vm?
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| 03:50 | <vpxavier> in domain-name-servers, is it correct to put my isp's dns ip address?
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| 03:51 | <Nubae> no, leave it as 192.168.1.2
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| 03:51 | <vpxavier> the clients ares installed with ltsp-build-client --kiosk
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| 03:51 | <Nubae> resolv.conf should have your isp nameserves
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| 03:51 | <vpxavier> and kiosk are booting fine but firefox is not able to connect to the internet
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| 03:51 | ok
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| 03:51 | <Nubae> ahhh... I thought it wasnt loading at all
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| 03:51 | <vpxavier> ok I edit resolv
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| 03:53 | what should be in this file?
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| 03:53 | <Nubae> the 2 nameservers of your isp
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| 03:53 | do u have bind installed?
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| 03:53 | or the nameserver of your router (the one connected to the internet)
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| 03:54 | <vpxavier> at the moment, there is: nameserver 10.0.2.3
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| 03:54 | <Nubae> is that your connection to the internet?
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| 03:54 | <vpxavier> given bye virtualbox I guess
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| 03:54 | <Nubae> yeah right... well leave that in there
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| 03:54 | and underneath add the others
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| 03:55 | <vpxavier> I'll add my isp's
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| 03:55 | should I simply add "nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx"?
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| 03:57 | <Nubae> yep
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| 03:57 | <vpxavier> ok so I have nameserver 10.0.2.3
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| 03:57 | then nameserver "primary dns of my isp"
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| 03:58 | thent the same with dns2
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| 03:58 | of my isp
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| 03:58 | sudo reboot
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| 03:58 | <Nubae> not necessary to reboot
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| 03:58 | just reboot the client
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| 03:58 | <vpxavier> I'm doing everything from scratch
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| 03:59 | the ltsp-build-client --kiosk was not done, I'm doing it now after a reboot
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| 03:59 | <Nubae> so what was done then, for u to test internet?
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| 04:00 | <vpxavier> I just reinstalled my server on virtualbox from scratch
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| 04:00 | on the server I can do apt-get update
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| 04:01 | May I do "sudo ltsp-build-client --kiosk" now or is it too soon?
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| 04:01 | <Nubae> on the client too... sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get update
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| 04:01 | <vpxavier> the clients are kiosks
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| 04:01 | (will be)
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| 04:01 | <Nubae> yeah thats why, they have local files
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| 04:02 | or is this the first time u do --kiosk?
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| 04:02 | <vpxavier> it will
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| 04:02 | <Nubae> in that case ltsp-build-client like u said
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| 04:03 | <vpxavier> shoudl I do "sudo ltsp-build-client" before "sudo ltsp-build-client --kiosk"?
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| 04:03 | <Nubae> no
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| 04:03 | <vpxavier> ok i'm doing it now then
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| 04:03 | <Nubae> u are on i386 right for both virtual machines?
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| 04:03 | <vpxavier> right
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| 04:04 | <vpxavier> this will take 5 minutes
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| 04:04 | thanks already
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| 04:04 | <Nubae> k kewl, and u have internet access on the ltsp server virtualmachine?
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| 04:05 | <vpxavier> I don't know because it is a ubuntu 8.04 alternate server, but I can do apt-get update so I guess I can
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| 04:07 | <Nubae> yeah indeed, otherwise just ping google.com
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| 04:08 | <vpxavier> 72.14.207.99 ;o)
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| 04:08 | <Nubae> ok good
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| 04:09 | <vpxavier> in my last tests this worked also
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| 04:09 | but i did not update everything like now in dhcpd.conf
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| 04:09 | and resolv.conf
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| 04:11 | in the doc, I saw that ltsp server should be install on a desktop version, not an Ubuntu server, is this ok?
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| 04:14 | <Nubae> can be anything u want
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| 04:14 | as long as u install ltsp-server-standalone
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| 04:14 | !edubuntu
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| 04:14 | <ltspbot> Nubae: "edubuntu" is an Ubuntu variant especially tailored for schools. You can find it at http://www.edubuntu.org
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| 04:14 | <Nubae> hmm...
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| 04:14 | <vpxavier> don't need edubuntu
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| 04:14 | <Nubae> !ltsp
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| 04:14 | <ltspbot> Nubae: "ltsp" is LTSP is the Linux Terminal Server Project, the open source thin client solution. You can find it at http://www.ltsp.org
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| 04:14 | <Nubae> damn... there was a quick link
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| 04:15 | <vpxavier> I just want to have a web acces on wall mounted thin clients
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| 04:15 | <Nubae> anyway the easiest method is isntalling from the alternate cd
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| 04:15 | <vpxavier> lol
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| 04:15 | <Nubae> hitting f4 and then installing the ltsp server that way
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| 04:15 | <vpxavier> i'm in the best situation then
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| 04:15 | <Nubae> but u can do it from ubuntu server or desktop
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| 04:16 | <vpxavier> I have the alternate server
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| 04:16 | <Nubae> heh, yeah, when u started up, didnt u use the f4 option?
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| 04:16 | <vpxavier> f4?
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| 04:16 | <Nubae> yes the F4 key
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| 04:16 | <vpxavier> which option is it?
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| 04:16 | <Nubae> enbles ltsp-server installation
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| 04:17 | <vpxavier> didnt see it
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| 04:17 | on the alternate server?
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| 04:18 | I'm boot another virtual machine quickly while my ltsp build is running
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| 04:18 | <Nubae> yeah on startup, first screen, hit F4 and u install ltsp server
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| 04:19 | sure, to check it out... in the future u do it that way
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| 04:19 | much easier
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| 04:20 | <vpxavier> thanks for the tip
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| 04:23 | when I hit F4, I just see "normal"
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| 04:24 | <Nubae> no should give you the option of ltsp
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| 04:25 | <vpxavier> I swear!
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| 04:25 | I booted on the alternate server image
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| 04:25 | <ltsppbot> "gate_keeper" pasted "ltsp-client" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/19
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| 04:25 | <vpxavier> hitting F4 just shows 'normal' in a cell
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| 04:26 | <gatekeeper> hi guys
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| 04:26 | how's goin...
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| 04:26 | ?
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| 04:26 | ..
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| 04:26 | <vpxavier> it's the 8.04 alternate server... @gate: fine ty, and U?
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| 04:26 | <gatekeeper> i have some problem with ltsp clients
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| 04:26 | working a bit
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| 04:26 | http://pastebot.ltsp.org/19
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| 04:27 | here's the problem that came up, from the clients
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| 04:27 | the server is ubuntu alternate 8.04
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| 04:27 | busybox is showing all the time
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| 04:28 | <Nubae> alternate server... there should just be alternate cd
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| 04:28 | <gatekeeper> yes yes
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| 04:28 | alternate cd
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| 04:28 | i've tried with ubuntu-server also
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| 04:28 | <Nubae> not u gatekeeper, talking to vpxavier
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| 04:28 | <gatekeeper> same msg
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| 04:28 | <Nubae> sorry
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| 04:28 | <gatekeeper> ok, np :)
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| 04:28 | <vpxavier> ok...
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| 04:28 | <Nubae> let me load up a vm with the alternate cd...
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| 04:29 | <vpxavier> I'm installing with alternate server because I will also use lamp and other tools
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| 04:30 | <ltsppbot> "gate_keeper" pasted "ltsp-msg" (10 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/20
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| 04:30 | <vpxavier> my ltsp build finished
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| 04:30 | <gatekeeper> here's the msg from /var/log/syslog
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| 04:30 | in pastebin_20
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| 04:30 | <vpxavier> I try booting the client
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| 04:31 | it boots
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| 04:33 | <Nubae> gatekeeper: have u got just one dhcpserver for sure?
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| 04:33 | <gatekeeper> 1 dhcp server
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| 04:33 | <Nubae> the router doesnt have one built in?
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| 04:33 | <gatekeeper> router yes
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| 04:33 | the ltsp server also
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| 04:34 | <Nubae> u can only have 1
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| 04:34 | otherwise they interfere
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| 04:34 | turn dhcp off on the router
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| 04:34 | <vpxavier> firefox launches and shows me: "file not found" "firefox can't open the file at /usr/share/ubuntu-art-work/home/index.html" and when I try going on an url, it can't
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| 04:34 | <gatekeeper> okey, just a moment
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| 04:34 | <Nubae> vpxavier: go to terminal
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| 04:34 | <vpxavier> exactly what I had before
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| 04:34 | <Nubae> hit ping google.copm
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| 04:34 | <vpxavier> on the client?
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| 04:34 | <gatekeeper> to finish ltsp-build-client
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| 04:34 | :)
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| 04:36 | <Nubae> yes
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| 04:37 | <vpxavier> ...the client asks for a login in terminal... what is it?
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| 04:37 | <Nubae> did u set one?
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| 04:37 | <vpxavier> the same as on the server?
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| 04:38 | no i didnt
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| 04:38 | <Nubae> from the server, do sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ passwd
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| 04:40 | <vpxavier> done
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| 04:41 | on the client, which login should i use?
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| 04:41 | <Nubae> root
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| 04:41 | and then the password u just set
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| 04:41 | ah... but u have to rebuild client first
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| 04:41 | ltsp-update-client
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| 04:47 | <vpxavier> @Nubae: sorry my computer crashed
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| 04:48 | (VISTA... LOL... no comment)
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| 04:50 | <Nubae> damn, u're doing ltsp through vista and virtualbox?
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| 04:51 | <vpxavier> yes :'o(
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| 04:52 | <Nubae> u could have mentioned that
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| 04:52 | probably need to dns masquarade then
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| 04:52 | <vpxavier> sorry I mentioned that I used vista and ubuntu as guests
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| 04:52 | ok
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| 04:52 | <Nubae> from windows machine to client vm...
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| 04:53 | <vpxavier> the login on the client with roor doesnt work
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| 04:53 | root sorry
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| 04:53 | it asks for ltsp login
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| 04:54 | so I could test ping on the client yet
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| 04:55 | could not test
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| 04:56 | <Nubae> search for ltsp u have to rebuild the client
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| 04:56 | sorry... was supposed to be: u have to rebuild th client
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| 04:56 | the client image
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| 04:56 | ltsp-update-image
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| 04:57 | <vpxavier> again? I just installed everything from scratch
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| 04:57 | ok
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| 04:58 | <gatekeeper> networking changed ...
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| 04:58 | let's see what's gonna happed
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| 04:58 | *happend
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| 05:00 | <gatekeeper> again
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| 05:00 | same problem
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| 05:01 | <vpxavier> ok ltsp-update-image done
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| 05:02 | <Nubae> gatekeeper: eth0 is not static?
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| 05:02 | and dhcp server turned off inside the router?
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| 05:02 | s/not/now
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| 05:03 | <gatekeeper> eth0 is static
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| 05:03 | <Nubae> vpxavier: restart client, then try to login using root and the password u set
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| 05:03 | <gatekeeper> eth1 is dhcp
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| 05:03 | <Nubae> make them both static
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| 05:04 | after all eth1 is the dhcp server
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| 05:04 | <gatekeeper> yes
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| 05:04 | <vpxavier> could you gave me the command to set root password again? it says it has expired
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| 05:04 | <Nubae> then it should be sttic
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| 05:04 | <gatekeeper> i'm wrong ..
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| 05:04 | in /etc/network/interfaces
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| 05:05 | eth0 and eth1 i've made them both static
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| 05:05 | and dhcp server is listening on eth1
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| 05:05 | :)
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| 05:05 | <Nubae> and the other dhcp server is off for sure?
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| 05:05 | <gatekeeper> yes
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| 05:06 | <Nubae> vpxavier: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 05:06 | then passwd
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| 05:06 | ok, do tail -n /var/log/syslog
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| 05:07 | and then restart server
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| 05:07 | sorry client
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| 05:07 | and tell me what output u get to the screen when it gets to the busybox signal
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| 05:07 | <gatekeeper> something weird is happening, maybe this have some effect on the problem
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| 05:07 | with nfs
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| 05:09 | <ltsppbot> Someone pasted "/etc/exports: # /etc/exports:" (25 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/21
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| 05:09 | <Nubae> gatekeeper: u are not using nbd?
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| 05:10 | what version of ubuntu?
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| 05:10 | <gatekeeper> 8.04 LTS
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| 05:11 | no idea which thing can be connected with this problem http://pastebot.ltsp.org/19
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| 05:11 | <Nubae> looks like you have changed settings quite a bit
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| 05:12 | <gatekeeper> which one?
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| 05:12 | <Nubae> u should not have nfs enabled
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| 05:12 | its not used in 8.04
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| 05:12 | <gatekeeper> ok
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| 05:12 | <Nubae> where did u see u should enable that?
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| 05:12 | did u follow some old wiki instructions?
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| 05:12 | <gatekeeper> maybe
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| 05:13 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=599166&highlight=ltsp
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| 05:13 | one of them
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| 05:13 | <Nubae> ok, well, start from scratch.. its going to be quickest way
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| 05:13 | <gatekeeper> to rebuld the client?
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| 05:13 | <Nubae> when u startup the server, hit F4
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| 05:13 | no, server
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| 05:13 | <gatekeeper> ok
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| 05:13 | <Nubae> when u startup with the cd I mean
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| 05:14 | <gatekeeper> yes
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| 05:14 | <Nubae> with F4 u choose ltsp server
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| 05:14 | <vpxavier> user root is still expired on the client side
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| 05:14 | <Nubae> and it will install everything necessary
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| 05:14 | vpxavier: in the thin client install ssh-server
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| 05:15 | <vpxavier> ...before that I have to login
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| 05:15 | <Nubae> login to where?
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| 05:15 | <vpxavier> in the thin client
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| 05:15 | <Nubae> from the server... sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 05:16 | then apt-get update, apt-get install openssh-server
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| 05:16 | <vpxavier> sorry
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| 05:16 | it gives errors
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| 05:16 | <Nubae> what errors?
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| 05:17 | <vpxavier> initscript ssh, action restart failed
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| 05:17 | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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| 05:18 | <Nubae> ok do mount /proc -t proc /proc
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| 05:18 | inside chroot still
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| 05:18 | then try it again
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| 05:18 | <vpxavier> done
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| 05:18 | <Nubae> ssh server installed?
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| 05:19 | do passwd root
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| 05:19 | and then add password
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| 05:19 | lets see if that does it
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| 05:19 | <vpxavier> dont know if ssh is installed
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| 05:19 | <Nubae> did u do apt-get install openssh-server?
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| 05:19 | inside the chroot
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| 05:19 | <vpxavier> yes
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| 05:20 | <Nubae> and it didnt give errors this time?
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| 05:20 | <vpxavier> but it gave error is mentioned
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| 05:20 | <Nubae> but after the mount command
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| 05:20 | <vpxavier> just done it and it worked
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| 05:20 | <Nubae> good now do passwd root
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| 05:20 | and add password
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| 05:21 | <vpxavier> done
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| 05:21 | reboot client?
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| 05:21 | <Nubae> yes
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| 05:22 | u should now be able to ssh into the client when its loaded and check whatever u need
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| 05:22 | <vpxavier> root is still expired
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| 05:24 | <Nubae> u tried sshing into the client
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| 05:24 | ?
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| 05:24 | did u rebuild the client image?
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| 05:25 | <vpxavier> on the server: ssh root@192.168.1.250
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| 05:25 | connection refused
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| 05:25 | 192.168.1.250 is my client
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| 05:25 | yes
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| 05:27 | anyway, I think this must be something to do with dns
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| 05:27 | as a reminder, I have vista with to virtualbox machines
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| 05:27 | one is the ltsp server
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| 05:28 | the other is the ltsp client built with the kiosk option
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| 05:28 | the kiosk is booting fine but firefox can't reach the internet
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| 05:28 | the eth0 on the server has static ip 10.0.2.15
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| 05:28 | <gatekeeper> and yes
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| 05:29 | <vpxavier> sorry
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| 05:29 | <gatekeeper> nfs was the major problem
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| 05:29 | <vpxavier> dhcp
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| 05:29 | <gatekeeper> thx Nubae for help!
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| 05:29 | <vpxavier> and eth1 has static 192.168.1.2
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| 05:30 | I saw some documentation about masquerade but nothing I tried worked
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| 05:30 | (it might be because of me) I'm a newbie
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| 05:30 | <Nubae> ok, try thzis vpxavier... one second
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| 05:30 | looking for wiki article
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| 05:30 | <vpxavier> (thanks a lot for your time Nubae)
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| 05:32 | away from keyboard 1 minute
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| 05:32 | <Nubae> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowtoNAT
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| 05:32 | did u look at that?
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| 05:32 | follow that... it should masquarade
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| 05:32 | * Nubae goes for cigarette | |
| 05:34 | <vpxavier> ..back
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| 05:34 | <gatekeeper> away for lunch..bbl
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| 05:34 | <vpxavier> yes, i did... I will try again as we updated dhcpd.conf and resolv.conf together
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| 05:36 | so, 1st I create the file /etc/network/options as it does not exist yet
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| 05:38 | then: sudo sh -c 'echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward'
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| 05:39 | then sudo iptables --table nat --append POSTROUTING --jump MASQUERADE --source 192.168.0.0/24
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| 05:39 | but I replace 192.168.0.0/24 with 192.168.1.0/24
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| 05:39 | correct?
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| 05:42 | <Nubae> if that is your internal subnet, yes
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| 05:42 | <vpxavier> it is
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| 05:42 | I try
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| 05:43 | THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!
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| 05:43 | so it has something to do with the dhcpd.conf
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| 05:43 | <ogra> on hardy yu should rather use ufw ...
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| 05:43 | http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/firewall.html
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| 05:43 | <vpxavier> and resolv.conf
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| 05:43 | <ogra> that howto above is about 2 years old
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| 05:44 | <vpxavier> @ogra: talking to Nubae and I?
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| 05:45 | <ogra> yes
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| 05:46 | <vpxavier> and I should only follow the IP MASQUERANDING chapter, is that all?
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| 05:46 | <ogra> ufw is run automatically on hardy startup, just add the rules as described
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| 05:46 | +yes
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| 05:46 | that should suffice
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| 05:46 | <vpxavier> I'll try
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| 05:46 | <ogra> no need for complicated up/down scripts etc
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| 05:46 | <vpxavier> as I did not make the masquerade change permanent yet
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| 05:47 | thanks to both of you... Nubae, if you have a guest book somewhere, I'll become your biggest fan ;o)))
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| 05:47 | <ogra> btw, patches to the kiosk module are happily accepted ;) if you found probs with it we can fix them for intrepid
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| 05:48 | <Nubae> in theory though masquarading should jsut work out of the box for kiosk right?
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| 05:48 | ogra?
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| 05:48 | <ogra> no
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| 05:49 | <Nubae> heh, that should be mentioned in the plugin area of the wiki then
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| 05:49 | <ogra> well, the wiki page is a proofof concept page that predates the plugin
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| 05:49 | <vpxavier> right... this is very difficult to find for noobs like me :o/
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| 05:50 | <ogra> i truned the example code from it into the plugin at a later lrelease
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| 05:50 | <Nubae> we need some serious work done on the documentation
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| 05:50 | <ogra> that too
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| 05:50 | <vpxavier> I will try to post my experience
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| 05:50 | on just doing kiosk client running
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| 05:50 | <Nubae> I've offered to help, but no idea where to start...
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| 05:51 | <vpxavier> I saw I'm not the only newbie that's looking for something linke this
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| 05:51 | <ogra> just grab the edubuntu handbook and rip out all edubuntu specifics :)
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| 05:51 | <vpxavier> that's the difficult part
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| 05:51 | <ogra> we can then rol it into a ltsp-doc package
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| 05:51 | <vpxavier> I'll share what I know...
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| 05:51 | <Nubae> ok, I'll assign myself to that then
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| 05:52 | try and include whatever is currently relevant
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| 05:52 | but where do we upload, track it?
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| 05:52 | launchpad?
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| 05:52 | <vpxavier> Thank you, for your time guys
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| 05:52 | <ogra> i think there is only one actual chapter for ltsp in it
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| 05:52 | you should be able to reuse most of it right away ...
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| 05:53 | <vpxavier> C U...
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| 05:54 | <Nubae> I'm building the rpm for google gears for the XO, should I make a .deb too for ubuntu?
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| 05:54 | <vpxavier> bye
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| 05:55 | <Q-FUNK> google gears?
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| 05:55 | <Nubae> http://code.google.com/apis/gears/
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| 05:56 | <Q-FUNK> ah
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| 05:57 | <Nubae> using it to create offline moodle
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| 05:57 | which synchs with an online moodle upon internet reconnect
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| 05:57 | should really be called client side moodle I guess
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| 06:01 | <ogra> Nubae, yes please and ping moquist about it if he's around, he maintains moodle in ubuntu (and considers taking over the orphaned debian package as well)
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| 06:01 | #ubuntu-motu will be able to help you with getting it into the archive :)
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| 06:02 | he website doesnt actually talk about moodle though
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| 06:02 | <Nubae> gears u mean?
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| 06:03 | <ogra> yeah
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| 06:03 | <Nubae> gears is used for everything, not just moodle... google docs for example
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| 06:03 | its basically sqlite, javascript, ajax and other code to allow apps to work offline on the dekstop
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| 06:05 | its normally as a firefox extension (.xpi) but had to do an rpm build so it works for all users and works for weirdish browsers
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| 06:06 | the offline moodle is a project that requires gears
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| 06:07 | which olpc is building... but that will be a while still
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| 06:07 | <ogra> olpc ?
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| 06:07 | i thought they gave up on linux
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| 06:07 | * ogra met a lot of resigned olpc devs in prague | |
| 06:08 | <Nubae> not entirely, and the windows port will happen only in 2009
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| 06:08 | yeah indeed, everyone is pissed
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| 06:08 | but sugar goes on as its own project
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| 06:08 | <ogra> as it was before olpc anyway :)
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| 06:08 | <Nubae> which is why it was to be installed on so many new gen laptops
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| 06:08 | <ogra> just with less devs :)
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| 06:09 | <Nubae> yeah funny story... olpc got 200 shinys new laptops, painted red for the windows devs
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| 06:09 | <ogra> heh
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| 06:10 | <Nubae> 200.... wonder how much money MS threw their way
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| 06:10 | olpc europe is considering changing names, drafting up a new charter
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| 06:10 | <ogra> well, in canonical we'll (or *i*, since i'm the edu dev) focus on using the netbook remox and just have an educational app suite on that
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| 06:10 | *remix
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| 06:11 | and probably a more childish theme
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| 06:11 | <laga> 200 laptops? how many people are working there?
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| 06:11 | <Nubae> laga: my question exactly
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| 06:13 | what's nice about sugar is the colab tools
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| 06:13 | its a one click button to share any app or document with another user in the network neighbourhood
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| 06:16 | <ogra> which requires mesh networksing for which you dont even have any drivers anywhere yet apart from the hacked up olpc one
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| 06:17 | so thats a moot point
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| 06:17 | <Nubae> isnt the new classmate supposed to have mesh networking?
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| 06:17 | <ogra> it hd a chipset that supports 802.11s, yes
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| 06:17 | *has
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| 06:18 | <Nubae> and cant it use the hacked up olpc driver?
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| 06:18 | <ogra> like many oter devices
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| 06:18 | no, different chip
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| 06:18 | <Nubae> ah
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| 06:18 | <ogra> there are many out there, but as long as the wlan stack doesnt even support ad hoc you wont get that running at all
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| 06:19 | its a kernel/driver prob
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| 06:19 | thats far from being solved yet ... only in hackish ways on the very top level ... i.e. with avahi
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| 06:20 | <Nubae> well its a great feature for education nevertheless
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| 06:21 | we'll see if anyone thinks sugar is going to live past the XO
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| 06:21 | <ogra> its packaged in 20 packages or so in ubuntu
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| 06:21 | so i'd expect someone to do something with them any time in the future
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| 06:27 | <LTSPTNK> any clue where i could hit some help with this AD shit?
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| 06:38 | <aidy> guys seriously, is there any way that i don't have to redownload all those .deb files if i do something stupid that makes the script error out?
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| 06:39 | i did this ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --workstation Ubuntu which asks to enter a username to give root privileges to, and i accidentally entered 'root' and then it says the 'root' group already exists and then it says 'error: installation interrupted'
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| 06:39 | and if you try again it complains about the directory /opt/ltsp/i386 already existing
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| 06:40 | <aidy> great engineering :( sorry for the rant but i'm getting frustrated by this
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| 06:43 | <Nubae> aidy: delete that directory
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| 06:44 | and run the plugin again
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| 06:44 | <LTSPTNK> sudo rm -R /opt/ltsp/i386 if it says that htey allrdy exist
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| 06:44 | <aidy> yes I'm not stupid... what i want to prevent is that it has to download the whole thing again
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| 06:45 | while really, there should be a way for the scripts to continue after an error
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| 06:45 | <Nubae> well, there isn't
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| 06:45 | u could try and set the user yourself
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| 06:45 | <aidy> great that's a huge bandwith waste
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| 06:46 | Nubae: yes but there was some other stuff that still needs to be done i'm sure
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| 06:46 | <Nubae> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/fati386
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| 06:46 | <aidy> yes thanks i also know how to chroot
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| 06:46 | <Nubae> well, check the plugin... think thats already towards the end
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| 06:46 | aidy: do u want help or just to vent?
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| 06:48 | <aidy> I want help :)
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| 06:48 | ogra has joined #ltsp | |
| 06:48 | <aidy> im just a bit frustrated.
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| 06:48 | <Nubae> well its not our fault u didnt read the instructions properly
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| 06:49 | <aidy> wait i'll show you
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| 06:50 | <aidy> also i don't think there are instructions that tell you to enter a non-existing user if it asks for one
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| 06:50 | http://omploader.org/vbDdn
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| 06:50 | <Nubae> (01:38:18 PM) aidy: i did this ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --workstation Ubuntu which asks to enter a username to give root privileges to, and i accidentally entered 'root' and then it says the 'root' group already exists and then it says 'error: installation interrupted'
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| 06:51 | clearly a user with root priveledges is nto the same as root
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| 06:51 | <aidy> i don't know, that's up to interpretation...
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| 06:51 | <Nubae> it even says admin priveledges
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| 06:52 | <aidy> okay okay
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| 06:52 | <Nubae> well, not to waste time, 2 things u can do
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| 06:52 | <aidy> so where do i find out where in the script the error occured?
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| 06:53 | <Nubae> cat <workstationscript>| grep "admin priviledges"
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| 06:54 | <aidy> nice
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| 06:54 | <aidy> i can do that manually
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| 06:54 | <alkisg> aidy, you may install apt-cacher to avoid redownloading debs: http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-set-up-a-repository-cache-with-apt-cacher
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| 06:54 | <Nubae> I've installed the workstation script lots of times and I've done it manually too... I believe its towards the end
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| 06:54 | so u can create the user manually
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| 06:54 | the one with admin privs.
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| 06:54 | <aidy> after i complete the workstation script, theres nothing left to do?
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| 06:54 | <Nubae> not iirc
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| 06:55 | <aidy> alkisg: thanks :)
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| 07:01 | <vpxavier> re hello every one
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| 07:02 | <vpxavier> @Nubae and ogra
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| 07:02 | I installed ltsp kiosk with ufw
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| 07:02 | it works perfectly
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| 07:02 | <ogra> great to hear :)
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| 07:02 | <Q-FUNK> :)
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| 07:03 | <vpxavier> I just have to find how to enable TFTP boot for my clients because ufw is blocking it
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| 07:03 | <vpxavier> but masquerading works
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| 07:03 | <Q-FUNK> vpxavier: try this:
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| 07:03 | <vpxavier> and its easier indeed with ufw
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| 07:04 | <Q-FUNK> ufw allow tftp
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| 07:05 | <vpxavier> Utra SIMPLE Firewall they said.... they were right...
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| 07:05 | <Q-FUNK> you might also wanna edit /etc/default/ufw and add:
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| 07:05 | <vpxavier> thanks Q-FUNK
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| 07:05 | <Q-FUNK> works?
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| 07:05 | <vpxavier> yes
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| 07:05 | <Q-FUNK> and it loads the image now?
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| 07:06 | <vpxavier> sorry... it boots...
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| 07:06 | but after the ubuntu logo, I have a black screen
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| 07:06 | <Q-FUNK> it's probably trying to figure out which driver to load
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| 07:06 | for X
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| 07:06 | what hardware do you use?
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| 07:07 | <vpxavier> it works if ufw is disabled
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| 07:07 | <Q-FUNK> ufw enable xdmcp
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| 07:07 | <vpxavier> I guess I have to enable another port
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| 07:07 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: actually, does ldm use xdmcp or something else?
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| 07:08 | <ogra> ldm uses ssh ...
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| 07:08 | * ogra was assuming Q-FUNK knew that | |
| 07:08 | <Q-FUNK> vpxavier: in that case, it woould be:
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| 07:08 | ufx enable ssh
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| 07:08 | ööö
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| 07:08 | ufw enable ssh
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| 07:09 | <ogra> i doubt he needs that ... using kiosk mode
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| 07:09 | there is no ldm involved anywhere
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| 07:09 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: then what does he need to enable? plain x11 ?
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| 07:09 | <ogra> no, jst tftp is fine
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| 07:10 | <Q-FUNK> he doesn't get his X
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| 07:10 | <ogra> in kiosk mode the browser runs locally as the session
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| 07:10 | <stgraber> tftp+nbd
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| 07:10 | <ogra> oh, right, nbd
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| 07:10 | <stgraber> tcp/2000 for NBD, not sure ufw knows about it
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| 07:10 | <Q-FUNK> stgraber: that would be /etc/services
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| 07:10 | <vpxavier> so, tftp, ssh, xdmcp, and nbd?
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| 07:11 | <Q-FUNK> vpxavier: only tftp and nbd
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| 07:11 | <stgraber> for kiosk you only need : tftp (to get the kernel) and nbd (to get the root system)
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| 07:11 | <vpxavier> I'm trying
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| 07:11 | <stgraber> ssh is needed when you connect to a terminal server which you don't and xdmcp is no longer used with LTSP5
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| 07:12 | <Q-FUNK> ufw allow 2000/tcp
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| 07:12 | <aidy> Nubae: what do i do with # get the write-permission for a couple directories and files right for unionfs echo 'copy_dirs="$copy_dirs /var/lib/urandom' $LOCALHOME'"' >> $ROOT/etc/default/ltsp-client-setup
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| 07:12 | <Q-FUNK> man ufw
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| 07:12 | lovely man page. simeple and up to the point.
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| 07:14 | <vpxavier> sudo ufw allow nbd: ERROR: Bad port
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| 07:15 | <ogra> ufw allow 2000/tcp
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| 07:15 | :)
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| 07:15 | bd isnt in /etc/services so ufw doesnt know it by name
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| 07:15 | *nbd
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| 07:15 | <vpxavier> oki
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| 07:16 | <Q-FUNK> et la? ca marche?
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| 07:17 | <vpxavier> je teste lol
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| 07:17 | much better
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| 07:18 | it works
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| 07:18 | thanks guys
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| 07:18 | merci Q
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| 07:20 | <Q-FUNK> team work (tm)
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| 07:20 | <vpxavier> @ogra: if I enable ufw, everything is denied except the ports allowed? or are there default rules
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| 07:20 | <ogra> no idea, jdstrand in #ubuntu-server is its developer ... i never used it myself
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| 07:21 | <vpxavier> ok will try then ;o)
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| 07:21 | <ogra> i just know that its our default tool starting with hardy and makes everything easier :)
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| 07:21 | <vpxavier> I will install LTSP on top of a LAMP and asterisk server
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| 07:21 | <Q-FUNK> VoIP on the kiosk clients?
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| 07:22 | <vpxavier> at the beginning, it will be for SIP devices but if it is possible to have it working on a KIOSK client I won't be able to sleep tonight ;o)))
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| 07:23 | <vpxavier> is it?
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| 07:24 | <Q-FUNK> it should be
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| 07:24 | running ekiga on the clients and asterisk on the server
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| 07:24 | I'm not sure if anyone ever tried it, but it would make a nice and simple office system
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| 07:25 | <vpxavier> I will write a wiki on my experience after that because I know a lot of office wants this
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| 07:26 | <ogra> you dont have any desktop on kiosks ...
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| 07:26 | or launchers or so
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| 07:26 | <vpxavier> is it possible to install ekiga for clients in "kiosk" mode (ltsp-build-client --kiosk)
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| 07:26 | <ogra> firefox is the session ...
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| 07:26 | <Q-FUNK> right. he'd need to create a kiosk variant with a few apps and a minimalist desktop using e.g. icewm
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| 07:27 | <stgraber> vpxavier: you'll have to create a custom session script and install a window manager + ekiga in the chroot
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| 07:27 | <ogra> right, something like that
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| 07:27 | metacity is installed
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| 07:27 | <ogra> you need launchers etc
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| 07:27 | and tweak the devilspie setup to not force ff into fullscreen on startup ...
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| 07:28 | <ByPasS> morning ogra :)
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| 07:28 | <ogra> hi
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| 07:28 | <vpxavier> It will be too difficult for me I think
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| 07:30 | My goal is to have the following:
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| 07:31 | 1) firefox with a different home page for each thin client (based on ip or mac address)
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| 07:31 | 2) SIP softphone
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| 07:31 | <ByPasS> ogra : quick question, in order to be able to ssh in from thinclient to the ltsp server itself, is it only key/auth to be tweaked ?
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| 07:32 | <ogra> well, installing ekiga is one thing for 2) .... but you need some way to switch it on and off
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| 07:32 | ByPasS, sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 07:32 | and you indeed need a fully working desktop on the server to log in to
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| 07:33 | <vpxavier> 3) a slideshow with pictures on the ltsp server as screensaver
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| 07:33 | 4) a music / movie player
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| 07:33 | <vpxavier> 5) auto login
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| 07:34 | 6) a coffee machine ;op
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| 07:34 | <Q-FUNK> a kitchen sink
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| 07:37 | <vpxavier> is this compatible with LTSP?
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| 07:38 | <ogra> sure, but it involves hackery
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| 07:38 | its linux ... everything is possible :)
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| 07:38 | <vpxavier> ..I agree... but not always easy ;o)
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| 07:39 | * ogra didnt mention "easy" in any of the sentences abov :) | |
| 07:39 | <ogra> e
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| 07:39 | <vpxavier> | |
| 07:39 | LOL
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| 07:40 | AFK 5 minutes sorry
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| 07:40 | <ogra> so ... install pypanel in the chroot ... install the apps you want there as well, modify /home/kiosk/.xsession to run pypanel, drop devilspie
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| 07:40 | that should roughly get you into the right direction
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| 07:49 | <aidy> hi i set up a workstation thin client, but when booting it up, it hangs at 'starting nfs common utilities'
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| 07:57 | <vpxavier> sorry I've been kicked...
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| 07:57 | by vista
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| 07:58 | <vpxavier> i didn't see answers about my questions on requirements about my project
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| 07:58 | <ogra> <ogra> so ... install pypanel in the chroot ... install the apps you want there as well, modify /home/kiosk/.xsession to run pypanel, drop devilspie
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| 07:58 | <ogra> that should roughly get you into the right direction
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| 07:59 | <vpxavier> I'll try
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| 07:59 | what is devilspie?
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| 08:00 | <ogra> (replace the firefox command in the .xsession file with pypanel and you will have pypanel as session instead of firefox)
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| 08:00 | a tool that enhances metacity (teh window manager) to have capabilities like forcing apps into fullscreen if tehy open
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| 08:02 | <vpxavier> thanks
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| 08:03 | so just installing the apps on my server, then pypanel in chroot
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| 08:03 | <ogra> no
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| 08:03 | all in the chroot
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| 08:04 | <vpxavier> ok
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| 08:04 | <ogra> (apart from the screensaver stuff that you want on the server indeed)
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| 08:08 | <vpxavier> will autologin work also?
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| 08:08 | <ogra> doesnt it already ?
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| 08:09 | thats something the kiosk plugin should have set up
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| 08:09 | <vpxavier> yes but i was wondering if it would work in kiosk mode
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| 08:09 | OK
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| 08:09 | I'll try now then
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| 08:09 | <ogra> if you dont break it on purpose it should just go on to work :)
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| 08:23 | <vpxavier> when I try apt-get in chroot, I get sudo: unable to resolve host 'nameofmyserver'
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| 08:24 | <ogra> dont use sudo *inside* the choot
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| 08:24 | the sudo command already made you root
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| 08:24 | err
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| 08:24 | s/sudo/shroot/
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| 08:25 | gah
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| 08:25 | *chroot
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| 08:25 | <vpxavier> ok...
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| 08:30 | <vpxavier> get an error: E: Sub-process /urs/bin/dpkg returned an error code(1) when installing ekiga
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| 08:30 | in chroot
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| 08:31 | <ogra> thats only the result ... the actual error should be above thats omewhere
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| 08:31 | <vpxavier> ok I see...ty
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| 08:34 | <aidy> how do i use apt-cacher with ltsp-build-client?
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| 08:35 | <ogra> what for ?
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| 08:35 | just use --keep-packages
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| 08:35 | and make sure your server doesnt wipe the downloads
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| 08:37 | <daduke> Gadi: howdy. Back in May we talked about rdesktop on :8, remember? We agreed on me getting back to you in July. tataaaa, here I am ;)
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| 08:38 | <aidy> ogra: what does --keep-packages do?
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| 08:38 | ogra: what i want to achieve is that when i do a new build it won't download everything again
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| 08:38 | * ogra points to ltsp-build-client --extra-help | |
| 08:40 | <aidy> ty
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| 08:41 | * Gadi waves to daduke, and seems to recall he said end of July (after hackfest) :) | |
| 08:41 | <vpxavier> the exact error is can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)
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| 08:41 | <daduke> Gadi: my bad. But you're off the hook anyway. Let me just give you the short version:
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| 08:41 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 08:42 | <ogra> dont you let him of the hook !
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| 08:42 | <Gadi> it took ogra a long time just to get me on the hook!
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| 08:42 | ;)
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| 08:42 | <ogra> :)
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| 08:42 | <daduke> Gadi: Windows Server 2008 respawns the login window every 30 s. There's no way to change that (we talked to M$ directly), but it causes rdesktop to be restarted constantly and always switches to :8 from :7 if you're in X.
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| 08:43 | <Gadi> right - that one I told you how to solve
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| 08:43 | make a wrapper for rdesktop, put it in a loop, and call the wrapper from the screen script
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| 08:44 | <daduke> Gadi: what I now did is insert echo Press return to activate rdesktop... and read foo into /usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/rdesktop
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| 08:44 | <Gadi> ugly, but effective
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| 08:44 | :)
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| 08:44 | <daduke> Gadi: exactly. solves our problem.
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| 08:45 | Gadi: I might still try the wrapper at some point tho
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| 08:45 | <Gadi> nice thing about the wrapper is you dont keep respawning X
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| 08:45 | <vpxavier> @ogra: when trying to install in chroot, I've error "Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts no mounted?)
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| 08:46 | <daduke> Gadi: true.
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| 08:46 | <Gadi> (for example, your way breaks the niceties of session migration in rdp)
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| 08:46 | <daduke> Gadi: true too. Haven't gone into any such details yet.
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| 08:46 | Gadi: ok, I'll work on the wrapper tomorrow ;)
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| 08:47 | <Gadi> !seen sbalneav
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| 08:47 | <ltspbot> Gadi: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 2 weeks, 6 days, 16 hours, 22 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <sbalneav> I'll pop in later tonight. Off home for the day.
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| 08:47 | <Gadi> *sigh*
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| 08:47 | <daduke> Gadi: is this just for me or also for other LTSP ppl?
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| 08:47 | <Gadi> whats that?
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| 08:47 | the rdesktop stuff?
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| 08:48 | <daduke> Gadi: would this wrapper be of a more general interest?
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| 08:48 | <Gadi> definitely - rdesktop is the bastard step-son of this project
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| 08:48 | doesn't get the love from anybody
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| 08:48 | <daduke> Gadi: I see.
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| 08:48 | <Gadi> :)
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| 08:48 | personally, I am not sure why the screen script is included
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| 08:49 | <ogra> vpxavier, thats normal moaning and can be ignored
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| 08:49 | it wont affect anything
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| 08:50 | <daduke> Gadi: I also haven't been able to make local USB devs work, but I only tried for 5 mins or so
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| 08:50 | <Gadi> hehe - that takes secret sauce
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| 08:50 | <daduke> Gadi: great
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| 08:50 | <Gadi> but, it is largely coupled to core mechanisms
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| 08:50 | so, I have to redo a lot of it for latest ltsp revisions
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| 08:51 | and then, code it in such a way as to be accepted upstream
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| 08:51 | :)
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| 08:51 | I love that we have an upstream
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| 08:51 | <daduke> Gadi: and by the end of July we'll talk to vagrantc to do the etch backports? of whatever we have at that time?
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| 08:52 | <Gadi> right - that would be the plan
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| 08:52 | <daduke> Gadi: sounds like a good plan.
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| 08:52 | <Gadi> but, first, I think we need to review the code we have at hackfest
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| 08:52 | and do some polish work
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| 08:52 | <daduke> Gadi: the one in OR I'm not able to attend?
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| 08:52 | <Gadi> and architecture thinking and such
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| 08:52 | right
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| 08:52 | the self same
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| 08:53 | <ogra> polish work ? how about the romanian, italian and german work ?
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| 08:53 | <daduke> Gadi: have fun. I hope northern CA's not burning any more till then
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| 08:53 | <Gadi> ogra: have you been taking ur meds?
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| 08:53 | :)
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| 08:53 | <ogra> :P
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| 08:54 | <Gadi> brb
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| 08:54 | <daduke> ogra: notice the non-capital 'p'
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| 08:54 | <ogra> pfft ... tpyos lal het tiem
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| 08:55 | <daduke> yeah right. I'm outta here for today.
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| 09:01 | <vpxavier> @ogra, there are also dependenciy problems for ekiga in chroot
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| 09:21 | <lejo_> the /usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/ldm script seems to turn my numlock off. How can I change this behaviour. It's on during the boot of the TC but as soon as this script is executed it's turned off again. I tried to add numlockx to the script but without success
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| 09:23 | if I login to the TC afterwards and type DISPLAY=:7 numlockx on it does work
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| 09:23 | <vpxavier> how to set the home page for kiosk clients?
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| 09:29 | <LastLemming> LTSP 5 is released spring 2007, right?
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| 10:12 | <epoxy|w3rk> where should i go to add more sessions to ldm? i'm redoing a system and i cant remember
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| 10:12 | * epoxy|w3rk tried to ponder | |
| 10:17 | <moa> /usr/share/xsessions?
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| 10:18 | <epoxy|w3rk> hehe.. weird..
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| 10:19 | lyle:/usr/share/xsessions# update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
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| 10:19 | No alternatives for x-session-manager.
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| 10:19 | and fluxbox is in /usr/share/xsessions
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| 10:19 | but does not show in preferences->sessins
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| 10:19 | ( in LDM login screen )
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| 10:21 | <LastLemming> nbd is better than nfs? how?
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| 10:21 | <Nubae> 2 times faster LastLemming
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| 10:22 | on startup
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| 10:22 | and more stable connection
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| 10:22 | <vpxavier> does anyone know how to set a default home page for firefox for ltsp kiosk clients
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| 10:24 | <chrisjrob> vpxavier: any use - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxMandatoryPreferences
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| 10:24 | <vpxavier> I'll check this, thanks!
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| 10:27 | are you sure it works with kiosk clients?
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| 10:30 | <chrisjrob> vpxavier: sorry, haven't run kiosks myself, but that's how you do it for Firefox
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| 10:30 | <vpxavier> ok Thanks chris
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| 10:31 | <ogra> LastLemming, ltsp 5 was released about 3 years ago in ubuntu breezy the first time and about 2 years ago in debian etch ...
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| 10:33 | LastLemming, nfs doesnt sork with unionfs, so you have to make a lot of effort to get parts of the filesystem writable, that makes booting very slow ... nbd devices can just be used with unionfs so you have a writable fs in ram nearly immediately ...
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| 10:33 | <laga> you can use aufs in ubuntu hardy AFAIK
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| 10:33 | <ogra> sure
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| 10:34 | <laga> or at least hack it in very easily
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| 10:34 | <ogra> and its default in intrepid :)
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| 10:34 | <laga> yay
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| 10:35 | <Nubae> hmm interpretation, nfs will be faster with intrepid?
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| 10:36 | <laga> interesting point. i'm not sure if aufs will influence performance with NFS that much
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| 10:38 | <ogra> Nubae, nfs can never be faster
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| 10:39 | <Nubae> why?
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| 10:42 | <ogra> for one nbd ists on a lower level ...
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| 10:42 | *sits
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| 10:43 | <Nubae> ah didnt mean faster than nbd, faster than current nfs
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| 10:43 | <ogra> the copying of files into ramfs and tarring up of dirs for the writable bits is still the default and i wont implement anything for it ...
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| 10:43 | <epoxy|w3rk> bleh..fixed my ldm error. Damn permissions :)
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| 10:43 | <Nubae> :-)
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| 10:44 | <ogra> so booting nfs is and will stay a pain untl someone reimplements it in ltsp ... ubuntu will stay with the nbd setup though
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| 10:44 | <LastLemming> someone tried to change ldm languages?
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| 10:44 | <ogra> which means i wont look deeper into nfs beyond applying patches for fixes i get sent ...
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| 10:44 | <LastLemming> nothing change
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| 10:48 | <vpxavier> I'm a little confused... nobody here used LTSP with kiosk clients and another default homepage? I thought this was a FAQ
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| 10:51 | <LastLemming> I don't know what it's kiosk :)
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| 10:53 | <vpxavier> lastlemming: a mode where your ltsp client boot via PXE, log in automatically and firefox is launched
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| 10:54 | (nice if you want a shared computer to be uses only for web browsing)
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| 10:57 | <ogra> add a line with: user_pref("browser.startup.homepage", "http://your/homepage/url") to /opt/ltsp/kiosk/etc/firefox-3.0/profile/prefs.js
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| 10:57 | <ogra> then run ltsp-update-image
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| 10:58 | * ogra goes afk for a while | |
| 11:02 | <vpxavier> I try this but the correct path to the js file seem to be /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/firefox-3.0/profile
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| 11:03 | <cronopio> Hi All!!
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| 11:03 | <cronopio> It's somebody awake??
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| 11:04 | <cronopio> I have a little problem with a terminals
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| 11:04 | <laga> no
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| 11:06 | * cronopio excuses himself for his bad English | |
| 11:06 | <laga> cronopio: just ask
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| 11:06 | if someone knows they will answer :)
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| 11:06 | <vpxavier> @ogra: it doesn't work... home page is still http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/
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| 11:07 | <cronopio> The problem is a shakes in terminals, I think the problem is with refresh with X, but i dont shure
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| 11:08 | <cronopio> I'm don't using LTSP, I using Thin Client thats connect to XDMCP
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| 11:16 | <cronopio> the bad it's that i dont know how to search the problem, i can't explain good
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| 11:42 | <aidy> hi
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| 11:42 | is it possible to add a line to /etc/hosts on the thin client?
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| 11:55 | <ogra> aidy, crete an etc/hosts.ltsp file in the chroot
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| 11:55 | *create
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| 11:55 | <aidy> ah thanks ;)
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| 11:55 | syntax is the same?
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| 11:56 | <ogra> yes, it gets merged on client boot
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| 11:56 | <aidy> okay :)
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| 12:05 | <aidy> also, the timezone information seems to be wrong
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| 12:11 | <ogra> it should be the servers info
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| 12:11 | it gets copied over during chroot creation (in ubuntu at least)
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| 12:12 | <ogra> the 035-copy-timezone plugin does that in ltsp-build-client
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| 12:19 | <aidy> wierd...
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| 12:30 | <aidy> what's the best way to mount an nfs filesystem on boot of the thin client?
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| 12:36 | <epoxy|w3rk> fstab or throw the manual commands in a rc script?
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| 12:41 | <ByPasS> I dunno if ur still there ogra, but i think i forgot to mention something this morning
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| 12:45 | i want to ssh from thinclient to ltsp server BUT
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| 12:45 | the thinclient is running with SCREEN_02=shell
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| 12:46 | I can ssh to the server when im chroot on server but wont work on the thin itself even after the 2 commands u told me to run this morning
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| 13:26 | <moa> Has anyone ran into the problem of a random black screen with only a cursor at login?
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| 13:40 | <ByPasS> moa : new install ?
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| 13:40 | <moa> Old install
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| 13:41 | It's been running just fine for over a year now.
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| 13:41 | The only thing that has changed is the amount of users logged in.
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| 13:55 | <Gadi> moa: did you recently do an upgrade of the openssl package on the server?
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| 13:55 | if so, run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 13:55 | and reboot
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| 13:55 | (the terminal)
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| 13:56 | if it is not related to that, another thing to check is to run: sudo pkill -u <username>
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| 13:56 | where username is the name of the user getting the black screen
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| 13:56 | and relog in
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| 13:58 | <Yoshi47> can someone lead me in the right direction of connection to an exsisting xdmcp session or atleat vnc
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| 13:58 | <Gadi> you mean take over a running session?
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| 13:59 | <Yoshi47> i wouldn't mine finding that out too?
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| 13:59 | <Gadi> ?
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| 13:59 | what is your question exactly?
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| 13:59 | <Yoshi47> *i wouldn't mind find that out too!
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| 14:00 | <lejo_> Gadi: somehow the screen_session or configure-x.sh script is turning off numlock. It's on during the start of my TC until those scripts are executed. Can I change this behaviour or run the numlockx command somewhere in a script?
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| 14:00 | <Yoshi47> i have users here that our on xdmcp session and would like to vnc/equivelant on to it to help them out
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| 14:00 | <Gadi> lejo_: yes - numlock status gets reset when X inits
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| 14:01 | lejo_: numlockx should be an xclient, so you should be able to run it as a startup script of the X session server-side
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| 14:01 | Yoshi47: LTSP 5 or 4.2?
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| 14:01 | <Yoshi47> gentoo Xorg configure to allow xdmcp requests
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| 14:02 | <Gadi> are you using LTSP?
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| 14:02 | <Yoshi47> nope
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| 14:02 | <Gadi> heh
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| 14:02 | <Yoshi47> haven't seen the need too.
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| 14:02 | <Gadi> funny place to ask the question
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| 14:02 | <ogra> if they run gnome they just can enable remote desktop sharing in the desktop session
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| 14:02 | <Gadi> :D
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| 14:02 | <Yoshi47> yeah i figure that
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| 14:02 | they running xfce
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| 14:02 | <ogra> well, that asnt such a feature
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| 14:02 | *hasnt
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| 14:03 | <Gadi> run x11vnc
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| 14:03 | and configure it
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| 14:03 | <lejo_> Gadi: thx, that is very helpfull already! Could you point me to an existing X session startup script (to which I can add it perhaps?)
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| 14:03 | <Yoshi47> and how to i find what dispay a user has with xdmcp
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| 14:03 | <ogra> or install vino :)
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| 14:03 | <Yoshi47> so i can connect to it with vnc
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| 14:03 | <Gadi> Yoshi47: try typing: w
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| 14:04 | or: last -a |grep still
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| 14:04 | or some such
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| 14:04 | :)
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| 14:05 | <Yoshi47> ok that helps a little
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| 14:05 | now i have to configure X11vnc
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| 14:05 | or is there something better
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| 14:05 | real?
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| 14:06 | <Gadi> lejo_: echo "numlockx on || true" >00numlockOn; sudo cp 00numlockOn /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
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| 14:06 | <ogra> well, vino is what gnome uses, not sure how many dependencies that pulls in though, but that gives the user a little gui where he can enable it himself
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| 14:07 | so if he has probs he can allow you to access it ... and else he can swith it off
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> Yoshi47: just start x11vnc on boot of the client
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| 14:07 | <ogra> by just checking checkbox
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> with the "wait" parameter
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| 14:07 | <Yoshi47> i want to force it.
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> don't forget to set up some password creds and such
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| 14:07 | its all in man x11vnc
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| 14:07 | <Yoshi47> yeppers
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| 14:07 | <ogra> right, then you need to install it on the client
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| 14:07 | <Yoshi47> ok
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| 14:07 | thanks.
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> prolly some howtos on google, as well
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| 14:08 | but, you'll get the idea
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| 14:08 | <Yoshi47> would be nice to get it from the server then i would have to remeber what client they are on.
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> last -a |grep still
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| 14:08 | <Yoshi47> yep i can use that.
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> or "w"
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| 14:09 | should work, too
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| 14:09 | <Yoshi47> last -a |grep still doesn't bring up one user that is on
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| 14:09 | <Gadi> sounds like wtmp is not being updated properly
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| 14:10 | should be done by your display manager
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| 14:10 | <ogra> right
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| 14:10 | <Gadi> (yet another thing to add to the list for ldm, btw)
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| 14:10 | :)
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| 14:11 | <ogra> ??
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| 14:11 | <Gadi> update wtmp
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| 14:11 | <ogra> ldm has nothing to do with wtmp
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| 14:11 | ssh is responsible
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| 14:11 | <Gadi> ah, ok
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| 14:11 | does ssh do this properly?
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| 14:11 | it hadn't in the past
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| 14:11 | <ogra> no idea
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| 14:11 | if not, thats an ssh bug
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| 14:12 | <Gadi> ah
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| 14:12 | seems to work here
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| 14:12 | so, I guess we're good
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| 14:12 | :)
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| 14:12 | <ogra> ldm is responsible for .dmrc ... which ist doesnt handle yet :)
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| 14:12 | but surely not for any other login process related things :)
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| 14:13 | <Gadi> dont call me shirley
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| 14:14 | <vagrantc> Gadi: if you don't respond, then people probably won't call you that anymore.
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| 14:17 | <Yoshi47> so if i wanted to take over an exsisting session how would i do that?
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| 14:17 | <Gadi> Yoshi47: if x11vnc is running on the client once X starts...
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| 14:17 | <Yoshi47> via xdmcp?
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| 14:18 | <Gadi> then you need only: vncviewer <ip of client>
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| 14:18 | <Yoshi47> so there is no way without vnc?
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| 14:18 | <Gadi> not XDMCP, X
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| 14:18 | no
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| 14:18 | <Yoshi47> ok.
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| 14:18 | <Gadi> you need to use vnc
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| 14:18 | whats wrong with vnc?
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| 14:18 | :)
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| 14:19 | <Yoshi47> nothing, just wondering if there was a direct X way of doing it since you can start up X remotely i would just make sense that you got connect to an exsisting xdmcp
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc> well, you could implement a man-in-the-middle attack if you really knew what you were doing.
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| 14:21 | surely there's scripts out there to handle that...
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| 14:21 | but that's hardly a clean way to handle it :)
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| 14:22 | <Yoshi47> nice
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| 14:23 | <Pascal_1> bsoir atertous
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| 14:28 | <lejo_> Gadi: the file in /etc/X11/Xsession.d does not get picked up by ldm/X
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| 14:28 | <lejo_> I added an echo statement to it which writes something in /tmp but the file in /tmp does not get created (so the script is not called)
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| 14:38 | <Gadi> try moving it to: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/55numlockx
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| 14:38 | I have one just like that and works for me
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| 14:38 | mine actually reads:
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| 14:39 | # X session startup script: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/55numlockx
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| 14:39 | if [ -x /usr/bin/numlockx ]; then /usr/bin/numlockx on; fi
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| 14:39 | # EOF
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| 14:40 | <Gadi> perms are 644 (owned by root)
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| 14:44 | <moa> has ltsp5 been ported over to gentoo yet?
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| 14:54 | <vagrantc> moa: johnny and dberkholz have put some work into it.
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| 14:59 | <moa> What would be the next best distro to use?
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| 15:00 | <vagrantc> well, LTSP has been longest supported in ubuntu, shortly followed by debian...
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> but it really depends on what you mean by best...
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| 15:01 | if you're more comfortable with fedora or opensuse, those also have recent implementations as well
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| 15:02 | <moa> I'm looking for something stripped down, all we need is a few applications.
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| 15:02 | web browser, im client, and a terminal.
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| 15:47 | <dberkholz> vagrantc, moa: mostly johnny, really. all my initial work is in code heaven at this point =)
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| 15:48 | <vagrantc> dberkholz: i know you haven't done much lately. we'll work you real hard for the hackfest. :)
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| 15:48 | <dberkholz> vagrantc: yeah, i basically see it as an opportunity to really make sure things are integrated properly since i'm intimately familiar with gentoo and X
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| 15:49 | turning the code from semi-rough draft into polished product
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| 15:50 | <vagrantc> hear hear!
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