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Channel log from 22 June 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 11:11 | <Q-FUNK> do we have any way to pass the framebuffer resolution via lts.conf ?
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| 11:13 | or any cmdline option?
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| 11:14 | <ogra_cmpc> usplash.conf iirc
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| 11:16 | <Q-FUNK> I need something that acts before that, to debug bug #241307
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| 11:16 | I really need something to pass options to the bootloader
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| 11:17 | for PXE, it's /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 11:17 | but I don't know where to do that for mkelfimage options
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| 11:32 | <Q-FUNK> ogra_cmpc: did we change anything in the default boot options, since gutsy?
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| 15:33 | <vagrantc> ogra: so, ltsp-client-builder is completely borked in lenny ... wondering if it might have to do with debconf frontends or something ... i seem to recall you having some trouble with that.
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| 15:34 | ogra: fails at the ltsp-build-client call ... works if i run it manually from a d-i shell.
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| 16:38 | <ogra_cmpc> vagrantc, weird
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| 16:39 | which code did you use ? ubuntus or debians
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| 16:40 | <laga> i *believe* i encountered similar odd failures which were caused by debconf priority.. eg a question wasn't shown which made my modifications fail
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| 16:40 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: debian's ... although that part of the code isn't any different.
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| 16:40 | <laga> just a guess. ;)
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| 16:41 | <ogra_cmpc> vagrantc, well, did you look ? ubuntus l-c-b is surely twice as big
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| 16:41 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: yes, i've been trying to merge the two manually...
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| 16:41 | <ogra_cmpc> ouch
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| 16:41 | * ogra_cmpc wouldnt have tried that | |
| 16:42 | <ogra_cmpc> is there any change in the debian version at all ?
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| 16:42 | <vagrantc> it's actually only about 11 lines longer than what's in lenny
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| 16:42 | * ogra_cmpc thought thats the one we used since the beginning | |
| 16:42 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: there's a few changes.
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| 16:42 | <ogra_cmpc> oh
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| 16:42 | * vagrantc files another "please push your branches" request | |
| 16:43 | * ogra_cmpc will have to, thursday is debian import and merge freeze | |
| 16:43 | <ogra_cmpc> it will be up next week
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| 16:43 | <vagrantc> we're about to hit a freeze in debian ...
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| 16:43 | <Nuba1> yay for Spain!
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| 16:44 | <vagrantc> sometime early to middle of july
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| 16:44 | <ogra_cmpc> Nuba1, ? did they win ?
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| 16:44 | <Nuba1> yup
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| 16:44 | 4-2 penalties
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| 16:45 | the curse is finally lifted... they haven't been in semifinals, in eufa or fifa, ever...
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| 16:45 | * ogra_cmpc will travel a lot during july | |
| 16:46 | <Nuba1> so that probably means Germany Spain in finals... that would be fun
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| 16:48 | <ogra_cmpc> vagrantc, i think i will grab your ldm but split out themes completely and make a ldm-themes-generic package that provides ldm-themes and hard depend on ldm-themes with ldm ... then other themes can provide that too ...
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| 16:49 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: what themes in ldm-themes-generic ?
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| 16:49 | <ogra_cmpc> ltsp only
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| 16:49 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: just ltsp ?
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| 16:49 | that makes sense.
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| 16:49 | <ogra_cmpc> you can then make an ldm-themes-debian and i do -ubuntu
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| 16:49 | warren can have -fedora
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| 16:51 | i get a lot of questions about themes in #edubuntu so i expect to get a collection of cummunity themes together over time
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| 16:51 | *community
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| 16:53 | <vagrantc> i'm not sure if i want to pursue the additional split for lenny ...
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| 16:53 | <ogra_cmpc> nah, better not
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| 16:53 | keep it stable
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| 16:54 | but get it to sid :)
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| 16:54 | <vagrantc> and the ltsp theme itself is intentionally small enough
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| 16:54 | <ogra_cmpc> indeed
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| 16:54 | <vagrantc> and you can easily ship additional theme packages
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| 16:54 | but right now, i've got to get ltsp-client-builder unborked.
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| 16:55 | <ogra_cmpc> it wont ship without the ubuntu themes in ubuntu anyway
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| 16:55 | what exactly does fail ? trhe ubuntu code writes two logs
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| 16:55 | <vagrantc> i'm going to just grab the ubuntu code wholesale and try it.
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| 16:55 | <ogra_cmpc> or wait, i think the main process logs to the d-i log
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| 16:56 | i think the only real change you need to do is to change the options
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| 16:56 | <vagrantc> main thing that changed is that the debian english team reviewed the templates :)
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| 16:56 | <ogra_cmpc> oh, no, you likely dont want the image built ...
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| 16:56 | <vagrantc> don't want the image built by default, no.
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| 16:57 | <ogra_cmpc> that has no code to skip it in the udeb
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| 16:57 | <vagrantc> right.
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| 16:57 | <ogra_cmpc> ltsp-build-client uses --skipimage but the postinst needs another switch
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| 16:57 | <vagrantc> for now, i can just make sure squashfs-tools and whatever is needed is installed
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| 16:58 | but it fails in the debootstrap phase ...
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| 16:58 | <ogra_cmpc> oh
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| 16:58 | <vagrantc> so i haven't even gotten that far yet.
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| 16:58 | fails to get the release file
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| 16:58 | <ogra_cmpc> when do you run it ? which sequence number does yous udeb have in menu ? might be that the cd iwsnt mounted at that point in debian
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| 16:59 | in ubuntu its run dircetly after pkgsel and before the cd gets unmounted
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| 17:00 | <vagrantc> cd is mounted, but it seems like lenny's d-i doesn't mount it in /target ... or if it does, it mounts it as /media/cdrom ...
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| 17:00 | <ogra_cmpc> bah
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| 17:01 | err
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| 17:01 | /cdrom should be a link to /media/cdrom
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| 17:02 | at least thats how it is on all my machines here
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| 17:04 | <vagrantc> i *think* i had configured it to point to something that was actually mounted, and it still didn't work or something.
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| 17:04 | <ogra_cmpc> weird
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| 17:05 | <vagrantc> i'll just copy ubuntu's ltsp-build-client postinst and give that a whirl.
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| 17:05 | <ogra_cmpc> yeah, the hardy version should work fine apart from the wrong options for you
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| 17:06 | it still needs this damned progressbar fix though
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| 17:07 | thats one problem i try to solve since two years now :(
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| 17:07 | <vagrantc> i just need it to work *at all*
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| 17:07 | <ogra_cmpc> heh, indeed
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| 17:56 | <vagrantc> no luck with the ubuntu's ltsp-client-builder ... :(
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| 17:56 | not that i was expecting much ... not many changes, really.
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| 18:07 | <ogra_cmpc> yeah
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| 18:07 | but its strange
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| 18:07 | <vagrantc> i've even specified an http mirror, but no luck.
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| 18:08 | oh wait ... it didn't actually pull in my new .udeb ...
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| 18:08 | <ogra_cmpc> does it even take the opts ?
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| 18:08 | <vagrantc> i haven't yet tried it really.
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| 18:08 | <ogra_cmpc> ah
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| 18:08 | <vagrantc> it definitely took the opts ... but i didn't actually try anything i hadn't already tried :)
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| 18:08 | <ogra_cmpc> btw, set -x helps a lot in the postinst
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| 18:09 | (for debugging)
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| 18:09 | <vagrantc> not so much in this case...
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| 18:09 | * vagrantc sighs | |
| 18:10 | <vagrantc> debootstrap simply fails to download the release file ...
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| 18:10 | <ogra_cmpc> and the path/url is ok ?
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| 18:10 | <vagrantc> yup.
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| 18:10 | works when i switch to the shell on tty2 and run it manually.
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| 18:10 | <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: I just had a quick look at rmadison, any reason you didn't upload my new italc ? (I would like to avoid someone doing the merge and then have my own package uploaded the day after)
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| 18:11 | <ogra_cmpc> stgraber, sorry, no real reason, my fault, but i'm listed as uploader in MOM
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| 18:12 | (usually people ping the last uploader before merging)
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| 18:12 | <stgraber> ok
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| 18:12 | btw, I did some debuging on italc and managed to get a backtrace for that "double free" crash some people are getting. It looks like a x11vnc bug and not an italc one.
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| 18:13 | <ogra_cmpc> ah, nice
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| 18:13 | <stgraber> I sent the trace to Tobias as he also knows x11vnc upstream, let's hope a fix will be found ...
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| 18:13 | <ogra_cmpc> yeah, i'm sure it will be fixed before release
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| 18:14 | <stgraber> well, the trace was weird ... a lot of unknown symbols even after I installed all the -dbgsym packages ...
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| 18:14 | anyway, it's clearly something with freeing up memory when the VNC connection is closed so it shouldn't be that hard to find ...
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| 18:15 | <stgraber> the problem of iTalc is that it's using the devel release of x11vnc, so it's more likely to contains bug (but Tobias seems to need it for some features used by italc)
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| 18:16 | <mike53> hi, can someone help with LSTP on edubutu? I am sooooo close to making it work
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| 18:17 | <ogra_cmpc> stgraber, why do you drop the ,,, from the gecos data ?
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| 18:18 | everything else leaves it in
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| 18:18 | <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: because otherwise I appear as "Stéphane Graber,,," in the teacher interface ...
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| 18:18 | that's not problem if those field actually contain something but if you get ",,," it's that it's not the case
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| 18:18 | <ogra_cmpc> well, adduser leaves them in
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| 18:19 | and usually doesnt add any values
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| 18:19 | have a look at your passwd file
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| 18:19 | does that only drop the commas in the UI ?
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| 18:19 | <stgraber> yes
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| 18:19 | <ogra_cmpc> ah, k
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| 18:19 | <stgraber> that drops it from what the teacher sees in the classroom overview
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| 18:19 | <ogra_cmpc> right, then it makes sense :)
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| 18:20 | <stgraber> it's not useful for him to see "Student X,,,"
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| 18:20 | AFAIK that ,,, is the place where you'd have your phone number or other extra information adduser ask for
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| 18:21 | <ogra_cmpc> yeah
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| 18:21 | if you use the about me interface in ubuntu you can fill them
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| 18:22 | by default they are not filled usually
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| 18:22 | uploaded btw
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| 18:23 | <stgraber> cool, thanks
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| 18:23 | <ogra_cmpc> `sorry for the delay
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| 18:24 | <vagrantc> well, heck! just grabbing the version from hardy worked like a charm.
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| 18:25 | at least, so far.
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| 18:25 | <ogra_cmpc> whats the diff ?
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| 18:25 | <vagrantc> no idea
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| 18:25 | <ogra_cmpc> funny
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| 18:26 | building a debian chroot or a hardy one now ?
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| 18:27 | * ogra_cmpc doesnt think there is anything that forces ubuntu builds in the opts ... you should be able to just use it as is | |
| 18:27 | <vagrantc> heh, lenny
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| 18:33 | <ogra_cmpc> heh, i just noticed the cmpc here shows 6.5h of battery left ... its the battery from the other one (celeron based) where it showed 3.5h ... if thats true i'm even more impressed by atom
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| 18:43 | <ogra_cmpc> vagrantc, btw, what would you think about a bzr based lts.conf backend ... keeping the single hosts in separate files and merging the lts.conf from these files ... so you can roll back single changes to single hosts or the complete file
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| 18:44 | some script i.e. editltsconf would then run your favorite $EDITOR and do the bzr magic before and afterwards
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| 18:48 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: sounds a bit complicated...
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| 18:48 | <ogra_cmpc> but makes it easy to attach frontends and leaves an good way to go backwards through your changes
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| 18:49 | (on a per host baswe)
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| 18:49 | *base
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