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Channel log from 8 June 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:27 | <germancho> please i have un eror
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| 00:27 | error
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| 00:27 | it is un fail en ltsp
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| 00:27 | the error is
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| 00:27 | ltsp /tmp/info read-only file system
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| 00:27 | please help
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| 05:03 | <TyphoidHippo> Hello, everyone.
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| 06:48 | <meeces2911> PXE-E11 error
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| 06:48 | anyone know anything about it ??
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| 07:23 | <estong_> tftpd-hpa does not seem to like /var/lib/tftpboot, right?
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| 07:49 | <ogra> its what ubuntu and debian default to so it better should, else lots of users would complain ;)
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| 07:55 | <estong_> castaway's findings on ltsp5 still holds on my install today - "workstation will connect only intermittently -- or never again"
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| 07:55 | workstation will hang, dispensing a "cannot find file" error.
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| 07:56 | "error is a result of NFS timing-out because it has lost the location of the kernel file that is to be copied to the workstation"
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| 07:56 | and finally he says, "In summary, although LTSP 5 is included in Etch, installation bugs prove it is still unstable experimental software. LTSP 5 is best left for expert use.
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| 07:56 | "
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| 07:56 | obviously, i am not an ltsp expert.
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| 07:58 | the NFS issue has not been resolved, right?
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| 08:01 | <boxrock> anyone have pointers to how i can get flash sound working on client vs. playing client audio on server?
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| 08:02 | <Guaraldo> boxrock: Find for PulseAudio...
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| 08:18 | <manuberro> hi
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| 08:19 | Is there something special to do to use scanners with ltsp5?
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| 08:20 | <Guaraldo> manuberro: I never heard that's possible... Gadi?
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| 08:22 | <Gadi> manuberro: you would need to set it up by hand, but it is of course possible
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| 08:22 | <manuberro> It was working with ltsp4.2
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| 08:23 | <Gadi> its not an option by default
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| 08:23 | <manuberro> is there documentation somewhere?
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| 08:23 | <Gadi> but, chroot apt-get install netkit-inetd sane
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| 08:24 | then read: man sane to learn how to make scanners available to the network
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| 08:24 | its all in the sane documentation
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| 08:25 | <manuberro> thanks, I try this now
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| 08:25 | <Gadi> you just want to run sane from inetd on the thin client
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| 08:25 | so if the server connects to the saned port, saned will start on the thin client and serve up the scanner
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| 08:27 | <manuberro> except netkit-inetd, I had already activated sane to work with network
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| 08:27 | but I use xinetd. Is this usable ?
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| 08:29 | scanimage -L show my scanner on the client console
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| 08:29 | <Gadi> manuberro: by default, the chroot uses neither
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| 08:29 | if you are on ubuntu/debian, prolly better to use inetd (as this is the standard and in the main repository)
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| 08:30 | you will also need to add "sane-port 6566/tcp" to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/services
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| 08:31 | <manuberro> I have activated a sane-port file in /etc/xinetd.d/ and /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/services
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| 08:31 | (soory, I'm on Ubuntu feisty)
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| 08:31 | <Gadi> the /etc/xinetd.d/ is irrelevant
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| 08:31 | <manuberro> should nmap show the open port ?
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| 08:31 | <Gadi> you want saned to start *on the thin client*
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| 08:31 | not on the server
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| 08:32 | <manuberro> sorry, I do all this actions on the chroot
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| 08:32 | <Gadi> the only thing the server needs is a frontend to sane
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| 08:32 | ah, ok
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| 08:32 | yeah, everything in the chroot
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| 08:33 | then, on the server you just need to tell sane to connect to the thin client
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| 08:33 | I used to do this by setting SANE_NET_HOSTS to the thin client IP on login
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| 08:34 | <manuberro> /etc/sane.d/saned.conf allready modified
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| 08:34 | to integrate client's IP
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| 08:35 | should nmap show the open port for sane?
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| 08:35 | <Gadi> no, but you should be able to telnet to the port
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| 08:35 | <manuberro> I try this
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| 08:36 | <manuberro> that's work
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| 08:37 | then scanimage on the server should find the scanner, right ?
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| 08:40 | <Gadi> try doing: SANE_NET_HOSTS=<clientIP> xsane
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| 08:42 | <manuberro> no scanner found :(
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| 08:43 | which package should I install to have inetd ? I find only xinetd
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| 08:45 | <Gadi> netkit-inetd
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| 08:45 | but dont install both at once
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| 08:47 | <manuberro> I'll reinstall to use a clean installation, because lot of try can cause my problem
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| 09:05 | <manuberro> clean install: same problem :(
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| 09:05 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:10 | <Gadi> !s
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| 09:10 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:12 | <rjune> morning gadi
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| 09:17 | <Gadi> manuberro: try: echo "+" >>/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/sane.d/saned.conf
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| 09:20 | <sbalneav> Hey Gadi
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| 09:20 | Say, did you ever publish the sh version of ldm anywhere?
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| 09:23 | <Gadi> launchpad was timing out for me
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| 09:23 | let me try again today
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| 09:23 | <sbalneav> Well, or sbalneav@ltsp.org :)
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| 09:29 | <manuberro> Gadi: new installation, folow your instructions, still have same problem
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| 09:29 | xsane can't find scanner
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| 09:29 | <Gadi> can you telnet to the port?
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| 09:30 | <manuberro> yes
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| 09:30 | <Gadi> and scanImage on the shell on the client finds the scanner?
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| 09:31 | <manuberro> Oh, no. I was hable on my first test
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| 09:31 | yes, scanimage on client find it
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| 09:31 | but no telnet now
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| 09:31 | <Gadi> is /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/inetd.conf set up?
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| 09:32 | you need to add a line to tell it to start saned
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| 09:32 | <manuberro> yes, with : sane stream tcp nowait saned.saned /usr/sbin/saned saned
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| 09:33 | /usr/sbin/saned exits and I can start it manually
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| 09:34 | telnet -> Connection closed by foreign host
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| 09:34 | /etc/init.d/inetd restart says ok
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| 09:35 | <Gadi> try: sane-port stream tcp nowait saned.saned /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/saned
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| 09:36 | <manuberro> shold I restart client or only inetd?
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| 09:36 | should
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| 09:39 | <manuberro> client rebooted: no telnet (Connection closed by foreign host)
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| 09:41 | I must leave. I'll retry later. Thank you for your help
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| 09:41 | bye
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| 10:08 | <Gadi> sbalneav: e-pigeon's aflight
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| 10:09 | <sbalneav> Danka
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| 10:34 | <kchiefs> hello everyone
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| 10:35 | i was here yesterday about issues with ltsp 4.2 and slackware...just happy to report i got my problem fixed and LTSP works like a champ on slackware 11.0
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| 11:06 | <max_> Hi all! may I ask a question about mouse (doesn't work!) on LTSP on Ubuntu 7.04?
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| 11:10 | <sbalneav> What type of mouse is it?
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| 11:11 | <max_> it's a PS/2
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| 11:11 | It hangs, doesn't move when X starts
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| 11:11 | I've in lts.conf "IMPS/2"
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| 11:12 | <sbalneav> Please paste your lts.conf file to the pastebin
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| 11:12 | !pastebin
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| 11:12 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Error: "pastebin" is not a valid command.
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| 11:12 | <sbalneav> err pastebot
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| 11:12 | !pastebot
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| 11:12 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 11:13 | <max_> ok...
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| 11:15 | sorry, can't connect to pastebot :(
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| 11:15 | <sbalneav> Works for me.
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| 11:15 | <max_> there is just this: X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL="IMPS/2" and X_MOUSE_DEVICE="/dev/input/mice"
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| 11:16 | <sbalneav> Try X_MOUSE_DEVICE=/dev/psaux
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| 11:16 | <max_> ok
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| 11:16 | can i just restart X server or reboot the thin client?
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| 11:17 | <sbalneav> I'd reboot the client/
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| 11:17 | <max_> ok
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| 11:17 | <andresmujica> hello !!
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| 11:17 | <max_> hi
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| 11:17 | <sbalneav> Hello
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| 11:18 | <andresmujica> i need some tips to get a bcm4401 ethernet card working as a thin client
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| 11:18 | it seems that the current kernel (2.6.20) doesn' t include it
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| 11:18 | <sbalneav> Does it have a driver at all?
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| 11:19 | <max_> it's b44 I think
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| 11:19 | b44.ko
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| 11:19 | with psaux the mouse doen't work too :(
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| 11:20 | <sbalneav> Does a USB mouse work?
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| 11:20 | <max_> in the /dev ps aux
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| 11:20 | (oops
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| 11:20 | ?ve not an usb mouse here...
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| 11:21 | i don't know
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| 11:21 | <sbalneav> Seems like something doesn't like the psaux port.
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| 11:21 | <Gadi> max_: what if you remove the mose device entirely?
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| 11:21 | s/mose/mouse/
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| 11:22 | and the protocol
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| 11:22 | <max_> do you mean phisically remove? or sw remove ?
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| 11:22 | <Gadi> comment out in lts.conf
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| 11:22 | <max_> ok
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| 11:22 | <Gadi> ltsp5 should autodetect all that
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| 11:22 | <max_> when I started there was no entry for the mouse in lts.conf
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| 11:23 | but it doen't worked: so I put that two entry
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| 11:23 | entries...
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| 11:23 | <Gadi> are you sure the mouse isnt broken?
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| 11:24 | <max_> I changed it with another one!
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| 11:24 | <Gadi> and its not plugged into the keyboard's PS/2 port?
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| 11:24 | <max_> the keyboard works
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| 11:24 | <Gadi> ok
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| 11:25 | <sbalneav> Have you checked to see if this computer works with a regular linux?
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| 11:25 | <max_> no
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| 11:25 | <sbalneav> i.e. if the mouse works if you boot knoppixs, etc
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| 11:25 | <max_> now there is a win98
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| 11:25 | no, I've to try...
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| 11:25 | ok, I'll try and tell you
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| 11:25 | thanks :9
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| 11:28 | <Gadi> sbalneav: btw, dont try logging in with that dash version - LDM_ASKPASS doesn't work because I'm still attached to the tty
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| 11:28 | it'll just hang
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| 11:28 | but, you can get the idea of speed to come up from boot
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| 11:29 | * Gadi likes the idea of an easily scriptable ldm , if it works | |
| 11:30 | <kchiefs> i am interested in starting an english language forum for ltsp...any thoughts?
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| 11:32 | <max_> Yes, I started a knoppix and the mouse works
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| 11:33 | <Gadi> max_: in knoppix look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf and see how the mouse device is called
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| 11:33 | <max_> ok
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| 11:34 | "PS/2" on /dev/mouse
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| 11:35 | <max_> Emulate3Buttons
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| 11:35 | <Gadi> yeah, but Ubuntu doesn't use /dev/mouse afaik
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| 11:36 | try; ls -l /dev/mouse
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| 11:36 | <max_> yes, but on my lts.conf I had /dev/input/mice
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| 11:36 | <sbalneav> kchiefs: We have the mailing list
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| 11:36 | <Gadi> see if it is a symlink
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| 11:36 | <max_> it's knoppix that uses /dev/mouse
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| 11:36 | <Gadi> right, on knoppix, see if /dev/mouse is a symlink
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| 11:36 | <kchiefs> sbalneav: ok..was just offering since there is not a forum for english but np
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| 11:36 | <max_> it links to psaux
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| 11:36 | /dev/psaux
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| 11:37 | <Gadi> ah, so /dev/psaux should have worked
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| 11:37 | <max_> it seems
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| 11:37 | <sbalneav> Gadi: I'm going to push hard this afternoon, and see if I can get a bzr branch up for the C ldm.
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| 11:37 | <Gadi> sbalneav: cool - ur that close?
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| 11:37 | <sbalneav> It won't be fully functional.
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| 11:37 | <Gadi> aw, man!
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| 11:37 | <sbalneav> Well, I have the ssh scripting part mostly done.
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| 11:37 | <Gadi> ;)
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| 11:38 | ah, I should prolly ask you this:
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| 11:38 | <sbalneav> greeter interaction isn't there yet, so what you'll have to do to test is install the xdialog package under the chroot.
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| 11:38 | <Gadi> would it have helped to just include the libs/headers from ssh directly?
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| 11:38 | <sbalneav> but it'll be something to start people debugging
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| 11:39 | Not really, seeing as how our interactions with ssh are purely through a pty.
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| 11:39 | the .po's might be useful, but for the login part, I'm manually setting LC_ALL=C
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| 11:39 | so that seems workable.
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| 11:39 | <Gadi> gotcha - just thought it might help control the ssh handshake better
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| 11:39 | instead of responding to expected questions
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| 11:40 | <sbalneav> yeah, I thought so too, at first.
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| 11:40 | we need to get network auth down to the client, then we can just initiate a pam session.
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| 11:40 | which will be much easier.
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| 11:40 | next time :)
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| 11:40 | <Gadi> pheh
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| 11:40 | im anti-pam on client
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| 11:41 | <sbalneav> Really?
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| 11:41 | <Gadi> just as I am anti-cups on client
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| 11:41 | <mistik1> why?
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| 11:41 | <Gadi> adds maintenance where none is required
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| 11:42 | <mistik1> care to elaborate?
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| 11:42 | <Gadi> my client should not have to integrate with a network auth system
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| 11:42 | my client should need know nothing about users
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| 11:42 | its a piece of hardware connecting to another piece of hardware
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| 11:42 | once I add users to it, I open a can of worms
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| 11:43 | especially if all I want to do is log in
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| 11:43 | I can understand it for local apps, maybe
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| 11:43 | but not to log into an application server
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| 11:43 | why should I have to configure network auth on the server *and* the client?
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| 11:44 | besides, I get all the pam goodness for free from the server when I auth through ssh
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| 11:45 | I would just use ssh for everything
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| 11:45 | <max_> Sorry, this is now my lts.conf (the mouse doesn't work) : http://pastebin.4programmers.net/2510
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| 11:46 | <mistik1> when using ssh do we not run into the age old problem of having the auth in the open?
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| 11:48 | <Gadi> mistik1: I dont understand
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| 11:49 | if you cant login to the server through ldm, its because pam on the server did not auth the ssh request
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| 11:49 | nothing gets copied/passed anywhere
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| 11:49 | <mistik1> Well the ssh keys (if such are in use) are available publicly on the insecure NFS share, are they not?
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| 11:49 | <Gadi> they are not used
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| 11:50 | un/pw are collected by ldm
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| 11:50 | no ssh keys necessary
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| 11:50 | <mistik1> ok
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| 11:50 | <Gadi> how ya doing, mistik1, btw? :)
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| 11:50 | <mistik1> Well if that's gone now, that solves my biggest roblem with that old method
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| 11:51 | Gadi: I'm good, You?
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| 11:51 | <gloin> question: I'm doing a ltsp build on an ubuntu 6.06 box using ltsp-build-client, and would like to build this with a VERY minimal install: no x11, for example. What's the best path to this?
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| 11:51 | <Gadi> good. I keep wondering when ur really on and when ur computer is ;)
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| 11:51 | * gloin finally sorted out the PXE problems | |
| 11:52 | <mistik1> Well that's easy, My computer is always on ;-)
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| 11:52 | <Gadi> gloin: check out: /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/
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| 11:52 | its a plugin system
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| 11:52 | <gloin> Gadi: thanks
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| 11:52 | <Gadi> you can ceate ur own
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| 11:52 | or remove
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| 11:53 | <gloin> cd: /usr/share/ltsp: No such file or directory
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| 11:53 | <Gadi> what distro?
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| 11:53 | <gloin> ubuntu 6.06
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| 11:53 | server
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| 11:53 | <Gadi> locate ltsp-build-client|grep plugins
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| 11:53 | ah - it may be an older version?
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| 11:53 | not sure
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| 11:54 | <gloin> how would I check?
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| 11:54 | no plugins dir, only the file in sbin and the man page
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| 11:55 | <Gadi> hmm
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| 11:55 | * gloin reckons it's time for dist-upgrade | |
| 11:55 | <Gadi> dpkg -l ltsp-server
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| 11:56 | mine on feisty is 5.0.7
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| 11:56 | <gloin> 0.87
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| 11:56 | no, really
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| 11:56 | ii ltsp-server 0.87 Basic LTSP server environment
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| 11:57 | <Gadi> yeah, you may want to upgrade
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| 11:57 | <gloin> k
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| 11:57 | thanks again and I'll look for that directory later
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| 11:58 | <Gadi> np
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| 11:59 | <Thumann> hi, after changing the ip settings on my server, my diskless clients can't boot using pxe anymore.. i get a TFTP open timeout.. any ideas?
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| 12:00 | <sbalneav> Did you adjust your dhcpd.conf file to reflect the changes in the server's ip?
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| 12:01 | <Thumann> i'm using a windows dhcp server
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| 12:01 | adjusted the dhcp options on that one
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| 12:01 | root path etc.
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| 12:01 | options 17 and 67
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| 12:02 | <sbalneav> I don't know anything about Windows dhcp server. But I'd say you've either got a problem with your dhcp, or you need to restart tftp on the server.
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| 12:02 | Heading out for lunch. Be back in an hour.
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| 12:03 | <Thumann> booted both the linux servers and the dhcp service
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| 12:04 | <max_> Now I'm a bit confused about LTSP architecture...
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| 12:05 | the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf configuration is used just when starting and connecting to the ltsp server? Right?
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| 12:05 | So when I cat /etc/x11/xorg.conf from the thin client I really see the server config..
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| 12:05 | Where can I see a log of what happens? In the /opt/ltsp/i386/var/log dir?
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| 12:08 | I've to work with the xorg.conf file in /opt/ltsp to have my mouse work? Or just with lts.conf?
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| 13:10 | <sbalneav> max_: The xorg.conf under the /opt/ltsp chroot is what the thin client will see as /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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| 13:11 | <jammcq> huh?
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| 13:11 | <max_> ok, now it's clear
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| 13:11 | (I RTFM :) )
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| 13:11 | but in that file there are the correct configs for my mouse
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| 13:12 | but the mouse is blocked
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| 13:12 | just a pointer in the middle of the screen!
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| 13:13 | it is /dev/psaux in /opt/.../xorg.conf
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| 13:13 | <jammcq> xorg.conf gets recreated automatically when the workstation boots. it exists only in ram on the workstation
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| 13:14 | <max_> but after the connection I see the server xorg, right?
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| 13:14 | <jammcq> depends on how you are looking
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| 13:14 | <sbalneav> He was a bit confused between /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf, and /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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| 13:14 | <jammcq> if you set SCREEN_07 = shell
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| 13:14 | <max_> how can I look at the client xorg?
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| 13:14 | <jammcq> you'll get a shell on the terminal and you can look at the thin client xorg.conf file
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| 13:15 | <jammcq> but if you get into X, and pop open an xterm, you'll be logged into the server at that point
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| 13:15 | <sbalneav> Well, you you can just set a password in the chroot, and ctl-alt-f1, and login
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| 13:15 | without touching the lts.conf.
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| 13:15 | That will work too.
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| 13:15 | Either way is fine.
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| 13:15 | <max_> a password in the chroot?
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| 13:16 | I tried SCREEN_01=shell but I get the login on the server
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| 13:16 | shell login
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| 13:17 | <sbalneav> On the server, you can try this:
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| 13:17 | <max_> now I'm trying SCREEN_07
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| 13:17 | ok, tell me
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| 13:17 | <sbalneav> chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
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| 13:17 | Then enter in a password.
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| 13:18 | <max_> how can get rid of this passwd after this command?
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| 13:18 | <sbalneav> Now, when you switch to console F1, you can log into the client with userid root, password = whatever
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| 13:18 | oh, sorry, that should be sudo chroot....
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| 13:18 | <max_> ok
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| 13:19 | <sbalneav> just edit the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/shadow, and X out the password for root.
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| 13:21 | jammcq: Hey, you see that email I forwarded about the hotel room?
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| 13:21 | I haven't seen any response from Marlon yet, so I don't know if it's legit.
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| 13:25 | <max_> I started with SCREEN_07=shell and looked at xorg.conf
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| 13:25 | there is only the "Section files"
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| 13:25 | nothing more
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| 13:26 | is this correct?
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| 13:27 | <sbalneav> Well, no. I think it won't rewrite the xorg.conf file unless X starts
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| 13:27 | Try back the way it was, and set the password in the chroot.
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| 13:28 | <max_> I started "startx", then killed it and xorg is the same
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| 13:33 | <sbalneav> Have you set the password in the chroot?
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| 13:33 | <max_> yes, now I'm rebooting the client
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| 13:33 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 13:34 | <max_> ok, in shell 1 I get a login
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| 13:34 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 13:34 | <max_> it's a login on to the server?
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| 13:34 | <sbalneav> No
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| 13:34 | <max_> or the client?
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| 13:34 | ok
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| 13:34 | <sbalneav> You're logging into the thin client
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| 13:35 | <max_> and which username/pwd I use?
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| 13:35 | on screen 7 I get the shell
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| 13:35 | <sbalneav> root, and whatever passsword you used when you set it with the sudo chroot... command I gave you
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| 13:35 | <max_> directly, without "login:"
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| 13:35 | ok
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| 13:35 | <sbalneav> No
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| 13:35 | <max_> I'm in
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| 13:35 | <sbalneav> Put the SCREEN_07=ldm or whatever back
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| 13:36 | so that X comes up.
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| 13:36 | The login prompt will ALWAYS be on tty1, so even if you have X going, you can ctrl-alt-f1 to a login prompt on the client.
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| 13:36 | <max_> yes, sorry... but now I see xorg.conf and tehre is /dev/input/mice
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| 13:37 | <sbalneav> We want X to come up so we can look at the logs, and see if X complained about the mouse.
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| 13:37 | <max_> ok, sorry, I'm restarting...
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| 13:37 | :(
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| 13:39 | <sbalneav> No problem.
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| 13:39 | <max_> the client has restarted and I'm watching xorg,conf (now with /dev/psaux in lts.conf and in xorg.conf)
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| 13:40 | the mouse is blocked
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| 13:42 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 13:42 | <max_> in /dev are present psaux and input/mice
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| 13:42 | <sbalneav> Did you log in on F1
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| 13:42 | <sbalneav> ?
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| 13:42 | <max_> yes
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| 13:42 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 13:43 | well, lets have a look at /proc/interrupts.
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| 13:43 | <max_> ok
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| 13:43 | <sbalneav> lets make sure we haven't got a doubled interrupt
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| 13:43 | i.e. psaux is sharing something with another device.
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| 13:44 | <max_> there is no psaux
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| 13:44 | timer, i8042, cascade, eth0, parport, rtc, CS46XX, usb1, ideo0, ide1
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| 13:45 | <sbalneav> Well, the i8042 should be the device for the mouse, I beleive
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| 13:45 | It on 1?
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| 13:45 | <max_> yes, on 1
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| 13:45 | <sbalneav> ok, seems ok
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| 13:46 | take a look at the kernel log with dmesg
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| 13:46 | <max_> ok
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| 13:46 | <sbalneav> see if it mentions anything about the mouse por
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| 13:46 | t
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| 13:47 | <max_> mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
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| 13:47 | <sbalneav> That's ok
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| 13:47 | lsmod | grep psmouse
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| 13:48 | <max_> psmouse 37640 0
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| 13:48 | <meduxa> hi guys, I just sent an e-mail to ltsp mailing list talking about this success story:
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| 13:48 | www.reciclared.org
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| 13:48 | it is in spanish
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| 13:48 | <sbalneav> Well, the psmouse driver's getting loaded.
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| 13:48 | <max_> I hope to post a mial from italy, from my school :)
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| 13:48 | <sbalneav> hm
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| 13:49 | Wonder if we can reset it.
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| 13:49 | rmmod psmouse
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| 13:49 | should return quietly
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| 13:49 | <max_> done
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| 13:49 | reload?
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| 13:49 | <sbalneav> yeah, modprobe psmouse
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| 13:49 | <max_> ok
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| 13:50 | modprobebed, switched to F7, none
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| 13:50 | <sbalneav> wierd.
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| 13:50 | <max_> mouse blocked
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| 13:50 | :)
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| 13:51 | <scout3r> hey there
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| 13:51 | <sbalneav> I wish you had a usb mouse handy. That way we could narrow down wether this was a problem with the ps2 subsection, or higher up with the input queue, or X.
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| 13:51 | <scout3r> i need some help with local device (pendrive) access
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| 13:51 | <max_> Now I don't have such a mouse
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| 13:51 | AH, NO!
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| 13:52 | I can find it
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| 13:52 | <sbalneav> Ah, cool
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| 13:52 | <max_> just a minute
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| 13:52 | <sbalneav> Sure.
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| 13:52 | <sbalneav> scout3r: What's your problem?
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| 13:52 | <max_> I'm going to a frined of mine :)
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| 13:52 | <sbalneav> hey ogra!
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| 13:52 | <ogra> yo
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| 13:53 | <scout3r> sbalneav: i've installed etch and used ltsp-build-client to make the chroot environment and after that i used the localmedia wiki from ltsp.org, and i used the autofs mount scripts
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| 13:53 | * ogra just tires to do the same nifty stuff he did with squashfs yesterday with nfs now ... | |
| 13:53 | <sbalneav> ok, so if I have a source tree already, what's the cmd to bzrify it?
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| 13:53 | <ogra> but nfs just oppses :/
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| 13:53 | <scout3r> the thin client can boot up, i can login, use apps, so the core is working, but i cant mount usb devices
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| 13:54 | when i plug one in nothing happens
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| 13:54 | <sbalneav> Which page did you reference?
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| 13:54 | <scout3r> sbalneav: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalMedia
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| 13:55 | <sbalneav> That's all ltsp 4.x stuff
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| 13:55 | None of it will work with LTSP5 in Debian
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| 13:55 | <scout3r> etch using 5.0?
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| 13:55 | <sbalneav> yep
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| 13:55 | <scout3r> ah, i couldnt figure it out
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| 13:55 | <sbalneav> dpkg -l | grep ltsp on the server
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| 13:55 | <scout3r> can you give me a link on a howto to setup this stuff on 5.0?
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| 13:56 | sbalneav: ii ltsp-server 0.99debian11 Basic LTSP server environment
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| 13:56 | <sbalneav> Well, you shouldn't NEED to set it up on 5.0
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| 13:56 | ogra: On debian, does the ltspfs stuff install automatically like it does on Ubuntu?
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| 13:56 | <rjune> Well, I have Ubuntu 7.04, getting ready to load it now.
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| 13:56 | <scout3r> so it should work out of the box?
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| 13:57 | <ogra> sbalneav, i dont think so
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| 13:57 | <max_> IT WORKS! USB works. But why PS/2 doesn't?
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| 13:57 | <sbalneav> max_: :) Cool
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| 13:57 | <rjune> becuase USB is the better standard?
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| 13:57 | <max_> maybe..
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| 13:57 | <sbalneav> Now we know that it's just something odd between your kernel and the PS/2 port.
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| 13:58 | <max_> ok
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| 13:58 | <sbalneav> scout3r: Did you install ltsp-server, or ltsp-server-standalone?
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| 13:58 | <scout3r> standalon version
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| 13:58 | +e
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| 13:58 | <sbalneav> hm
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| 13:58 | <scout3r> it was a clean install, right from the etch dvds
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| 13:59 | <sbalneav> aptitude search ltspfs
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| 13:59 | <scout3r> nothing was found
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| 13:59 | <sbalneav> wow
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| 13:59 | That doesn't seem right.
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| 13:59 | <scout3r> i guess its strange then
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| 13:59 | <sbalneav> hm
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| 14:00 | the fellow you want to talk to is vagrantc
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| 14:00 | he's responsible for LTSP in Debian Etch.
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| 14:00 | <scout3r> thank you; by the way here is my source lists, if it helps a bit
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| 14:00 | deb http://ftp.hu.debian.org/debian/ etch main
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| 14:00 | deb-src http://ftp.hu.debian.org/debian/ etch main
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| 14:01 | <sbalneav> Hmm, wonder if they didn't get ltspfs in in time for etch, and it's in Sid.
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| 14:01 | Got a sid box around?
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| 14:01 | <scout3r> nope, just this etch
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| 14:02 | in which ubuntu version is ltsp 5.0 in?
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| 14:02 | <sbalneav> go the the debian packaes search page, and see if ltspfs is in Sid.
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| 14:02 | 5.04 is when it first appeared.
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| 14:02 | But 7.04's the latest and greatest
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| 14:03 | <plug>And if you install Edubuntu, the LTSP chroot's included automatically</plug> :)
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| 14:03 | <scout3r> it is in lenny
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| 14:03 | <sbalneav> Ah, ok
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| 14:03 | so looks like vagrantc didn't get it in time for etch.
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| 14:03 | <scout3r> i want to install a thin client environment in a production environment, thats why i want to go with debian
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| 14:04 | <sbalneav> I've got a whole province full of production environments. All running Ubuntu.
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| 14:04 | + some Debian.
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| 14:04 | <scout3r> which version of ubuntu?
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| 14:04 | <sbalneav> Edgy Eft, mostly
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| 14:04 | Some Feisty
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| 14:04 | <scout3r> im a bit afraid
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| 14:05 | if i have to install ubuntu then LTS only, so 6.06
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| 14:05 | <sbalneav> You won't get localdevices with that version.
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| 14:05 | <scout3r> but i bet it doesnt have ltsp 5.0
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| 14:05 | <sbalneav> but other than that is does worl
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| 14:05 | work
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| 14:05 | <scout3r> so what do you suggest?
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| 14:05 | maybe go with lenny?
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| 14:06 | or just get that single package for etch?
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| 14:06 | <sbalneav> Well, *I'd* suggest Ubuntu, but that's just me.
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| 14:06 | I guess it depends on what you need.
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| 14:06 | <scout3r> well, a stable system serving maybe 10-20 clients
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| 14:07 | <sbalneav> Well, seeing as how it doesn't COST you anything to try anything, why not try both Debian Lenny, and Ubuntu Feisty?
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| 14:07 | Race 'em, see how they compare.
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| 14:07 | <gloin> | |
| 14:07 | <scout3r> youve got the piont
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| 14:08 | <gonzaloaf_work> hi, I use ltsp 4.2, why does sometimes I see some client connected to the system with the w command?
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| 14:08 | <max_> Sorry, I found where the problem is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/baltix/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/108221
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| 14:08 | <sbalneav> All you're gonna lose is some time :)
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| 14:08 | <scout3r> and what if i install the ltspfs package under etch by hand?
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| 14:08 | sure sbalneav :)
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| 14:09 | <max_> There's a nasty bug affecting computers with a SiS chipset : PS/2 mouse does not work with kernel 2.6.20
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| 14:09 | <sbalneav> Give it a try
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| 14:09 | It just might work :)
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| 14:09 | you could always do an apt-get source, grab the source for ltspfs in Lenny, then just compile it on an etch box.
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| 14:09 | that'll work for sure.
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| 14:10 | max_: Well, there you go.
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| 14:10 | <sbalneav> max_: This a big deployment? Any chance you could just buy some usb mice?
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| 14:11 | <max_> yes, obviosly I can
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| 14:11 | but i read that is possible to add a boot param
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| 14:11 | i8042.noloop
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| 14:11 | <sbalneav> ah, yeah
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| 14:11 | see that
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| 14:11 | <max_> I can try it: where can I add this kernel param?
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| 14:12 | <sbalneav> umm, you could put that in:
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| 14:12 | <scout3r> thank you for your help sbalneav and a really big thanks to the LTSP Team :)
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| 14:12 | * ogra_e2300 smiles | |
| 14:12 | <sbalneav> /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 14:12 | <max_> ok, trying...
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| 14:12 | <sbalneav> DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet i8042.noloop splash
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| 14:13 | I'm guessing
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| 14:13 | <ogra_e2300> sbalneav, you werent here yesterday ... the nbd/squashfs/unionfs solution is easily twice as fast as nfs with the bind_mounts method
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| 14:15 | <gonzaloaf_work> hi, I use ltsp 4.2, why does sometimes I see some client connected to the system with the w command? see this pastebin.... also why I dont see all clients connected with the w command?
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| 14:15 | <sbalneav> ogra_e2300: cool
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| 14:16 | <ogra_e2300> sadly nbd-server isnt as flexible ...
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| 14:16 | and indeed you need to regenrate the squashfs after every change
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| 14:16 | <sbalneav> yeah, that'd be kind of sucky
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| 14:16 | <ogra_e2300> well
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| 14:17 | <sbalneav> gonzaloaf_work: not sure.
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| 14:17 | <ogra_e2300> Gadi suggested pulling the lts.conf via tftp
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| 14:17 | <sbalneav> That'd be a good solution.
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| 14:17 | <gonzaloaf_work> sbalneav, wow I thought you had the answer
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| 14:17 | <ogra_e2300> that would wipe out the suckiest bits ... i.e. the regenerating after every config change
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| 14:17 | <sbalneav> it puts the lts.conf file in a yucky place.
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| 14:18 | gonzaloaf_work: I'd say it's because your display manager sometimes doesn't register a connection, but seeing as how you haven't told me ANYTHING about what your setup's like, I can't tell you any more than that.
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| 14:19 | <gonzaloaf_work> sbalneav, ok thank yiou
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| 14:20 | <ogra_e2300> sbalneav, the coolest bit in that is, you could use a local diskinstead of the tmpfs mount and just store the delta to the squashfs ... that gains us a half fat client with persistent mode ;)
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| 14:21 | <max_> Well, neither i8042.noloo neither noapic params (as suggested in the bug page) works :) I'll buy 20 usb mouse or a new kernel :)) Thanks to all you for your precious help! See you, I'm going to dinner. Thanx!
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| 14:22 | (noloop)
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| 14:22 | <sbalneav> No problem
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| 14:22 | <max_> bye
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| 14:22 | <sbalneav> cya
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| 14:24 | <ogra> sbalneav, and on a sidenote, since i added nbd support to initramfs for all that playing around, i booted the e2300 with mem=28M today, works fine if you make nbdswapd create the swapfiles in a tmpfs ;)
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| 14:25 | <sbalneav> You said that the nbd_server wasn't as flexible?
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| 14:25 | What limitations are you running into?
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| 14:25 | <ogra> sbalneav, oh and i boot the e2300 with XDMCP in 102sec with that setup
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| 14:25 | <sbalneav> Well, that's pretty good.
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| 14:26 | <ogra> well, with the old ldm wrapper the ldm part still takes a minute extra
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| 14:26 | about time we get yours :)
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| 14:26 | <sbalneav> Hey, I'm gonna upload a copy of the C ldm2
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| 14:26 | later today.
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| 14:27 | I'm just gluing some bits together now.
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| 14:27 | <ogra> cool, i'll look on the weekend
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| 14:27 | <sbalneav> How do I bzrify a source tree?
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| 14:27 | <ogra> just let me know where the branch is
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| 14:27 | <sbalneav> bzr init, then bzr add the bits I want?
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| 14:27 | <ogra> well, didnt you branch the ltsp tree ?
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| 14:27 | <gonzaloaf_work> sbalneav, I have ltsp 4.2, I have 50 clients connected to the server, I use xfce desktop manager, I use Ubuntu 6.10, what can of additional information do you need?
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| 14:27 | <sbalneav> No, I'm making it a separate package. I thought we said we didn't want binary programs in the ltsp branches
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| 14:27 | <ogra> no, i only want source
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| 14:28 | <sbalneav> I can put it in there if you want.
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| 14:28 | <ogra> buut i want to replace the python wrapper
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| 14:28 | if possble in gutsy
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| 14:28 | <sbalneav> Right, well we will, but I thought what would make the most sense would be to have ldm be an installable binaty like ltspfsd
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| 14:29 | <ogra> thats the last slowing down bit we have
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| 14:29 | right
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| 14:29 | the binary package is built at ltsp build time
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| 14:29 | we have the source in one branch but build different binaries from that
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| 14:29 | <sbalneav> OK
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| 14:29 | I'll add it there then.
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| 14:30 | Which branch of yours should I sync off of?
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| 14:31 | <ogra> the new mainline
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| 14:31 | the one you have commit rights to ;)
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| 14:32 | <sbalneav> gonzaloaf_work: your /etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/Default is where the session registration is done.
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| 14:32 | The sessreg utility is what registers the session.
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| 14:32 | ogra: ok, thx
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| 14:33 | <ogra> sbalneav, https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-drivers/
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| 14:33 | :)
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| 14:33 | <sbalneav> ogra: you're my buddy
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| 14:34 | <ogra> i havent merged the last ubuntu chnages yet
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| 14:34 | but vagrant was pretty busy it seems :)
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| 14:35 | sbalneav, soo, nbd-server isnt as flexible ...
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| 14:35 | we could run it from inted with a dedicated port for every chroot/squashfs
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| 14:35 | but that would mean we need some kind of info in the initramfs ...
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| 14:36 | i.e. invent a bootparameter or something
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| 14:36 | like NBDPORT
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| 14:36 | <sbalneav> That would be easy enough to do.
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| 14:37 | <ogra> hmm, even though, we already knw what we need sinc we know the root-path parameter
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| 14:37 | <sbalneav> i386 on port 9111, ppc on 9112, etc :)
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| 14:37 | <ogra> yeah
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| 14:38 | <gonzaloaf_work> sbalneav, why just dome users?
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| 14:38 | <ogra> so all we need is a translation table that gets built into the initramfs ... hmm
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| 14:38 | <gonzaloaf_work> some*
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| 14:38 | <sbalneav> gonzaloaf_work: No idea. You'd have to figure out why the sessreg doesn't run for some people.
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| 14:38 | <ogra> abd that table should come from inetd.conf of the server
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| 14:38 | <sbalneav> Maybe they have an error in their X setup that it never gets to the post session, etc.
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| 14:38 | <jammcq> sbalneav: you at home or the office?
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| 14:39 | <sbalneav> I'm here at the office!
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| 14:40 | <ogra> hmm, did any of you ever run Xorg -configure ?
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| 14:40 | it produces pretty good initial xorg.conf setups
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| 14:40 | and its *fast*
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| 14:47 | <gloin> so
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| 14:49 | for building a client without X11 I pretty much just want to look in /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/ for anything that talks about xorg or related, back up that file, and delete the references to xorg in the working files?
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| 14:50 | <sbalneav> Seems reasonable
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| 14:53 | <rjune> ok, so this ubuntu thing is pretty simple to get going
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| 14:53 | <gloin> agreed, and hi rjune
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| 14:53 | it's been a while
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| 14:55 | <privet> hello alls the peoples...
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| 14:55 | I am having some trouble to get sound running on my ltsp 4.2 little setup
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| 14:55 | running on FC 4
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| 14:55 | need to use the mpu401 module
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| 14:56 | need some advice on how to debug "sound not working"
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| 14:56 | <gloin> dang it
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| 14:57 | sbalneav: I'm still retrieving stuff I removed from the plugins scripts
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| 14:59 | <rjune> howdy gloin
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| 14:59 | If I can get LDAP setup properly, I may have to move to ubuntu server side too
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| 15:00 | <gloin> how are local devices coming along with muecow?
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| 15:01 | <sbalneav> They work fine on Ubuntu and Debian.
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| 15:01 | <gloin> right on
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| 15:01 | sane?
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| 15:02 | <sbalneav> No, I'm mostly insane.
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| 15:03 | <gloin> heh
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| 15:03 | talking about usb scanning support, mainly
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| 15:03 | <Gadi> we all saw that one coming
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| 15:03 | * gloin is in his CUPS, so it's all good | |
| 15:04 | <rjune> sbalneav: but it needs setup. SLES does it automagically
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| 15:04 | <Gadi> gloin, you have to setup sane urself atm
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| 15:04 | chroot apt-get install netkit-inetd sane
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| 15:04 | <gloin> Gadi: that's fine - we're doing wonky stuff with it anyhow. Mainly concerned that the usb support works
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| 15:05 | <Gadi> and then adjust the conf files
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| 15:05 | gloin: its Ubuntu
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| 15:05 | <gloin> yep
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| 15:05 | <Gadi> if usb works in ubuntu, it'll work in the ubuntu chroot
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| 15:05 | <gloin> ok
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| 15:05 | over-the-wire
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| 15:05 | woohoo
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| 15:05 | <Gadi> unless you break it with your ltsp-build-client mods ;)
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| 15:39 | <racter> hi - anyone seen this error at boot? "nfsmount: need a path"
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| 15:40 | <jammcq> yeah, you probably are using LTSP-5, but you've included the IP address in the root-path. ltsp-5 doesn't yet support that
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| 15:41 | <racter> jammcq - yeah that's what the google results i was getting said, but i don't have an ip address in my root-path in dhcpd.conf
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| 15:41 | <jammcq> what does your root-path look like?
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| 15:41 | <racter> option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386"
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| 15:42 | the weird thing is that this error is inconsistent; it only happens about 90% of the time
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| 15:42 | <sbalneav> Sounds like you've got two dhcpd servers on the same net.
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| 15:43 | <racter> sbalneav - that's a good tip; i'll check out our setup
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| 15:46 | sbalneav - yep! we had a router on the network that was still broadcasting dhcp
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| 15:46 | thx
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| 15:47 | <sbalneav> np
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| 15:47 | <cliebow> eisenbaum defumada.good beer?
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| 15:47 | or vigoros
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| 15:47 | a
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| 17:14 | <andresmujica> hi anyone knows where can i find a nvidia driver module for recent ltsp kernels? 2.6.19 or 2.6.20 ¿?
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| 17:18 | <racter> can i run dhcpd simultaneously for thinclients and as a gateway to connect other machines to the internet?
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| 17:20 | <andresmujica> racter: yes
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| 17:20 | <racter> andresmujica: any tips on how i can configure that?
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| 17:20 | or what i need to look at
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| 17:21 | <andresmujica> gimme a sedc
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| 17:23 | http://pastebin.ca/551702
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| 17:23 | check that it would work for you
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| 17:23 | <racter> thx
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| 17:24 | <andresmujica> replace what you need according to your setup
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| 17:27 | <racter> andresmujica: can you help me see the part of this file that enables regular clients?
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| 17:27 | this is pretty similar to what i have now
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| 17:27 | <andresmujica> the if part checks if the TC has pxe support, if not it would send the kernel image.
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| 17:28 | so if you want a regular client to get an ip
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| 17:28 | just check that it's configured to start by it's hard drive not by the nic card
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| 17:29 | <racter> yeah, it's already up & it has an IP from the server, but it can't see through the server to the internet. the netbooted machines can see the internet though
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| 17:29 | <andresmujica> the second part of the IF works with etherboot
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| 17:29 | the part that is needed is: option routers gatewayip;
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| 17:30 | so you must check at your server with route -n what is your gateway ip
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| 17:30 | and then put this ip at the line mentioned before
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| 17:32 | <racter> so right now i have option routers 192.168.0.1;
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| 17:32 | but route -n tells me the actual gateway is 172.16.0.1
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| 17:32 | so if i change that will the thin clients still work?
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| 17:35 | <andresmujica> yes beacuse your thin clients go to internet because they're actually the server... and the server goes to internet
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| 17:35 | how is your setup
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| 17:35 | your server has 2 IP?
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| 17:35 | NIC
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| 17:35 | i mean?
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| 17:36 | <racter> ya two nic
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| 17:37 | one is connected to another router that's connected to a cable modem (and is on the 172.16 subnet)
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| 17:37 | the other is connected to the computer lab & running dhcp
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| 17:39 | <andresmujica> ok
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| 17:39 | what you need is to enable ip_forward on the kernel
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| 17:39 | and apply a NAT rule to your iptables
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| 17:39 | <racter> ok
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| 17:40 | i have to recompile the kernel?
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| 17:40 | <andresmujica> so your server can give internet to the another clients
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| 17:40 | Nop, you don't
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| 17:40 | which distro are you using?
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| 17:41 | <racter> ubuntu
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| 17:41 | edubuntu actually
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| 17:42 | <andresmujica> hmmm
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| 17:42 | Edubuntu is preconfigured
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| 17:42 | let me check a sec
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| 17:58 | <andresmujica> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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| 17:58 | $IPTABLES -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.0/24 -j MASQUERADE
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| 17:58 | it seems that edubuntu doesn't has a 2 nic by default...
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| 17:59 | but i recommend you to check with #edubuntu about this
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| 18:00 | with the lines you would get your server giving internet to the fat client users, using your server ip as gateway
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| 18:01 | <racter> andresmujica - what's $IPTABLES -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.0/24 -j MASQUERADE ? a command to run or an env variable to set?
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| 18:02 | <andresmujica> sorry $IPTABLES should be iptables
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| 18:02 | is a comand to execute in a term
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| 18:02 | <racter> got it thx
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| 18:03 | <andresmujica> check your net ... it must be in -s X.X.X.X/X
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| 18:06 | <racter> huh still nothing
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| 18:06 | weird
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| 18:07 | well i'll ask in #edubuntu
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| 18:18 | <cliebow> bill_c:how goes the battle..
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| 18:18 | <bill_c> cliebow, hey it rages on :)
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| 18:20 | <cliebow> you ever finish the 4.2 for ppc?
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