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05:50 | <gehidore> o/ halfwit
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05:50 | <halfwit> o/
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05:50 | <gehidore> alkisg might be someone to talk to about the type of *thing* which you're after
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05:50 | <halfwit> ok.
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05:51 | <gehidore> iirc they're appx UTC +2 so latency might be in our best interest
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05:51 | <halfwit> Oh yeah. No worries
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05:51 | <gehidore> I just think with what ltsp does and what you're doing there might be some common ground that they'd have some advice towards what you're doing
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05:53 | <halfwit> Yeah, this looks on par certainly with what I'm hoping to achieve.
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05:54 | I'm certainly extending the terminal analogy quite thin, but the fundamentals aren't different.
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05:54 | <gehidore> nbd might be something to look at as well
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05:57 | <alkisg> Good morning
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05:58 | gehidore: I didn't see any questions asked... ?
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05:58 | halfwit: what's that you're after?
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06:01 | <halfwit> alkisg: I'm doing a bit of research on the feasibility of setting up diskless clients on some devices I have here, using PXE on my more powerful system, I haven't ran into any specific questions yet, other than if anyone has done this (with full graphical clients), how was it in practice
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06:02 | <gehidore> sorry if it's off topic alkisg.
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06:02 | <halfwit> alkisg: But eventually I may get in to various caching and synchronization methods, and would rather try the ear of people who have done this frequently, rather than just trial and error
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06:02 | I'll just idle :p
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06:03 | <gehidore> also good morning alkisg
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06:03 | <alkisg> halfwit: sure... I'm not sure why you won't be using ltsp directly, but if you do want to do it manually, yeah you'll find that ltsp has seen/solved most of the issues you'll bumped into
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06:04 | <halfwit> alkisg: I'm still researching what's out there, I certainly will look into using it directly.
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06:04 | <alkisg> !ltsp-pnp
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06:04 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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06:05 | <alkisg> halfwit: if you like, try that ^, it'll take you about 1h including the OS installation, and will give you a good perspective on what ltsp is about
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06:05 | <halfwit> ok.
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06:09 | <halfwit> alkisg: Thanks!
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06:09 | <alkisg> np
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17:47 | <ZAJDAN> hello..I am facing a problem that booting client return: connection: Connection timed out
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17:48 | in syslog: Mar 2 17:20:38 debian in.tftpd[15868]: tftp: client does not accept options
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17:49 | <alkisg> ZAJDAN: does this happen in all clients, or just one?
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17:50 | And, distro/version?
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18:04 | <ZAJDAN> Debian 8 x64 ..there I build client arch i386
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18:06 | I testet just one client
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18:07 | physical client...but I could also try virtaul machine
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18:15 | <alkisg> !tftp
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18:15 | <ltsp> tftp: Here's a page to help you troubleshoot TFTP problems in Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/TFTP
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18:15 | <alkisg> In that page, there are instructions for how to test the tftp server
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18:16 | E.g. by trying to download a file from another client
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18:16 | Check that your tftp server works fine
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18:18 | <ZAJDAN> what I forgot say is that DHCP options I have on Mikrotik
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18:18 | I do not use DHCP on the machine where runs tftp
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18:19 | but it will not be the problem what I have
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18:26 | I created one virtual machine a have tried to boot from network..same problem
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18:27 | so it will be something with tftp-hpa
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18:31 | <alkisg> Right, follow that page to verify if tftpd-hpa is ok or not
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18:33 | <ZAJDAN> ok on my debian I do: /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa restart [ ok ] Restarting tftpd-hpa (via systemctl): tftpd-hpa.service.
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18:33 | ps -aux |grep tftp root 18904 0.0 0.0 14996 148 ? Ss 19:32 0:00 /usr/sbin/in.tftpd --listen --user tftp --address 0.0.0.0:69 --secure /srv/tftp
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18:34 | so I see the tftp runs
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18:36 | but !!!!! systemctl status tftp-hpa ● tftp-hpa.service Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory) Active: inactive (dead)
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18:36 | hmmmm
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18:57 | <alkisg> Debian and Ubuntu are going to default to dnsmasq for tftp and dhcp services (and possibly dns)
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18:57 | You might want to use that instead..
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18:57 | Ther's also ltsp-config dnsmasq to automate the config
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18:57 | !proxydhcp
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18:57 | <ltsp> proxydhcp: A proxy DHCP server is defined by the PXE specification as a server which sends auxiliary boot information to clients, like the boot filename, tftp server or rootpath, but leaves the task of IP leasing to the normal DHCP server. More info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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18:57 | <alkisg> !ltsp-pnp
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18:57 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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20:15 | <ZAJDAN> this is irony :_) on LTSP is recommended DNSMASQ
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21:38 | <matute> Hi all, I'm kind of new to LTSP, so sorry if I ask something too basic, I've been trying to resolve something for many hours now and I thought I could get some help here.
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21:39 | <alkisg> Shoot
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21:39 | <matute> I've installed in a fres Debian 8 a standalone server
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21:39 | (apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone)
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21:40 | I've got it running and I can boot a client using PXE just fine. But when I ltsp-chroot in the server and install something in /opt/ltsp/amd64 I don't see it using my thin client session
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21:40 | <alkisg> Did you run ltsp-update-image at some point?
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21:41 | <matute> I feel like the thin client session (PXE one) is not enclosed in the /opt/ltsp/amd64 enviroment
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21:41 | <alkisg> Do you have an /opt/ltsp/images/amd64.img file on the server?
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21:42 | <matute> I haven't got the images directory
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21:42 | I'm not using NBD
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21:43 | I created the client image (ltsp-build-client)
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21:43 | <alkisg> OK. SO, you have a thin client, and you login there, and now you're on the server :)
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21:43 | <matute> then I ltsp-chroot'ed into it and installed rdesktop
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21:43 | <alkisg> So if you install something on the server, and not in the chroot, you'll see it in the thin client session
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21:43 | rdesktop? when you say "thin client session", what do you mean?
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21:44 | <alkisg> Do you login to a windows server, or to the ltsp server?
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21:44 | <matute> what I 've done is the opposite, but yes. I installed "rdesktop" (apt-get install rdesktop) having chrooted before
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21:45 | I'm always talking about linux and thin clients, it just happens to be that the program I installed is the rdesktop client
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21:45 | could have been any other
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21:45 | <alkisg> Which desktop environment are you using?
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21:45 | <matute> gnome 3
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21:45 | (and I'm already starting to hate it a bit)
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21:45 | <alkisg> And when you login to the client, you see gnome 3, right?
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21:45 | <matute> yeap
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21:46 | I see gnome 3
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21:46 | <alkisg> And there's no rdesktop there, right?
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21:46 | <matute> I can login
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21:46 | but the session is exactly as if I had login in the server
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21:46 | right
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21:46 | <alkisg> That's what thin clients are for
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21:46 | So, you need to install rdesktop directly on the server /
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21:46 | Not in the chroot
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21:47 | <matute> ok, I get it.
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21:47 | <alkisg> If you apt-get get install rdesktop on the server, then you'll see it directly on the client
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21:47 | But, there are other options in ltsp
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21:47 | What are your client specs? CPU/RAM?
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21:47 | <matute> varies a lot
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21:47 | <alkisg> Do you have anything with less than 1 GB RAM?
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21:48 | <matute> the PC i'm working on right now (the thin client of course) is a 4GB dual core diskless
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21:48 | I would say nothing below de 1GB mark
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21:48 | <alkisg> !thin-client-bandwidth
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21:48 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'thin-client-bandwidth', but I do know about these similar topics: 'thin-clients-bandwidth'
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21:48 | <alkisg> !thin-clients-bandwidth
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21:48 | <ltsp> thin-clients-bandwidth: A small explanation why thin clients can't perform well with video, lots of screen updates etc: https://sourceforge.net/p/ltsp/mailman/message/35694699/
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21:48 | <matute> that's a robot right?
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21:48 | <alkisg> I wrote a message to the ltsp mailing list a couple of days ago, read about it
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21:48 | Yes
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21:48 | So, in that link I explain the downsides of thin clients,
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21:49 | and end up suggesting that people should use ltsp fat clients,
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21:49 | which are still diskless and netbooted from the same server image
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21:49 | But there, you install rdesktop to the chroot, like you tried to do, not on the server
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21:49 | And rdesktop ends up running with the client cpu/ram, not with the server cpu/ram
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21:49 | <matute> sorry for my ignorance, is that the nbd model?
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21:49 | <alkisg> It can work with either nbd or nfs, it doesn't matter much
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21:50 | nbd is just 2.5 times faster
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21:50 | LTSP has supported fat clients for a lot of years, but for some reason there are many cases where users don't know about them
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21:50 | <matute> I usually use ltsp-localapps to achieve that
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21:50 | <alkisg> The newest and easiest way to maintain an ltsp installation, is ltsp-pnp:
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21:51 | !ltsp-pnp
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21:51 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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21:51 | <alkisg> Right, now everything is a localapp
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21:51 | And it's a lot more stable and easy to maintain
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21:51 | ltsp-pnp works in debian too, if you google about it vagrant has written a how-to (might be a bit old though)
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21:52 | <matute> ok I will read carefully what you wrote, I 've been dealing with a couple of working LTSP installations but this is the first time I install one from scratch
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21:52 | <ZAJDAN> if I have instaled lstp-server and want to use lstp-pnp...should I unistall lstp-server?
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21:53 | <matute> Only thing is that I like (and kind of need) to understand what's going on, so I see I have a lot of reading ahead
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21:53 | Thanks a lot for your help, I appreciate it a lot
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21:54 | <alkisg> ZAJDAN: if you want the stock ltsp-pnp, you would need to replace tftpd-hpa with dnsmasq, and delete the chroot
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21:54 | matute: np
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21:54 | <alkisg> If you guys have 1 hour, you could set up ltsp-pnp with ubuntu-mate 16.04 in a new computer, and see how it's supposed to work
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21:55 | (1 hour includes both the os installation and the ltsp part)
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21:55 | <syntaxerrormmm> hi guys, I have issues with epoptes not sharing the "server" monitor. Machines are all 14.04 64bit with 5.10.1
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21:55 | <ZAJDAN> ok so I will unistall tftp-hpa and lstp-server
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21:55 | <alkisg> You'll see that the clients that have >512 MB RAM run a whole lot better as fat clients
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21:55 | ZAJDAN: keep ltsp-server, remove tftpd-hpa (not tftp-hpa, that's the client)
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21:56 | syntaxerrormmm: is epoptes running? ps aux|grep epoptes
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21:56 | <ZAJDAN> ok ok
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21:56 | <syntaxerrormmm> on the server? Sure, I can see all the powered-on clients
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21:56 | <matute> I'll give it a try
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21:56 | <syntaxerrormmm> (btw thx alkisg)
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21:56 | <alkisg> syntaxerrormmm: ah, do you mean the "broadcast screen" command?
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21:56 | <matute> thanks alkisg!
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21:56 | <alkisg> You're welcome :)
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21:56 | <syntaxerrormmm> alkisg: yes, sorry
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21:57 | <alkisg> syntaxerrormmm: hmm, it's 0:00 here, mind if I see that with "remote support" so that it's faster?
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21:57 | !vnc-edide
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21:57 | <ltsp> vnc-edide: To share your screen with me, open Epoptes → Help menu → Remote support → Host: srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr, and click the Connect button
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21:57 | <syntaxerrormmm> quite complex but can try
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21:57 | <ZAJDAN> the DNSMASQ..will I need it when DHCP provide my Mikrotik router?
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21:57 | <syntaxerrormmm> I am on VPN connected to VNC on a machine with the server
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21:58 | <alkisg> ZAJDAN: yes, for tftpd
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21:58 | syntaxerrormmm: if your host is linux, you could do this instead:
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21:58 | !vnc-dide
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21:58 | <ltsp> vnc-dide: To share your screen with me, run this: sudo apt-get --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr - this is a reverse connection, it doesn't need port forwarding etc.
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21:58 | <alkisg> ...and share your host screen instead of the server screen
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21:59 | <syntaxerrormmm> thx, doing it in a second...
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22:03 | <matute> read what you wrote Alkis, I get it. still got some doubts but I will do my homework before throwing questions... by the way I didn't know that Mate was called like that because of the Yerba Mate (which I'm drinking right now, in Argentina... ) Bye and thanks again!
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22:04 | <alkisg> bb!
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22:05 | <ZAJDAN> ltsp-pnp is also for debian?
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22:05 | <alkisg> Yes, google for a how to debian ltsp-pnp
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22:06 | <syntaxerrormmm> docente!
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22:06 | sorry, wrong window ;)
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22:07 | <ZAJDAN> do I understand, that ltsp-pnp is not a package, but method?
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22:08 | <alkisg> syntaxerrormmm: I think the problem was ufw, but now with the tests that client needs a reboot
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22:09 | <syntaxerrormmm> don't know if you have a little more time, will reboot now
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22:09 | <alkisg> syntaxerrormmm: if service ufw stop + client reboot doesn't fix it, come again tomorrow morning greek time
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22:09 | You're in Italy, right? Should be ok for you...
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22:09 | ZAJDAN: right, it's a method, not a package
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22:09 | <syntaxerrormmm> yes, I am
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22:10 | don't know if I can manage in the morning, but I will contact you as soon as possible
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22:10 | <alkisg> Try to login now...
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22:10 | <syntaxerrormmm> (lab is also remote for me)
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22:10 | <ZAJDAN> alkisg: ok..thnx....so with this method I cannot use as DHCP router Mikrotik? there is possible set Options for PXE
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22:11 | <alkisg> ZAJDAN: sure you can
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22:11 | <ZAJDAN> super
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22:11 | <syntaxerrormmm> seems working now, don't understand why others were working but not this one
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22:12 | <alkisg> syntaxerrormmm: the problem was ufw and random ports in epoptes
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22:12 | So, the wrong random ports were blocked
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22:12 | But other random ports were allowed
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22:12 | <syntaxerrormmm> ok. So you will advice for disabling ufw?
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22:12 | <alkisg> Broadcasting selects a random port to send the broadcast...
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22:12 | Yes unfortnately epoptes isn't very firewall friendly at the moment
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22:13 | There's a bug report filed for that, and a patch exists
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22:13 | <syntaxerrormmm> alkisg: thank you very much. I do owe you a lot, really.
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22:13 | (and also some schools in italy do ;) )
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22:14 | <alkisg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/epoptes/+bug/1244975
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22:14 | You're welcome. Paypal donations accepted. :P :D
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22:14 | Good night everyone!
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22:14 | <syntaxerrormmm> alkisg: I will, for sure
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22:14 | good night and thanks again :)
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22:15 | <ZAJDAN> which distribution is the best for LTSP-PNP ?
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22:18 | <alkisg> ZAJDAN: I maintain it's ubuntu version, but debian is fine too, maybe a bit less documented
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22:19 | ZAJDAN: if you don't mind, follow this part exactly, it'll work even with your router:
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22:19 | !ltsp-pnp
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22:19 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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22:19 | * alkisg waves and really goes afk now :) | |
22:21 | <ZAJDAN> debian has for ltsp-pnp old documentation
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22:24 | in my case on the server will not run DHCP server, so I am not sure how to continue
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22:24 | https://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto .....I ended on point 3.
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