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| 08:32 | <cliebow_> !seen sbalneav
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| 08:32 | <ltspbot> cliebow_: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 3 days, 21 hours, 53 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <sbalneav> I've been hellishly busy
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| 09:14 | <cdealer__> hi all ...
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| 09:15 | <cdealer__> how can I change the default language from the ltsp client to soemthing else then english ?
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| 12:35 | <BadMagic> compiz is getting better... Not sure what I just changed (that helped compiz overall), but now mplayer doesn't want to render xv. It will work if I -vo x11. What is the problem with compiz / nvidia / xv?
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| 12:35 | <cdealer__> Gadi: its possible to make a local printer to be seen by the server ?
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| 12:37 | <johnny> you can always pretend it's remote
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| 12:37 | when you add it
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| 12:37 | use IPP
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| 12:37 | that should work
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| 12:40 | <cdealer__> johnny: but the local printer is connected to a ltsp client ...
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| 12:40 | <johnny> hmm.. that's odd
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| 12:40 | why?
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| 12:41 | <cdealer__> johnny: a ltspclient have a printer (some deskjet) connected to his computer... and want to use it...
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| 13:04 | ...
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| 13:06 | the major problem Im having is the fact of the clients having no sound... this problem I dont know how to workaround... any problem or tip on how to make sound to work on the clients?
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| 13:06 | <johnny> i don't have speakers on my clients.. so i haven't tried out sound
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| 13:11 | <cdealer__> sound is something that must have here...
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| 13:11 | =/
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| 13:12 | well... tomorrow we give a look on that
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| 13:20 | <cliebow_> any one have a logrotate scheme to snapshot rsynced homedirs
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| 13:20 | ?
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| 14:06 | <fprimex> Hi all. I have successfully set up ltsp using ubuntu, and would like to make it so that the client has access to all local hard disk drives and usb when booted. I have read a few things on how to enable support for CDROMs and USB, but can't find info on hard disks. can someone help me with this configuration?
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| 14:09 | err, think I found the answer.. brb if doesn't work...
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| 14:40 | <fprimex> ok back... I installed ltspfs and that caused the floppy drive to show up, but still no hard disk drive (it has an NTFS partition on it)
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| 14:44 | tried it on another computer and it sees the dell utility partition (which is a type of FAT) - so I assume that it has something to do with the HD being NTFS
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| 14:45 | <johnny> ntfs should be readable out of the box, unless the kernel in the chroot is purposefully built without it
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| 14:46 | do you have ntfs3g ? you need that if you want to write
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| 14:46 | maybe that has to be installed in the chroot
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| 14:51 | <fprimex> yep, I can read / write USB NTFS hard drives
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| 14:51 | on the main computer, that is
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| 14:51 | how could I check the chroot for NTFS support?
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| 14:53 | <johnny> i'd suggest installing ntfs3g in the chroot
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| 14:53 | <fprimex> ok
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| 14:55 | <Gadi> fprimex: easier than that - make a root password for the chroot and log in on tty1
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| 14:56 | then, on the client cat /proc/filesystems
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| 14:56 | <fprimex> err, I'm already sudo ltsp-update-image'ing
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| 14:57 | <Gadi> seems ntfs module is in just not loaded by default
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| 14:57 | see if: MODULE_01 = ntfs
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| 14:57 | works in lts.conf
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| 14:57 | <fprimex> will have to wait for this to complete, but I will check those things in a client as soon as I can
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| 14:58 | <Gadi> okey dokey
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| 15:04 | <fprimex> Gadi: I did a sudo su - to get root, and while fuse and fuseblk are in the list of /proc/filesystems, there is nothing about ntfs
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| 15:05 | <Gadi> fprimex: on the client console?
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| 15:05 | <fprimex> does MODULE_01 = ntfs need to be under a section?
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| 15:05 | <Gadi> ctrl-alt-f1?
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| 15:05 | <fprimex> Gadi: yes
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| 15:05 | oh, no
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| 15:05 | <Gadi> why do you need sudo?
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| 15:05 | did you not login as root?
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| 15:06 | <fprimex> no, because it's ubuntu, but sudo su - gives root on ubuntu
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| 15:06 | <Gadi> dont confuse the client and server :)
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| 15:06 | only on the server
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| 15:06 | not on your thin client
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| 15:06 | <fprimex> ah
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| 15:06 | <Gadi> I dont think ur looking on the thin client
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| 15:06 | <johnny> ntfs is only write
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| 15:06 | err
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| 15:06 | ntfs module is only read
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| 15:06 | you have to have fuse loaded to write
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| 15:07 | and ntfs3g installed
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| 15:07 | <Gadi> right - the kernel mod is only read
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| 15:07 | the fuse-based mod is both
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| 15:07 | <fprimex> fuse, fuseblk, and fusectl appear on both
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| 15:07 | <johnny> and you should already have fuse if you have ltspfs
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| 15:07 | <Gadi> but, for that, you need to load fuse
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| 15:07 | <johnny> right?
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| 15:07 | <Gadi> not on the client
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| 15:07 | <johnny> oh ok
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| 15:07 | <Gadi> the *thin client* needs fuse
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| 15:07 | now, it is probably in there
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| 15:07 | you could try: MODULE_01 = fuse
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| 15:08 | and then see if it will mount
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| 15:08 | <fprimex> does that need to be under a section like [Default] or anything?
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| 15:08 | <Gadi> yes
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| 15:08 | <fprimex> ok
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| 15:08 | <Gadi> it should be in: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 15:08 | you should have a [default]
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| 15:08 | section
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| 15:08 | and then a series of param=value
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| 15:08 | lines
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| 15:09 | you do NOT need to reroll the image
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| 15:09 | just edit that file and reboot
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| 15:09 | <fprimex> Ubuntu says to put it in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf, which didn't exist
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| 15:09 | <Gadi> create it
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| 15:09 | it doesnt exist by default
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| 15:09 | ltsp does not *need* a conf file
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| 15:10 | unless you change from the defaults
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| 15:11 | <fprimex> ok, booting up again :)
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| 15:11 | <Gadi> if you set SCREEN_07=ldm and SCREEN_02=shell , you can ctrl-alt-f2 to get to the thin client shell
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| 15:12 | from there, you can play and figure things out
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| 15:12 | * vagrantc suspects if you're using ltspfs, that it will use the kernel ntfs support rather than the ntfs3g fuse stuff | |
| 15:12 | <Gadi> like modprobe fuse, etc
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| 15:12 | vagrantc: the thin client does not load the ntfs module by default
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| 15:12 | so, it wont use either
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> sure, but you're going to have to hack up the udev rules and/or udev hooks to support the fuse-based ntfs support
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| 15:14 | <Gadi> ah, that may be true - I suppose the fuse based one doesnt honor the ntfs filesystem type?
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| 15:14 | * vagrantc thinks about getting gphotofs support, which is also fuse based | |
| 15:14 | <fprimex> Gadi: no luck, and now the desktop is not coming all the way up. I get my panel though
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> my guess is it will look at the filesystem and see that it's ntfs, and try the in kernel ntfs if present
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| 15:16 | hacking the client's /lib/udev/add_fstab_entry may be the place to check the filesystem type ...
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| 15:16 | i remember there were differences at one point in how ubuntu and debian handled that stuff ...
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| 15:16 | <fprimex> yeah, I think ubuntu defaults to 3g now
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| 15:17 | <Gadi> right - but udev will report ntfs - the question is whether the fuse-based ntfs support honors that
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| 15:17 | <vagrantc> i.e. weather to put "auto" for filesystem type, or actually specify the filesystem type from the udev rules
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| 15:17 | <Gadi> or if you need to specify it as some other type
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| 15:17 | * vagrantc suspects it will require some hacking | |
| 15:24 | <fprimex> how would I request to have ltpfs mount a local hard disk drive?
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| 15:24 | from df, I cannot tell what the device for the mounted DellUtility partition is
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| 15:25 | ltspfs, I mean
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| 15:30 | <vagrantc> fprimex: look at all the devices in /media/username and see if any have the stuff you're looking for
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| 15:30 | <fprimex> nope, just DellUtility, nothing else
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| 15:30 | <vagrantc> on debian, i recently disabled the mounting of non-removable media
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| 15:31 | but i suspect ubuntu still mounts it
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| 15:31 | Gadi: i even used the patch you provided to the udev rules and credited you in the debian changelog :P)
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| 15:32 | * vagrantc doesn't have any idea what that emoticon is | |
| 15:33 | <vagrantc> Gadi: see, you're famous: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/ltspfs/news/20080114T173207Z.html
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| 15:38 | <fprimex> I'm up for udev editing suggestions :)
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| 15:38 | <vagrantc> fprimex: so is the device mounted, just not showing anything ?
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| 15:38 | <fprimex> no, DellUtility is of type FAT and mounted fine. the actual Windows installation is nowhere to be found
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| 15:38 | that's the NTFS partition
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| 15:39 | <vagrantc> ok, so you want to mount the NTFS partition?
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| 15:39 | <fprimex> yep
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| 15:39 | <vagrantc> ah, mentioning the DellUtility confused me- i thought that's what you wanted to mount ...
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| 15:39 | !localdev
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| 15:39 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs, or (#4) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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| 15:40 | <fprimex> nope, that worked great after installing ltspfs
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| 15:40 | <vagrantc> fprimex: take a look at the DebugLocalDev instructions ... you'll want to see if it's added in /var/run/ltspfs_fstab or /etc/fstab
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| 15:40 | <fprimex> ok
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| 15:41 | <Gadi> YaY - I love being famous
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| 15:45 | <fprimex> I wonder if there is any difference between a USB ntfs partition and an internal ntfs partition
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| 15:48 | yes - external ntfs showed up when plugged in, but the window is empty
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| 15:49 | <Q-FUNK> hehehe
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| 15:50 | <vagrantc> otavio: so, i posted to pkg-ltsp-devel about getting different lintian results when built on a buildd and built locally ... any ideas on that?
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| 16:22 | <otavio> vagrantc: yes ...
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| 16:22 | vagrantc: will take a bath and then we chat about it...
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| 16:29 | <vagrantc> otavio: i might have to go soon ... need to get outside :)
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| 16:30 | otavio: i you miss me, please respond a bit on the pkg-ltsp-devel thread
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| 17:51 | <vagrantc> otavio: you back yet?
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| 18:10 | <haz___> hi, i need to change the DPI on a particular client and was hoping there was would be a way of doing it from lts.conf, but it looks like there isn't. can anyone suggest the easiest way of doing this?
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| 18:17 | * vagrantc notes that popularity-contest scores for ltsp-server in debian jumped about 50% in the last week ... | |
| 18:18 | <johnny> that's cuz vagrantc == popular
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| 18:18 | duh
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| 18:18 | <vagrantc> hmmm... not according to the graph ... maybe i just forgot the numbers
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| 18:18 | http://people.debian.org/~igloo/popcon-graphs/index.php?packages=ltsp-server
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| 18:19 | <haz___> umm, surely someone else has set custom DPI workstation settings?
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| 18:19 | should i use a custom XF86Config for that ws?
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