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Channel log from 25 September 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:38 | <gypsymauro> jhi
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| 05:38 | ldm it's very slow on ubuntu do u know if there is some enanchements in the future?
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| 05:41 | <cliebow> gypsymauro, you using feisty?
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| 05:41 | if so gutsy Will rock!!
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| 05:42 | <gypsymauro> cliebow: yes feisty
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| 05:43 | <cliebow> ldm is now written in c...
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| 05:43 | and
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| 05:43 | i think we are using squashfs/unionfs for "mounting" chroot.
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| 05:43 | Far faster..
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| 05:45 | <gypsymauro> great news:)
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| 05:45 | so I've to wait the release of gutsy
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| 05:45 | when will be released?
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| 05:45 | <ogra> everything is faster in gutsy :)
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| 05:45 | not only ldm
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| 05:46 | <gypsymauro> great:)
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| 05:58 | <cyberorg> ogra, we got build service repository, server:ltsp, it is now possible to create packages for all major distros from same tarballs
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| 05:58 | http://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=server%3Altsp
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| 06:00 | <cliebow> very Cool!!!
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| 06:00 | <ogra> cyberorg, thats a proper bzr branch we could merge ?
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| 06:00 | * ogra doest get access, it asks for a PW | |
| 06:00 | <cyberorg> ogra, that is build service to create packages
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| 06:00 | <ogra> ah
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| 06:00 | <cyberorg> ogra, use any novell/opensuse account to log in
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| 06:00 | <ogra> haha
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| 06:01 | <cyberorg> we can create packages for all buntus, debians, mandrivas, fedoras and suse
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| 06:01 | <cliebow> lacks?
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| 06:01 | slacks?
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| 06:02 | <ogra> well, that wont help you for ubuntu or debian :) the packages for them need to be buiold by the respective archive build servers to end up in the distro :)
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| 06:02 | <cyberorg> cliebow, no slacks yet, http://build.opensuse.org/project/add_target_simple?project=server%3Altsp list of all targets
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| 06:02 | it is open source so slackers can write support for it ;)
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| 06:03 | <cliebow> hehee
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| 06:03 | <ogra> which is waht we do since two years already ... unlikely that we'll change over to a suse build system :)
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| 06:03 | <cyberorg> ogra, of course, this is meant for any developers who want to directly provide packages, it provides mirrors all over
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| 06:04 | <ogra> well, thats fine for suse packages then, great to see you getting forward (even though i'd still love to see that your code integrates with the upstream code)
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| 06:04 | <cyberorg> devs do not have to invest in infrastructure required to build packages for different distros, archs
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| 06:05 | <ogra> (which requires really minimal changes)
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| 06:05 | <cyberorg> ogra, yeah, need help for that, i don't know what is expected
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| 06:05 | <ogra> that undermines the upstream idea of having püer vendor plugins
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| 06:06 | <cyberorg> i can add anyone as maintainers to our svn repo if you like
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| 06:06 | <vpro> do you have any experience of usb headsets?
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| 06:06 | <ogra> it would be better if every distro would use their own plugins dir in the upstream code so we can merge properly
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| 06:06 | <cyberorg> ogra, without any change you can import our entire trunk under suse?
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| 06:07 | <ogra> cyberorg, neither me nore sbalneav or vagrantc will switch from bzr to svn, we're fine with the branches we use
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| 06:07 | <cyberorg> ogra, i understand that :) that was for changes that would be required so it can be merged by you guys
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| 06:08 | <ogra> well, i'd still prefer a bzr branch, but i'll look after gutsy is out how we can import from svn
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| 06:08 | <cyberorg> ogra, to make it easy i created a launchpad project too
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| 06:09 | hopefully they will import svn and convert to bzr https://launchpad.net/kiwi-ltsp/trunk
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| 06:09 | "Launchpad has not yet attempted this import. The vcs-imports operator will review the source details and either mark the series "Do not sync", or perform a test import. If the test import is successful, a public import will be created. After the public import completes, it will be updated automatically."
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| 06:09 | donno how long these vcs-import ops take
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| 06:11 | <ogra> should happen soon
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| 06:11 | that great :)
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| 06:11 | *that's
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| 06:11 | * ogra hugs cyberorg | |
| 06:11 | <ogra> makes merging really easy
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| 06:12 | and LP has a monitor, if ltsp-drivers subscribes to your code branch we'll get notification for stuff we can merge
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| 06:12 | so ping me if the import is done, i'll subscribe to it
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| 06:12 | <cyberorg> ogra, after doing all this thing to get ltsp5 working i feel integrating into any distro is extremely easy for 'real' developers
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| 06:13 | i need help in getting everything working properly, wish we had help from more suse devs
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| 06:22 | <cdealer> Hi
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| 06:24 | Im going to install ltsp on SLES and I just want to know if the right thing to do is downloading the ltsp-4.2u2-0.iso from http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/isos/ ... is this the last update?
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| 06:30 | <ogra> cdealer, you can either use the old 4.2 stuff, then there are ltsp5 tarballs of the debisn and ubuntu setups you can use with some maual work on the server side and then there is kiwi-ltsp from cyberorg which is still very young but the neares you can get to ltsp5 on a suse
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| 06:32 | <cdealer> [ogra]:: isnt a better choice and more supported the 4.2 version ?
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| 06:32 | <cyberorg> ogra, it is for opensuse 10.3 only
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| 06:33 | <ogra> cdealer, 4.2 isnt developed since two years any more
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| 06:33 | <cyberorg> cdealer, http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP
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| 06:33 | <cdealer> [cyberorg]:: and this will do for SLES 10 ?
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| 06:36 | [ogra]:: you consider the possibility of getting pay to configure a ltsp server ?
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| 06:36 | <ogra> cdealer, i get pay for writing ltsp from canonical already :)
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| 06:37 | <IRCzito> :D
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| 06:37 | <cdealer> [ogra]:: we need ltsp for a production enviroment so we cant have mistakes =/
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| 06:37 | <ogra> be we're all around and availabe here in the channel nearly around the clock ... 64 ppl ... you should find someone to help you for every incident :)
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| 06:40 | <cdealer> [ogra]:: we can pay ..... hehe =D but its ok, I will be around then
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| 06:40 | <ogra> cdealer, where do you sit btw ?
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| 06:41 | <cyberorg> cdealer, sles is too old for our purpose, may be once i have everything figured out for 10.3 i may think of back porting it
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| 06:42 | <ogra> well, for a stable upgradeable and security supported setup i'd really recommend ubuntu or debian then
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| 06:42 | <cdealer> [ogra]:: at floripa, brazil
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| 06:42 | <ogra> 4.2 has no security support or updates at all anymore
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| 06:42 | ah, well, i'm in germany :)
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| 06:43 | (you can buy commercial support for ltsp servers at canonical as well btw)
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| 06:43 | <cdealer> [ogra]:: we have remote support
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| 06:45 | <ogra> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/paid ... 9x5 costs $1200/year 24/7 $4000 but indeed thats not for SLES servers :)
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| 06:45 | <cdealer> we thought about SLES for the security and updates reason
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| 06:45 | <ogra> http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=29&products_id=62
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| 06:45 | <ogra> and you can buy an edubuntu server with ltsp preinstalled :)
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| 06:47 | (not sure they ship to brazil though and i bet customs would double the price for you down there)
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| 06:47 | <cyberorg> cdealer, sles is not ideal for ltsp as it does not have user applications like even openoffice
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| 06:47 | <cdealer> [ogra]:: buying a server its not that easy for us, we must do audiction and stuff, so we are thinking about itautec or dell, both offer a 16gb quad xeon box
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| 06:48 | [cyberorg]:: I will get back to ubuntu, you convinced me hehe =)
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| 06:50 | <cyberorg> cdealer, heh, i have never used ubuntu for more than 5 minutes, would advise to use opensuse, you can save the money, contribute to the project making it better
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| 06:50 | ubuntu has the best ltsp integration if you are in a hurry
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| 06:50 | <ogra> cyberorg, but which stable production ready options with security support does he have
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| 06:51 | <cdealer> [cyberorg]:: well, im just looking for the best option, its like I said we be a 80 users production server so I must choose wisely
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| 06:51 | <cyberorg> cdealer, how much time have you got?
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| 06:51 | ogra, true, there is nothing even close to what edubuntu offers
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| 06:52 | <ogra> well, debian ...
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| 06:52 | <cyberorg> i thought you guys had the latest
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| 06:52 | <ogra> but you have to find a local company or something that offers support if you have a CTO that demands support contracts
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| 06:52 | <cdealer> [cyberorg]:: I have tested already ubuntu and it worked great, but we have some problems and started testing suse, but we are already at a hurry, I have to have some decision until friday
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| 06:53 | <ogra> we work closely together, debian sid currently has the same as ubuntu gutsy modulo the nbd/squashfs stuff
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| 06:53 | <cyberorg> cdealer, do you have good developer talent?
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| 06:53 | <cdealer> but know we discovery that the problems was not because of ubuntu, but I liked the support of suse and though in this distro, but the most inmportant is the ltsp to work
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| 06:53 | <ogra> during releases we usually get out of sync so for example the etch ltsp is a pretty old version
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| 06:53 | more like ubuntu edgy (which is two releases ago)
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| 06:54 | etch is the last stable debian, so with that they are outdated ...
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| 06:54 | with their next release they might be ahead ... its really depending on our release schedules :)
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| 06:55 | <cyberorg> ogra, do debian have something like edubuntu, preinstalled ltsp?
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| 06:56 | <cdealer> so what Im getting here is the if my question is the best supported distro I must go with ubuntu 7.04 ?
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| 06:57 | <ogra> cyberorg, debian-edu
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| 06:57 | cdealer, yes
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| 07:00 | <cdealer> [ogra]:: have you already get success with skype in clients ? Here it was crashing
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| 07:01 | <ogra> no, we dont have sound input out of the box yet on clients ... with feisty we made the big switch to use alsa everywhere but in gutsy there was no time for furter work on the sound stack
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| 07:02 | there is an opensuse guy who develops something on top of ubuntu/ltsp look on the novell wiki, he has some (not so unhackish but apparently working) instructions
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| 07:03 | <cyberorg> ogra, what is required for sound input?
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| 07:03 | <cdealer> [ogra]:: forget suse, Im going with ubuntu... its worked already so we think this is the best choice
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| 07:03 | <ogra> cyberorg, proper detection on te client side
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| 07:03 | <cyberorg> ogra, we have working sound using esd and ESPEAKER export, is that enough?
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| 07:03 | <ogra> cyberorg, there were plans to have hal on the clients, then it shouldnt be any prob anymore
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| 07:04 | we dont use esd anywhere anymore
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| 07:04 | on the client runs a pulseaudio server ... if you log in to the server a virtual asla device is created for you that uses the pulse network transport in the backend
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| 07:05 | <cdealer> I tried the pulseaudio solution but didnt work... probably a configuration problem
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| 07:05 | <ogra> with feisty ?
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| 07:05 | <cdealer> yep
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| 07:06 | <ogra> tha configured out of the box ... what did you try there ?
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| 07:06 | *that's
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| 07:07 | as long as you dont touch any config in ltsp5 in ubuntu everything should just work ...
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| 07:07 | there is one exception for local devcie access you need to anable users to do s for security reasons (add the to the fuse group)
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| 07:07 | all other features should just work
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| 07:08 | no need to configure anything
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| 07:08 | <cdealer> [ogra]:: Im talking about skype
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| 07:08 | <ogra> ah
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| 07:08 | <cdealer> skype didnt work out of the box
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| 07:08 | <ogra> right
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| 07:08 | i thought you tried to get pulseaudio working by manually setting stuff up :) sorry
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| 07:09 | <cdealer> oh, no no... the audio in general worked great
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| 07:09 | the only missing thing was skype
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| 07:09 | <ogra> have a look at the ltsp-client and ltsp-client-setup initscripts under /opt/ltsp/i386 ...
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| 07:10 | <ogra> there is a function that sets up sound which overrides the pulse configuration
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| 07:10 | if you wnst to do changes to pulse, do them there
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| 07:26 | <burnerx> where can i purchase cheap thin clients ?
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| 07:27 | i know linutop(s)
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| 07:27 | <ogra> cheap ? ebay
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| 08:07 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:08 | <ogra> !s
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| 08:08 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:10 | <sbalneav> Morning ogra
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| 08:11 | <sbalneav> Hey, vagrantc pointed out that the stuff for ldm that's going on in /tmp's unsafe, and probably should be going on in /var/run. It ok for me to change that at this stage of the game?
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| 08:11 | Q-FUNK: hey there.
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| 08:12 | <ogra> huh ?
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| 08:12 | where is anythng going into /tmp ?
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| 08:12 | i thought that was changed long ago
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| 08:12 | <sbalneav> Q-FUNK: The amd-driver autoconfigure: ** Changed in: xserver-xorg-video-amd (Ubuntu) Assignee: Bryce Harrington (bryceharrington) => (unassigned)
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| 08:12 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: yes, I just noticed that
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| 08:12 | <sbalneav> ogra: no, the stuff that we added in for the multi-host stuff's writing to /tmp
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| 08:13 | I can change it easily enough.
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| 08:13 | <ogra> hmm
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| 08:13 | how many lines ?
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| 08:13 | <sbalneav> maybe 4-5
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| 08:13 | <ogra> (after beta if at all ...)
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| 08:13 | ok
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| 08:13 | that should be good
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| 08:14 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: I think that bryce decided not to tackle it himself, because time is running out and he is still missing the backtrace
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| 08:14 | <sbalneav> just a couple of places in the ldm screen script.
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| 08:14 | I can't seem to generate one.
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| 08:15 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: not even following the wiki's backtrace howto?
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| 08:17 | <sbalneav> Nope.
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| 08:17 | Doesn't seem to want to work on a TC.
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| 08:17 | <sbalneav> Maybe I haven't got something installed, but I can't see what.
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| 08:37 | <sbalneav> ogra: ok, I've pushed the changes. Works out to about 4 lines of code.
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| 08:37 | <ogra> ok
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| 08:38 | <sbalneav> 2 don't count
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| 08:38 | <ogra> i wont merge before monday though
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| 08:38 | <sbalneav> one was a dead reference in rdesktop, which I removed just of clarity, and one was a comment. :)
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| 08:38 | <ogra> beta is n thursday and i just was told that i have to hop on a plane to cyprus pretty much if the release announcement is out
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| 08:39 | so i wont be back before sunday
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| 08:39 | <sbalneav> Cool! What's up in Cyprus?
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| 08:40 | <ogra> the EU project we work with with edubuntu
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| 08:40 | someone missed his appointment and i have to hop in
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| 08:40 | <sbalneav> Ah, nice. Oliver Grawert: international man of mystery
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| 08:40 | <ogra> heh
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| 08:41 | Oliver Grawert: international man of permanent flight sickness
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| 08:41 | well at least i'll have a direct flight if all works out ...
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| 08:41 | <sbalneav> Germany! Cyprus! Poland! Spain! One never knows where he'll pop up, but wherever he is, there's bound to be... ADVENTURE!
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| 08:41 | <ogra> well, most of the time getting there is my adventure
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| 08:42 | * sbalneav pictures ogra in a tux with a Walther PPK | |
| 08:42 | <ogra> (we had "The Terminal" on TV yesterday night ... oh, how could i feel with the protagonist
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| 08:42 | <sbalneav> "The name's Grawert. Oliver Grawert"
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| 08:42 | <ogra> lol
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| 08:44 | <sbalneav> I'd expect your secret agent number would be 700, instead of 007, as that would be more secure :)
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| 08:44 | That's a chmod joke, folks.
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| 08:47 | <cliebow_> heehee
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| 08:47 | <ogra> lol
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| 08:48 | <cliebow_> I am jealous..
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| 08:49 | perhaps "time traveler" got a sonic screwdriver handy?
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| 08:49 | got Rose Tyler handy?? 8~)
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| 08:49 | <sbalneav> cliebow_: You a Dr. Who fan?
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| 08:49 | <ogra> on me ? for seeing a cypriotic hotel for half a day ? belive me thats not as exciting as it sounds
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| 08:49 | <cliebow_> Ohh Man you bet!!
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| 08:49 | <sbalneav> Who's your favorite?
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| 08:50 | <cliebow_> cant look at a statue the same anymore..
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| 08:50 | Tom Baker..a long time ago..but the present one is Awesome
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| 08:50 | They have All been good..
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| 08:50 | peter davidon
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| 08:50 | peter davison
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| 08:51 | perhaps only cause he was tristan in All creatures
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| 08:51 | rjune likes it as well...
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| 08:52 | <sbalneav> Patric Troughton was always my favorite.
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| 08:52 | 2nd doctor.
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| 08:52 | And John Pertwee
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| 08:53 | <cliebow_> that goes way back...brb
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| 09:24 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Good morning...
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| 09:25 | sbalneav: Does fuse and/or ltspfs have limit of simultaneous users?
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| 09:27 | sbalneav: I mean... On Uninorte we have many users with problems mounting pen-drives. When we test it by the morning it goes fine, but late night the users says that it doesn't work...
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| 09:32 | <ubuntu> anyone else come across noboot ..ending at starting kernel log daemon
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| 09:32 | <sbalneav> Guaraldo: Well, it wouldn't be an ltspfs issue, I don't limit the number of mounts.
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| 09:32 | so, I'd expect it'd be a fuse issue.
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| 09:33 | <sbalneav> Guaraldo: How many fuse mounts would there be?
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| 09:34 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: About 50 in each server
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| 09:34 | sbalneav: or more...
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| 09:35 | sbalneav: Its 7 servers...
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| 09:37 | <ogra> 50 mounts arent much
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| 09:38 | especially since ltspfs mounts are only really mounted during file operations
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| 09:38 | <ogra> but not during idle times
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| 09:39 | <sbalneav> "users report problems with mounting pen-drives" is a little vague. Anything more specific for us to go on?
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| 09:46 | Guaraldo: ?
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| 09:53 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Sory...
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| 09:54 | sbalneav: Yes...
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| 09:55 | sbalneav: I had to force modules uhci and ohci to USB interface be recognized...
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| 09:55 | <ogra> are ou using 4.2 ?
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| 09:55 | *you
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| 09:56 | <sbalneav> Well, that's on the client. I'm talking on the server.
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| 09:56 | <Guaraldo> ogra: Yes...
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| 09:56 | <ogra> ah, well ...
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| 09:56 | note tht ohci is usb 1.1
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| 09:56 | *that
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| 09:56 | load that only if you have usb mice or keyboards etc
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| 09:57 | * ogra reads the edubuntu handbook on the livecd | |
| 09:58 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: By the morning, when network is less used, pen-drives works very well... Wen there are many users (at night) the users reports problems... I asked a test today at night to check what is really happening...
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| 09:59 | <ogra> book.labelThe Edubuntu Handbook
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| 09:59 | hmm, that looks a tad broken
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| 09:59 | <Guaraldo> ogra: Ok... thanks. I'll do that...
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| 10:00 | <sbalneav> Guaraldo: Without more information, it's hard to say, maybe something's messing up with lbus.
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| 10:01 | <Guaraldo> ogra: both ohci and uhci loaded at the same time can mess up lbus?
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| 10:01 | <ogra> Guaraldo, i have no clue about lbus, sorry, we never used it in ltsp5
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| 10:01 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: I pass you the question... :-D
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| 10:02 | <ogra> sbalneav, oh sweet :) you even tell the users how many simms they need for the amount of ram :)
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| 10:02 | * ogra really likes the new edubutu handbook :) | |
| 10:02 | <ogra> *edubuntu
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| 10:03 | <sbalneav> Good.
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| 10:03 | It was a LOT of work.
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| 10:03 | <ogra> that "book.label" thing needs fixage though
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| 10:03 | <sbalneav> Where's that?
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| 10:03 | <ogra> seems like an export error or a dtd mistmatch ...
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| 10:04 | front page of the book
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| 10:04 | <sbalneav> I'll have a look in a sec...
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| 10:06 | <ogra> looks like a LaserJock job :)
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| 10:06 | nothing urgent anyway, given i cant change it before beta :)
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| 10:19 | <sbalneav> ogra: Still liking it?
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| 10:19 | <ogra> sbalneav, sure :)
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| 10:19 | <sbalneav> Nothing jumping out at you as being blatantly wrong? Should be a good resource for users.
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| 10:20 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:20 | its all fine so far (i'm testing the CD cant read all of it)
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| 10:23 | <masus> hi all
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| 10:24 | <masus> welcome masus
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| 10:24 | :)
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| 10:27 | <elisboa> haa
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| 10:44 | <bobnormal> hi, its my first time using ltsp. im on gentoo. nfs is running with nfs/portmapper/mountd, PXE starts fine (though for some reason ignores the kernel name in the pxelinux.cfg default file and uses 'linux' instead?!?!) .. though after linux boots i get a kernel panic - not syncing: vfs: unable to mount root fs on unknown block (after VFS: cannot open root device "<null>" ... anyone know whats to blame?
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| 10:45 | <ogra> null ?
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| 10:45 | <bobnormal> ogra: yes it seems strange.
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| 10:45 | <ogra> that sounds like a broken initramfs or so ...
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| 10:45 | as if your kernel or initramfs dont support netbooting
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| 10:46 | <bobnormal> ogra: i am using the default in gentoo, my network card is a common onboard one, though i cant see any network-card-related stuff in the linux boot info
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| 10:46 | ogra: i guess gentoo's ltsp package is based on pxestuff or whatever the standard files are, i can give you md5sum if you like
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| 10:46 | <ogra> i have no clue about the gentoo stuff :)
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| 10:46 | <sbalneav> bobnormal: did you download 4.2 from the ltsp.org website yourself? Or emerge it?
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| 10:46 | <ogra> dberkholz, is your man
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| 10:47 | <bobnormal> sbalneav: emerged .. installed version is 4.2-r1
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| 10:48 | <sbalneav> ok, IIRC, gentoo sort of did their own thing with the 4.2 tree, and last I heard, it was broken.
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| 10:48 | <bobnormal> rocking. i'll try manual install then
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| 10:51 | <jammcq> ogra: ping
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| 10:52 | <ogra> jammcq, pong
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| 10:52 | <jammcq> ogra: can you tell me the name of the ubuntu package that makes wide-screen mode work properly with intel graphics?
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| 10:52 | i've forgotten what it is called
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| 10:52 | and i'm trying to help a friend
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| 10:52 | <ogra> use the intel driver :)
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| 10:52 | <jammcq> yes, the i810 driver?
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| 10:53 | already using it
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| 10:53 | <ogra> or if you really need i810 (largely obsolete) use 915resolution (ugly hack)
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| 10:53 | <jammcq> that's the one
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| 10:53 | <ogra> no, i was talking about the intel driver
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| 10:53 | <jammcq> oh
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| 10:53 | <ogra> not i810
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| 10:53 | <jammcq> ooooh
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| 10:53 | <jcastro> yeah, if you just use the -intel driver it just works
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| 10:53 | <ogra> you should only use i180 if intel doesnt work
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| 10:54 | * ogra has to use it on the classmate ... -intel doesnt support panning over virtual desktops ... they traded it for proper multi display support ... now who needs that rather than panning tsk | |
| 10:54 | <jammcq> would just installing the intel package automatically make it use it during the next boot-up?
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| 10:55 | <ogra> no, you need to put it in the config
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| 10:55 | <jcastro> replace i810 with intel in xorg.conf
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| 10:55 | <ogra> or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as you like
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| 10:55 | <jammcq> ooh, ok
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| 10:55 | <jcastro> jammcq: after that it should just come up in the native widescreen mode
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| 11:09 | <sbalneav> jcastro: So what, no whiprush now?
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| 11:11 | <jcastro> sbalneav: I wanted to be cool like you.
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| 11:13 | <sbalneav> I got news for you :)
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| 11:13 | You picked the wrong guy to emulate if cool's what your after :)
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| 11:15 | <ogra> nah, he didnt
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| 11:15 | <jcastro> sbalneav: no way dude.
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| 11:15 | I am going to grow a mustache.
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| 11:15 | (not really)
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| 11:15 | <ogra> but a belly ?
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| 11:16 | <sbalneav> :)
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| 11:33 | <jammcq> ogra and jcastro, thanks for the advice on the intel driver. now they think i'm a genius :)
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| 11:33 | <jammcq> 1440x900 looks WAY BETTER than 1024x768 on that hardware
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| 11:33 | <ogra> dont tell them you arent ;) you never knw when you need fanboys ;)
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| 11:33 | <jammcq> :)
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| 12:15 | <cdealer> [ogra]:: the wiki is up ? im getting server not found when try to open any link at ltsp.org
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| 12:19 | <ogra> clicking the link from teh topic gets me directly on a proper page
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| 12:25 | <cdealer> [ogra]:: try from the site
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| 12:25 | from here its ok
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| 12:26 | <ogra> wiki.ltsp.org works fine for me
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| 12:26 | www as well
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| 12:28 | <cdealer> [ogra]:: i did something, realy... now its working haha O.o
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| 12:28 | *you
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| 12:28 | <ogra> i have no access to any of ltsp.org :)
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| 12:28 | jammcq, owns it
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| 14:40 | <haasd> on rhel5 and ltsp4. For some reason whenever an x session starts on one of the thinclients the console gets logged off saying that display :0 is already in use. Any ideas on what I might need to change?
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| 14:40 | actually ltsp 4.2
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| 15:57 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: updated my tree to /var/run/ldm.
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| 15:58 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: thanks :)
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| 16:05 | <vagrantc> hrm. well, i got a sparc machine to network boot as far as load and start the kernel and initramfs ... but then ipconfig doesn't seem to work on sparc, so it dies in the initramfs
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| 16:08 | <Gadi> hey, guys
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| 16:09 | so, my random qu for the day is: does a tftp put to an LTSP server work or fail - and what can restrict it?
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| 16:14 | * vagrantc sees no need to use tftp put in a typical LTSP environment | |
| 16:14 | <Gadi> nice- premission denied
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| 16:15 | * Gadi is concerned about security | |
| 16:15 | * Gadi wants to make sure no one can, say, tftp put a kernel of their own | |
| 16:15 | <Gadi> or an lts.conf for that matter
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| 16:15 | but, apparently, on my system they cannot
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| 16:15 | which is excellent
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| 16:16 | <vagrantc> i wonder if it's just ipconfig that's broken on sparc, or if it's something more ...
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| 16:18 | <ogra> vagrantc, i think d-i on uubntu sparc works fie
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| 16:18 | fine
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| 16:18 | <ogra> that shoul use ipcofig
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| 16:18 | *should
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| 16:19 | <vagrantc> d-i in debian definitely uses dhcp3-client
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| 16:19 | <ogra> hmm
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| 16:19 | right
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| 16:19 | from an udeb ...
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| 17:14 | <dberkholz> ogra: i don't really know anything about ltsp 4.x even on gentoo, someone else maintains it
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| 17:15 | <ogra> yeah, it wasnt clear he's doing 4.2 ... he said gentoo, i answered dberkholz :)
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| 17:15 | sorry for that :)
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| 17:25 | * vagrantc wonders if it's really ipconfig that's the problem | |
| 17:26 | <ogra> do you have a working NIC in initramfs at all ?
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| 17:26 | checked the modules ?
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| 17:26 | it could as well be udev not loading the right stuff
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| 17:32 | <vagrantc> it spits out: eth0: HAPPY MEAL (PCI/CheerIO) 10/100BaseT Ethernet 08:00:20:c0:68:9a
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| 17:33 | so i'm guessing it's recognized the ethernet
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| 17:33 | i'm trying a different machine, just to see if it's something specific to that other one
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| 17:33 | (actually netbooting the server used to create the chroot image :)
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| 17:34 | one's an ultra10, the other's a enterprise420r
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| 17:35 | <ogra> noisy around you i bet
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| 17:35 | <vagrantc> same problem.
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| 17:35 | <ogra> hmm
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| 17:36 | can you manually set up the ip data ?
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| 17:36 | <vagrantc> ogra: good idea!
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| 17:37 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "sparc64 fails to boot ..." (20 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/322
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| 17:37 | <ogra> Begin: Running /scripts/Unimplemented SPARC system call 97
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| 17:37 | ????
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| 17:37 | whats that ?
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| 17:37 | <vagrantc> no idea
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| 17:37 | <ogra> looks broken
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| 17:37 | <vagrantc> but it happens on both
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| 17:38 | <ogra> that really smells like kernel
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| 17:38 | <vagrantc> but the timing of it is right about where ipconfig runs ... and then later you get those ipconfig errors
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| 17:40 | <ltsppbot> Someone pasted "sys_sparc.c snippet" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/323
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| 17:40 | <ogra> see that
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| 17:40 | <vagrantc> hmmm .... http://osdir.com/ml/lib.uclibc.general/2004-03/msg00118.html
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| 17:40 | <ogra> Don't make the system unusable, if someone goes stuck
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| 17:40 | :)
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| 17:41 | <vagrantc> heh.
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| 17:42 | ogra: you think it's more likely kernel than ipconfig
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| 17:42 | ?
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| 17:42 | <ogra> i dont have any clue about sparc ... not sure how deep ipconfig could reach into the kernel to make it get stuck
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| 17:43 | that couldnt happen on x86
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| 17:43 | the message is definately kernel
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| 17:44 | th etrigger must not be kernel though
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| 17:45 | <vagrantc> yeah, the e420r boots fine using initramfs otherwise ... just network boot causing troubles.
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| 17:45 | oh! i should try with etch ...
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| 17:47 | <ogra> boot with break=top or so
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| 17:48 | and try to manage the boot manually so you get an impression when it goes wrong
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| 17:49 | <vagrantc> that's an option to pass to initramfs-tools ?
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| 17:49 | * vagrantc wonders how to pass boot options on sparc | |
| 17:50 | <ogra> yeah its a boot parameter
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| 17:50 | top stops before the -top scripts are executed
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| 17:50 | "bootom" for the -bottom scripts
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| 17:50 | and premount for the stuff ater that
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| 17:51 | *after
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| 17:51 | break=top will make it stop before nfsroot is exectuted
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| 17:51 | so you can perform the steps manually
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| 17:53 | <vagrantc> hmmm... i should switch it back to the ultra10 ... this takes a while to be
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| 17:54 | er, boot
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| 17:55 | good thing is, i found a bug in the update-kernels script ...
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| 17:55 | which is 90% of what i was trying to do with booting sparc and powerpc
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| 17:57 | <ogra> cool
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| 18:01 | <vagrantc> ogra: ok ... so that worked nicely.
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| 18:02 | <ogra> manual ipconfig ?
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| 18:02 | <vagrantc> ogra: i ran "modprobe sunhme", it detected the network cards, then i ran "ipconfig eth0" and we got "Unimplemented SPARC system call 97" followed by the ipconfig messages in in the boot log i posted before
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| 18:03 | so now i know it's definitely ipconfig triggering the issue
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| 18:03 | haven't tried manual configuration yet ...
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| 18:04 | <ogra> i meant "ipconfig eth0" actually
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| 18:04 | :)
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| 18:04 | nfsroot is loading some modules ...
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| 18:05 | <vagrantc> i'm going to try specifying ip= on the boot prompt
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| 18:05 | <ogra> af_packet ?
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| 18:05 | try if that fixes it
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| 18:05 | <vagrantc> so that we can skip dhcp and see if it boots fine otherwise
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| 18:05 | ah, load af_packet ... maybe
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| 18:06 | <ogra> yeah
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| 18:06 | thats what mountroot() does in the nfs script
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| 18:10 | <vagrantc> maybe loading af_packet will cause the kernel panic
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| 18:10 | * vagrantc waits patiently | |
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| 18:10 | <vagrantc> downloading the nbi.img for sparc takes forever ... it's like 7-8MB ... and takes a long time for reasons i don't really know
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| 18:11 | <luisgrin> hola Ariel_Calzada aca podes hablar
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| 18:11 | <Ariel_Calzada> luisgrin: yes sir
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| 18:11 | luisgrin: :-)
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| 18:11 | <vagrantc> doesn't appear to be an af_packet module in the initramfs ...
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| 18:13 | <Ariel_Calzada> hi anyone can help with hewlet packard thin clients for booting directly from server
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| 18:13 | <vagrantc> Ariel_Calzada: which linux distro?
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| 18:13 | <luisgrin> someone told me that i need 512 mb of ram in the server for each terminal i have connected t omy server
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| 18:13 | <Ariel_Calzada> let me see
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| 18:13 | <vagrantc> ogra: i can't seem to find an af_packet module anywhere
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| 18:14 | luisgrin: almost certainly not
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| 18:14 | !serversizing
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| 18:14 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: Error: "serversizing" is not a valid command.
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| 18:14 | <ogra> hmm weird
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| 18:14 | <vagrantc> !serversize
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| 18:14 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "serversize" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing
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| 18:14 | <vagrantc> luisgrin: check that out
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| 18:14 | <ogra> luisgrin, for ltsp5 thats 128M per logged in user
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| 18:14 | <luisgrin> !serversizing
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| 18:15 | <ltspbot`> luisgrin: Error: "serversizing" is not a valid command.
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| 18:15 | <ogra> with a decent desktop
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| 18:15 | <luisgrin> !serversize
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| 18:15 | <ltspbot`> luisgrin: "serversize" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing
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| 18:15 | <ogra> i.e. gnome or kde
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| 18:16 | <luisgrin> the reminal maybe pII 400 128 mb or 64, i only want to run a browse in this terminal, i dont care about the server bcoz memory id cheap
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| 18:16 | but i need to connect about 100 terminals
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| 18:19 | <Ariel_Calzada> vagrantc: NeoLinux is the distro
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| 18:23 | <luisgrin> cuantas term hay conectadas y cuanta memoria tiene el server?
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| 18:51 | <Dan_Maran> Is anyone else having trouble posting to the list from Gmail?
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| 18:54 | <Dan_Maran> Is anyone even in here?
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| 19:10 | <lns> Can anyone tell me where the default alsa configuration file is kept for all LTSP clients?
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| 19:11 | <vagrantc> usually it's auto-configured client-side
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| 19:11 | server-side, look for /etc/asound.conf
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| 21:02 | <jammcq> hello friends
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| 21:02 | * vagrantc reports that network booting for sparc sort of works ... but hangs in the initramfs | |
| 21:02 | <jammcq> wow
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| 22:09 | <Dargus_> Is there anyone here who might be able to help with Local Apps using LTSP?
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| 22:10 | specifically, I'm having trouble getting users a passwordless connection to the client machines :(
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| 22:11 | <vagrantc> yes, that's rather tricky.
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| 22:12 | <Dargus_> I have root working, but the users can't get in
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| 22:12 | <vagrantc> Dargus_: have you created users in the chroot environment ?
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| 22:13 | have you set up mounting of home directories ?
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| 22:13 | <Dargus_> Sorry, was called away for a minute
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| 22:13 | Yes, I've got mounted home directories.
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| 22:13 | <vagrantc> how are you authenticating ?
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| 22:13 | <Dargus_> What do you mean by "chroot environment"?
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| 22:13 | <vagrantc> /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 22:14 | Dargus_: which linux distro ?
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| 22:14 | <Dargus_> Supposedly NIS is authenticating
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| 22:14 | Ah, Fedora 6
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| 22:14 | <vagrantc> so ltsp 4.2, then?
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| 22:14 | <Dargus_> Yes
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| 22:15 | the installation is /opt/ltsp/i386, and I'm *supposedly* authenticating against NIS, but I can't get ypcat or ypwhich to run on the client's shell
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| 22:16 | <vagrantc> !localapps
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| 22:16 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: Error: "localapps" is not a valid command.
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| 22:16 | <Dargus_> the only thing I can get to run is ypbind, and that's not giving me any feedback, either.
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| 22:16 | <vagrantc> ltspbot`: search --values
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| 22:16 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: There were no matching configuration variables.
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| 22:16 | <vagrantc> !topic
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| 22:16 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: Error: "topic" is not a valid command.
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| 22:16 | <vagrantc> !topics
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| 22:16 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "topics" is To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 22:17 | <vagrantc> ltspbot`: factoids search --values
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| 22:17 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', (1 more message)
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| 22:17 | <vagrantc> Dargus_: have you looked on wiki.ltsp.org for documentation on how to set up local apps ?
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| 22:17 | <Dargus_> Yes
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| 22:18 | Been perusing those for the last two weeks
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| 22:18 | I only just now got IRC running (didn't know how to use it)
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| 22:18 | !localdef
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| 22:18 | <ltspbot`> Dargus_: Error: "localdef" is not a valid command.
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| 22:18 | <Dargus_> !localdev
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| 22:18 | <ltspbot`> Dargus_: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs, or (#4) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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| 22:19 | <Dargus_> !sound
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| 22:19 | <ltspbot`> Dargus_: "sound" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
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| 22:19 | <Dargus_> *sigh* that bot's not gonna give me anything I haven't seen already
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| 22:20 | I suppose it would be a huge security risk to have all my users run the specific app as root, huh?
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| 22:20 | <vagrantc> likely difficult to implement, even.
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| 22:21 | <Dargus_> Well, like I said, I got ssh'd into it with Root, using both the # ssh ws100 and $ ssh root@ws100
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| 22:21 | <vagrantc> i haven't really worked with localapps in ltsp 4.2 ...
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| 22:22 | <Dargus_> Eh, I would have given up long ago if it wasn't for a class project :(
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| 22:22 | * vagrantc has even less experience with redhat and freinds | |
| 22:23 | <Dargus_> What distro do you run, Vagrant?
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| 22:23 | <vagrantc> i work on LTSP in debian :)
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| 22:24 | <Dargus_> Heh, I'm running debian on the machine I'm on now. laptop aside the FC6 server I'm working on. My classmates all are debian fanatics
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| 22:24 | I *was* a fedora fanatic until I started using it for projects.
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| 22:25 | * vagrantc tries to put fanaticism aside | |
| 22:25 | <Dargus_> hehe, it happens at times
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| 22:25 | <vagrantc> though the occasional joking slight isn't beyond me :)
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| 22:26 | <Dargus_> OK, what's the command to show the users in the room?
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| 22:26 | * Dargus_ is an IRC n00b | |
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| 22:28 | <Dargus_> Thanks Vagrant, for your help
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