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01:43 | <Capricorn^80> hiye
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01:43 | need some help regarding mounting of usb drives
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04:32 | <yemu> hi, im using ubuntu dapper with ltsp and i was wondering if it's possible to lock terminals to specific users; i.e from terminal A only user A can log in, from terminal B only user B?
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04:34 | i use my installation as a small kiosk, so i have users like: terminal1, terminal2, people using terminals are told to login into terminal 1 as user terminal1 but sometimes they don't :-) and they log as terminal1 to both terminal 1 and 2, and for example when one of them starts oowriter it shows up on the other's screen
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04:40 | <pipedream> ldap?
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04:43 | <ogra> yemu, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/WritingLTSP5Plugins
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04:44 | err, sorry https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowtoWriteLTSP5Plugins
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04:44 | that will give you a kiosk mode with autologin
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04:45 | <yemu> thanks, i'll try that (in near future :-), because now i can't risk destroying my production server
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04:47 | <ogra> you can just copy /opt/ltsp/i386 to /opt/ltsp/i386-kiosk and do the stuff described in the howto manually as well ;)
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04:47 | <yemu> and now i'm using ltsp 4, so probably i'll upgrady to edgy and install ltsp5
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04:47 | <ogra> oh207, right, ltsp4 is different
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04:47 | oops
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04:47 | oh ...
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04:58 | <pipedream> we're just starting to install ltsp5 on dapper, in order to set up a fat diskless system like above, so install ldap-client and all the apps as well
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04:58 | and nfs mount stuff
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05:19 | <cliebow> ogra: no reason you cant run 4 and 5 side by side is there?
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05:23 | <ogra> cliebow, they use different tftp locations and different kernels ..., if you manage to keep these distinct it should work ... but its usually not recommended for joe averageuser
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05:25 | <cliebow> i thought so..but the ssh tunnel bothered me
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05:26 | <pipedream> with the fat diskless that will no longer run. just like that plugin for the kiosk. not ldm, but gdm
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05:26 | <ogra> pipedream, ??
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05:34 | <pipedream> hi
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05:34 | the kiosk plugin basically does apt-get install gdm firefox, and then some config files, right
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05:34 | and then it has local authentication, not ldm -> ltsp server
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05:34 | that local auth could be ldap or nis itself pointing back at the same or another server
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05:35 | <ogra> thats what we'll do for th fat clients
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05:36 | for a kiosk mode you want /home to be wiped out running gdm and firefox locally with /home in a tmpfs is the easiest way t achieve that
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05:37 | gdm is only used for respawning firefox here ...
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05:37 | <pipedream> oh
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05:38 | Ja, we want to do fat clients
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05:38 | <ogra> i got it running here already, will be in my next ltsp package upload
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05:38 | (end of the week or so)
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05:42 | <pipedream> cool
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05:45 | <ogra> the ldap integration bits are missing yet though
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05:45 | but they'll hit the distro during feisty development
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05:47 | <pipedream> you just install ldap-client right
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05:48 | doesn't sound too hard
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05:48 | but we'll probably backport to dapper for a while
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05:48 | would be nice if those were available somewhere
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05:48 | dapper runnign ltsp5 serving an image of ubuntu-latest-stable
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05:49 | <ogra> hard to do, i'm still fiddling with it
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05:49 | in edgy the localdevice stuff wass very deeply integrated
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05:50 | i have to find a way to either disable it or backport it as well, but the packages are in universe, so ltsp-build-client would break
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05:50 | (ltsp-build-client only works with main packages)
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05:52 | <cliebow> ogra:is there an update fix for the libnss-ldap bug.... forever login..i did the kludge and made it work
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08:01 | <mzilikazi> following the instructions for LDAP on Debian on this page: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LDAP#Installing_the_slapd_package
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08:01 | ldapadd -x -D "cn=admin,dc=ltsp,dc=org" -f people_group.ldif -W
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08:01 | Enter LDAP Password:
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08:01 | ldapadd: no DN specified
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08:02 | what does no DN specified mean?
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08:02 | new to ldap btw
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08:02 | THis works -> ldapsearch -x -b 'dc=ltsp,dc=org' '(objectclass=*)'
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08:02 | output-> http://paste.debian.net/17780
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08:11 | <cliebow_> dont you want to slapadd?
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08:13 | <mzilikazi> hmm well slapadd is there but apparently uses a different syntax - I was just following what the docs say :)
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08:15 | <cliebow_> guess i should look at the docs before i shoot my mouth off
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08:16 | <cliebow_> are you setting up the server side then?
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08:16 | <mzilikazi> yep
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08:17 | <cliebow_> and you are migrating a database?
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08:17 | <mzilikazi> the .ldif i created has 2 entried for dn - is it just a nater of feeding the right info to ldapadd?
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08:17 | new database
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08:17 | s/nater/matter
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08:20 | <cliebow_> what distro.ive forund the first record seems a little different between ubuntu and redhat
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08:20 | <mzilikazi> debian
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08:25 | <cliebow_> i can trying to think how o can get you something..maybe ill pastebot in a few
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08:26 | <mzilikazi> thanks for the help :)
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08:27 | <cliebow_> sure!
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08:44 | <cliebow_> mzilikazi
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08:45 | <mzilikazi> yes?
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08:45 | <cliebow_> mzilikazi:sorry waiting for pastebin
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08:45 | wanna post your ldif? to pastebin.com
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08:45 | <mzilikazi> sure
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08:46 | http://paste.debian.net/17786
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08:46 | <cliebow_> cause the Gadmwister is handy thhere too
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08:49 | i dont see any top dn
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08:49 | <mzilikazi> what would a top dn look like?
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08:49 | what is the syntax?
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08:49 | sorry - very new to ldap
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08:50 | <cliebow_> 17788 is my top
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08:51 | <mzilikazi> so it is like this then?
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08:51 | dn: 17788
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08:52 | perhaps I could see your .ldif?
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08:53 | <cliebow_> 17789..hope you can read between the lines
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08:54 | so that is like the top skeleton
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08:56 | it comes out like 17791
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09:02 | <mzilikazi> well thanks for your help - must run to work now
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09:33 | <efra> Hi everybody
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09:39 | <cliebow_> hey!
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10:37 | <Envite> Hola a todos desde España
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10:37 | Hello all from Spain
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11:00 | <slipttees> hello
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11:00 | jammcq:
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11:00 | jammcq: ping
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11:01 | somebody?
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11:03 | <slipttees> | |
11:03 | I am testing the LTSP5 in ubuntu6.10 edgy, but I am finding you vary installation difficulties!
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11:03 | example
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11:05 | I install ltsp5 sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone, later I execute $ sudo ltsp-build-client, I would like to know as I configure lts.conf. . to adjust the video of the workstations?
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11:05 | ???
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11:15 | <cliebow_> slipttees: i dont thyink it builds an lts.conf..but you can toss one in there
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11:16 | <slipttees> Where?
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11:17 | /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ ?
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11:21 | <cliebow_> yeah'
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11:30 | <slipttees> Mac address?
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11:31 | host name?
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11:31 | Ip?
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13:51 | <bip> hello im tryin to follow this howto:
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13:52 | http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/HOWTO:_Convert_Ubuntu_to_Diskless
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13:53 | it tells how to setup a dhcp tftp serevr so that it can boot a diskles ubuntu terminal server ...
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13:53 | <bip> now i have reached this line:
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13:53 | sudo cp -Rp /etc/mkinitramfs /etc/mkinitramfs-pxe
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13:54 | but doesnt work, well there is no /etc/mkinitramf dir at all i wonder if i m doing something wrong or if that howto make some assumption i dont understand
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13:55 | is some ubuntu power user and/or developer is around some help will be apppreciated :)
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13:55 | <vagrantc> that howto seems braindead.
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13:55 | <bip> ah thanx vagrantc
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13:56 | so at least it s not my fault :)
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13:56 | i have been goin crazy with that for a coupla days
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13:56 | <vagrantc> i would just install ltsp-server, run ltsp-build-client, and then: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
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13:56 | <bip> it s reassuring to be told is not just me bein dumb vagrantc ;-)
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13:56 | wait wait
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13:56 | <mz_work> well i just got ltsp set up on Debian for the first time - all by reading the docs on http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WebHome
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13:56 | <bip> im not tryn to perform aplain ubuntu ltsp install vagrantc
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13:57 | <jammcq> they probably forgot to tell you to create that directory first
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13:57 | <bip> that howto is a èart of a larger set of howtos
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13:57 | <vagrantc> bip: what are you trying to do?
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13:57 | <bip> telling how to do a slightly non standard setup
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13:57 | i ll try to explain
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13:57 | but i post u the main page of the project
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13:58 | <bip> so u can have a look yourself vagrantc jammcq
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13:58 | ok ?
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13:58 | :)
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13:58 | <vagrantc> sure
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13:58 | <bip> http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/%E3%81%BF%E3%82%8B_directory_server
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13:59 | ok the idea is that
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13:59 | is to install a ltsp bmachien along with a directory server and a nas
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13:59 | if i have understood ythe documentation well
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14:00 | the ltsp srevr it self is diskless and receives its fs and boot file form the nas machine(file server) while the miru directory server runs the relevant dhcp and tftp daemons ok ?
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14:01 | <vagrantc> ok.
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14:01 | <bip> so basically it s ltsp deployement in which
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14:01 | authentication terminal serving and nfs esportingf r done b 3separate machines ok
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14:01 | <vagrantc> i would just install ltsp-server, run ltsp-build-client, and then: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install ltsp-server
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14:01 | <bip> and the ltsp server itself it s diskless as far as ii can understand ?
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14:01 | <vagrantc> :)
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14:02 | i've thought about implementing that sort of setup many times.
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14:02 | <bip> but where ?
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14:02 | the server machine should be diiskless
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14:02 | so basically those things should be served by the directory and file server
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14:02 | <vagrantc> well, install to a temporary machine, build the ltsp environment, and copy the ltsp environment to your ltsp server's NFS server.
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14:03 | <bip> yeah i m workin at the temporary machine right now
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14:03 | that howto i was quoting was about that
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14:03 | maybe they just forhot aline as jammcq said
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14:03 | <vagrantc> yeah, but it reimplemented a lot of work.
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14:03 | <bip> i ll try that
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14:03 | <vagrantc> a lot of work we've already done with ltsp
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14:04 | <bip> wel wait if u check the second url that i pasted
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14:04 | <vagrantc> i did...
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14:04 | <bip> u can find a link to a mue cow howto
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14:04 | <vagrantc> !quickstart
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14:04 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: "quickstart" is not a valid command.
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14:04 | <vagrantc> !ubuntuquick
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14:04 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ubuntuquick" is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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14:04 | <bip> i think it s a bit messy
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14:04 | yeah i know those docs ...
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14:05 | i was juyst tryint to follow that howto
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14:05 | <vagrantc> you'll have to do some weird things to make the ltsp client an ltsp server, but not that difficult.
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14:05 | <bip> if it s wrong maybe the author should be told so
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14:06 | u know i like the idea of keepin terminal servin siorage and authentication separated
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14:06 | if i keep em as separate blocks becomes easier for me to manage em
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14:06 | <vagrantc> it's not wrong, it's just a a really complex way to re-invent the wheel.
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14:06 | <bip> maybe i m wrong
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14:06 | what wheel ?
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14:06 | sory if i sound extra dumb ...
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14:06 | <vagrantc> well, it's essentially implementing an ltsp server in a NFS root environment, no?
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14:06 | <bip> i have been missing some sleep lately ;-)
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14:07 | <vagrantc> what's a well supported NFS root environment?
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14:07 | LTSP :)
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14:07 | <bip> yeah but the nfs servin is done by the nas
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14:07 | and the ltsp machine itself it s diskless
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14:07 | <vagrantc> and how does that really change anything?
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14:07 | <bip> and the authentication is carried by a separated machine that does dhcp and tftp too
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14:08 | it shouldn t
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14:08 | <vagrantc> so, it's implementing an Ubuntu NFS root environment?
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14:08 | <bip> that s why i dont understand why it doesnt work like it should
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14:08 | well
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14:08 | wait
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14:08 | the machine serving the terminals is ubuntu
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14:08 | but the file server is FreeBSD based
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14:09 | but if nfs is a plain ol unix standard
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14:09 | that shouldn t be a problem i think vagrantc
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14:10 | <bip> no it doesn t ...
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14:11 | but i wanted to replicate it before thinkin about improving it
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14:12 | <jammcq> vagrantc: maybe this is Novell/Suse's answer to thin clients :)
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14:12 | <vagrantc> this seems like such a convoluted setup, but i don't understand what the goals really are.
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14:12 | jammcq: yes, they seem a little slow on the draw.
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14:13 | <jammcq> heh, ya think?
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14:13 | <vagrantc> bip: what do you *want* ?
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14:13 | bip: or, what about this model looks good to you?
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14:13 | <bip> well i want have 3 separated bserver but just a single set of disk
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14:13 | and full active directory iintegratio as that model semms to promise
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14:14 | not sure it delivers
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14:14 | <vagrantc> well, i'm not at all knowledgeable about active directory, but i know how to put all your disks in one place.
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14:14 | <bip> apparently they that that directory server can totally replace a ms windows domain controller
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14:14 | i know that is only a part of the problem
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14:15 | i was attracted by the whole package
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14:15 | and u know what i found amusing ?
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14:15 | was novel using bsd and ubuntu to get that done ;-)
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14:15 | * vagrantc found that a little strange, yes. | |
14:15 | <bip> isn t amusing they don use suse to do that ? ;-)
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14:15 | <jammcq> it's called "leveraging" :)
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14:15 | <bip> i have a weird sense of humor actually ;-)
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14:16 | like when i give the finger ...
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14:16 | and say leverage that jammcq = ;-)
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14:16 | <vagrantc> in this model, are there both thin clients and ... fat diskless clients?
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14:17 | <bip> yest if the drawing isn t lying
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14:17 | there should be both vagrantc
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14:17 | i think there is a bit of marketing hype in it
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14:17 | the documents appear very well done
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14:17 | but there s some stuff missing
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14:17 | <vagrantc> yeah, it sure is purty.
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14:17 | <bip> maybe we should reverse leverage em jammcq ;-)
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14:18 | <vagrantc> why do people who make purty things that don't work make money?
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14:18 | <bip> i beg your pardon
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14:18 | what means purdy ?
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14:18 | i m still a furner ..
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14:18 | i can say funky things like givin da finger ...
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14:19 | and still ignore what purty means ;-)
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14:19 | <vagrantc> bip: it's a heavily accented pronunciation of "pretty"
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14:19 | <bip> ah ok
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14:19 | it looks well
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14:19 | but doesnt deliver
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14:19 | then lets setal em da toy
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14:19 | let s make it pretty and working as well ;-)
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14:19 | oops
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14:19 | sorry
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14:20 | then lets *steal*l em da toy
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14:20 | then lets *steal* em da toy
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14:20 | let s make it pretty and working as well ;-)
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14:20 | :)
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14:20 | * vagrantc has to go do stupid things that make money. | |
14:20 | <bip> not now ...
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14:20 | but ...
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14:20 | i m working on this
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14:20 | i hace steup a virtual replica of that solution
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14:21 | and i want to get it working
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14:21 | then figure how to do it better ...
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14:21 | and give novell the finger it deserves ;-)
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14:22 | oh sorry ...
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14:22 | <vagrantc> i'd just skip the freebsd part, use debian or ubuntu, and use the ltsp-server software to build all the NFS environments.
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14:22 | <bip> oh well those bsd appliances r the nicest part of it
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14:22 | have u ever checked something called m0n0wall ?
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14:23 | the first thing i wanna get rid of is the ubuntu part and use plain ol debian instead
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14:23 | then i want to see if the bsd part can be replicated with debian too
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14:23 | well i might be wrong
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14:23 | <vagrantc> never heard of m0n0wall, no.
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14:23 | <bip> but there is something good in their idea
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14:24 | ok m0n0wall is a bsd based firwall
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14:24 | designed to run from ol recycled pc
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14:24 | or tiny embedded devices
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14:24 | it s almolt all gui driven
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14:24 | and u set it upo in 5 minutes
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14:24 | <vagrantc> i would think the time spent trying to replicate their strange ideas woudl be better spent doing it a more consistant way.
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14:25 | <bip> and leave it wait wait
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14:25 | m0n0wall is a real c00l lil thing
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14:25 | i have used it often
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14:25 | basically their directory server and NAS r m0n0wall soin oofs
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14:25 | the use the same interface and write configs into xml files
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14:26 | consistency in interface is a good thing
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14:26 | if the model u start from is a good one
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14:26 | but of courese i could be more or less wrong
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14:26 | course
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14:26 | * vagrantc seeks work | |
14:26 | <bip> probably more ;-)
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14:27 | me too
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14:27 | my ltsp project got aguge set back :(
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14:27 | s/aguge/huge
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14:27 | basically hour ...
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14:27 | lemme see
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14:28 | we had a political guardain angel ...
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14:28 | if tha makes any sense in english
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14:28 | anyhow she was elected to a more important position
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14:28 | and suddenly the funding disappeared ;(
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14:29 | and i m makin a very long story super duper short vagrantc
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14:29 | <vagrantc> yeah, i was wondering how that was going ...
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14:30 | <bip> ok
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14:30 | well its back to square one where i was ine year ago
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14:30 | i have written
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14:30 | tried
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14:30 | chatted
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14:30 | experimented and learned
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14:30 | but i didn have the moneyt or a place to run it a year ago
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14:30 | <vagrantc> bip: is this is the project for computers in cuba?
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14:31 | <bip> and i dont have it now :(
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14:31 | well that was the original idea ...
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14:31 | one sec ...
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14:32 | well no they backed off that 2 summers ago ...
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14:32 | we got a more local proposal
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14:33 | <bip> there was a elementary school and a public libray willing to act as guinea pigs
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14:33 | in a lil town out of rome
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14:33 | we had an agreement for funding of thi lil projext in the last spring ....
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14:34 | then we had elections
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14:34 | and now i am where i am vagrantc :(
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14:34 | a bit pissed i might add ?
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14:34 | so im rethinkin the project to start using it with some private clients of myself
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14:35 | but those r little businees with requremente s that r slightly differnet from schools or public libraries ...
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14:36 | ok dinner time here, wife back home
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14:36 | talk to u later vagrantc
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14:37 | nice to talk with ya as usual :)
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14:43 | <vagrantc> bip: yeah :)
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15:21 | <knitoperu> Hi to everybody!
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15:21 | I have a "Philosophical question"
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15:22 | I have a k12ltsp server
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15:22 | I have some users that need to use graphical applications, and I want to give them a good resolution and fast answer
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15:23 | I need oversized video cards in server, in workstations or in both?
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15:23 | <knitoperu> Who gives the video power? Server's video card, workstation's video cardss or both?
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15:25 | <vagrantc> knitoperu: in workstations.
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15:26 | jammcq: any idea how to get the video card in that little thin-client to eat less of the system memory? it seems to be grabbing 32 out of 128 available ... i'd rather have a little more system memory...
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15:26 | tried looking in the bios, but didn't see anything obvious
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15:28 | <knitoperu> If I have a 16 Mb video card in server and a 256 Mn video card in workstation, I would have more pixeles in workstation session that in server's session?
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15:40 | <jammcq> knitoperu: well, you could, depending on the monitor and other factors
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15:40 | just keep in mind, the X configuration on the client is completely independent of any X configuration on the server
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15:41 | vagrantc: umm, I'm not at the office right now. I'll be there tomorrow, and I can look at the video config
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15:41 | <knitoperu> Then, that's a thing to have a non so thin client!
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15:42 | <vagrantc> jammcq: cool. thanks :)
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15:42 | * vagrantc is still waiting for a monitor | |
15:45 | <knitoperu> Thankyou jammcq
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15:46 | <vagrantc> knitoperu: i will likely be working with not-so-thin clients in the near future.
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15:47 | soon as i get a monitor, mouse and keyboard for this thing ... got some offers from the local linux user's group.
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15:47 | * vagrantc is impatient | |
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18:46 | <bip> vagrantc, r u still around ?
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18:47 | <vagrantc> bip: sure
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18:47 | <bip> :)
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18:47 | ok i m sorry i cut it short ...
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18:47 | but we live in different time zones ...
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18:47 | * vagrantc is experiencing really itchy and swollen toes from a suspected spider bite | |
18:48 | <bip> ouch
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18:48 | sorry to hear that
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18:48 | sounds painful ...
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18:48 | is it very swollen ?
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18:48 | <vagrantc> noticeably.
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18:48 | <bip> ouch ...
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18:49 | i had a similar experience with ...
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18:49 | <vagrantc> the itching is really what's getting to me ...
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18:49 | <bip> hairy worms
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18:49 | i dont know what they r called in english
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18:49 | but i scratched myself to death :(
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18:49 | <jammcq> harry worms ? I know that guy
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18:49 | <bip> no harry
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18:49 | hairy
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18:49 | <jammcq> heh
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18:49 | <bip> lil cretaures with hairs
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18:50 | <jammcq> centipede ?
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18:50 | <bip> sortt of
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18:50 | they crawl in lines ...
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18:50 | * vagrantc has stumbled across mention of such worms in recent searches on insect bites | |
18:50 | <bip> hold on
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18:50 | <jammcq> makes me pull my feet up onto my chair
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18:50 | <bip> i find the exact translation
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18:51 | but lets give some first aid to the poor vagrantc first ;-)
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18:51 | do u have any forgive the wrong spelling
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18:51 | anthistaminic cream or pill ?
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18:51 | those against allergies
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18:52 | i had to use those when i had my encounter with hairy worms
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18:52 | well i was camping
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18:52 | <vagrantc> i probably should start with washing my feet...
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18:52 | <bip> so i had to go back to a civilized place first
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18:52 | yes
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18:52 | cold water
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18:52 | and use ice
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18:52 | <jammcq> some benidrill cream would help
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18:52 | <bip> yup
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18:53 | benidrill sounds like the stuff i m talkin about vagrantc
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18:53 | but if u have extensive itching a pil might be better ...
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18:53 | sorry if we r playing doctor with your toe vagrantc ;-)
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18:54 | anyhow ...
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18:54 | my ltsp project is exxperiencing some *political* problems ...
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18:55 | but i have spent too much time working and dreamin about it to let it drop ...
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18:55 | so i want to redesign it and get it goin while i better figure the funding issue
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18:56 | there r some idead in that novell think that might be worth consideration ?
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18:56 | or i m just bein deceived by marketing snake oil jammcq & vagrantc ?
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18:57 | <vagrantc> LTSP channel, source of all your first aid advice!
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18:58 | <bip> :)
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18:58 | is your toe feeling better vagrantc ?
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18:58 | i still dream of bringin u jammcq and finnarene here in rome
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18:58 | for a great first italian ltsp conference
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18:59 | but i rally suck at the olitics involved in all that :(
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18:59 | well
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18:59 | i suck at typing too ;-)
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19:13 | <vagrantc> wow. washing has helped considerably... at least for the moment.
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19:13 | bip: i though finnarne was doing some home-brewed non-ltsp/non-lessdisks thing these days
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19:13 | <bip> he might ...
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19:14 | i ahvent been chatting much withj him
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19:14 | i dont even think i had a chat to explain him what is goin on here exactly
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19:14 | and i feel sorry
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19:14 | becauise he has been tremendously helpful to me
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19:15 | and i m afradi i might think i kept going w/out pulling him him
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19:15 | but the turth is the everything stopped in such an italian manner :(
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19:16 | that is didn dare to tel him, fearin he couldnt belive how things r going here :(
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19:16 | well water is magic vagrantc ;-)
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20:41 | <PMantis> Anyone know how to make the "case" statement in a bash shell script case insensitive?
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20:41 | Or, convery a variable to all lower case?
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20:41 | errr convert^
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20:49 | <vagrantc> PMantis: the variable, or the variable name?
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20:49 | PMantis: er, value or name?
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20:49 | PMantis: and which part of the case statement?
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20:49 | <PMantis> Value... I found this w/ google: | awk '{print tolower($0)}'
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20:50 | <vagrantc> tr 'A-Z' 'a-z'
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20:50 | would also work
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