IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 9 December 2015 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:20 | <alkisg> !pass
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| 06:20 | <ltsp`> I do not know about 'pass', but I do know about these similar topics: 'fat-passwd', 'bypass_acceleration', 'ROOT_PASSWORD_HASH', 'LDM_PASSWORD_HASH'
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| 06:20 | <alkisg> !ROOT_PASSWORD_HASH
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| 06:20 | <ltsp`> ROOT_PASSWORD_HASH: to be able to login as root in vt1, with password "qwer1234", put this in lts.conf: INIT_COMMAND_01="sed 's!^root:[^:]*:!root:$6$p2LdWE6j$PDd1TUzGvvIkj9SE8wbw1gA/MD66tHHlStqi1.qyv860oK47UnKcafSKqGp7cbgZUPlgyPv6giCVyCSCdJt1b0:!' -i /etc/shadow"
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| 07:48 | <highvoltage> I hear Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie are making the LTSP film. I wonder who's playing Jim and who's playing Scott.
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| 07:48 | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-35047735#sa-ns_mchannel%3Drss%26ns_source%3DPublicRSS20-sa
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| 07:49 | (except that BBC seems to think "By the Sea" is about marriage not ltsp, bah)
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| 07:49 | <alkisg> Haha
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| 07:49 | <gehidore> heheh
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| 17:05 | <sbalneav> If Jonah Hill grew a moustach, he could probably play me.
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| 17:31 | <m3741> what's up chan? is there a preferred method of forcibly rebooting a thin client?
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| 17:35 | <work_alkisg> Hi, in which case? Forcibly as in reboot -fp?
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| 17:47 | <m3741> sorry, by forcibly i meant not via automatic means. i issue a command and it reboots type of thing
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| 17:47 | vice asking a user to do it
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| 18:44 | <alkisg> m3741: what's wrong with using the menus for reboot and shutdown?
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| 18:57 | <xdrazen> HI!
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| 18:57 | <alkisg> Hello
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| 18:57 | <xdrazen> how are you?
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| 18:57 | i need help. PLS!
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| 18:57 | <alkisg> !ask
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| 18:57 | <ltsp`> ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 18:57 | <xdrazen> i am stuck with ltsp
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| 18:57 | i tried to use it with edubuntu
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| 18:58 | but the client (a pentium 2) just have a black screen and anything else happen
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| 18:58 | <alkisg> Do other clients work?
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| 18:58 | <xdrazen> i tried to boot from a i3 pc and a i3 laptop, it was sucessfully
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| 18:59 | as i said, some "i3" works
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| 18:59 | <alkisg> How much RAM does the p2 have, and what graphics card?
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| 18:59 | <xdrazen> about that p2, it has kinda 96mb ram
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| 19:00 | i tried to boot it with "puppy linux" and that worked
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| 19:00 | <alkisg> It's too low, 128 mb is the minimum and it's barely usable then
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| 19:00 | <xdrazen> mmm, i need to explain a bit
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| 19:00 | <alkisg> Which graphics card, which edubuntu version (e.g. 14.04), and which desktop environment (e.g. unity)?
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| 19:00 | <xdrazen> i have 9 pc pentium pro and p2
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| 19:01 | some of them has the 128mb that it is needed
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| 19:01 | edubuntu 14.04.3 lts gnome
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| 19:02 | the "server" right now is an hp laptop. AMD e1 processor.
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| 19:02 | <alkisg> Which graphics card do the clients have? Like, s3 virge etc?
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| 19:04 | <xdrazen> that is kinda hard to know. i really do not know about what graphic card i have with those clients
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| 19:04 | what happens is that those i3 works
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| 19:05 | the p2 only works with "gpxe"
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| 19:05 | <alkisg> And the clients boot, you see the ubuntu logo, and then you see a black screen?
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| 19:06 | <xdrazen> YES!
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| 19:06 | the last thing that i see is
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| 19:06 | <xdrazen> "saned disabled, edit ///"
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| 19:06 | <alkisg> !quiet
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| 19:06 | <ltsp`> quiet: to enable the Debian kernel and initramfs to show up more messages, in order to better troubleshoot the boot process, remove "quiet" from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 19:06 | <alkisg> !quiet-splash
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| 19:06 | <ltsp`> quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
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| 19:07 | <alkisg> Do what the bot says about quiet-splash ^
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| 19:07 | !screen_02
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| 19:07 | <ltsp`> screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
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| 19:07 | <alkisg> And, put SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf
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| 19:07 | <xdrazen> i tried all of that
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| 19:07 | <alkisg> That way you'll get a shell on the client to troubleshoot the graphics issues, to see the graphics card etc
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| 19:07 | Do you have a shell now?
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| 19:07 | <xdrazen> not even can do that
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| 19:08 | AGAIN, the last thing that i can see is "saned disabled", and then all "stops"
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| 19:08 | <alkisg> If you put SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf, do you get a shell in the i3 clients?
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| 19:08 | <xdrazen> i can ctrl alt supr in the client and it reboots
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| 19:08 | i have not tried that with the i3, in those i3 the login and all that stuf worked nice
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| 19:09 | <alkisg> I want to see if your clients read lts.conf or not
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| 19:09 | <xdrazen> **BTW! i really do not care what will be
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| 19:09 | <alkisg> Can you try it now?
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| 19:09 | <xdrazen> **distro will use
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| 19:09 | <alkisg> Your distro is fine, you might want to update ltsp when you solve the graphics issues later on
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| 19:10 | Try putting the following in lts.conf:
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| 19:10 | [Default]
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| 19:10 | <xdrazen> i would love it, i am on a "mobile 3g" internet conection, and edubuntu was wiped, i installed debian now
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| 19:10 | <alkisg> SCREEN_02=shell
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| 19:10 | SCREEN_07=ldm
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| 19:10 | XSERVER=vesa
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| 19:10 | Then boot a p2 client and an i3 client
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| 19:10 | And tell me if you got a shell in them
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| 19:11 | <xdrazen> **another issue, in the "pentium pro" trying to boot it can have the image, but eventually i guess tat i have "kernel panic"
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| 19:12 | **I will, right now i am very ocupied "cleaning" this place.
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| 19:12 | i came here, because i tried to use the irc client kinda 2am, and this channel was empty
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| 19:12 | <alkisg> xdrazen: you say "I have a problem, I'm using edubuntu, only I wiped it, and now I'm busy and I can't troubleshoot"
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| 19:12 | We can't help you that way, come back when you are ready
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| 19:13 | <xdrazen> i understand that. sorry for this
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| 19:13 | <xdrazen> i mean "ocupied" kinda i only have the e1 laptop now
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| 19:15 | another thing very "strange" is that when those i3 boots, they only has a "385mb" image, but when the p2 boots, it has a "negotiation" and finally i guess that it loads a 512mb image
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| 19:16 | <alkisg> The 512 mb image is the nbd swap
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| 19:19 | <xdrazen> Well, alksig, again, sorry for be "that" upset. I tried to use that in ubuntu, and when i was looking for more info, that black screen was saw a lot of times, tried about that of the shell, but it did not work
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| 19:19 | <alkisg> Maybe you had a syntax error or you put it in the wrong place
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| 19:20 | <xdrazen> Actually i am booting those pp(pentium pro) and p2 with puppy linux". And they work GREAT
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| 19:21 | then i wonder if i could make the ltsp with that puppy linux
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| 19:21 | <alkisg> Which kernel, xorg and DE does it have? Recent ones or 10 year old ones?
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| 19:22 | <xdrazen> Again, i feel really sorry, i wiped the edubuntu and tried to use k12, opensuse (11.4 which is actually outdated), and now looking for debian. Or even gentoo, i really do not care what distro could make the work
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| 19:22 | let me see, booting the p2
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| 19:23 | <alkisg> The problem isn't the distro, is how recent the programs are
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| 19:23 | Recent programs need a lot of ram, older programs need less ram
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| 19:23 | So if e.g. you open firefox and it needs 500 mb ram, it doesn't matter at all which distro you use
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| 19:25 | <xdrazen> i get it
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| 19:25 | <alkisg> ubuntu and debian are fine for your clients, but you need to tune them a bit in lts.conf
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| 19:25 | <xdrazen> well i am booting the pentium pro woth 96mb ram
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| 19:25 | <alkisg> I've booted p2 with 48 mb ram with ltsp + ubuntu or debian
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| 19:26 | <xdrazen> then, it really does not matter?
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| 19:27 | just wonder. I read about that ltsp stop working in ubuntu 10++
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| 19:27 | <alkisg> Where did you read that?
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| 19:27 | <xdrazen> and they got a 8.04 working great
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| 19:27 | ubuntu forums
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| 19:27 | <alkisg> It's working even in 16.04
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| 19:27 | Tell them they're wrong :)
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| 19:28 | <xdrazen> ^^
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| 19:29 | well, then i need a "FAQ" i already read the ltsp documentation
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| 19:30 | <alkisg> !ltsp-pnp
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| 19:30 | <ltsp`> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 19:30 | <xdrazen> 1 with LTSP, the distro that i have in the server, and all those program will be the same than the clients will see. Or could i use ubuntu and that the clients could boot dsl or puppy linux
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| 19:30 | <alkisg> Follow that page with Ubuntu 12.04 because of your client graphics cards
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| 19:30 | Or 14.04 if you plan to upgrade them
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| 19:32 | <xdrazen> cannot upgrade them, kinda now i cannot find any graphic card for them
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| 19:32 | <alkisg> 12.04.1 is the last version that supports XAA graphics drivers
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| 19:33 | Check the graphics cards first
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| 19:33 | Now with puppy, run: lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
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| 19:33 | And paste the result here
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| 19:33 | <xdrazen> right now, i am using "wary puppy 5.5" in those p2 pp
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| 19:33 | kk, it is loading
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| 19:33 | i could even use debian, as i said, i do not care.Waith me pls
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| 19:39 | **the video card in included in the mobo
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| 19:43 | <alkisg> The output of the command?
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| 19:45 | <xdrazen> i am on it
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| 19:45 | what sign is the "l" toghether to grep?
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| 19:45 | i mean that vertical
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| 19:46 | <gehidore> pipe
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| 19:46 | <alkisg> It's the \ with a shift
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| 19:46 | <xdrazen> GOT IT
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| 19:47 | mm it said -nn command not found
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| 19:47 | again
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| 19:48 | it is done, kinda 6 lines
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| 19:49 | cannot copy and paste, it is on another pc
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| 19:50 | well the last 4 lanes are about the ethernet, wich is realtek, etc.
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| 19:51 | 00:08.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: S3 inc.86c375 [ViRGE/DX] or 86c385 [ViRGE/gx] [5333:8a01] (rev 01)
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| 19:52 | the other lanes are of the realtek ethernet controller
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| 19:52 | <alkisg> Hehe, see above what I said about s3 virge :)
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| 19:52 | So yup, install with the 12.04.1 cd and follow the ltsp-pnp page
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| 19:53 | Use the newest 12.04.5 kernel but the older 12.04.1 graphics stack
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| 19:53 | So that both the i3 and the older ones are supported from the same image
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| 19:53 | <xdrazen> kinda that i need the 12.04 graphics drives, right?
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| 19:54 | edubuntu 12.04? or only ubuntu?
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| 19:54 | Thanks a lot ^^
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| 19:55 | i do not have a good internet conection, then would be better a ubuntu install and then "sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone" right?
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| 19:55 | <alkisg> Use this cd to install: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.1/ubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso
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| 19:55 | The ltsp-pnp method does not need a chroot
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| 19:56 | So you don't need to download again .deb packages etc
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| 19:56 | But if you start with 12.04.1, you need 500 mb updates :D
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| 19:56 | You can also start with 12.04.5 and downgrade to the older kernel, but it's difficult
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| 19:58 | <xdrazen> no, i do not care about that update. it is not so expensive in the night
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| 19:59 | ^^ i will in the night, now is very hard to download
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| 20:00 | about it, again, it is better to download ubuntu or edubuntu? and about the gui, would be better the xfce lxde gnome unity kde?¿
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| 20:00 | <alkisg> That iso ^ is ubuntu, it's fine
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| 20:00 | You can use gnome-flashback there, it works OK
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| 20:04 | <xdrazen> then, again "sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone" right?
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| 20:04 | <alkisg> No, read the wiki page
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| 20:04 | Follow the instructions from the wiki
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| 20:04 | !ltsp-pnp
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| 20:04 | <ltsp`> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 20:05 | <xdrazen> ok, i will. Thanks a lot again, i must got and look for the isp
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| 20:05 | <alkisg> Goodbye
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| 20:06 | <xdrazen> just one las question
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| 20:07 | should the clients be formatted for have an swap?
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| 20:07 | <alkisg> It's not necessary, the'll get a swap from the network if they don't have local swap
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| 20:07 | Do you have gigabit connection from the server to the switch?
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| 20:08 | <xdrazen> yes, i have it, kinda:
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| 20:08 | the server is gigabit and the swithc is 100mb/gigabit
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| 20:08 | <alkisg> The switch has 1 gigabit port ?
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| 20:09 | <xdrazen> lf it
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| 20:09 | the swtich has 10/100 mbit
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| 20:10 | <alkisg> Then you don't have gigabit
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| 20:10 | LTSP will be slow for you
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| 20:10 | <xdrazen> well, i will do it in the night and try to do exactly what wiki says
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| 20:11 | <alkisg> If you don't have a switch it'll be slow, stick with puppy and forget ltsp
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| 20:11 | <xdrazen> i tried it with those i3 computers
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| 20:11 | and they run sweet
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| 20:11 | btw
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| 20:12 | how could i donate?... i will be back in the night, do what wikis says
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| 20:12 | <alkisg> One computer runs fine, yes. 10, no.
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| 20:12 | <xdrazen> i need a gigabit switch, right?
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| 20:12 | <alkisg> Keep the donation money to buy a switch with at least 1 gigabit port, it costs 50€ :)
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| 20:12 | <vagrantc> doesn't ubuntu 12.04 go out of support in a few months?
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| 20:12 | <xdrazen> ^^ tx
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| 20:13 | i am not sure
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| 20:13 | <alkisg> Yes, but he has clients that need XAA
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| 20:13 | <xdrazen> lts i guess that it is 5years
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| 20:13 | <alkisg> He'll at least have firefox 42 with it
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| 20:13 | <xdrazen> i read something about the same in debian
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| 20:13 | ^^ thanks thanks :D!
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| 20:13 | see you later, thanks
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| 20:13 | <alkisg> bye
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| 20:18 | <vagrantc> some people make it really difficult to help them.
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| 20:19 | * gehidore always does too | |
| 20:19 | <vagrantc> "never mind what you asked me to do, let me repeat the thing i've been saying for the 10th time!"
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| 20:19 | <alkisg> :)
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| 20:20 | I think we need to pay a visit to the ubuntu forums and tell them that ltsp isn't dead etc...
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| 20:20 | unrelated: some recent DEs won't login properly without ldm r1586, for example unity, gnome-flashback etc in ubuntu 16.04
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| 20:21 | They'll show a desktop without the menus etc, due to broken XDG_MENU_PREFIX
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| 20:22 | It might even affect recent gnome versions on debian, dunno
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| 20:23 | <vagrantc> alkisg: is r1586 before or after ldm 2.2.17 ?
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| 20:24 | <alkisg> Yesterday's work
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| 20:24 | <vagrantc> oh!
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| 20:24 | <alkisg> So a new ldm needs to reach 16.04 in order for users to be able to login
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| 20:24 | Unfortunately we only have 2 commits after 2.2.17... :D
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| 20:25 | <vagrantc> 2 commits that seem of vital importance!
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| 20:25 | could either patch them in the packaging, or roll a new upstream version...
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